Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Ron Mc]

one other place latex tubes will get you.  If you have a tire cut that goes 
through the casing, they will balloon out and pop.  For this reason, it's 
good to carry a butyl tube, which is not elastic enough to do this, and 
will get you home.  

ps - the weak beads is why I finally gave up on Strada Biancas. The beads 
will stretch out before the tread wears out.  I replaced them with Stampede 
Pass 32mm last weekend, latex tubes, and really enjoyed their maiden ride. 
 I tried one before and didn't like it in comparison to Strada Biancas, but 
I think it was using a butyl tube with it.  

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 5:19:12 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> nothing "really, now" about it.  Latex tubes were the first.  They go 
> hand-in-hand with supple tires - they already come in the best fine-casing 
> tubulars (sew-ups).  
>
>
> 
> they were also in every pneumatic tire made in the nineteen-naughties-40s, 
> and if you find one, it's very likely still usable today (the vulcanized 
> tire won't be).  
>
> 
>
> This is only now and really to you. Counting tubulars, I've been riding 
> latex tubes forever.  ok, it's really only about a dozen years they have 
> been offered as separate tubes from the high-grade supple tubulars they 
> always come in.  
> I tried butyl tubes, I can't do it.  My latex tubes are calling me.  
> Butyl tubes are a chemistry set invention trying to duplicate the 
> properties of natural latex.  
> Natural latex is better - it's Much more elastic and it lasts longer.  
> As Steve pointed out, sometimes this extra-high elasticity can work 
> against you.  If you have a tire with a weak bead, they can squeeze through 
> to blow out.  
> But it won't be the drama that Steve extapolated, It will be a pop, very 
> likely a small hole, and even casual deflation, and I've even patched and 
> re-used latex tubes after it's happened.  
> But most times, the extra elasticity is all in your favor.  
>
> You patch these with a piece of latex cut from an old tube and tubie 
> mastic, and the patch is permanent.  Unlike butyl patches, latex patches 
> stretch.  
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 11:52:49 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> New to the supple tube zeitgeist and was wondering:
>> 1. Really?!?! First supple tires and now supple tubes? ;)
>> 2. Is their any research on safety of butyl vs. latex? Specifically with 
>> flats resulting in catastrophic tears? Like does a simple puncture in latex 
>> develop into a blowout tear faster than butyl?
>> 3. How do you patch a latex tube?
>> 4. Does the tire casing material "fight" with the latex and does one 
>> eventually degrade the other over time (like metals)?
>
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Ron Mc]

nothing "really, now" about it.  Latex tubes were the first.  They go 
hand-in-hand with supple tires - they already come in the best fine-casing 
tubulars (sew-ups).  


they were also in every pneumatic tire made in the nineteen-naughties-40s, 
and if you find one, it's very likely still usable today (the vulcanized 
tire won't be).  



This is only now and really to you. Counting tubulars, I've been riding 
latex tubes forever.  ok, it's really only about a dozen years they have 
been offered as separate tubes from the high-grade supple tubulars they 
always come in.  
I tried butyl tubes, I can't do it.  My latex tubes are calling me.  
Butyl tubes are a chemistry set invention trying to duplicate the 
properties of natural latex.  
Natural latex is better - it's Much more elastic and it lasts longer.  
As Steve pointed out, sometimes this extra-high elasticity can work against 
you.  If you have a tire with a weak bead, they can squeeze through to blow 
out.  
But it won't be the drama that Steve extapolated, It will be a pop, very 
likely a small hole, and even casual deflation, and I've even patched and 
re-used latex tubes after it's happened.  
But most times, the extra elasticity is all in your favor.  

You patch these with a piece of latex cut from an old tube and tubie 
mastic, and the patch is permanent.  Unlike butyl patches, latex patches 
stretch.  

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 11:52:49 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> New to the supple tube zeitgeist and was wondering:
> 1. Really?!?! First supple tires and now supple tubes? ;)
> 2. Is their any research on safety of butyl vs. latex? Specifically with 
> flats resulting in catastrophic tears? Like does a simple puncture in latex 
> develop into a blowout tear faster than butyl?
> 3. How do you patch a latex tube?
> 4. Does the tire casing material "fight" with the latex and does one 
> eventually degrade the other over time (like metals)?

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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, good information.

