Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 01/26/2015 10:57 PM, Meade Anderson wrote:
A stretched out old sock (or two) works wonders...can be stretched 
over the seat, used as a glove for putting a chain back on, loose 
tools can be dropped into it to keep them together and from rattling.  
I usually have one with me and always have a couple for padding with 
my Bike Friday when packing and traveling.  (Cheap cotton gloves also 
help deal with greasy chains when pulling wheels, etc...




I'm sure it will.  However, it won't protect the computer mounted on 
your stem or handlebars, and it won't keep your brifter hoods from being 
messed up either (not an issue for either one of us, but a big problem 
for many riders).  Sure, you could carry a blanket with you to protect 
the entire handlebar area -- and it'd come in right handy for picnics, 
too -- but all in all, it's easier to learn how to remove wheels without 
turning the bike upside down.



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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Jim M.
But what if you have a child in a bike seat? If you turn the bike over, 
you'll give the kid a concussion.

I blame winter storm Juno.

jim m
wc ca 

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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread RJM
Those quarter turn garmin units are so easy to take off and put back on. ;)
 
I still flip though about half the time...the other half I lay the bike 
down on the side. 
 
 
But I never lay the bike down on the drive side. I learned that after 
having bent a derailer hangar. 
 
 

On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:13:27 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 01/27/2015 12:06 PM, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Find patch of grass or comparable soft ground 

 Flip bike

 Repair flat

 Ride

 On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 10:29:32 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: 

  I think it's safe to say bike-flipping for the average owner of a 
 pretty-nice-bike is not a viable option.


 Resting the weight of a bike on top of a computer or cell phone or GPS 
 unit simply isn't a viable option whether it's on grass or dirt.




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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Jim Bronson
If you want to lay the bike on the side, having a large saddlebag such
as I have on my Custom (Nelson Longflap) also helps because it seems
that the bike will balance itself on it's side between the bag, pedals
and handlebars holding it up.   This approach works better on uneven
ground.

Otherwise, I'll refer to my prior answer.

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:26 PM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Those quarter turn garmin units are so easy to take off and put back on. ;)

 I still flip though about half the time...the other half I lay the bike down
 on the side.


 But I never lay the bike down on the drive side. I learned that after having
 bent a derailer hangar.



 On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:13:27 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 01/27/2015 12:06 PM, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Find patch of grass or comparable soft ground

 Flip bike

 Repair flat

 Ride

 On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 10:29:32 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:

 I think it's safe to say bike-flipping for the average owner of a
 pretty-nice-bike is not a viable option.


 Resting the weight of a bike on top of a computer or cell phone or GPS
 unit simply isn't a viable option whether it's on grass or dirt.


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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Jim Bronson
I'll flip my bike over any day and twice on Sunday.  I just put
something under the saddle so it doesn't get scratched up.

That being said, many times on brevets someone just holds it while you
change the tire, I have done that recently for a fellow Rivendell
owner as well.



On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think it's safe to say bike-flipping for the average owner of a
 pretty-nice-bike is not a viable option. The folks at Riv have an almost
 militant disinterest in caring about scratches and whatnot on their
 beautiful bicycles, but dropping a nice saddle/grips/tape/levers/bars on the
 ground would...well, I just don't think I could talk myself into it.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


 On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-8, EGNolan wrote:

 I haven't changed a flat of my own for a while...knock on the wood, but
 when in the city (the bulk of my rides) I use a kickstand + pedal on the
 curb combo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ericgnolan/8053813850/

 Best,
 Eric

 On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 5:49:03 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

 Scratches your leather saddle to turn the bike upside down.

 In light of the Blog post about this, I figured I would ask you leather
 users how you prevent the scratching from happening. Any convenient ideas?


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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 01/27/2015 04:00 PM, Jim M. wrote:
But what if you have a child in a bike seat? If you turn the bike 
over, you'll give the kid a concussion.


