Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
On Monday, June 16, 2014 10:35:09 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: (Yes, I do consider the 39 on my Ram as a granny -- my small cog is a 16.) I am curious. What size and number cogs do you run 16 - ? and I assume that you had to assemble yourself or was is sold in that configuration somewhere? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
For the record, I'd prefer a 17 t outer cog (84 high) so as to bring the middle 20 and 21 t cruising cogs outward by one place. I may just revert to a 17-26 (or 27) 8 speed, since with just 8 I can fudge the outer. That said: 16-17-18-19-20-21-22-24-26. Not sold in any shop. Or, better, swap the 53 for a 52 which would make the center gear -- ie, the Large/20 -- a 70 gear instead of a ~72. The largest outer cog that Miche makes is the 16. And lastly, the 39 is a granny in the sense that I use it only for steep hills; all my cruising and most climbing is in the 53. Patrick never accept a stock cassette Moore On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Iron Rider 1000...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 10:35:09 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: (Yes, I do consider the 39 on my Ram as a granny -- my small cog is a 16.) I am curious. What size and number cogs do you run 16 - ? and I assume that you had to assemble yourself or was is sold in that configuration somewhere? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Which sounds fine. Alternatively can't one go to smaller rings and get a similar effect with stock cassettes? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Do FDs leave a footprint when you take them off your seat tube? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Ted No, I haven't been up Welch Creek Road. Did you see somebody there and thought it might have been me? On Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:36 PM UTC-7, ted wrote: Bill, have you been up say Welch Creek rd. off Calaveras? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Nope. I thought you might want something smaller than a 35 gear there. As in a reason to want lower than 35 on a road bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Oh, I see. I promise that if I choose to tackle the steepest climbs in any particular geographic area, I'll bring a low gear. If I had to grab one of my bikes down off the hook right now and do Welch Road, I suppose I'd choose the Hillborne which has a 23 low gear. The Bombadil has an 18 low, but it weighs 40 pounds. The drivetrain on my Black Mountain is pretty flexible. I could have it geared down in the 22 range in about 20 minutes with parts on the shelves in my garage. It's always good to be prepared. On Saturday, August 9, 2014 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, ted wrote: Nope. I thought you might want something smaller than a 35 gear there. As in a reason to want lower than 35 on a road bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
All perfectly valid and true etc. I was just pulling your leg, or poking some fun, or whatever. Of course by all means try the 1x9 on the road bike and have fun. It sure sounds fun. If you ever do find your way south east of sunol, welch creek is a nice wooded, narrow, lightly traveled, dead end road (albeit steep), that gives access to the top/back side of sunol regional wilderness. Going up welch and down through the park is a nice mixed terrain ride. Calaveras to and from welch, well eh. I guess it can't all be great all the time. On Saturday, August 9, 2014 3:26:09 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: Oh, I see. I promise that if I choose to tackle the steepest climbs in any particular geographic area, I'll bring a low gear. If I had to grab one of my bikes down off the hook right now and do Welch Road, I suppose I'd choose the Hillborne which has a 23 low gear. The Bombadil has an 18 low, but it weighs 40 pounds. The drivetrain on my Black Mountain is pretty flexible. I could have it geared down in the 22 range in about 20 minutes with parts on the shelves in my garage. It's always good to be prepared. On Saturday, August 9, 2014 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, ted wrote: Nope. I thought you might want something smaller than a 35 gear there. As in a reason to want lower than 35 on a road bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Destroyed my front d on a ride just days before my solo PDX-Lost Coast-SF tour. Kept it in the middle until i hit the climb out of Ferndale, placing it- by hand-back to the middle guy after getting onto Hwy 1. No big deal. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 3:14:19 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: Of course I would way rather buy direct from White. Their stuff has always been great and I'd prefer to support them directly. I'm trying to think if anyone else makes WI compatible rings of any sort. It could be WI has IP protection for the ring/arm interface and will not license. Just thinking out loud here. I have no knowledge one way or the other. Certainly would be happy to use a Wolf Tooth ring on a WI crank. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
There's a MeetYourMaker ride starting/ending at White Industries this coming Saturday at 10AM, with a tour of the plant somewhere in there. If you can gear it up tomorrow and get there in time, there's tacos and beer when you're done. http://meetyourmakertour.com/rides/aug-9-2014/ Peter Adler *trying to decide if I can be alert enough early enough to drive 50 miles to Petaluma for a 20-45 mile ride* Berkeley, CA/USA On Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:03:22 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: I could rig a 44/39 pretty easily I think, depending on BCD, and I have a 17t WI cog. A 22t FW would give the 5 tooth difference. We ride over to White Industries World Headquarters, I buy a 22t FW, and spin it on while you explain the concept. Ride out to the Tin Bar, discuss it over a pint. Flip the wheel and ride up Stage Gulch. Flip again at the top. Ride down Adobe to Manor, flip again for the Manor climb. Ride back to the new tasting room across from Lagunitas, discuss further. This would be fun even if no one at White was interested in the demonstration... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Perfect time to show White the 5t dingle concept... Philip www.biketinker.com On Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:48:45 PM UTC-7, Peter Adler wrote: There's a MeetYourMaker ride starting/ending at White Industries this coming Saturday at 10AM, with a tour of the plant somewhere in there. If you can gear it up tomorrow and get there in time, there's tacos and beer when you're done. http://meetyourmakertour.com/rides/aug-9-2014/ Peter Adler *trying to decide if I can be alert enough early enough to drive 50 miles to Petaluma for a 20-45 mile ride* Berkeley, CA/USA On Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:03:22 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: I could rig a 44/39 pretty easily I think, depending on BCD, and I have a 17t WI cog. A 22t FW would give the 5 tooth difference. We ride over to White Industries World Headquarters, I buy a 22t FW, and spin it on while you explain the concept. Ride out to the Tin Bar, discuss it over a pint. Flip the wheel and ride up Stage Gulch. Flip again at the top. Ride down Adobe to Manor, flip again for the Manor climb. Ride back to the new tasting room across from Lagunitas, discuss further. This would be fun even if no one at White was interested in the demonstration... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
One detail I had missed: White Industries absolutely does make an adapter ring that allows you to run a SRAM XX1chainring on your VBC (or ENO) arms. So, if you want to build up a 1xwhatever, and want to use White crankarms and want wide-narrow chainring technology, then you absolutely can do it. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:44:26 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I think White Industries can afford to offer a wide/narrow chainring for exactly the reasons you say that they can't afford to. To CNC a chainring, they need a CNC mill, the right materials, tooling and fixturing suitable to hold the material, and a competent CNC operator. They already have all those things. The only investment is a design, which is not nothing, but it's also not a huge monetary expense. It's Doug sitting at the CAD station and deciding to fire out a design. It's nothing like a derailleur. From the CNC manufacturing perspective, the tooth profile is a decorative feature. Just like if there was a hot new trend in 10mm pitch chains, White could react if they wanted to with a couple tweaks to existing design templates. The risk of doing any of these things is mainly deciding whether people would buy them or would you be stuck recycling a lot of inventory. Actual physical infrastructure investment would be nearly zero, which is why I am optimistic that it could happen. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:12:21 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: That is too bad. With the rise of 1x8/9/10 and now 11, I think they could really expand their customer base with a good wide-narrow option. Hopefully they change their mind in time. Agreed to a point. I like WI stuff. The more reasons to buy the better. I would love to have a WI crank on my 1X bike. However, product lines are always a challenge for a small manufacturing operation like WI. In order to join the 1X wave it is possible WI would need new equipment and employees. If their product misses or the trend dies before the investments pay off it could be quite a blow to their viability. Not quite the same thing, but a while back there was a good article about the Paul Rear Der that for a while in the '90s was the hottest thing going. Despite demand and customers willing to pay a premium, production challenges for such a small operation almost put Paul out of business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
