Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-07 Thread Abcyclehank
Hugh, 
I found that seat post.  I will be happy to send it to you to try but don't 
want to part with it permanently.  Contact me off list if you want it sent out 
Wednesday with the bike I sold this weekend.

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-06 Thread Hugh Smitham
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
wrote:

 Hugh,  The Nitto S-83 are listed as 26 mm of setback.  I had one on my
 Coho (72 STA) but was always sitting on the rivets so I switched it for a
 Dia Compe Gran Compe with 30 mm of setback.

 I've spent many hours looking for setback posts as I have long femurs and
 can never get back far enough.  I've worked with a bike fit expert as I
 tend to have issues with my right hip.  His advice was to get the furthest
 setback and longest rail saddle possible to get my hip angle optimized.  So
 all my bikes are 72 STA with 30 mm setback posts and the seats as far back
 as possible.


On the ibob group there was a thread about setback. I followed it and the
link to Peter White's page on fit. Some or most of it felt intuitive to me.
The notion that a racerly position would have the rider forward and the
hips and back sliding forward and in a touring setup where comfort is more
the aim rather than power (here's where I depart from Peter White in
regards to power, its wind resistance) the bars are raised and brought back
thus the saddle needs to be brought back. Makes sense to me. I think this
can be confusing. I get where a Dutch bike that's super slack would have a
noticeable power loss but that's at the extreme! In my case with the 9cm
stem I feel cramped. I found myself purposely sliding back on the saddle.
One reason I like the Albatross bars are that they afford me numerous hand
and back positions. In the hooks I'm in a more aero position but not so
aggressive to fatigue my back and at the opposite in the grips I'm upright
with little to no stress on my neck and back.

I have a 10cm stem on the way and that might be the sweet spot I'm looking
for? Peter White and probably lot's of others subscribe to setting the
saddle first then the stem. It seems I'm going about it backwards. Most
likely I'll have a seatpost and stem or two to sell.


 The issue with moving too far back is that your knee will be behind the
 pedal spindle and you may end of with an overuse injury somewhere in your
 legs.  Or you might end up sliding the saddle way forward and wasting you
 money.  In bike fitting your saddle position relative to the pedal spindle
 has little to with your stem/bar position.  So you should go with a shorter
 stem if your bar/stem has pushed you back.


 Can one have knee flexor issues with the knee forward of the pedal axle?
Perhaps I've been slightly fore of the axle.


 You may have  flexible tendons and not have any issues.  The fool-proof
 option is to go to a bike-fitting specialist which are expensive ( bike
 shop fitters are barely adequate  IME).


Not immune to tendon issues. Been to a bike fit, didn't seem fool-proof
then or now.


 David ... they are beautiful in an ugly frog sort of way


Ha I love frogs! Amphibians rock!


 Patrick... the older Dura Ace post are nice but only about 20 mm of
 setback, but the Flite saddles  have long rails so it's a good combo. (
 I've used both)

 ~mike


~Hugh




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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-06 Thread Hugh Smitham
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
wrote:

 well sounds like you should try the longer stem 1st and see how that
 feels.   I've looked at Peter Whites comments and most fall inline with
 what I've learned in my 40 years of riding and bike fitting.  I do think
 that using the the 37 mm setback post with a 72d STA is  way off the bell
 curve for saddle position.


You have me thinking. The S83 would only give an additional 8mm of setback.
As I said and you acknowledged I'll wait and give the 10cm stem a try and
go from there.


 One other comment, there are very few professional bike fitters in So Cal.
 The guys in bike shops can, sometimes, get most people in the ballpark.  If
 that works fine, but there are a few guys who have medical backgrounds and
 work with professional cyclists who can deal with recurring injury's or
 challenging fit issues.  I know of one if you need that both Jim W and I
 have used.


If I exhaust these attempts I may very well give your guy a try.


 ~mike


Thanks,

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-06 Thread Mike Schiller
well sounds like you should try the longer stem 1st and see how that feels. 
  I've looked at Peter Whites comments and most fall inline with what I've 
learned in my 40 years of riding and bike fitting.  I do think that using 
the the 37 mm setback post with a 72d STA is  way off the bell curve for 
saddle position.