You'd think you'd notice the presence of the child when you were 
dismounting...



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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Tim Gavin
I was gonna say ask the child to hold up the bike while you change the
wheel.  But, a child small enough to put in a seat on the bike is probably
unreliable as a maintenance assistant.

:)

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On 01/27/2015 04:00 PM, Jim M. wrote:

 But what if you have a child in a bike seat? If you turn the bike over,
 you'll give the kid a concussion.


 You'd think you'd notice the presence of the child when you were
 dismounting...


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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Geoffrey
No need to flip a bike IMO

On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 6:44:33 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:

 not me, the only time I've ever flipped my bike has been indoors on the 
 carpet

 On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 8:07:40 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Wait, y'all flip your bikes upside down to change a tire?

 On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:06 PM, BSWP asht...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not if you run M-bars or Albastaches...or anything besides drops with 
 non-aero levers. Just saying...

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 5:49:03 PM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another reason why this is, in my book, a faux pas (sorry Willard!) 
 is- if you're running retrogrouch-approved non-aero brakes, you'll put 
 that awful crimp in the cables. 

 A notable example of this crime-in-progress from BITD appears on the 
 cover of Richard's Bicycle Book, IIRC! 
 =- Joe Bunik 
 Walnut Creek, CA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Richard Rios
When a problem comes along you must flip it...flip it good..da Da Da da dunt 
dun dun. Now flip good!

Devos's advice has always worked for me.

but all the other ideas seem good too, as long as the flat gets fixed...

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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch
Flipping a bike over makes it much harder and clumsier to remove the rear 
wheel, which is the only wheel that is pertinent, since if it's the front 
wheel, it's easy to figure out how to manage the bike without flipping it.  
I can have a wheel out, and the tube out, before you can finish even 
flipping the bike over and fiddling the wheel out the wrong direction. 

Dropping a nice bike upside down onto its saddle and levers and bar 
tape gives me chills and shakes.  Yuck.  I can almost always find a sign, 
or a fence, or a branch to hook my saddle onto, or a bush to lean the 
bike against.  If none of the above, then I remove the wheel, and gently 
lay the bike on its non-drive side.  Upside down?  Eww.  Suitable for 
Stingrays and eleven-year-olds, forty-six years ago.

~Peter

   

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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Ron Mc
not me, the only time I've ever flipped my bike has been indoors on the 
carpet

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 8:07:40 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wait, y'all flip your bikes upside down to change a tire?

 On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:06 PM, BSWP asht...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Not if you run M-bars or Albastaches...or anything besides drops with 
 non-aero levers. Just saying...

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 5:49:03 PM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another reason why this is, in my book, a faux pas (sorry Willard!) 
 is- if you're running retrogrouch-approved non-aero brakes, you'll put 
 that awful crimp in the cables. 

 A notable example of this crime-in-progress from BITD appears on the 
 cover of Richard's Bicycle Book, IIRC! 
 =- Joe Bunik 
 Walnut Creek, CA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 01/27/2015 12:06 PM, Mark Reimer wrote:

Find patch of grass or comparable soft ground

Flip bike

Repair flat

Ride

On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 10:29:32 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:

I think it's safe to say bike-flipping for the average owner of a
pretty-nice-bike is not a viable option.



Resting the weight of a bike on top of a computer or cell phone or GPS 
unit simply isn't a viable option whether it's on grass or dirt.



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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Mark Reimer
Huh? Am I missing something? Who suggested resting your bike on a cell
phone?!

I flip all my bikes, and they are all very nice. It doesn't hurt anything
if you're careful and don't rest your nice leather saddles on something
overly abrasive. I never thought it was weird to flip your bike - seems
like everyone I know does it that way.

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

  On 01/27/2015 12:06 PM, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Find patch of grass or comparable soft ground

  Flip bike

  Repair flat

  Ride

 On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 10:29:32 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:

  I think it's safe to say bike-flipping for the average owner of a
 pretty-nice-bike is not a viable option.