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> they transform even the smaller sizes of Compass EL tires (or any fine
> casing/ supple tires) - they run quieter and that, by definition, means the
> run faster, because noise is kinetic energy being lost by the tire.
> They also reward lower pressures - they actually become too bouncy at too
> high pressures.
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Patrick Moore]

Alas, still none apparently in 559 or 571 sizes, though -- the
triathlon/650C sites all agree that the only latex in 26" are in tubulars.

I wonder if the very light (70 gram) Michelin butyls are as/almost as good?

And there is this, which I may try:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr2zEulcqNE

Has anyone done this?

Even better would be tubeless, of course.

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> New to the supple tube zeitgeist and was wondering:
> 1. Really?!?! First supple tires and now supple tubes? ;)
> 2. Is their any research on safety of butyl vs. latex? Specifically with
> flats resulting in catastrophic tears? Like does a simple puncture in latex
> develop into a blowout tear faster than butyl?
> 3. How do you patch a latex tube?
> 4. Does the tire casing material "fight" with the latex and does one
> eventually degrade the other over time (like metals)?
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Lungimsam]

New to the supple tube zeitgeist and was wondering:
1. Really?!?! First supple tires and now supple tubes? ;)
2. Is their any research on safety of butyl vs. latex? Specifically with flats 
resulting in catastrophic tears? Like does a simple puncture in latex develop 
into a blowout tear faster than butyl?
3. How do you patch a latex tube?
4. Does the tire casing material "fight" with the latex and does one eventually 
degrade the other over time (like metals)?

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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Ron Mc]

they transform even the smaller sizes of Compass EL tires (or any fine 
casing/ supple tires) - they run quieter and that, by definition, means the 
run faster, because noise is kinetic energy being lost by the tire.  
They also reward lower pressures - they actually become too bouncy at too 
high pressures.  

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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I'll be very interested in hearing any further perceptions.

I really must look further for 650C tubes in latex.

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 1:42 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> Got it. I won't risk it. The link to those rated 42mm is worth
> checking out. Those should fit well.
>
> Patrick, the subtleness of your descriptions sometimes escapes me, but I'd
> venture to say that the latex tubes on the Compass tires makes them feel a
> lot smoother. Whether they actually roll faster, I can't tell with one
> ride. I did feel faster because the ride was so smooth.
>
> I was using the super thin Schwalbe tubes, but the latex tubes were very
> perceptibly smoother with the same tires.
>
> René
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Ron Mc]

Rene, I believe I was mistaken and the 42mm is is just the valve stem 
length.  (though 42mm tire width is 1.65")

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 2:42:09 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
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> Got it. I won't risk it. The link to those rated 42mm is worth 
> checking out. Those should fit well. 
>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[René Sterental]

Got it. I won't risk it. The link to those rated 42mm is worth
checking out. Those should fit well.

Patrick, the subtleness of your descriptions sometimes escapes me, but I'd
venture to say that the latex tubes on the Compass tires makes them feel a
lot smoother. Whether they actually roll faster, I can't tell with one
ride. I did feel faster because the ride was so smooth.

I was using the super thin Schwalbe tubes, but the latex tubes were very
perceptibly smoother with the same tires.

René

On Monday, May 23, 2016, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 05/23/2016 10:17 AM, René Sterental wrote:
>
>> I saw these, but I'm concerned they'd be too big for 650b 42mm (1.6")
>> wide tires, as they state 1.9-2.2".
>>
>> What would be the risk of trying to go with a wider tube in a narrower
>> tire, assuming you are able to mount it without pinching it against the
>> rim? Would it crease inside the tire and therefore tear?
>>
>>
> The risk is that you get a fold of tube caught under the tire bead --
> extremely likely with a tube that's too wide -- and as you inflate the tube
> it wedges the tire right off the rim and you get an explosive blowout that
> will cause you to crap your pants, make your ears ring and will totally
> destroy the tube.   If you're lucky, it'll happen before you're done
> pumping.  If you're not lucky you'll get out on the road and have your
> blowout while you're riding.   And that's closer to a guarantee than a mere
> risk.
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/23/2016 10:17 AM, René Sterental wrote:
I saw these, but I'm concerned they'd be too big for 650b 42mm (1.6") 
wide tires, as they state 1.9-2.2".


What would be the risk of trying to go with a wider tube in a narrower 
tire, assuming you are able to mount it without pinching it against 
the rim? Would it crease inside the tire and therefore tear?