One other comment, there are very few professional bike fitters in So Cal. 
The guys in bike shops can, sometimes, get most people in the ballpark.  If 
that works fine, but there are a few guys who have medical backgrounds and 
work with professional cyclists who can deal with recurring injury's or 
challenging fit issues.  I know of one if you need that both Jim W and I 
have used.

~mike




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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-06 Thread dougP
Ryan:

... I will be happy to host you guys and possibly outfit you with Riv's 
...

You realize there are a lot of us, especially with an offer like that.  
Hope we can take you up on that offer sometime.  Various articles and ride 
reports show Michigan to attractive for cycling.  

dougP

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 7:33:02 PM UTC-7, Abcyclehank wrote:

 Hugh, 
  I will check my surplus parts this weekend once school is done tomorrow. 
  I had a spare for a while but may have traded it for a shorter lugged 
 stem. 
 Hope you, Curtis, Doug, and all the So Cal contingency are doing well.  If 
 several of you ever get over here to Michigan for some riding, I will be 
 happy to host you guys and possibly outfit you with Riv's to ride. 

 Ryan Hankinson 
 Spring Lake, MI 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-06 Thread Hugh Smitham
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 4:17 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Ryan:

 ... I will be happy to host you guys and possibly outfit you with Riv's
 ...

 You realize there are a lot of us, especially with an offer like that.
 Hope we can take you up on that offer sometime.  Various articles and ride
 reports show Michigan to attractive for cycling.

 dougP


 On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 7:33:02 PM UTC-7, Abcyclehank wrote:

 Hugh,
  I will check my surplus parts this weekend once school is done
 tomorrow.  I had a spare for a while but may have traded it for a shorter
 lugged stem.
 Hope you, Curtis, Doug, and all the So Cal contingency are doing well.
 If several of you ever get over here to Michigan for some riding, I will be
 happy to host you guys and possibly outfit you with Riv's to ride.


I want to tour in the upper midwest. Seeing Pondero Aka Chris Johnson 
Shawn Granton' images from this years Lake Pepin Three Speed tour has me
dreaming. Though I have a Seattle to SLO tour in the works for '16 so maybe
'17? I might be persuaded to flip that on it's head though.

~Hugh


 Ryan Hankinson
 Spring Lake, MI

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-05 Thread Mike Schiller
Hugh, since your Atlantis and Hilsen  both have  72 degree STA's , adding a 
37mm setback post is going to put you way back behind the pedals. It may 
cause some other problems ( knee,hip,foot)Normally people use that 
seatpost when they have a steeper STA.  What issue are you trying to fix?   

~mike

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 7:19:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Mike,

 Crystal Fellows.

 ~Hugh
 On Jun 4, 2015 6:47 PM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 what seatpost are you using now Hugh?  The lugged Nitto has a lot of 
 setback.

 ~mike

 On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 5:22:55 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Think I may need more setback on the 'ol Atlantis. If you have one and 
 don't need it PM me. 

 Cheers, 

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-05 Thread Hugh Smitham
Mike,

Thanks for asking.

Since I decided to bring my Albatross handlebars up  back the saddle
position feels strange. My rear end feels like it wants to slide back and
when I do I run out of saddle. I slammed the saddle all the way back when I
originally installed the Albatross with a 12cm Tallux stem, when I
installed a 9cm ( I had it lying around when I took it off my Hilsen that's
another story) I thought maybe I might be able to squeeze the saddle back a
tad further. So on a recent ride I did! I finished the ride and my legs
felt really good. Back in the shop I looked at the point of contact between
seat clamp  rails. What I discovered were the front rails were not seated
inside the curvature of the clamp surface. On a Brooks B17 the rails taper
underneath the beginning of the saddle nose so I ran out of adjustment. I
figured with the offset seatpost at worst if I was wrong regarding the the
set back then, I could slide the saddle forward. I didn't consider the
amount of setback with the S84 versus the S65, looking at it now I see
that's it's a 19mm difference or 3/4/.7 of an inch. That's doesn't seem
like that much but perhaps it is. I suppose I could try the S83 but I don't
see the offset? Is the offset of the S83 the same as the S65 Crystal
Fellows?