 Resting the weight of a bike on top of a computer or cell phone or GPS
 unit simply isn't a viable option whether it's on grass or dirt.


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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 01/27/2015 12:15 PM, Mark Reimer wrote:
Huh? Am I missing something? Who suggested resting your bike on a cell 
phone?!


You are missing all the people who mount their cell phones on top of 
their stems and use them instead of GPS units or computers for 
navigation, like this:






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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-27 Thread Mark Reimer
Yes, what John said, yeesh!!

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:36 AM, John Phillips jphillip...@icloud.com
wrote:

 Please people, if this method won't work for your bike, or if you can't
 remember to remove electronics from your handle bars, or if you can't find
 a good place to flip your bike, just don't flip the bike!

 No one says you have to do it!

 Nuff said!

 It's a good video, and I believe Grant thinks people are smart enough not
 to flip when it's not a good idea!

 John

 On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 2:49:03 PM UTC-8, lungimsam wrote:

 Scratches your leather saddle to turn the bike upside down.

 In light of the Blog post about this, I figured I would ask you leather
 users how you prevent the scratching from happening. Any convenient ideas?


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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-26 Thread cyclotourist
Wait, y'all flip your bikes upside down to change a tire?

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:06 PM, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not if you run M-bars or Albastaches...or anything besides drops with
 non-aero levers. Just saying...

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 5:49:03 PM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another reason why this is, in my book, a faux pas (sorry Willard!)
 is- if you're running retrogrouch-approved non-aero brakes, you'll put
 that awful crimp in the cables.

 A notable example of this crime-in-progress from BITD appears on the
 cover of Richard's Bicycle Book, IIRC!
 =- Joe Bunik
 Walnut Creek, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-26 Thread BSWP
Not if you run M-bars or Albastaches...or anything besides drops with 
non-aero levers. Just saying...

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 5:49:03 PM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another reason why this is, in my book, a faux pas (sorry Willard!) 
 is- if you're running retrogrouch-approved non-aero brakes, you'll put 
 that awful crimp in the cables. 

 A notable example of this crime-in-progress from BITD appears on the 
 cover of Richard's Bicycle Book, IIRC! 
 =- Joe Bunik 
 Walnut Creek, CA 



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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-26 Thread cyclotourist
Oh yes, there is quite the flipper/layer-downer cleavage in the bike
community.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:28 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net
wrote:


 Wow, I've always been a bike flipper. Since long before I heard of
 Bridgestone. And here yet again, is a Riv Blug telling me, hey, you're
 OK. (I actually never knew there was a possible controversy. I've been a
 bike nerd all this time and haven't known it!)
 Go P-style and relax. Nice, relaxing quote for the day.


 On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:07 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

 Wait, y'all flip your bikes upside down to change a tire?

 On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:06 PM, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not if you run M-bars or Albastaches...or anything besides drops with
 non-aero levers. Just saying...

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 5:49:03 PM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another reason why this is, in my book, a faux pas (sorry Willard!)
 is- if you're running retrogrouch-approved non-aero brakes, you'll put
 that awful crimp in the cables.

 A notable example of this crime-in-progress from BITD appears on the
 cover of Richard's Bicycle Book, IIRC!
 =- Joe Bunik
 Walnut Creek, CA


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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Uh, no. I put the world on top of my seat. Phew! That's why I'm so glad I 
don't have flats!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 7:07:40 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wait, y'all flip your bikes upside down to change a tire?


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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-26 Thread James Warren

Wow, I've always been a bike flipper. Since long before I heard of Bridgestone. 
And here yet again, is a Riv Blug telling me, hey, you're OK. (I actually 
never knew there was a possible controversy. I've been a bike nerd all this 
time and haven't known it!)
Go P-style and relax. Nice, relaxing quote for the day.


On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:07 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

 Wait, y'all flip your bikes upside down to change a tire?
 