The risk is that you get a fold of tube caught under the tire bead -- 
extremely likely with a tube that's too wide -- and as you inflate the 
tube it wedges the tire right off the rim and you get an explosive 
blowout that will cause you to crap your pants, make your ears ring and 
will totally destroy the tube.   If you're lucky, it'll happen before 
you're done pumping.  If you're not lucky you'll get out on the road and 
have your blowout while you're riding.   And that's closer to a 
guarantee than a mere risk.


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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

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Ach - can't handle the detail.

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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

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uncle

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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Patrick Moore]

I take it the toothbrush analogy describes the smoothness of the latex
tubes. What about speed, or the sensation of speed? (For me, this is felt
*not* by buzz but by feeling of torque/cadence related to effort.) My Elk
Pass tires just feel easier to pedal than the not-bad-themselves Kojaks.

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>
> quite simply, all butyl tubes feel like an electric toothbrush next to
> latex tubes.  I have used Stans in my latex tubes with a large glass shard
> in a Barlow, and the Stans lasted as long as the remaining tire tread.
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 10:28:02 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> To confirm: you noticed a difference in the Compass tires with latex
>> instead of butyl tubes?
>>
>> Certainly Compass ELs with standard tubes roll wonderfully. That would
>> indeed be an amazing ride, just short, I daresay, of running Compass tires
>> tubeless.
>>
>> I've looked for 559 X skinny and 650C ("See") latex tubes and haven't
>> found any. If anyone knows of sources, please advise.
>>
>> Are latex tubes compatible with Orange Seal or Stan's? The only way I can
>> use top quality tires in my area is with sealant.
>>
>> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 9:58 PM, René Sterental 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Installed the latex tubes on the 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires on my Homer and
>>> went for a 42 mile ride today to continue building my aerobic base. All I
>>> can say is WOW!!!
>>>
>>> The combination of the Compass tires and the latex tubes made the bike
>>> roll so incredibly smoother. Areas on the route where I would be rattled
>>> around due to irregularities on the pavement were hardly noticed.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the tip! I'm now a fan. Too bad I don't see them for 650b
>>> tires... Are there any made?
>>>
>>> René
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Ron Mc]

quite simply, all butyl tubes feel like an electric toothbrush next to 
latex tubes.  I have used Stans in my latex tubes with a large glass shard 
in a Barlow, and the Stans lasted as long as the remaining tire tread.  

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 10:28:02 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> To confirm: you noticed a difference in the Compass tires with latex 
> instead of butyl tubes? 
>
> Certainly Compass ELs with standard tubes roll wonderfully. That would 
> indeed be an amazing ride, just short, I daresay, of running Compass tires 
> tubeless.
>
> I've looked for 559 X skinny and 650C ("See") latex tubes and haven't 
> found any. If anyone knows of sources, please advise.
>
> Are latex tubes compatible with Orange Seal or Stan's? The only way I can 
> use top quality tires in my area is with sealant.
>
> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 9:58 PM, René Sterental  > wrote:
>
>> Installed the latex tubes on the 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires on my Homer and 
>> went for a 42 mile ride today to continue building my aerobic base. All I 
>> can say is WOW!!!
>>
>> The combination of the Compass tires and the latex tubes made the bike 
>> roll so incredibly smoother. Areas on the route where I would be rattled 
>> around due to irregularities on the pavement were hardly noticed. 
>>
>> Thanks for the tip! I'm now a fan. Too bad I don't see them for 650b 
>> tires... Are there any made?
>>
>> René 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Patrick Moore]

To confirm: you noticed a difference in the Compass tires with latex
instead of butyl tubes?

Certainly Compass ELs with standard tubes roll wonderfully. That would
indeed be an amazing ride, just short, I daresay, of running Compass tires
tubeless.

I've looked for 559 X skinny and 650C ("See") latex tubes and haven't found
any. If anyone knows of sources, please advise.

Are latex tubes compatible with Orange Seal or Stan's? The only way I can
use top quality tires in my area is with sealant.

