Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-06 Thread William 
Patrick.  Let me know if you desperately want my 56cm RB-1.  The only 
non-stock items are the handlebar tape, chain and the tires.  It's a 1992, 
so no 'gd fender' braze ons.  It's living in Illinois, so it would take 
some doing to get you connected with it, but again, if you're truly 
motivated, things can be done.  

Sheldon has the full 1992 catalog for you to peruse.  
http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1992/1992.pdf

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-06 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Here are the numbers for a 1993 RB1:

http://yojimg.net/bike/equipment/bikes/rb1_geo.php

and for the Roadeo:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0

The 57 cm Roadeo would fit me perfectly ...

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Ely Rodriguez  wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> Happy New Years!
> I wonder what the geometry and tubing differences are between the two?
> I've always liked my RB-1's, my fastest brevet was on one.
> Does anyone know the tubing specs?
> Ely
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-05 Thread Seth Vidal 
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Thanks for all the replies, suggestions and offers of various bikes (too
> poor for the nonce to buy one). I like the old racing bike idea and,
> actually, before I bought the Herse, had thought of priddying up the '73
> Motobecane that I in fact sold to Eric Norris of this list -- light, toute
> 531 leger and nice handling with long stays and nimble front. Which brings
> me full circle to the original thread: I rather regret now (20 years after
> the fact) selling my 1989, Sante equipped all 531C Falcon: shitty,
> Britain-in-industrial-decline paint job and wheels and tasteless Sante
> powdercoat, but a nice, long-stayed, short front-center frame that would
> have made a very decent gofast with some decent wheels and properly set up.
>


RB's
RB2:
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/2776927409.html

RB1:
http://providence.craigslist.org/bik/2767749207.html


Not sure on the sizes - just what craigslist tells me.

No affiliation at all.

-sv



>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William  wrote:
>>
>> Responding to Patricks original post.
>>
>> I filled that description with a 1984 Trek 770.  It features standard
>> diameter 531 tubing, and takes 28s (Roly-Poly).  I bought the complete bike
>> from the original owner for $600.  I then parted out the Campagnolo Super
>> Record stuff through the regular channels.  At the moment my running total
>> has me owning the frame/fork/headset/saddle/wheelset/handlebar for a total
>> outlay of $25.  It takes 28s and doesn't even hint at racks or fenders,
>> because it has no brazeons.  I'm supremely happy with it.  It's got a 2x7
>> compact double drivetrain on it now, and I will be using it on brevets this
>> year.  I've even got it set up with a decaleur and have ridden it with a
>> sizeable handlebar bag, despite the guarantees that such a setup is
>> absolutely unrideable.
>>
>> As willing as you've demonstrated yourself to be in parting things out, I
>> think this route could be fruitful for you as well.  There are good
>> geo-charts available for both Trek and Bridgestone online, so you could buy
>> off craigslist without having to ask a bunch of sizing minutia from your
>> seller.
>>
>> I keep a 1992 RB1 at a family vacation home in the midwest as well.  No
>> need for compact double out in the cornfields.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-05 Thread Kelly Sleeper 
Actually it was relating to the subject line.. ROADEO or RBI.. then when the 
Roadeo is suggested it is treated as being no different than an 80's whatever.  
I disagree with that and that you get the Rivendell ride from all of those 
bikes.
Not a matter of anger or being snarky, just thought it was funny.   I've seen 
my wife and she had the xtralight Merlin, and a Lemond.  Both sat there and 
were  never ridden after she got the Rodeo.  Eventually she sold the Merlin 
extralite.
Every review I've seen on the Roadeo from other owners on here has been very 
positive.The few short rides I've had on the Roadeo have been impressive.  
Just wish they made won big enough for me.   
Considering is a "swiss army knife" no different than an 80's trek or just an 
over priced steel wannabe is ok.. just surprising since we are in a Rivendell 
forum.  Figured some other owners would have spoke up.

Patrick, yes I took it as baiting and didn't think you were serious about 
wanting an honest review or thought as you've read the same posts and more as I 
have.  I also know that how a bike feels to me may not be the same as it will 
feel for you.
Just as I don't believe a long haul trucker rides the same as an atlantis.  For 
me it's a fact I've ridden them side by side... other disagree.  Take the 
silver brakes off and put on a dura-ace group, thread less headset and 700x25 
tires and go.
Bicycle magazine indicated they didn't think the roadeo was smooth enough when 
they made the tires hard instead of the pressure that was recommended.  