What!? Really? Never heard or have seen one of those. Can you elaborate? On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: One detail I had missed: White Industries absolutely does make an adapter ring that allows you to run a SRAM XX1chainring on your VBC (or ENO) arms. So, if you want to build up a 1xwhatever, and want to use White crankarms and want wide-narrow chainring technology, then you absolutely can do it. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:44:26 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I think White Industries can afford to offer a wide/narrow chainring for exactly the reasons you say that they can't afford to. To CNC a chainring, they need a CNC mill, the right materials, tooling and fixturing suitable to hold the material, and a competent CNC operator. They already have all those things. The only investment is a design, which is not nothing, but it's also not a huge monetary expense. It's Doug sitting at the CAD station and deciding to fire out a design. It's nothing like a derailleur. From the CNC manufacturing perspective, the tooth profile is a decorative feature. Just like if there was a hot new trend in 10mm pitch chains, White could react if they wanted to with a couple tweaks to existing design templates. The risk of doing any of these things is mainly deciding whether people would buy them or would you be stuck recycling a lot of inventory. Actual physical infrastructure investment would be nearly zero, which is why I am optimistic that it could happen. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:12:21 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: That is too bad. With the rise of 1x8/9/10 and now 11, I think they could really expand their customer base with a good wide-narrow option. Hopefully they change their mind in time. Agreed to a point. I like WI stuff. The more reasons to buy the better. I would love to have a WI crank on my 1X bike. However, product lines are always a challenge for a small manufacturing operation like WI. In order to join the 1X wave it is possible WI would need new equipment and employees. If their product misses or the trend dies before the investments pay off it could be quite a blow to their viability. Not quite the same thing, but a while back there was a good article about the Paul Rear Der that for a while in the '90s was the hottest thing going. Despite demand and customers willing to pay a premium, production challenges for such a small operation almost put Paul out of business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Ah I see, must be referring to this device? http://www.singlespeed.nl/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=31products_id=1505osCsid=db29d7f9d6b8c788f8b18fcc8765ad3e That is very cool. Though it would be a bummer to have WI cranks without their cool rings to match. On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote: What!? Really? Never heard or have seen one of those. Can you elaborate? On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: One detail I had missed: White Industries absolutely does make an adapter ring that allows you to run a SRAM XX1chainring on your VBC (or ENO) arms. So, if you want to build up a 1xwhatever, and want to use White crankarms and want wide-narrow chainring technology, then you absolutely can do it. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:44:26 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I think White Industries can afford to offer a wide/narrow chainring for exactly the reasons you say that they can't afford to. To CNC a chainring, they need a CNC mill, the right materials, tooling and fixturing suitable to hold the material, and a competent CNC operator. They already have all those things. The only investment is a design, which is not nothing, but it's also not a huge monetary expense. It's Doug sitting at the CAD station and deciding to fire out a design. It's nothing like a derailleur. From the CNC manufacturing perspective, the tooth profile is a decorative feature. Just like if there was a hot new trend in 10mm pitch chains, White could react if they wanted to with a couple tweaks to existing design templates. The risk of doing any of these things is mainly deciding whether people would buy them or would you be stuck recycling a lot of inventory. Actual physical infrastructure investment would be nearly zero, which is why I am optimistic that it could happen. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:12:21 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: That is too bad. With the rise of 1x8/9/10 and now 11, I think they could really expand their customer base with a good wide-narrow option. Hopefully they change their mind in time. Agreed to a point. I like WI stuff. The more reasons to buy the better. I would love to have a WI crank on my 1X bike. However, product lines are always a challenge for a small manufacturing operation like WI. In order to join the 1X wave it is possible WI would need new equipment and employees. If their product misses or the trend dies before the investments pay off it could be quite a blow to their viability. Not quite the same thing, but a while back there was a good article about the Paul Rear Der that for a while in the '90s was the hottest thing going. Despite demand and customers willing to pay a premium, production challenges for such a small operation almost put Paul out of business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Wow. I had no idea. Wonderful. On Friday, August 8, 2014 2:35:26 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote: Ah I see, must be referring to this device? http://www.singlespeed.nl/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=31products_id=1505osCsid=db29d7f9d6b8c788f8b18fcc8765ad3e That is very cool. Though it would be a bummer to have WI cranks without their cool rings to match. On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Mark Reimer markn...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: What!? Really? Never heard or have seen one of those. Can you elaborate? On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: One detail I had missed: White Industries absolutely does make an adapter ring that allows you to run a SRAM XX1chainring on your VBC (or ENO) arms. So, if you want to build up a 1xwhatever, and want to use White crankarms and want wide-narrow chainring technology, then you absolutely can do it. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:44:26 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I think White Industries can afford to offer a wide/narrow chainring for exactly the reasons you say that they can't afford to. To CNC a chainring, they need a CNC mill, the right materials, tooling and fixturing suitable to hold the material, and a competent CNC operator. They already have all those things. The only investment is a design, which is not nothing, but it's also not a huge monetary expense. It's Doug sitting at the CAD station and deciding to fire out a design. It's nothing like a derailleur. From the CNC manufacturing perspective, the tooth profile is a decorative feature. Just like if there was a hot new trend in 10mm pitch chains, White could react if they wanted to with a couple tweaks to existing design templates. The risk of doing any of these things is mainly deciding whether people would buy them or would you be stuck recycling a lot of inventory. Actual physical infrastructure investment would be nearly zero, which is why I am optimistic that it could happen. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:12:21 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: That is too bad. With the rise of 1x8/9/10 and now 11, I think they could really expand their customer base with a good wide-narrow option. Hopefully they change their mind in time. Agreed to a point. I like WI stuff. The more reasons to buy the better. I would love to have a WI crank on my 1X bike. However, product lines are always a challenge for a small manufacturing operation like WI. In order to join the 1X wave it is possible WI would need new equipment and employees. If their product misses or the trend dies before the investments pay off it could be quite a blow to their viability. Not quite the same thing, but a while back there was a good article about the Paul Rear Der that for a while in the '90s was the hottest thing going. Despite demand and customers willing to pay a premium, production challenges for such a small operation almost put Paul out of business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