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 9:58 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> Installed the latex tubes on the 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires on my Homer and
> went for a 42 mile ride today to continue building my aerobic base. All I
> can say is WOW!!!
>
> The combination of the Compass tires and the latex tubes made the bike
> roll so incredibly smoother. Areas on the route where I would be rattled
> around due to irregularities on the pavement were hardly noticed.
>
> Thanks for the tip! I'm now a fan. Too bad I don't see them for 650b
> tires... Are there any made?
>
> René
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Ron Mc]

Note, it's also possible they're simply re-rating them and changing the 
package to hit the 650b market.  Could be the reason for the CRC closeout 
price...

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 10:07:08 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Especially if you're planning to stock up on 700c (try ribble?) possibly 
> add a couple of these to kick up to free shipping level.  If anything, all 
> you're going to face is a little thicker tube, but the slight diameter 
> stretch is going to keep them from buckling anywhere.  If it doesn't work, 
> offer someone with 26" wheels a such a deal on a pair of almost-used latex 
> tubes.  
> Looks like they make these in a smaller size also?  Stated as standard 42mm
>
> https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/michelin-mtb-tube-latex-standard-42-mm-26x1.75-2.10/136007207/p?utm_source=google_products_medium=merchant_producte=2736944=us=CjwKEAjw1Iq6BRDY_tK-9OjdmBESJABlzoY7mZYSRJExrILBdjzXrh2CIeaSHYqK9k3GxEHvtXDDixoCrQfw_wcB=aw.ds
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 9:17:50 AM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> I saw these, but I'm concerned they'd be too big for 650b 42mm (1.6") 
>> wide tires, as they state 1.9-2.2". 
>>
>> What would be the risk of trying to go with a wider tube in a narrower 
>> tire, assuming you are able to mount it without pinching it against the 
>> rim? Would it crease inside the tire and therefore tear?
>>
>> Maybe I'll try it just to find out...
>>
>> René 
>>
>> On Monday, May 23, 2016, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> All correct there, Rene.  It seems redundant to say these improve supple 
>>> tires, but they do indeed.  I flatted last week, put in quick butyl spare 
>>> on roadside and was delighted to get my latex back in - rode it yesterday 
>>> and giggled the whole 35 mi.  
>>> Don't know of any for 650B, but Michelin makes big dia 26" latex tubes, 
>>> available at all the typical UK vendors.  
>>> Maybe these would work?  They're several times more elastic than butyl 
>>> tubes.  
>>>
>>> http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/michelin-c4-aircomp-latex-mtb-bike-tube/rp-prod20472
>>> Maybe these would work?  
>>> Latex tubes are actually the historic low-tech:  
>>>
>>> Found this posted on-line
>>> *materials: bicycle inner tube (caoutchouc / natural rubber), 1930s; 
>>> bicycle saddle (leather and metal fixture) 1940s; bicycle fork 
>>> (metal)1960/70s*
>>> [image: [​IMG]]
>>>
>>> http://www.ganahl.info/counting.html
>>> Many antique balloon-tire riders on The CABE are still riding antique 
>>> natural latex tubes from the '30s, and rejoice when they find a good one in 
>>> an old wheel.  
>>> http://thecabe.com/forum/threads/vintage-bicycle-inner-tubes.90610/
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 10:58:43 PM UTC-5, René wrote:

 Installed the latex tubes on the 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires on my Homer 
 and went for a 42 mile ride today to continue building my aerobic base. 
 All 
 I can say is WOW!!!

 The combination of the Compass tires and the latex tubes made the bike 
 roll so incredibly smoother. Areas on the route where I would be rattled 
 around due to irregularities on the pavement were hardly noticed. 

 Thanks for the tip! I'm now a fan. Too bad I don't see them for 650b 
 tires... Are there any made?

 René 

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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Ron Mc]

Especially if you're planning to stock up on 700c (try ribble?) possibly 
add a couple of these to kick up to free shipping level.  If anything, all 
you're going to face is a little thicker tube, but the slight diameter 
stretch is going to keep them from buckling anywhere.  If it doesn't work, 
offer someone with 26" wheels a such a deal on a pair of almost-used latex 
tubes.  
Looks like they make these in a smaller size also?  Stated as standard 42mm
https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/michelin-mtb-tube-latex-standard-42-mm-26x1.75-2.10/136007207/p?utm_source=google_products_medium=merchant_producte=2736944=us=CjwKEAjw1Iq6BRDY_tK-9OjdmBESJABlzoY7mZYSRJExrILBdjzXrh2CIeaSHYqK9k3GxEHvtXDDixoCrQfw_wcB=aw.ds