Your thoughts?

Cheers,

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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wrote:

 Hugh, since your Atlantis and Hilsen  both have  72 degree STA's , adding
 a 37mm setback post is going to put you way back behind the pedals. It may
 cause some other problems ( knee,hip,foot)Normally people use that
 seatpost when they have a steeper STA.  What issue are you trying to fix?

 ~mike

 On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 7:19:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Mike,

 Crystal Fellows.

 ~Hugh
 On Jun 4, 2015 6:47 PM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 what seatpost are you using now Hugh?  The lugged Nitto has a lot of
 setback.

 ~mike

 On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 5:22:55 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Think I may need more setback on the 'ol Atlantis. If you have one and
 don't need it PM me.

 Cheers,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-05 Thread Patrick Moore
Or, perhaps more precisely, you'd be buying setback that you don't need to
use.

But! If you ride a traditional Brooks, and if at the same time you like a
somewhat rearward position, a long-setback seatpost won't be at all
impractical. I like a rearward saddle, and the old Dura Ace seatposts I use
(with quite a bit of setback) just barely accommodate my Flites -- I've
used a rubber mallet to get one of these as far back as possible on my 73*
seat tubed frames. A B 17 or Pro would be impossible without a seatpost
with exceptional setback.

I recall trying to fit a Flyer to an old mountain bike (73*) and having no
luck at all until I got a very specialized post with huge amounts of
setback.

So, with a Brooks, it's quite possible that a high-setback post will be
useful even on a 72* seat-tubed frame.

And they look nice!

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
wrote:

 Hugh, since your Atlantis and Hilsen  both have  72 degree STA's , adding
 a 37mm setback post is going to put you way back behind the pedals. It may
 cause some other problems ( knee,hip,foot)Normally people use that
 seatpost when they have a steeper STA.  What issue are you trying to fix?

 ~mike


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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-05 Thread cyclotourist
How about: Those seatposts just look awesome!

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Or, perhaps more precisely, you'd be buying setback that you don't need to
 use.

 But! If you ride a traditional Brooks, and if at the same time you like a
 somewhat rearward position, a long-setback seatpost won't be at all
 impractical. I like a rearward saddle, and the old Dura Ace seatposts I use
 (with quite a bit of setback) just barely accommodate my Flites -- I've used
 a rubber mallet to get one of these as far back as possible on my 73* seat
 tubed frames. A B 17 or Pro would be impossible without a seatpost with
 exceptional setback.

 I recall trying to fit a Flyer to an old mountain bike (73*) and having no
 luck at all until I got a very specialized post with huge amounts of
 setback.

 So, with a Brooks, it's quite possible that a high-setback post will be
 useful even on a 72* seat-tubed frame.

 And they look nice!

 On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
 wrote:

 Hugh, since your Atlantis and Hilsen  both have  72 degree STA's , adding
 a 37mm setback post is going to put you way back behind the pedals. It may
 cause some other problems ( knee,hip,foot)Normally people use that
 seatpost when they have a steeper STA.  What issue are you trying to fix?

 ~mike


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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-05 Thread Mike Schiller
Hugh,  The Nitto S-83 are listed as 26 mm of setback.  I had one on my Coho 
(72 STA) but was always sitting on the rivets so I switched it for a Dia 
Compe Gran Compe with 30 mm of setback.

I've spent many hours looking for setback posts as I have long femurs and 
can never get back far enough.  I've worked with a bike fit expert as I 
tend to have issues with my right hip.  His advice was to get the furthest 
setback and longest rail saddle possible to get my hip angle optimized.  So 
all my bikes are 72 STA with 30 mm setback posts and the seats as far back 
as possible.

The issue with moving too far back is that your knee will be behind the 
pedal spindle and you may end of with an overuse injury somewhere in your 
legs.  Or you might end up sliding the saddle way forward and wasting you 
money.  In bike fitting your saddle position relative to the pedal spindle 
has little to with your stem/bar position.  So you should go with a shorter 
stem if your bar/stem has pushed you back.  