It's $50 MSRP on the White Industries pricelist, and so any LBS that orders from White should be able to get it for you. I wonder if I could show up at MyM and talk them out of one? On Friday, August 8, 2014 12:50:49 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: Wow. I had no idea. Wonderful. On Friday, August 8, 2014 2:35:26 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote: Ah I see, must be referring to this device? http://www.singlespeed.nl/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=31products_id=1505osCsid=db29d7f9d6b8c788f8b18fcc8765ad3e That is very cool. Though it would be a bummer to have WI cranks without their cool rings to match. On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Mark Reimer markn...@gmail.com wrote: What!? Really? Never heard or have seen one of those. Can you elaborate? On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote: One detail I had missed: White Industries absolutely does make an adapter ring that allows you to run a SRAM XX1chainring on your VBC (or ENO) arms. So, if you want to build up a 1xwhatever, and want to use White crankarms and want wide-narrow chainring technology, then you absolutely can do it. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:44:26 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I think White Industries can afford to offer a wide/narrow chainring for exactly the reasons you say that they can't afford to. To CNC a chainring, they need a CNC mill, the right materials, tooling and fixturing suitable to hold the material, and a competent CNC operator. They already have all those things. The only investment is a design, which is not nothing, but it's also not a huge monetary expense. It's Doug sitting at the CAD station and deciding to fire out a design. It's nothing like a derailleur. From the CNC manufacturing perspective, the tooth profile is a decorative feature. Just like if there was a hot new trend in 10mm pitch chains, White could react if they wanted to with a couple tweaks to existing design templates. The risk of doing any of these things is mainly deciding whether people would buy them or would you be stuck recycling a lot of inventory. Actual physical infrastructure investment would be nearly zero, which is why I am optimistic that it could happen. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:12:21 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: That is too bad. With the rise of 1x8/9/10 and now 11, I think they could really expand their customer base with a good wide-narrow option. Hopefully they change their mind in time. Agreed to a point. I like WI stuff. The more reasons to buy the better. I would love to have a WI crank on my 1X bike. However, product lines are always a challenge for a small manufacturing operation like WI. In order to join the 1X wave it is possible WI would need new equipment and employees. If their product misses or the trend dies before the investments pay off it could be quite a blow to their viability. Not quite the same thing, but a while back there was a good article about the Paul Rear Der that for a while in the '90s was the hottest thing going. Despite demand and customers willing to pay a premium, production challenges for such a small operation almost put Paul out of business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Bill, have you been up say Welch Creek rd. off Calaveras? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
That is too bad. With the rise of 1x8/9/10 and now 11, I think they could really expand their customer base with a good wide-narrow option. Hopefully they change their mind in time. Agreed to a point. I like WI stuff. The more reasons to buy the better. I would love to have a WI crank on my 1X bike. However, product lines are always a challenge for a small manufacturing operation like WI. In order to join the 1X wave it is possible WI would need new equipment and employees. If their product misses or the trend dies before the investments pay off it could be quite a blow to their viability. Not quite the same thing, but a while back there was a good article about the Paul Rear Der that for a while in the '90s was the hottest thing going. Despite demand and customers willing to pay a premium, production challenges for such a small operation almost put Paul out of business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
I think White Industries can afford to offer a wide/narrow chainring for exactly the reasons you say that they can't afford to. To CNC a chainring, they need a CNC mill, the right materials, tooling and fixturing suitable to hold the material, and a competent CNC operator. They already have all those things. The only investment is a design, which is not nothing, but it's also not a huge monetary expense. It's Doug sitting at the CAD station and deciding to fire out a design. It's nothing like a derailleur. From the CNC manufacturing perspective, the tooth profile is a decorative feature. Just like if there was a hot new trend in 10mm pitch chains, White could react if they wanted to with a couple tweaks to existing design templates. The risk of doing any of these things is mainly deciding whether people would buy them or would you be stuck recycling a lot of inventory. Actual physical infrastructure investment would be nearly zero, which is why I am optimistic that it could happen. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:12:21 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: That is too bad. With the rise of 1x8/9/10 and now 11, I think they could really expand their customer base with a good wide-narrow option. Hopefully they change their mind in time. Agreed to a point. I like WI stuff. The more reasons to buy the better. I would love to have a WI crank on my 1X bike. However, product lines are always a challenge for a small manufacturing operation like WI. In order to join the 1X wave it is possible WI would need new equipment and employees. If their product misses or the trend dies before the investments pay off it could be quite a blow to their viability. Not quite the same thing, but a while back there was a good article about the Paul Rear Der that for a while in the '90s was the hottest thing going. Despite demand and customers willing to pay a premium, production challenges for such a small operation almost put Paul out of business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
I like the 4 tooth difference, since I have 17/21 Surly Dingle cogs on two bikes, which gives 67.5 and 50 with 42/38 rings. That seems low on the top end, but seems to work. I also have a 15t on the flip side for a 76.5 gear. That spread works for my riding, where a 2 or 3 tooth gap does not. The 4t difference is minimally viable for road/offroad, or flat/climbing. For me. Ideally... a FIVE tooth difference, 43/38 x 16/21 would give me EXACTLY what I want: 73.4 and 49.4 with 38mm tires. It would also give White a fixed or freewheel cog with a greater range than Surly, which would be another differentiator to justify the higher price. I think White's ENO line is focused on off-road singlespeeding, not on-road or all-round riding. Philip www.biketinker.com On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 7:53:13 PM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote: Philip, I definitely know what you mean and heartily second your idea for a 'Road double-double'... Wouldn't it be possible to do a wider than 4T delta if they mirrored it in the back? Like a 34x22 and 40x16... The options are endless, I understand why they have to focus on a limited set of options given their scale. Great cranks though! :) On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Mark Reimer markn...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: That is too bad. With the rise of 1x8/9/10 and now 11, I think they could really expand their customer base with a good wide-narrow option. Hopefully they change their mind in time. On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Matthew J matth...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: They replied already, saying that they have discussed it internally, but there is no specific plan in place at the moment. I think White's mindset is more single speed where wide/narrow does not make a difference. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Tinker, I think that's brilliant. Let's ride out to Petaluma and pitch it to them. To make a 16/21 dos freewheel, the just need to make the drivering. Heck, we might be able to make one ourselves. otherwise you can run dual single freewheels on a flipflop. you can easily do 43/38 today with a 110bcd crank. we should ride our proof of concept bikes out there and talk them into it over a few beverages. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
I think White Industries can afford to offer a wide/narrow chainring for exactly the reasons you say that they can't afford to... Well, I certainly hope you are right. As should be clear I am both a WI and 1X fan. . Still, I wonder whether it will happen. CAM is certainly not as complicated as tooling a mold to forge parts but it still takes equipment and time. WI already makes a lot of stuff as it is. I've waited up to two months for WI product to show up at the LBS. Adding more chainrings to an already healthy assortment will put additional strain on the system. With luck WI is up to it already and will have something out soon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
On that note, I wonder if it's any more likely that a third party would make compatible wide-narrow rings. I have noticed there are at least one or two other direct-mount wide-narrow ring manufacturers out there, making rings for SRAM's XO/1x11 system, but I guess the demand is much higher for that than WI stuff. I know Home Brewed Components used to make aftermarket rings, but from what I gather that company is basically non-existant now. Of course I would way rather buy direct from White. Their stuff has always been great and I'd prefer to support them directly. On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: I think White Industries can afford to offer a wide/narrow chainring for exactly the reasons you say that they can't afford to... Well, I certainly hope you are right. As should be clear I am both a WI and 1X fan. . Still, I wonder whether it will happen. CAM is certainly not as complicated as tooling a mold to forge parts but it still takes equipment and time. WI already makes a lot of stuff as it is. I've waited up to two months for WI product to show up at the LBS. Adding more chainrings to an already healthy assortment will put additional strain on the system. With luck WI is up to it already and will have something out soon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