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 9:17:50 AM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> I saw these, but I'm concerned they'd be too big for 650b 42mm (1.6") wide 
> tires, as they state 1.9-2.2". 
>
> What would be the risk of trying to go with a wider tube in a narrower 
> tire, assuming you are able to mount it without pinching it against the 
> rim? Would it crease inside the tire and therefore tear?
>
> Maybe I'll try it just to find out...
>
> René 
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2016, Ron Mc  wrote:
>
>> All correct there, Rene.  It seems redundant to say these improve supple 
>> tires, but they do indeed.  I flatted last week, put in quick butyl spare 
>> on roadside and was delighted to get my latex back in - rode it yesterday 
>> and giggled the whole 35 mi.  
>> Don't know of any for 650B, but Michelin makes big dia 26" latex tubes, 
>> available at all the typical UK vendors.  
>> Maybe these would work?  They're several times more elastic than butyl 
>> tubes.  
>>
>> http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/michelin-c4-aircomp-latex-mtb-bike-tube/rp-prod20472
>> Maybe these would work?  
>> Latex tubes are actually the historic low-tech:  
>>
>> Found this posted on-line
>> *materials: bicycle inner tube (caoutchouc / natural rubber), 1930s; 
>> bicycle saddle (leather and metal fixture) 1940s; bicycle fork 
>> (metal)1960/70s*
>> [image: [​IMG]]
>>
>> http://www.ganahl.info/counting.html
>> Many antique balloon-tire riders on The CABE are still riding antique 
>> natural latex tubes from the '30s, and rejoice when they find a good one in 
>> an old wheel.  
>> http://thecabe.com/forum/threads/vintage-bicycle-inner-tubes.90610/
>>
>> On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 10:58:43 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>>
>>> Installed the latex tubes on the 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires on my Homer and 
>>> went for a 42 mile ride today to continue building my aerobic base. All I 
>>> can say is WOW!!!
>>>
>>> The combination of the Compass tires and the latex tubes made the bike 
>>> roll so incredibly smoother. Areas on the route where I would be rattled 
>>> around due to irregularities on the pavement were hardly noticed. 
>>>
>>> Thanks for the tip! I'm now a fan. Too bad I don't see them for 650b 
>>> tires... Are there any made?
>>>
>>> René 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[René Sterental]

I saw these, but I'm concerned they'd be too big for 650b 42mm (1.6") wide
tires, as they state 1.9-2.2".

What would be the risk of trying to go with a wider tube in a narrower
tire, assuming you are able to mount it without pinching it against the
rim? Would it crease inside the tire and therefore tear?

Maybe I'll try it just to find out...

René

On Monday, May 23, 2016, Ron Mc  wrote:

> All correct there, Rene.  It seems redundant to say these improve supple
> tires, but they do indeed.  I flatted last week, put in quick butyl spare
> on roadside and was delighted to get my latex back in - rode it yesterday
> and giggled the whole 35 mi.
> Don't know of any for 650B, but Michelin makes big dia 26" latex tubes,
> available at all the typical UK vendors.
> Maybe these would work?  They're several times more elastic than butyl
> tubes.
>
> http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/michelin-c4-aircomp-latex-mtb-bike-tube/rp-prod20472
> Maybe these would work?
> Latex tubes are actually the historic low-tech:
>
> Found this posted on-line
> *materials: bicycle inner tube (caoutchouc / natural rubber), 1930s;
> bicycle saddle (leather and metal fixture) 1940s; bicycle fork
> (metal)1960/70s*
> [image: [​IMG]]
>
> http://www.ganahl.info/counting.html
> Many antique balloon-tire riders on The CABE are still riding antique
> natural latex tubes from the '30s, and rejoice when they find a good one in
> an old wheel.
> http://thecabe.com/forum/threads/vintage-bicycle-inner-tubes.90610/
>
> On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 10:58:43 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> Installed the latex tubes on the 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires on my Homer and
>> went for a 42 mile ride today to continue building my aerobic base. All I
>> can say is WOW!!!
>>
>> The combination of the Compass tires and the latex tubes made the bike
>> roll so incredibly smoother. Areas on the route where I would be rattled
>> around due to irregularities on the pavement were hardly noticed.
>>
>> Thanks for the tip! I'm now a fan. Too bad I don't see them for 650b
>> tires... Are there any made?
>>
>> René
>>
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Ron Mc]