So as much as I enjoy your posts about your trikes and other bikes and such.. 
yes this one felt like a bait people into giving information that you had no 
intention of using.  Since you already had the information about the Roadeo 
posted on here many times with outside reviews that you've read.
With the large list of objections and reasons and price to not own a Roadeo why 
ask about it even?  That was my perspective on it.  So ya baiting and funny.. 
not a slam on you.. just an observation. 

Sure as heck not a word in anger.. see all of this typing to say what I said in 
what a sentence.. :)   When I bought my AHH I took a 14 hour round trip drive 
to ride one before ordering.  I don't care if GOD himself said it road great I 
wasn't spending that kind of money without riding it.
I'm glad the Country Bike Shop was there or I would have ended up flying to 
California to ride one first.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 16:07 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> But ahhh, the thrill of it! No, the '99 was built as a fixie and the
> '03 was converted by Dave Porter. I want to keep the '03 as a
> commuter/errand bike (since 2/3 of my riding is that sort) because it
> has rack and fender braze ons, but perhaps I can convert the '99 to
> rear gears. Unless I convert it into a trike ...
> 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmZp8pR1uc&ob=av2e  Amy's singing your
song, Patrick...



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
But ahhh, the thrill of it! No, the '99 was built as a fixie and the '03
was converted by Dave Porter. I want to keep the '03 as a commuter/errand
bike (since 2/3 of my riding is that sort) because it has rack and fender
braze ons, but perhaps I can convert the '99 to rear gears. Unless I
convert it into a trike ...

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:42 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> > Gears and coasting!
>
> Seems to me I recall they came from the Maker equipped with both, until
> some Vandal took a dremel to them and ground off the fittings.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:42 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Gears and coasting!

Seems to me I recall they came from the Maker equipped with both, until
some Vandal took a dremel to them and ground off the fittings.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Gears and coasting!

Patrick "otherwise mum forthwith on this topic" Moore

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> >
> > I suppose my questions were rather too particular for me to reasonably
> > expect clear replies from everyone, but on the other hand I myself do
> > have very clear ideas about how the various bikes I've ridden differ
> > in handling from my two later customs (they are Rivs, as most of you
> > know) which are my benchmarks for bike handling comparisons. I can say
> > in detail how, for example, the Herse, Sam Hill and Motobecane handled
> > differently.
>
> What could a Roadeo give you that your two custom Rivs don't already do?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> 
> I suppose my questions were rather too particular for me to reasonably
> expect clear replies from everyone, but on the other hand I myself do
> have very clear ideas about how the various bikes I've ridden differ
> in handling from my two later customs (they are Rivs, as most of you
> know) which are my benchmarks for bike handling comparisons. I can say
> in detail how, for example, the Herse, Sam Hill and Motobecane handled
> differently. 

What could a Roadeo give you that your two custom Rivs don't already do?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread William 
Patrick

>From my perspective the discussion went sideways because your position came 
off as:

A Roadeo costs >$4k
I will not spend that much
I want a used racing bike
I challenge you to convince me that a used racing bike is guaranteed to 
make me unhappy in the ways that a $4k new Roadeo is guaranteed to make me 
happy
Anything about tire clearance fenders, aesthetics, construction quality are 
explicitly off-limits 

That might not be a fair restatement of your intent, but it is a truthful 
summary of my perception of your position.  I didn't engage because it 
looked to me like a rhetorical trap.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Thanks for all the replies. I am by turns hurt, angered and amused (and
edified) by turn this discussion took and the various responses to what was
probably indeed rather naively particular questions, and I will respond
with my own resolution to adopt Eric Platt's very worthy new year's
resolution, to wag more and bark less.

I suppose my questions were rather too particular for me to reasonably
expect clear replies from everyone, but on the other hand I myself do have
very clear ideas about how the various bikes I've ridden differ in handling
from my two later customs (they are Rivs, as most of you know) which are my
benchmarks for bike handling comparisons. I can say in detail how, for
example, the Herse, Sam Hill and Motobecane handled differently.

I suppose that the reasonable option, right now at any rate, is to get the
necessary clamp on bits to add to my Joe gofast fixie and make it into a
gearie; all the more in that I won't need more than one chainring. Or maybe
not ...

As for the Roadeo, the only possibility right now, anyway, is to have
listmember Ryan Watson buy it, dislike it, and sell it to me at a steep
discount.