 On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:06 PM, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote:
 Not if you run M-bars or Albastaches...or anything besides drops with 
 non-aero levers. Just saying...
 
 - Andrew, Berkeley
 
 On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 5:49:03 PM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Another reason why this is, in my book, a faux pas (sorry Willard!) 
 is- if you're running retrogrouch-approved non-aero brakes, you'll put 
 that awful crimp in the cables. 
 
 A notable example of this crime-in-progress from BITD appears on the 
 cover of Richard's Bicycle Book, IIRC! 
 =- Joe Bunik 
 Walnut Creek, CA 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-26 Thread Joe Bunik
Another reason why this is, in my book, a faux pas (sorry Willard!)
is- if you're running retrogrouch-approved non-aero brakes, you'll put
that awful crimp in the cables.

A notable example of this crime-in-progress from BITD appears on the
cover of Richard's Bicycle Book, IIRC!
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 1/26/15, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote:
 Of course, if your bike has a double kickstand (one of mine does), none of
 this is necessary because you can just leave the bike on the kickstand and
 change either wheel. If the rear wheel is flat and the rear of the bike is
 heavily loaded, you might have to toss some stuff on the handlebars to
 weigh them down. For most everyday loads, just removing a wheel is enough
 to change the balance to the other wheel. Nothing could be easier.

 Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-26 Thread cyclotourist
Typical road-side repair:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/14137916598

Road-side repair with option bike repair stand:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8649157039

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:58 PM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote:

 I keep a round bootlace in my kit, actually tying the waxed canvas wrap
 for my tools to prevent rattling. If roadside repair is needed, I tie it in
 a loop and snag something to suspend my bike by the saddle nose with it.
 Amazing what you'll com e up with and the peculiarity of scale that
 actually works;  a fence, a mailbox, the lowest foot peg on a utility pole
 (or even the nailed-on plate identifying the pole's providence).

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh


 On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 5:49:03 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

 Scratches your leather saddle to turn the bike upside down.

 In light of the Blog post about this, I figured I would ask you leather
 users how you prevent the scratching from happening. Any convenient ideas?


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RE: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-26 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
In lieu of towel, try Riv-style large bandanna.  Saves mission-critical grams!

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

double kickstands are wonderful - whichever wheel is off is automatically up in 
the air

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 5:01:45 PM UTC-6, 
cyclot...@gmail.commailto:cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
Always bring a towel.

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 2:58:08 PM UTC-8, RJM wrote:
When I get a flat I generally flip the bike but I don't do anything to prevent 
scratches to the brooks saddle. Once it's scratched, the fear of scratching it 
goes away. I suppose putting a towel down would help, or flip it in the grass.

On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 4:49:03 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:
Scratches your leather saddle to turn the bike upside down.

In light of the Blog post about this, I figured I would ask you leather users 
how you prevent the scratching from happening. Any convenient ideas?


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Re: [RBW] Re: One drawback to flippin' your bike for roadside repair.

2015-01-26 Thread Eric Norris
I carry my tools, tube, etc., rolled up in a piece of canvas. I don’t usually 
turn the bike upside down, but if I did I would put the canvas on the ground 
under the seat.

Rivendell used to sell canvas squares, but I don’t see them on the web site 
now. I bought some old canvas mailbags at the UC Davis surplus store a couple 
of years ago, and I’m still well-supplied with great, used canvas.

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 On Jan 26, 2015, at 2:58 PM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 When I get a flat I generally flip the bike but I don't do anything to 
 prevent scratches to the brooks saddle. Once it's scratched, the fear of 
 scratching it goes away. I suppose putting a towel down would help, or flip 
 it in the grass. 
 
 On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 4:49:03 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:
 Scratches your leather saddle to turn the bike upside down.
 
 In light of the Blog post about this, I figured I would ask you leather users 
 how you prevent the scratching from happening. Any convenient ideas?
 
 
 
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