All correct there, Rene.  It seems redundant to say these improve supple 
tires, but they do indeed.  I flatted last week, put in quick butyl spare 
on roadside and was delighted to get my latex back in - rode it yesterday 
and giggled the whole 35 mi.  
Don't know of any for 650B, but Michelin makes big dia 26" latex tubes, 
available at all the typical UK vendors.  
Maybe these would work?  They're several times more elastic than butyl 
tubes.  
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/michelin-c4-aircomp-latex-mtb-bike-tube/rp-prod20472
Maybe these would work?  
Latex tubes are actually the historic low-tech:  

Found this posted on-line
*materials: bicycle inner tube (caoutchouc / natural rubber), 1930s; 
bicycle saddle (leather and metal fixture) 1940s; bicycle fork 
(metal)1960/70s*
[image: [​IMG]]

http://www.ganahl.info/counting.html
Many antique balloon-tire riders on The CABE are still riding antique 
natural latex tubes from the '30s, and rejoice when they find a good one in 
an old wheel.  
http://thecabe.com/forum/threads/vintage-bicycle-inner-tubes.90610/

On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 10:58:43 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Installed the latex tubes on the 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires on my Homer and 
> went for a 42 mile ride today to continue building my aerobic base. All I 
> can say is WOW!!!
>
> The combination of the Compass tires and the latex tubes made the bike 
> roll so incredibly smoother. Areas on the route where I would be rattled 
> around due to irregularities on the pavement were hardly noticed. 
>
> Thanks for the tip! I'm now a fan. Too bad I don't see them for 650b 
> tires... Are there any made?
>
> René 
>

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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[René Sterental]

Installed the latex tubes on the 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires on my Homer and
went for a 42 mile ride today to continue building my aerobic base. All I
can say is WOW!!!

The combination of the Compass tires and the latex tubes made the bike roll
so incredibly smoother. Areas on the route where I would be rattled around
due to irregularities on the pavement were hardly noticed.

Thanks for the tip! I'm now a fan. Too bad I don't see them for 650b
tires... Are there any made?

René

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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[René Sterental]

Thanks!

On Tuesday, May 3, 2016, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Rene, should work fine - these really stretch.
>
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 4:11:24 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> I assume the larger size labeled for 28-35mm tires will work well with
>> the 38mm Barlow Pass tired, right? How about with the Soma 42mm tires?
>>
>> René
>>
>> On Monday, May 2, 2016, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> ps - especially on the Barlows (but even on the 27mm Open Paves) I love
>>> the sound they make on tar strips.  They sound (and feel) like an
>>> under--pressure soccer ball.  If you over-pressure them, they bounce like a
>>> soccer ball.
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Ron Mc]

Rene, should work fine - these really stretch.  

On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 4:11:24 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> I assume the larger size labeled for 28-35mm tires will work well with the 
> 38mm Barlow Pass tired, right? How about with the Soma 42mm tires?
>
> René 
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2016, Ron Mc  wrote:
>
>> ps - especially on the Barlows (but even on the 27mm Open Paves) I love 
>> the sound they make on tar strips.  They sound (and feel) like an 
>> under--pressure soccer ball.  If you over-pressure them, they bounce like a 
>> soccer ball.  
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[René Sterental]

I assume the larger size labeled for 28-35mm tires will work well with the
38mm Barlow Pass tired, right? How about with the Soma 42mm tires?

René

On Monday, May 2, 2016, Ron Mc  wrote:

> ps - especially on the Barlows (but even on the 27mm Open Paves) I love
> the sound they make on tar strips.  They sound (and feel) like an
> under--pressure soccer ball.  If you over-pressure them, they bounce like a
> soccer ball.
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

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ps - especially on the Barlows (but even on the 27mm Open Paves) I love the 
sound they make on tar strips.  They sound (and feel) like an 
under--pressure soccer ball.  If you over-pressure them, they bounce like a 
soccer ball.  

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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[René Sterental]

Thanks Ron!

I'll give them a try.