Happy new year to all from Patrick Moore who promises to analyze less and
ride more in 2012.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:58 PM, dpco  wrote:

> Patrick,
> I can't justify the cost of a new Roadeo to you, but I can explain my
> opinions regarding my feelings about the Roadeo being a dramatic
> improvement over the 531/sl frames of the past. By the way, I still own a
> Basso Loto SLX frameset. First, the my Roadeo frameset is lighter than my
> Basso frameset.
> Second, my Roadeo is much more stable on high speed turns( especially on
> ruff surface). Third, I have experienced shimmy on my Basso( the frame has
> very little lateral stiffness). With the modern large diameter, thin walled
> steel tubes, the Roadeo is very stiff laterally( no shimmy, whatsoever).
> However, the frameset still has the vertical springy,steel feeling. And
> this is with a fairly, stiff fork. Some people will not feel these
> differences, but to me, I notice this immediately. This may not justify the
> cost difference, but to me it was worth it. "To each its own"
> Don C.
>
> On Tuesday, January 3, 2012 6:59:01 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> OK: That's what I want to hear. Please give reasons -- details: handling,
>> fit, comfort etc. -- as to why one might want to pay $4K minimum for a
>> Roadeo compared to half or less for a nice, high end but old road bike like
>> some of those mentioned.
>>
>> I love my customs' handling; the handling of the Sam Hill was
>> disappointing; the Herse fit like my customs but didn't handle quite as
>> well (tho' that may be due to my preference for higher trail); the '73
>> Motobecane was lighter, uglier and handled almost as well as the customs
>> and fit not quite as well. The Falcon would probably have been a
>> wonderfully fitting and handling bike if I had known (thanks to Grant's
>> intervention) how to set it up. The Calfees and Treks and RB1s have been
>> praised for their handling and fit.
>>
>> So please give details about why the Roadeo is the unquestioned
>> reasonable choice.
>>
>> I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I
>> interested (for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or
>> cosmetic details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>>
>>> Unless its just to save money I don't believe the older race bike are
>>> equal or even close substitute for the Roadeo.  My opinion of course..
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread dpco 
Patrick,
I can't justify the cost of a new Roadeo to you, but I can explain my 
opinions regarding my feelings about the Roadeo being a dramatic 
improvement over the 531/sl frames of the past. By the way, I still own a 
Basso Loto SLX frameset. First, the my Roadeo frameset is lighter than my 
Basso frameset.
Second, my Roadeo is much more stable on high speed turns( especially on 
ruff surface). Third, I have experienced shimmy on my Basso( the frame has 
very little lateral stiffness). With the modern large diameter, thin walled 
steel tubes, the Roadeo is very stiff laterally( no shimmy, whatsoever). 
However, the frameset still has the vertical springy,steel feeling. And 
this is with a fairly, stiff fork. Some people will not feel these 
differences, but to me, I notice this immediately. This may not justify the 
cost difference, but to me it was worth it. "To each its own"
Don C.

On Tuesday, January 3, 2012 6:59:01 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> OK: That's what I want to hear. Please give reasons -- details: handling, 
> fit, comfort etc. -- as to why one might want to pay $4K minimum for a 
> Roadeo compared to half or less for a nice, high end but old road bike like 
> some of those mentioned.
>
> I love my customs' handling; the handling of the Sam Hill was 
> disappointing; the Herse fit like my customs but didn't handle quite as 
> well (tho' that may be due to my preference for higher trail); the '73 
> Motobecane was lighter, uglier and handled almost as well as the customs 
> and fit not quite as well. The Falcon would probably have been a 
> wonderfully fitting and handling bike if I had known (thanks to Grant's 
> intervention) how to set it up. The Calfees and Treks and RB1s have been 
> praised for their handling and fit.
>
> So please give details about why the Roadeo is the unquestioned reasonable 
> choice.
>
> I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I 
> interested (for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or 
> cosmetic details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>
>> Unless its just to save money I don't believe the older race bike are 
>> equal or even close substitute for the Roadeo.  My opinion of course..
>>
>> Kelly
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread Joe Bernard 
And Patrick knows darn well that it's the dead of winter; full of holiday 
stress and not enough riding; and thus the perfect time to throw a little 
bait to a frustrated pack of riders. The boy ain't stupid. ;-)

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RE: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J 
Best to consider the source in evaluating a comment or remark.  Patrick is a 
(rightly) respected member of this group (Kelly, too, for that matter); to me, 
at least, that would argue for opting for the more constructive of two 
competing interpretations.