For sure *if* their CNC mill is already running at full capacity, *then* they need more capacity in order to expand their offerings and supply more parts. To me it's all about their perception of a need (do 1x riders really drop their chain with our current parts?), followed by a willingness to fill that need (Let's steal RaceFace's lunch money!) and then executing a design. The manufacturing part will take care of itself after that. From what Lynette said, they have only discussed the need, but haven't done anything about it yet. That gets me thinking... I have a VBC crankset on my road bike. It's a 44/30. I could just remove the front derailer and the 30T ring, and put on a bigger cassette. Maybe borrow the Rivvy 12-34 from my Hillborne. That would give me a 1x9 with gears of: 35,42,50,57,66,74,85,91,99 What else would I possibly need on a road bike? On Thursday, August 7, 2014 2:02:51 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: I think White Industries can afford to offer a wide/narrow chainring for exactly the reasons you say that they can't afford to... Well, I certainly hope you are right. As should be clear I am both a WI and 1X fan. . Still, I wonder whether it will happen. CAM is certainly not as complicated as tooling a mold to forge parts but it still takes equipment and time. WI already makes a lot of stuff as it is. I've waited up to two months for WI product to show up at the LBS. Adding more chainrings to an already healthy assortment will put additional strain on the system. With luck WI is up to it already and will have something out soon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
I have a VBC crankset on my road bike. It's a 44/30. I could just remove the front derailer and the 30T ring, and put on a bigger cassette. Maybe borrow the Rivvy 12-34 from my Hillborne. That would give me a 1x9 with gears of: 35,42,50,57,66,74,85,91,99 That's what I'm thinking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Of course I would way rather buy direct from White. Their stuff has always been great and I'd prefer to support them directly. I'm trying to think if anyone else makes WI compatible rings of any sort. It could be WI has IP protection for the ring/arm interface and will not license. Just thinking out loud here. I have no knowledge one way or the other. Certainly would be happy to use a Wolf Tooth ring on a WI crank. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
I could rig a 44/39 pretty easily I think, depending on BCD, and I have a 17t WI cog. A 22t FW would give the 5 tooth difference. We ride over to White Industries World Headquarters, I buy a 22t FW, and spin it on while you explain the concept. Ride out to the Tin Bar, discuss it over a pint. Flip the wheel and ride up Stage Gulch. Flip again at the top. Ride down Adobe to Manor, flip again for the Manor climb. Ride back to the new tasting room across from Lagunitas, discuss further. This would be fun even if no one at White was interested in the demonstration... Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Mark, Great info on the Wolf Tooth (I also love the name!). I had looked at these rings before the WI crank fell into my lap... I might look at one of those for my single speed although I haven't had any chain keeping issues. I was also looking at the surly stainless rings as they have tall tooth profiles and aren't ramped/pinned. I can't tell you all how oddly satisfying it is to look down at the single chainring crank. It shouldn't really fascinate me as much as it does... I do feel that my 1x8 shifting is crisper since the new crank but I also replaced the cassette and chain so the cause of the better shifting is definitely spread among those multiple upgrades. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Ah right, I forgot you had the WI crank. With the increasing number of companies doing the wide-narrow rings, I'm really hoping WI will do their own version some day. On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, Great info on the Wolf Tooth (I also love the name!). I had looked at these rings before the WI crank fell into my lap... I might look at one of those for my single speed although I haven't had any chain keeping issues. I was also looking at the surly stainless rings as they have tall tooth profiles and aren't ramped/pinned. I can't tell you all how oddly satisfying it is to look down at the single chainring crank. It shouldn't really fascinate me as much as it does... I do feel that my 1x8 shifting is crisper since the new crank but I also replaced the cassette and chain so the cause of the better shifting is definitely spread among those multiple upgrades. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
I just emailed White Industries with exactly that question: whether they'd ever offer a wide/narrow ring. It's a natural for folks like them. I'll post if I hear back On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 11:38:04 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: Ah right, I forgot you had the WI crank. With the increasing number of companies doing the wide-narrow rings, I'm really hoping WI will do their own version some day. On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Mark, Great info on the Wolf Tooth (I also love the name!). I had looked at these rings before the WI crank fell into my lap... I might look at one of those for my single speed although I haven't had any chain keeping issues. I was also looking at the surly stainless rings as they have tall tooth profiles and aren't ramped/pinned. I can't tell you all how oddly satisfying it is to look down at the single chainring crank. It shouldn't really fascinate me as much as it does... I do feel that my 1x8 shifting is crisper since the new crank but I also replaced the cassette and chain so the cause of the better shifting is definitely spread among those multiple upgrades. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Yes! That looks so hot. I was surprised at the feel of the White Industries cranks, too. They feel stronger, straighter, truer, and more 'engaged' than any other crank I've used. Back to back, Shimano 44t switched to WI 44t, ridden within minutes of each other, the White cranks felt better. More ahh, and more yes! Philip www.biketinker.com On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 9:30:36 PM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote: A triumphant return to this thread... so after noodling through (with all your assistance) my 1xN thoughts I doubled down by shortening my chain on the existing Sugino triple and continuing to ride throughout the month of June and July. I never missed my big or small ring and was getting pretty used to the 36T main ring but often felt I could go w/ a slightly higher #T in the front. Even with the shortened chain I continued to get chain hop on the front end, mostly with a ghost shift up to the big 46T chain ring when I was in the higher/smaller gear in the back. It was actually pretty consistent even w/ a fairly short chain. I was just about to order a set of Surly Stainless chainrings, 40 or 42T when I go the opportunity to trade in my (useless to me) 180mm WI Eno crank along with some other goodies for a 175 mm WI Eno crank, installed 44T SS chainring and some other goodies. WOW this crank/chainring is sweet. I love the look both from on and off the bike and I love the feel. I went ahead and changed out the chain and cassette at the same time. The Saluki does deserve a new derailleur at some point but this exage salvaged off my XO-3's original equipment is doing fine for now. So far so good w/ chain jump, I may end up adding a Paul chain keeper just in case but for now the combo of SS chainring and new chain is working good and solid. http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2014/08/new-drivetrain-feeling.html https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zjS5Ygj609A/U-GvQCibGoI/FKg/IHTL9WdisS4/s1600/1982+Trex+6xx+%281+of+3%29.jpg https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bON_-yH2J2Q/U-GvU9pvzdI/FKo/UD4JVRrEuTM/s1600/1982+Trex+6xx+%282+of+3%29.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
I too hope that they do, even though I've had zero chain-losing issues with my WI 1x9. I also think they should make a road double-double in 38/42, but haven't pinged them about it. Philip www.biketinker.com On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:42:22 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I just emailed White Industries with exactly that question: whether they'd ever offer a wide/narrow ring. It's a natural for folks like them. I'll post if I hear back On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 11:38:04 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: Ah right, I forgot you had the WI crank. With the increasing number of companies doing the wide-narrow rings, I'm really hoping WI will do their own version some day. On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, Great info on the Wolf Tooth (I also love the name!). I had looked at these rings before the WI crank fell into my lap... I might look at one of those for my single speed although I haven't had any chain keeping issues. I was also looking at the surly stainless rings as they have tall tooth profiles and aren't ramped/pinned. I can't tell you all how oddly satisfying it is to look down at the single chainring crank. It shouldn't really fascinate me as much as it does... I do feel that my 1x8 shifting is crisper since the new crank but I also replaced the cassette and chain so the cause of the better shifting is definitely spread among those multiple upgrades. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
