Re: [RBW] "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen

2023-10-08 Thread Joe Bernard 
Yes, Clem was 2015. The bike that told Riv they could sell TIG'd - and 
later, fillet - frames and people would still love them. 

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 10:02:37 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Did clems precede roadinis?
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:45:38 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm happy to share, glad everyone who responded has enjoyed! Always fun 
>> to turn up a little Rivendell/Grant tidbit "in the wild." 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:57:24 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> Probably the 2017 first run of the Roadini. I bought a grey one which 
>>> has since been gifted to my sister, I have two orange ones now, a 
>>> 650b/47cm, and a 700c/50cm
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:02:22 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>>
 This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 

 Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* 
 fully lugged? 

 Thanks again! 

 Jim

 On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS  wrote:

 Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!

 -Rich

 On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to 
> believe these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike 
>> renaissance happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s 
>> are 
>> lugged. Well, the Clem has the seat cluster…
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, 
>> one that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for 
>> stuff like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i 
>> was thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave 
>> me 
>> some ideas!
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf  wrote:
>>
>>> I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame 
>>> than it was 10 years ago because…
>>> You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with 
>>> the same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t 
>>> print the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a 
>>> wax 
>>> lug, which you can then cast in steel.
>>> Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the 
>>> tubing.  If you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only 
>>> have 
>>> lugs for a 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just 
>>> print 
>>> the correct lug.
>>>
>>> Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
>>> required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
>>> demanding 
>>> as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen

2023-10-08 Thread Ryan 
Did clems precede roadinis?

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:45:38 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm happy to share, glad everyone who responded has enjoyed! Always fun to 
> turn up a little Rivendell/Grant tidbit "in the wild." 
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:57:24 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> Probably the 2017 first run of the Roadini. I bought a grey one which has 
>> since been gifted to my sister, I have two orange ones now, a 650b/47cm, 
>> and a 700c/50cm
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:02:22 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 
>>>
>>> Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* fully 
>>> lugged? 
>>>
>>> Thanks again! 
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS  wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!
>>>
>>> -Rich
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>>
 I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to 
 believe these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike 
> renaissance happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s are 
> lugged. Well, the Clem has the seat cluster…
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, 
> one that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for 
> stuff like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i 
> was thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave 
> me 
> some ideas!
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf  wrote:
>
>> I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame 
>> than it was 10 years ago because…
>> You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with the 
>> same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t 
>> print 
>> the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a wax 
>> lug, 
>> which you can then cast in steel.
>> Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the tubing.  
>> If you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only have lugs 
>> for a 
>> 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just print the 
>> correct 
>> lug.
>>
>> Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
>> required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
>> demanding 
>> as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.
>>
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Re: [RBW] "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen

2023-10-08 Thread Eric Marth 
I'm happy to share, glad everyone who responded has enjoyed! Always fun to 
turn up a little Rivendell/Grant tidbit "in the wild." 

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:57:24 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:

> Probably the 2017 first run of the Roadini. I bought a grey one which has 
> since been gifted to my sister, I have two orange ones now, a 650b/47cm, 
> and a 700c/50cm
>
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:02:22 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 
>>
>> Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* fully 
>> lugged? 
>>
>> Thanks again! 
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS  wrote:
>>
>> Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!
>>
>> -Rich
>>
>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to 
>>> believe these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike 
 renaissance happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s are 
 lugged. Well, the Clem has the seat cluster…

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W  wrote:

 

 Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, 
 one that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for 
 stuff like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i 
 was thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave 
 me 
 some ideas!

 On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf  wrote:

> I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame 
> than it was 10 years ago because…
> You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with the 
> same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t print 
> the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a wax 
> lug, 
> which you can then cast in steel.
> Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the tubing.  
> If you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only have lugs for 
> a 
> 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just print the correct 
> lug.
>
> Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
> required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
> demanding 
> as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen

2023-10-08 Thread Dorothy C 
Probably the 2017 first run of the Roadini. I bought a grey one which has 
since been gifted to my sister, I have two orange ones now, a 650b/47cm, 
and a 700c/50cm


On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:02:22 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 
>
> Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* fully 
> lugged? 
>
> Thanks again! 
>
> Jim
>
> On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS  wrote:
>
> Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!
>
> -Rich
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to believe 
>> these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike 
>>> renaissance happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s are 
>>> lugged. Well, the Clem has the seat cluster…
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, one 
>>> that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for stuff 
>>> like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i was 
>>> thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave me 
>>> some ideas!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf  wrote:
>>>
 I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame than 
 it was 10 years ago because…
 You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with the 
 same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t print 
 the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a wax lug, 
 which you can then cast in steel.
 Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the tubing.  
 If you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only have lugs for 
 a 
 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just print the correct 
 lug.

 Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
 required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
 demanding 
 as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.


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Re: [RBW] "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen

2023-10-06 Thread J J 
This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 

Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* fully 
lugged? 

Thanks again! 

Jim

> On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS  wrote:
> 
> Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!
> 
> -Rich
> 
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>> I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to believe 
>> these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com <> wrote:
>>> Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike renaissance 
>>> happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s are lugged. Well, 
>>> the Clem has the seat cluster…
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W > wrote:
 
 
>>> 
 Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, one 
 that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for stuff 
 like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i was 
 thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave me 
 some ideas!
 
 On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf > wrote:
> I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame than 
> it was 10 years ago because…
> You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with the 
> same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t print 
> the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a wax 
> lug, which you can then cast in steel.
> Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the tubing.  If 
> you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only have lugs for a 
> 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just print the correct 
> lug.
> 
> Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
> required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
> demanding as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.
> 
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