On Monday, May 2, 2016, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Hi Rene,
> Challenge makes a large cross/gravel size - best online price is Outside
> Outfiters.  I just received two in the mail from there today - I keep these
> stocked.
> Price is about the same as Schwalbe Ultralight.  The difference is
> vulcanized butyl v. super-elastic latex.
> Wiggle for some reason can't sell them to the US - probably an agreement
> with Challenge and whoever imports them to the US.
> One thing I really like about them is patching.  Keep an old tube, cut a
> piece, glue it over the hole with tubie mastic - squeeze it with something
> overnight (carry a spare new tube for roadside).
> The patch is permanent and the even stretches, unlike hard patches for
> butyl tubes.
> Vittoria makes road sizes (28mm) and Wiggle has a good price on these.
> They all have slick valve stems (and removable cores), and I put o-rings
> over the stems thinking it helps with shock and vibration.
>
>
> 
>
> maybe ti does nothing, but I will keep doing it, because I like it (one
> package of o-rings, which I bought for something else lasts forever).
>
> Michelin also makeslatex tubes - never tried them.
> I'll make the argument that latex rides better than tubeless, but notably
> better than butyl.
> All kind of arguments that it runs cooler and faster than butyl - no
> question it feels different - it feels softer and faster.
> Downside is you have to pump them - every day when you ride, and at least
> once/week when you don't.
> If you ever cut open one of your butyl tubes, water will pour out that has
> collected from your pump.  If you cut open a latex tube, it will be dry,
> because water evaporates through them.
> (I run latex in every bike except my daughter's upright with 42mm Soma SV
> - I run Schwalbe Ultralight in those, so I don't have to pump them every
> week).
> I actually carry a mix of spares, butyl and latex.  Latex can sometimes be
> hard to avoid a pinch, because it is so crazy stretchy.  Sometimes on the
> side of the road I'll install butyl to get home.
> Next time that tires comes off, though, latex is going back on.
> Regards
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 7:03:44 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> Who makes latex tubes? And how do they compare to the Schwalbe ultralight
>> tubes?
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

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Hi Rene, 
Challenge makes a large cross/gravel size - best online price is Outside 
Outfiters.  I just received two in the mail from there today - I keep these 
stocked.  
Price is about the same as Schwalbe Ultralight.  The difference is 
vulcanized butyl v. super-elastic latex.  
Wiggle for some reason can't sell them to the US - probably an agreement 
with Challenge and whoever imports them to the US.  
One thing I really like about them is patching.  Keep an old tube, cut a 
piece, glue it over the hole with tubie mastic - squeeze it with something 
overnight (carry a spare new tube for roadside).  
The patch is permanent and the even stretches, unlike hard patches for 
butyl tubes.  
Vittoria makes road sizes (28mm) and Wiggle has a good price on these.  
They all have slick valve stems (and removable cores), and I put o-rings 
over the stems thinking it helps with shock and vibration.  



maybe ti does nothing, but I will keep doing it, because I like it (one 
package of o-rings, which I bought for something else lasts forever).  

Michelin also makeslatex tubes - never tried them.  
I'll make the argument that latex rides better than tubeless, but notably 
better than butyl.  
All kind of arguments that it runs cooler and faster than butyl - no 
question it feels different - it feels softer and faster.  
Downside is you have to pump them - every day when you ride, and at least 
once/week when you don't.  
If you ever cut open one of your butyl tubes, water will pour out that has 
collected from your pump.  If you cut open a latex tube, it will be dry, 
because water evaporates through them.  
(I run latex in every bike except my daughter's upright with 42mm Soma SV - 
I run Schwalbe Ultralight in those, so I don't have to pump them every 
week).  
I actually carry a mix of spares, butyl and latex.  Latex can sometimes be 
hard to avoid a pinch, because it is so crazy stretchy.  Sometimes on the 
side of the road I'll install butyl to get home.  
Next time that tires comes off, though, latex is going back on.  
Regards

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 7:03:44 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Who makes latex tubes? And how do they compare to the Schwalbe ultralight 
> tubes?
>
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[René Sterental]

Who makes latex tubes? And how do they compare to the Schwalbe ultralight
tubes?

On Saturday, April 30, 2016, Sofia Torres  wrote:

> YUP.
>
> I've had a latex CX tube survive after my tire was punctured by the
> largest thorn I've ever seen (about 1" long and very very sharp but
> stubby.) I did pull it out right away because it was a noticeable bump as
> the wheel turned. Tube was fine. I kept the thorn as a keepsake.
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