They replied already, saying that they have discussed it internally, but there is no specific plan in place at the moment. On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 3:47:20 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: I too hope that they do, even though I've had zero chain-losing issues with my WI 1x9. I also think they should make a road double-double in 38/42, but haven't pinged them about it. Philip www.biketinker.com On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:42:22 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I just emailed White Industries with exactly that question: whether they'd ever offer a wide/narrow ring. It's a natural for folks like them. I'll post if I hear back On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 11:38:04 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: Ah right, I forgot you had the WI crank. With the increasing number of companies doing the wide-narrow rings, I'm really hoping WI will do their own version some day. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
They replied already, saying that they have discussed it internally, but there is no specific plan in place at the moment. I think White's mindset is more single speed where wide/narrow does not make a difference. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Meant to add - WT has a few out of the ordinary compatibles, wonder if they might be inclined to do a WI. On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 8:31:44 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote: They replied already, saying that they have discussed it internally, but there is no specific plan in place at the moment. I think White's mindset is more single speed where wide/narrow does not make a difference. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
That is too bad. With the rise of 1x8/9/10 and now 11, I think they could really expand their customer base with a good wide-narrow option. Hopefully they change their mind in time. On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: They replied already, saying that they have discussed it internally, but there is no specific plan in place at the moment. I think White's mindset is more single speed where wide/narrow does not make a difference. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Philip, I definitely know what you mean and heartily second your idea for a 'Road double-double'... Wouldn't it be possible to do a wider than 4T delta if they mirrored it in the back? Like a 34x22 and 40x16... The options are endless, I understand why they have to focus on a limited set of options given their scale. Great cranks though! :) On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote: That is too bad. With the rise of 1x8/9/10 and now 11, I think they could really expand their customer base with a good wide-narrow option. Hopefully they change their mind in time. On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: They replied already, saying that they have discussed it internally, but there is no specific plan in place at the moment. I think White's mindset is more single speed where wide/narrow does not make a difference. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
A triumphant return to this thread... so after noodling through (with all your assistance) my 1xN thoughts I doubled down by shortening my chain on the existing Sugino triple and continuing to ride throughout the month of June and July. I never missed my big or small ring and was getting pretty used to the 36T main ring but often felt I could go w/ a slightly higher #T in the front. Even with the shortened chain I continued to get chain hop on the front end, mostly with a ghost shift up to the big 46T chain ring when I was in the higher/smaller gear in the back. It was actually pretty consistent even w/ a fairly short chain. I was just about to order a set of Surly Stainless chainrings, 40 or 42T when I go the opportunity to trade in my (useless to me) 180mm WI Eno crank along with some other goodies for a 175 mm WI Eno crank, installed 44T SS chainring and some other goodies. WOW this crank/chainring is sweet. I love the look both from on and off the bike and I love the feel. I went ahead and changed out the chain and cassette at the same time. The Saluki does deserve a new derailleur at some point but this exage salvaged off my XO-3's original equipment is doing fine for now. So far so good w/ chain jump, I may end up adding a Paul chain keeper just in case but for now the combo of SS chainring and new chain is working good and solid. http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2014/08/new-drivetrain-feeling.html https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zjS5Ygj609A/U-GvQCibGoI/FKg/IHTL9WdisS4/s1600/1982+Trex+6xx+%281+of+3%29.jpg https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bON_-yH2J2Q/U-GvU9pvzdI/FKo/UD4JVRrEuTM/s1600/1982+Trex+6xx+%282+of+3%29.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Come on now, Philip... Hatred is not part of my being; only love. I just love my triple more than your ENO, that's all :) Peace, Bobby -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Yes ! I love my left hand, and I love using it :) I'd rather have a 5 speed cogset and a double or triple than one of those all right hand systems. Better chainline, no dish wheels :) This all-rightness is right-eousness taken to the literal ! To me, it's a way of re-acting to make some peace out of those silly 9-11 speed cassettes ;)Before they existed, I heard no clamoring for 10 or 11 speed clusters ! Now where do they go ? 12,13 14 , 20 ? Ahahahaahahaha ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Why not a one by 5? That's what I have on my commuter / light tourer. On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:03:00 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote: Yes ! I love my left hand, and I love using it :) I'd rather have a 5 speed cogset and a double or triple than one of those all right hand systems. Better chainline, no dish wheels :) This all-rightness is right-eousness taken to the literal ! To me, it's a way of re-acting to make some peace out of those silly 9-11 speed cassettes ;)Before they existed, I heard no clamoring for 10 or 11 speed clusters ! Now where do they go ? 12,13 14 , 20 ? Ahahahaahahaha ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Chain is probably too long, but am too lazy to fix it - D'oh, thats the sound of my hand smacking my forehead...I never adjusted my chain length when I made the change... chain falling off = chain to loose. Thanks Eric! I'm going to give this a try this evening. I did make it into work with no chain issue though. Patrick - Thank you for the links, the n-gear 'what-is' page in particular makes alot of sense. Chris, Benz, Matthew - Looks like I'm in good company with you all in your use of 1xN for general commuting! Either that N Stop or the third eye is probably in my future. I think I'm sold on the 1xN setup for myself. In fact I like it so much I may be going the same route on my wife's city bike as well, she never uses the front shifter anyway but it does sometimes get bumped. I'll provide some pictures when I get my setup settled out. Thanks everyone! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
I don't quite understand what to me seems like a growing aversion to the front derailleur. Virtually all of my mountain biking friends (except me) seem to be switching to 1x10, swearing it's the greatest innovation since... well since the front derailleur (hah!). If simplicity is what you seek, then fine... run a basic drive train, whether single speed, or a 1 by whatever . But I seem to be hearing of more people trying to get along *without* a front derailleur as if it's like giving up gluten or dairy (simply because they're hearing from others there may be benefit to it). Is this more fashion than function? Are we being lulled by the industry into swapping out our 2x and 3x in favor of a whole new generation of 1x drivetrains? I'm not into conspiracy theories, but this one (to me) doesn't resonate with the logical side of my brain (I must be getting old or just plain grouchy, I don't know...). The front derailleur serves a very deliberate (and valuable) purpose: It enables the use of double and triple chainrings, which in turn enables a wider gear range, AND better chain alignment. So what's the downside of that? Dropped chains? Poorly trimmed chain / derailleur rub? These can be caused by several factors, but the front derailleur itself is not one of them. I have bikes without front derailleurs (by design), and I love them as much as any bike. But I especially love the versatility and gear range I get from my front-derailleured bikes... Personally... I will be a FD-lover FOR LIFE! Peace, BB On Monday, June 16, 2014 10:03:44 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote: Chain is probably too long, but am too lazy to fix it - D'oh, thats the sound of my hand smacking my forehead...I never adjusted my chain length when I made the change... chain falling off = chain to loose. Thanks Eric! I'm going to give this a try this evening. I did make it into work with no chain issue though. Patrick - Thank you for the links, the n-gear 'what-is' page in particular makes alot of sense. Chris, Benz, Matthew - Looks like I'm in good company with you all in your use of 1xN for general commuting! Either that N Stop or the third eye is probably in my future. I think I'm sold on the 1xN setup for myself. In fact I like it so much I may be going the same route on my wife's city bike as well, she never uses the front shifter anyway but it does sometimes get bumped. I'll provide some pictures when I get my setup settled out. Thanks everyone! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Bobby - I'm sure it's a fad that industry has hyped just as I'm sure that the discussion back and forth over the past couple months on this board is what put the idea of experimenting without FD is why I tried it. For me the attraction is simplification, elimination of something that was seldom or never used, and an offshoot of my singlespeed experiment on the XO3... but I also just enjoy tinkering! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