You may have  flexible tendons and not have any issues.  The fool-proof 
option is to go to a bike-fitting specialist which are expensive ( bike 
shop fitters are barely adequate  IME).  

David ... they are beautiful in an ugly frog sort of way

Patrick... the older Dura Ace post are nice but only about 20 mm of 
setback, but the Flite saddles  have long rails so it's a good combo. ( 
I've used both)

~mike





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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-05 Thread Hugh Smitham
Lol's.  Yes they do :) Mr. Help me spend my money.

~Hugh
On Jun 5, 2015 7:42 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 How about: Those seatposts just look awesome!

 On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  Or, perhaps more precisely, you'd be buying setback that you don't need
 to
  use.
 
  But! If you ride a traditional Brooks, and if at the same time you like a
  somewhat rearward position, a long-setback seatpost won't be at all
  impractical. I like a rearward saddle, and the old Dura Ace seatposts I
 use
  (with quite a bit of setback) just barely accommodate my Flites -- I've
 used
  a rubber mallet to get one of these as far back as possible on my 73*
 seat
  tubed frames. A B 17 or Pro would be impossible without a seatpost with
  exceptional setback.
 
  I recall trying to fit a Flyer to an old mountain bike (73*) and having
 no
  luck at all until I got a very specialized post with huge amounts of
  setback.
 
  So, with a Brooks, it's quite possible that a high-setback post will be
  useful even on a 72* seat-tubed frame.
 
  And they look nice!
 
  On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  Hugh, since your Atlantis and Hilsen  both have  72 degree STA's ,
 adding
  a 37mm setback post is going to put you way back behind the pedals. It
 may
  cause some other problems ( knee,hip,foot)Normally people use that
  seatpost when they have a steeper STA.  What issue are you trying to
 fix?
 
  ~mike
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-04 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey Ryan,

Thanks for looking. Now that sounds like fun a Michigan tour. Humm wheels 
cogs churning.

It would be great to ride with you again.

Cheers,

~Hugh
On Jun 4, 2015 7:33 PM, Abcyclehank hankinso...@me.com wrote:

 Hugh,
  I will check my surplus parts this weekend once school is done tomorrow.
 I had a spare for a while but may have traded it for a shorter lugged stem.
 Hope you, Curtis, Doug, and all the So Cal contingency are doing well.  If
 several of you ever get over here to Michigan for some riding, I will be
 happy to host you guys and possibly outfit you with Riv's to ride.

 Ryan Hankinson
 Spring Lake, MI

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-04 Thread Hugh Smitham
Mike,

Crystal Fellows.

~Hugh
On Jun 4, 2015 6:47 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 what seatpost are you using now Hugh?  The lugged Nitto has a lot of
 setback.

 ~mike

 On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 5:22:55 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Think I may need more setback on the 'ol Atlantis. If you have one and
 don't need it PM me.

 Cheers,

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-04 Thread Hugh Smitham
Ron,

Thanks, I'll check it out.

~Hugh
On Jun 4, 2015 8:16 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi Hugh,
 the lugged seatpost is S84 - the Japan price at current exchange is about
 $85 plus $15 for 4-day express mail.

 http://www.alexscycle.com/seatposts/fixed-non-njs-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12/nitto-s84-lugged-seatpost.html
 the crystal fellow is S83, and they have that for about $60

 http://www.alexscycle.com/seatposts/fixed-non-njs-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12/nitto-s83.html
 Regards

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 Think I may need more setback on the 'ol Atlantis. If you have one and
 don't need it PM me.

 Cheers,

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO NITTO lugged seatpost.

2015-06-04 Thread Abcyclehank
Hugh,
 I will check my surplus parts this weekend once school is done tomorrow.  I 
had a spare for a while but may have traded it for a shorter lugged stem.
Hope you, Curtis, Doug, and all the So Cal contingency are doing well.  If 
several of you ever get over here to Michigan for some riding, I will be happy 
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Ryan Hankinson
Spring Lake, MI 

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