But there's a world of difference between modestly edgy comments (perfectly 
acceptable to me, including a comment that one doesn't care how tubes are 
connected) and the sort of flaming which is blessedly absent from this forum.  
I think we mostly know it when we see it.


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Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

I think coming to the Riv forum to state you don't care about how the tubes are 
connected; or how good it looks; is ever so slightly "baiting". The fact that 
the Roadeo is meticulously designed, built, painted, and ends up gorgeous..is 
at least half of what you're paying for. Nobody buys a Rivendell simply because 
it "handles better".

Joe "I should buy one" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread Tim Whalen 
Patrick,

I can well understand your desire to get the "right" bike and spend no more
than the "right" amount of money doing so.  Perhaps though your question is
moving into a kind of bicycle metaphysics where there really is no
completely rational way of deciding?  That being said (asked?) I'll try to
help with my own completely subjective Roadeo experience.  ;-)

Subjectively then:  My Roadeo's ride is somehow more energetic/responsive
than a Rambouillet's, and I love that ride too.  It's a beautiful bike,
feels great to ride, and I wouldn't be too fast to discount those wider
tires either.  I ride mine sometimes with 35'ish xc tires on the packed
dirt Santa Fe trail and it's a fast blast.  I bet you might find the same
on the Bosque.

Plus I imagine you could always sell it just fine.  This being the Riv
forum, maybe the useful philosophical question for you is isn't life too
short not to try this end of the Rivendell bicycle spectrum?

Good luck with your excellent quandary!
Tim Whalen

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:46 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Ah, I get it: mine came across as denying the superiority of the Roadeo
> with the various models listed as counter examples. Sorry; I merely wanted
> Kelly to be more clear about his reasons.
>
> I've long thought of a Roadeo but the cost also makes me wonder if it is
> really so much better than RB1, Calfee, etc etc etc (all used), or for that
> matter a, say, new Dave Porter.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:31 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
>> I'm puzzled: baiting? Not the slightest intention of doing that. I do
>> want to know why Roadeo owners prefer that bike to other road bikes.
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote:
>>
>>> Well then Patrick maybe you should try the ugly bike fitness forum.  I'm
>>> sorry last I looked I was in a Rivendell owners forums where Riv's need not
>>> be defended.   Really you think anyone else on here can give you a review
>>> of how a Roadeo will fit you?  Do you really think a 20lb bike is too heavy
>>> for you 28mm tires?
>>>
>>> Consider your baiting a success.. and thanks for the laugh.. :)
>>>
>>> Happy New Year
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Ah, I get it: mine came across as denying the superiority of the Roadeo
with the various models listed as counter examples. Sorry; I merely wanted
Kelly to be more clear about his reasons.

I've long thought of a Roadeo but the cost also makes me wonder if it is
really so much better than RB1, Calfee, etc etc etc (all used), or for that
matter a, say, new Dave Porter.


On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:31 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I'm puzzled: baiting? Not the slightest intention of doing that. I do want
> to know why Roadeo owners prefer that bike to other road bikes.
>
> Anyone?
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote:
>
>> Well then Patrick maybe you should try the ugly bike fitness forum.  I'm
>> sorry last I looked I was in a Rivendell owners forums where Riv's need not
>> be defended.   Really you think anyone else on here can give you a review
>> of how a Roadeo will fit you?  Do you really think a 20lb bike is too heavy
>> for you 28mm tires?
>>
>> Consider your baiting a success.. and thanks for the laugh.. :)
>>
>> Happy New Year
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
I'm puzzled: baiting? Not the slightest intention of doing that. I do want
to know why Roadeo owners prefer that bike to other road bikes.

Anyone?

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

> Well then Patrick maybe you should try the ugly bike fitness forum.  I'm
> sorry last I looked I was in a Rivendell owners forums where Riv's need not
> be defended.   Really you think anyone else on here can give you a review
> of how a Roadeo will fit you?  Do you really think a 20lb bike is too heavy
> for you 28mm tires?
>
> Consider your baiting a success.. and thanks for the laugh.. :)
>
> Happy New Year
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread newenglandbike 
"I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I 
interested (for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or 
cosmetic details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling."