It's easier to shift across your range of gears if you have only a rear cluster and a single ring. Whether that advantage is material depends on the individual rider. I personally like it, though I prefer drivetrains that are single ring + granny, an oxymoron that is not as moronic as first might appear since it gives you a range on the big ring sufficient for all but the steepest and least ridden hills. (Yes, I do consider the 39 on my Ram as a granny -- my small cog is a 16.) On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I don't quite understand what to me seems like a growing aversion to the front derailleur. Virtually all of my mountain biking friends (except me) seem to be switching to 1x10, swearing it's the greatest innovation since... well since the front derailleur (hah!). If simplicity is what you seek, then fine... run a basic drive train, whether single speed, or a 1 by whatever . But I seem to be hearing of more people trying to get along *without* a front derailleur as if it's like giving up gluten or dairy (simply because they're hearing from others there may be benefit to it). Is this more fashion than function? Are we being lulled by the industry into swapping out our 2x and 3x in favor of a whole new generation of 1x drivetrains? I'm not into conspiracy theories, but this one (to me) doesn't resonate with the logical side of my brain (I must be getting old or just plain grouchy, I don't know...). The front derailleur serves a very deliberate (and valuable) purpose: It enables the use of double and triple chainrings, which in turn enables a wider gear range, AND better chain alignment. So what's the downside of that? Dropped chains? Poorly trimmed chain / derailleur rub? These can be caused by several factors, but the front derailleur itself is not one of them. I have bikes without front derailleurs (by design), and I love them as much as any bike. But I especially love the versatility and gear range I get from my front-derailleured bikes... Personally... I will be a FD-lover FOR LIFE! Peace, BB On Monday, June 16, 2014 10:03:44 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote: Chain is probably too long, but am too lazy to fix it - D'oh, thats the sound of my hand smacking my forehead...I never adjusted my chain length when I made the change... chain falling off = chain to loose. Thanks Eric! I'm going to give this a try this evening. I did make it into work with no chain issue though. Patrick - Thank you for the links, the n-gear 'what-is' page in particular makes alot of sense. Chris, Benz, Matthew - Looks like I'm in good company with you all in your use of 1xN for general commuting! Either that N Stop or the third eye is probably in my future. I think I'm sold on the 1xN setup for myself. In fact I like it so much I may be going the same route on my wife's city bike as well, she never uses the front shifter anyway but it does sometimes get bumped. I'll provide some pictures when I get my setup settled out. Thanks everyone! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
But I seem to be hearing of more people trying to get along *without* a front derailleur as if it's like giving up gluten or dairy (simply because they're hearing from others there may be benefit to it). Is this more fashion than function? Are we being lulled by the industry into swapping out our 2x and 3x in favor of a whole new generation of 1x drivetrains? I'm not into conspiracy theories, but this one (to me) doesn't resonate with the logical side of my brain (I must be getting old or just plain grouchy, I don't know...). I can't speak for the others. As for me the conversion came during a four day southwest Wisconsin tour a few years back where on the fourth day I noticed I had not shifted to the second ring (I've not had a bike with a triple for a long time) once the entire trip. It occurred to me if I was not using something it made no sense to have it there in the first place. Experiments followed. Now I am happy with my 1x5. Other than the TA Carmina and chain, my drive trains have always been vintage, so I do not think marketing played a role in my decision. In many situations, you can go to a 1x set up without buying a new crank. Find the ring position that gives the best chain line (inner for me with the 130, I am assuming middle for triples but may be wrong as I have not tried personally) and go from there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
I see what you mean Bobby. Maybe the next one will be people celebrating: I've managed to survive without a rear brake! Yay! The one time I was heavily into a 1x6 drivetrain was my college commute bike. It was the late 1980s, and I was a poor shop mechanic. I did everything I possibly could to my commute bike that was A. free and B. made my bike lighter. One incarnation build around a mid 1980s Cannondale briefly dipped below 16lbs. The next incarnatioon, built up in grad school, was built around a Vitus Carbone, and that one was in the 14.5lb range. On Monday, June 16, 2014 7:26:25 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: I don't quite understand what to me seems like a growing aversion to the front derailleur. Virtually all of my mountain biking friends (except me) seem to be switching to 1x10, swearing it's the greatest innovation since... well since the front derailleur (hah!). If simplicity is what you seek, then fine... run a basic drive train, whether single speed, or a 1 by whatever . But I seem to be hearing of more people trying to get along *without* a front derailleur as if it's like giving up gluten or dairy (simply because they're hearing from others there may be benefit to it). Is this more fashion than function? Are we being lulled by the industry into swapping out our 2x and 3x in favor of a whole new generation of 1x drivetrains? I'm not into conspiracy theories, but this one (to me) doesn't resonate with the logical side of my brain (I must be getting old or just plain grouchy, I don't know...). The front derailleur serves a very deliberate (and valuable) purpose: It enables the use of double and triple chainrings, which in turn enables a wider gear range, AND better chain alignment. So what's the downside of that? Dropped chains? Poorly trimmed chain / derailleur rub? These can be caused by several factors, but the front derailleur itself is not one of them. I have bikes without front derailleurs (by design), and I love them as much as any bike. But I especially love the versatility and gear range I get from my front-derailleured bikes... Personally... I will be a FD-lover FOR LIFE! Peace, BB On Monday, June 16, 2014 10:03:44 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote: Chain is probably too long, but am too lazy to fix it - D'oh, thats the sound of my hand smacking my forehead...I never adjusted my chain length when I made the change... chain falling off = chain to loose. Thanks Eric! I'm going to give this a try this evening. I did make it into work with no chain issue though. Patrick - Thank you for the links, the n-gear 'what-is' page in particular makes alot of sense. Chris, Benz, Matthew - Looks like I'm in good company with you all in your use of 1xN for general commuting! Either that N Stop or the third eye is probably in my future. I think I'm sold on the 1xN setup for myself. In fact I like it so much I may be going the same route on my wife's city bike as well, she never uses the front shifter anyway but it does sometimes get bumped. I'll provide some pictures when I get my setup settled out. Thanks everyone! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: But I seem to be hearing of more people trying to get along *without* a front derailleur as if it's like giving up gluten or dairy (simply because they're hearing from others there may be benefit to it). Is this more fashion than function? out https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I am interested in the concept but I don't think it's fully baked at this point in time if people are having the chain jump off when they are using the gears at the edge of the cassettes. I'd also like to use SRAM's setup with the big 42 bailout gear in the back if I were to have no shifting in the front. Heck, I'm running a triple now on all my bikes though, I think going to a wide range double would probably be something I would want to try first before going to a wide-er single. With my triple I tend to shift multiple gears on the back cluster pretty often, making me think that I could easily handle a wider range casette in the back, and also only two ranges in the front. But cranksets aren't free, so for now I am sticking with what I've got as it works well enough. Only real problem is that the Riv tends to either toss the chain off the top or the bottom, no matter what I do. It's done this with 4 different cranksets and many, many chains. I think maybe it's a function of the geometry of my extremely large bike, seat tube 69cm C-T and TT 64CM. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