In that case you should just get early 80's Centurion LeMans, Raliegh 
Comp., Nishiki International, Panasonic, or similar for like half what you 
will pay for the RB1.   Great bikes.  There are plenty of bikes just as 
good if not better than an RB1 in the above respects, without the RB1's 
attendant cache & price tag (which is in no small part due to the 
subsequent success of Rivendell).   Not to downplay Bridgestone-   cool 
catalogs, innovative ideas (but the RB1 was not one of them).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-04 Thread Joe Bernard 
I vote for the Roadeo because Kelly's right, this is a Rivendell forum; and 
they're totally bitchin. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-03 Thread Kelly Sleeper 
Well then Patrick maybe you should try the ugly bike fitness forum.  I'm sorry 
last I looked I was in a Rivendell owners forums where Riv's need not be 
defended.   Really you think anyone else on here can give you a review of how a 
Roadeo will fit you?  Do you really think a 20lb bike is too heavy for you 28mm 
tires? 

Consider your baiting a success.. and thanks for the laugh.. :)

Happy New Year

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-03 Thread William 
He should just buy my Trek (or my RB1) so I can get a Roadeo.  :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-03 Thread James Warren 

Well, this decides it for you then: RB1.


On Jan 3, 2012, at 6:59 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

> I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I interested 
> (for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or cosmetic 
> details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-03 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
OK: That's what I want to hear. Please give reasons -- details: handling,
fit, comfort etc. -- as to why one might want to pay $4K minimum for a
Roadeo compared to half or less for a nice, high end but old road bike like
some of those mentioned.

I love my customs' handling; the handling of the Sam Hill was
disappointing; the Herse fit like my customs but didn't handle quite as
well (tho' that may be due to my preference for higher trail); the '73
Motobecane was lighter, uglier and handled almost as well as the customs
and fit not quite as well. The Falcon would probably have been a
wonderfully fitting and handling bike if I had known (thanks to Grant's
intervention) how to set it up. The Calfees and Treks and RB1s have been
praised for their handling and fit.

So please give details about why the Roadeo is the unquestioned reasonable
choice.

I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I interested
(for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or cosmetic
details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling.

Thanks.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

> Unless its just to save money I don't believe the older race bike are
> equal or even close substitute for the Roadeo.  My opinion of course..
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-03 Thread Kelly Sleeper 
Unless its just to save money I don't believe the older race bike are equal or 
even close substitute for the Roadeo.  My opinion of course.. 

Kelly 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-03 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Thanks for all the replies, suggestions and offers of various bikes (too
poor for the nonce to buy one). I like the old racing bike idea and,
actually, before I bought the Herse, had thought of priddying up the '73
Motobecane that I in fact sold to Eric Norris of this list -- light, toute
531 leger and nice handling with long stays and nimble front. Which brings
me full circle to the original thread: I rather regret now (20 years after
the fact) selling my 1989, Sante equipped all 531C Falcon: shitty,
Britain-in-industrial-decline paint job and wheels and tasteless Sante
powdercoat, but a nice, long-stayed, short front-center frame that would
have made a very decent gofast with some decent wheels and properly set up.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William  wrote:

> Responding to Patricks original post.
>
> I filled that description with a 1984 Trek 770.  It features standard
> diameter 531 tubing, and takes 28s (Roly-Poly).  I bought the complete bike
> from the original owner for $600.  I then parted out the Campagnolo Super
> Record stuff through the regular channels.  At the moment my running total
> has me owning the frame/fork/headset/saddle/wheelset/handlebar for a total
> outlay of $25.  It takes 28s and doesn't even hint at racks or fenders,
> because it has no brazeons.  I'm supremely happy with it.  It's got a 2x7
> compact double drivetrain on it now, and I will be using it on brevets this
> year.  I've even got it set up with a decaleur and have ridden it with a
> sizeable handlebar bag, despite the guarantees that such a setup is
> absolutely unrideable.
>
> As willing as you've demonstrated yourself to be in parting things out, I
> think this route could be fruitful for you as well.  There are good
> geo-charts available for both Trek and Bridgestone online, so you could buy
> off craigslist without having to ask a bunch of sizing minutia from your
> seller.
>
> I keep a 1992 RB1 at a family vacation home in the midwest as well.  No
> need for compact double out in the cornfields.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-02 Thread Jim Mather 
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 3:48 PM, ted  wrote:

> Though it may sound heretical here, if you want a light quick road
> bike w/o fender and rackability old quill stem steel race bikes can be
> very nice. I have a late 70s or early 80s Gios that is fairly light
> (sub 20 I think) and very fun for rides with race clubs, crits etc.
> It may be the only steel bike round here with a powertap on it, and
> tends to draw comments and questions, but it just works.--
>
*
*I second this motion. You can get a 70s or 80s stage race bike for a
pretty reasonable price. I've seen complete Colnagos in the $1200 range, or
frameset for $400. If you go for a less well known brand, like the Dutch
Gazelle, you can find a frameset for $200.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

2012-01-02 Thread Bertin753 
Thanks, Bill -- useful perspective. I will consider used cf (as well as 
titanium) if and when. My problem is that I've  not ridden a racing  bike with 
modern geometry, so it's good to have esperienced opinions from those who share 
certain fit and handling preferences,

Fwiw, my experiences with Brooks saddles is the same as yours. I went back to 
Flites and Turbos.

Patrick Moore
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On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:51 PM, "Bill M."  wrote:

> Patrick,
> 
> I am lucky enough to have both a Calfee Tetra Pro and a 1995 Riv Road
> Standard.  The Calfee is lighter by several pounds, and feels more
> responsive and racy.  The first time I rode it up a short 8% climb
> (the only 'hill' within 20 miles of my house) I was astonished at the
> gear I used, a couple or three cogs higher than I was used to using.
> That evens out on a longer climb, of course, but the Calfee really
> jumps when I try to crank up some speed.  I also find I have fewer
> problems with hand numbness on the Calfee despite the bars being a
> couple of cm lower.  I credit that to a different fit, the compact
> bars on the Calfee vs. Noodles on the Riv, and the Brooks on the Riv
> vs. the modern saddle on the Calfee.  On the Brooks I'm always hunting
> for that magic adjustment that will keep me in place without hand
> pressure, but not squish my softer bits.  I may never find it.  Too
> bad, the Brooks looks so good on the dark green Riv.
> 
> I bought the Calfee frame slightly used for about 1/3 the price of a
> new one, or 1/2 the price of a new Roadeo.  For that price it was a no-
> brainer.  I use it strictly for club rides where I will be pushing
> myself hard, and don't carry more gear than will fit in my jersey
> pockets.  I's a great bike for that kind of behavior.
> 
> The Riv is currently outfitted quasi-Passhunter style, with low
> gearing (46/30 x 11/32) and 32 mm Rando Hypers (they *barely* fit).  I
> ride it when I'm out solo, and have a more relaxed attatude.  The
> Riv's drivetrain and wheels should eventually move over to a Rawland
> Nordavinden that will handle the bigger rubber with some room for
> error, and the Riv will revert to use as a fixed gear, maybe with an
> S3X IG hub.
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Jan 1, 1:32 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> Several listers have mentioned Calfee. Maybe this would be a place where a
>> CF bike would be appropriate. I'd love to hear comparos of Calfees with
>> other, more Rivendellian models.
>> 
>> Tho' I fear to hear what a Calfee costs ...
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:23 PM, robert zeidler 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> It's a nice problem to have.
>>> When I went that route, I went Calfee (gasp!)
>> 
>>> RGZ
>> 
>>> On Sunday, January 1, 2012, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
 Hardly have sold the Herse and I am salivating at the thought of
>>> something new. What I need, I say, *need*, is a gofast multispeed bike
>>> (with coasting capability); no gd fenders, racks -- I've got plenty of
>>> bikes that will take fenders, racks and loads. This would be for fair
>>> weather, no-load, cycling-kit-wearing (but wool kit), lightweight rides. No
>>> tire fatter than 28 and 26 acceptable.
 Now I am sure that the Roadeo is a better bike and I know that fender
>>> and 32 mm clearance won't take from its speed; but the R would run upward
>>> of $4K minimum built with used parts, and I would hope to find a RB1 or
>>> similar classic for less.
 I want something that is fast to accelerate, climbs well, corners
>>> "intuitively" and that will well fit a long torso and short limbs.
 Perhaps I ought to convert my 1999 650C Joe Starck fixie custom to a
>>> gearie (having converted my '03 Curt gearie to a fixed commuter). Actually,
>>> now that I think of that, this might make sense -- unless I convert the '99
>>> to a trike.
 Seriously, Rodeo or RB1 or clone?
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