my best bike buddy has a quad on his Fisher MB, 18T on the small ring. He never really uses it and claims he can't quite keep his balance with it. On Monday, June 16, 2014 12:57:57 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: This is what we all need: http://abundantadventures.com/quads.html In an effort to achieve perfect simplicity -- which in my case meant having one bike that did everything perfectly -- I installed one of these; this back circa 1990. Neither it nor the one bike perfect for everything worked very well (though others seem to like the Quad). So in despair I went to fixed gear drivetrains. Seriously, Patrick is right: it's all an attempt to balance features and simplicity. Perhaps the answer is, instead of 4 chainrings, to have 4 fixed gear bicycles. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Here's how I see it: the front derailer question is simply a specific expression of the quest for balance between functionality and simplicity. We've all chosen Rivendells, and at least some of us did so because of the benefits of steel and Grant's brilliance with geometry -- aka expressions of the balance between functionality and simplicity. Single speed/fixed is another expression of that quest. So is the front derailure. I'm still curious to see how I do only using my middle chain ring on the Hunqapillar bikepacking this summer (my broken rib has delayed the experiment's start till July). If the answer is Yup, 36 front ring is all you need then I'll explore the best ways to achieve that. I do find it bothersome having the shifter move whenever I lay down the bike. So there is practical simplicity in the moment to moment experience of the ride. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
This is what we all need: http://abundantadventures.com/quads.html In an effort to achieve perfect simplicity -- which in my case meant having one bike that did everything perfectly -- I installed one of these; this back circa 1990. Neither it nor the one bike perfect for everything worked very well (though others seem to like the Quad). So in despair I went to fixed gear drivetrains. Seriously, Patrick is right: it's all an attempt to balance features and simplicity. Perhaps the answer is, instead of 4 chainrings, to have 4 fixed gear bicycles. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Here's how I see it: the front derailer question is simply a specific expression of the quest for balance between functionality and simplicity. We've all chosen Rivendells, and at least some of us did so because of the benefits of steel and Grant's brilliance with geometry -- aka expressions of the balance between functionality and simplicity. Single speed/fixed is another expression of that quest. So is the front derailure. I'm still curious to see how I do only using my middle chain ring on the Hunqapillar bikepacking this summer (my broken rib has delayed the experiment's start till July). If the answer is Yup, 36 front ring is all you need then I'll explore the best ways to achieve that. I do find it bothersome having the shifter move whenever I lay down the bike. So there is practical simplicity in the moment to moment experience of the ride. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Back in 1990 my sole bike was a Columbus Supergo mountain bike for which I had 3 wheelsets: off road, road errand, and road gofast, each with appropriate gearing and tires. I wanted to get even simpler with just one wheelset (but mount different tires) and run a 12-19 7, which was the preferred cogset for my gofast wheelset with 1 Turbos. The 38 and 48 would give me fine road gearing; the 16 t quad was an attempt to mimic the low gears possible with 28, a 14-32 cassette, and the knobbies. It worked after a fashion, but the fashion was not to my liking. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: my best bike buddy has a quad on his Fisher MB, 18T on the small ring. He never really uses it and claims he can't quite keep his balance with it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
I thought about you and your 1x hatred when I replaced my triple with an ENO crank! Worked great with the 12-25, but the 11-32 with the short chain seems to have jacked up my derailleur. Oops. I bought another 105 rd at the Riv garage sale, and I plan to single up the bike this weekend, but still. Oops. Philip www.biketinker.com On Monday, June 16, 2014 7:26:25 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: I don't quite understand what to me seems like a growing aversion to the front derailleur. Virtually all of my mountain biking friends (except me) seem to be switching to 1x10, swearing it's the greatest innovation since... well since the front derailleur (hah!). If simplicity is what you seek, then fine... run a basic drive train, whether single speed, or a 1 by whatever . But I seem to be hearing of more people trying to get along *without* a front derailleur as if it's like giving up gluten or dairy (simply because they're hearing from others there may be benefit to it). Is this more fashion than function? Are we being lulled by the industry into swapping out our 2x and 3x in favor of a whole new generation of 1x drivetrains? I'm not into conspiracy theories, but this one (to me) doesn't resonate with the logical side of my brain (I must be getting old or just plain grouchy, I don't know...). The front derailleur serves a very deliberate (and valuable) purpose: It enables the use of double and triple chainrings, which in turn enables a wider gear range, AND better chain alignment. So what's the downside of that? Dropped chains? Poorly trimmed chain / derailleur rub? These can be caused by several factors, but the front derailleur itself is not one of them. I have bikes without front derailleurs (by design), and I love them as much as any bike. But I especially love the versatility and gear range I get from my front-derailleured bikes... Personally... I will be a FD-lover FOR LIFE! Peace, BB On Monday, June 16, 2014 10:03:44 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote: Chain is probably too long, but am too lazy to fix it - D'oh, thats the sound of my hand smacking my forehead...I never adjusted my chain length when I made the change... chain falling off = chain to loose. Thanks Eric! I'm going to give this a try this evening. I did make it into work with no chain issue though. Patrick - Thank you for the links, the n-gear 'what-is' page in particular makes alot of sense. Chris, Benz, Matthew - Looks like I'm in good company with you all in your use of 1xN for general commuting! Either that N Stop or the third eye is probably in my future. I think I'm sold on the 1xN setup for myself. In fact I like it so much I may be going the same route on my wife's city bike as well, she never uses the front shifter anyway but it does sometimes get bumped. I'll provide some pictures when I get my setup settled out. Thanks everyone! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
For me, it was to make the Hillborne different from my other bikes. Also, it was what was on my Surly Cross Check when I stripped it of parts to build up the Hillborne. For winter in Minnesota, not having a front derailleur is an advantage. Even with full coverage fenders, that area gets caked with mud/slush/snow. One less thing to stop working. Eventually, would like to spend the money for a 1x10 setup with a 42t in the rear. But that may end up being purchased for my Surly Ogre. Lastly, it was laziness. One less derailleur and shifter to install and adjust when building the bike. Not a huge thing, but a thing anyway. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: But I seem to be hearing of more people trying to get along *without* a front derailleur as if it's like giving up gluten or dairy (simply because they're hearing from others there may be benefit to it). Is this more fashion than function? out https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I am interested in the concept but I don't think it's fully baked at this point in time if people are having the chain jump off when they are using the gears at the edge of the cassettes. I'd also like to use SRAM's setup with the big 42 bailout gear in the back if I were to have no shifting in the front. Heck, I'm running a triple now on all my bikes though, I think going to a wide range double would probably be something I would want to try first before going to a wide-er single. With my triple I tend to shift multiple gears on the back cluster pretty often, making me think that I could easily handle a wider range casette in the back, and also only two ranges in the front. But cranksets aren't free, so for now I am sticking with what I've got as it works well enough. Only real problem is that the Riv tends to either toss the chain off the top or the bottom, no matter what I do. It's done this with 4 different cranksets and many, many chains. I think maybe it's a function of the geometry of my extremely large bike, seat tube 69cm C-T and TT 64CM. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Hey Tony, if you do go 1xN, and your frame has downtube shifter braze-ons (i.e., not just a cable stop), you can consider putting the lovely Japanese Crane brass bell on the unused stud. The one with the spring-loaded hammer will screw on nicely and the bell will cover the ugly bare stud. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
I can't speak for others, but I only switched to a 1x8 after I noticed I'm entirely OK with my 3-speed Brompton for commuting purposes. I rarely spin out my 35x11 (Cat 6 racing, yay!) and I've not met a hill I can't climb with my 35x32, even with a sometimes heavy load (20 pounds of Lychees, laptop, files, clothes, plus, plus) on a fairly heavy commuter. But why even change? In the spirit that a utility bike should require as little maintenance as possible; there's something about optimizing a setup that appeals to me. And for fun! What good is it if it's not fun? :) For what it's worth, my other bikes all have at least doubles and more are slowly getting triples with 26T grannies as I slowly accept the fact that I'm not nearly as strong as I used to be. On Monday, June 16, 2014 7:26:25 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: I don't quite understand what to me seems like a growing aversion to the front derailleur. Virtually all of my mountain biking friends (except me) seem to be switching to 1x10, swearing it's the greatest innovation since... well since the front derailleur (hah!). If simplicity is what you seek, then fine... run a basic drive train, whether single speed, or a 1 by whatever . But I seem to be hearing of more people trying to get along *without* a front derailleur as if it's like giving up gluten or dairy (simply because they're hearing from others there may be benefit to it). Is this more fashion than function? Are we being lulled by the industry into swapping out our 2x and 3x in favor of a whole new generation of 1x drivetrains? I'm not into conspiracy theories, but this one (to me) doesn't resonate with the logical side of my brain (I must be getting old or just plain grouchy, I don't know...). The front derailleur serves a very deliberate (and valuable) purpose: It enables the use of double and triple chainrings, which in turn enables a wider gear range, AND better chain alignment. So what's the downside of that? Dropped chains? Poorly trimmed chain / derailleur rub? These can be caused by several factors, but the front derailleur itself is not one of them. I have bikes without front derailleurs (by design), and I love them as much as any bike. But I especially love the versatility and gear range I get from my front-derailleured bikes... Personally... I will be a FD-lover FOR LIFE! Peace, BB On Monday, June 16, 2014 10:03:44 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote: Chain is probably too long, but am too lazy to fix it - D'oh, thats the sound of my hand smacking my forehead...I never adjusted my chain length when I made the change... chain falling off = chain to loose. Thanks Eric! I'm going to give this a try this evening. I did make it into work with no chain issue though. Patrick - Thank you for the links, the n-gear 'what-is' page in particular makes alot of sense. Chris, Benz, Matthew - Looks like I'm in good company with you all in your use of 1xN for general commuting! Either that N Stop or the third eye is probably in my future. I think I'm sold on the 1xN setup for myself. In fact I like it so much I may be going the same route on my wife's city bike as well, she never uses the front shifter anyway but it does sometimes get bumped. I'll provide some pictures when I get my setup settled out. Thanks everyone! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Hey Garth, Really interesting points! I do need to look on the middle ring 'T clearance'. The frame I'm working with is the Saluki for this question though not the XO3. I've had 4 occurrences over 2 days of the chain coming off the 36T middle; 1. Came off entirely, onto the BB shell 2-3. 'downshifted' to the 24T ring 4. 'upshifted' to the 46T ring Honestly I don't remember alot of specifics but I was near the high or low rear cog in each of the instances and very often there was some kind of bump or sharp acceleration accompanying the issue. As for trimming the FD, its not a constant thing. Only when I move the rear chain line 3+ cog's usually... so not a terrible burden but definitely something I notice a couple times a ride. The lack of the FD has me shifting more boldly through 2-3 rear cogs at a time without having to think about adjusting my FD trim. This also might be something with the bar ends on drop bars, I'm not used to haveing to work both shifters simultaneously or near simultaneously in that handlebar setup whereas on the alba's or M-bars it was second nature. Tony On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I for one do see benefits to a FD. If you are trimming the FD often, it's either not setup correctly or the crankset is inherently wobbly, as in imperfect laterally . I own 5 Sugino's at the moment and they are all over in that regard. Using 2 or more rings, you can usually get the best chainline as opposed to one ring stretching out over 8 or 9 gears. I use 7 sp. FW and do use all 7 cogs with the 36t middle ring, but even then the 1 and 7 cog are a bit of stretch really. Not optimal but it does the job. 8 speeds surely don't make that any less of stretch. What cogs are you getting the chain slipping off your 36t ring Tony ? I've never had a chainring drop a chain that was not involved in moving im moving it up or down to another ring. That's a curious issue ! And before you consider a 40t middle ring, just make sure it will clear the stays first ! I don't know the XO3 frame, but my Bomba and I suppose a Hunqa frame you are limited to a 36t middle unless you get a wider BB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
I've run 1XNs with no throwing, but on road bikes with tight clusters where most riding is in the middle cogs. A quick search for chain retention calls up these, among others: http://www.ecovelo.info/category/product-reviews/page/3/ (scroll down). Home brew: http://forums.mtbr.com/drivetrain-shifters-derailleurs-cranks/1x9-conversion-w-coin-retention-device-406026.html . This one looks designed for brazed on fd mounts: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ethirteen-xcx-st-direct-mount-chain-retention-top-guide/ , Me, I had problems with the Fargo's chain falling off onto the bb shell when shifting from the middle to the granny; I installed a Jump Stop: http://n-gear.com/whatis.html. Mine is (still, I suppose; I forgot about it when I switched from a 46/36/24 to a 38/24) attached near the granny; not sure if it can be adjusted outward and upward to protect a middle ring. On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Garth, Really interesting points! I do need to look on the middle ring 'T clearance'. The frame I'm working with is the Saluki for this question though not the XO3. I've had 4 occurrences over 2 days of the chain coming off the 36T middle; 1. Came off entirely, onto the BB shell 2-3. 'downshifted' to the 24T ring 4. 'upshifted' to the 46T ring Honestly I don't remember alot of specifics but I was near the high or low rear cog in each of the instances and very often there was some kind of bump or sharp acceleration accompanying the issue. As for trimming the FD, its not a constant thing. Only when I move the rear chain line 3+ cog's usually... so not a terrible burden but definitely something I notice a couple times a ride. The lack of the FD has me shifting more boldly through 2-3 rear cogs at a time without having to think about adjusting my FD trim. This also might be something with the bar ends on drop bars, I'm not used to haveing to work both shifters simultaneously or near simultaneously in that handlebar setup whereas on the alba's or M-bars it was second nature. Tony On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I for one do see benefits to a FD. If you are trimming the FD often, it's either not setup correctly or the crankset is inherently wobbly, as in imperfect laterally . I own 5 Sugino's at the moment and they are all over in that regard. Using 2 or more rings, you can usually get the best chainline as opposed to one ring stretching out over 8 or 9 gears. I use 7 sp. FW and do use all 7 cogs with the 36t middle ring, but even then the 1 and 7 cog are a bit of stretch really. Not optimal but it does the job. 8 speeds surely don't make that any less of stretch. What cogs are you getting the chain slipping off your 36t ring Tony ? I've never had a chainring drop a chain that was not involved in moving im moving it up or down to another ring. That's a curious issue ! And before you consider a 40t middle ring, just make sure it will clear the stays first ! I don't know the XO3 frame, but my Bomba and I suppose a Hunqa frame you are limited to a 36t middle unless you get a wider BB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Over the past two years have had occasional chain drop on my 1x9 Hillborne. Usually over a hard bump. Figure with the 12-36 in back and a long cage derailleur, it's more likely to happen. Chain is probably too long, but am too lazy to fix it. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I've run 1XNs with no throwing, but on road bikes with tight clusters where most riding is in the middle cogs. A quick search for chain retention calls up these, among others: http://www.ecovelo.info/category/product-reviews/page/3/ (scroll down). Home brew: http://forums.mtbr.com/drivetrain-shifters-derailleurs-cranks/1x9-conversion-w-coin-retention-device-406026.html . This one looks designed for brazed on fd mounts: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ethirteen-xcx-st-direct-mount-chain-retention-top-guide/ , Me, I had problems with the Fargo's chain falling off onto the bb shell when shifting from the middle to the granny; I installed a Jump Stop: http://n-gear.com/whatis.html. Mine is (still, I suppose; I forgot about it when I switched from a 46/36/24 to a 38/24) attached near the granny; not sure if it can be adjusted outward and upward to protect a middle ring. On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Garth, Really interesting points! I do need to look on the middle ring 'T clearance'. The frame I'm working with is the Saluki for this question though not the XO3. I've had 4 occurrences over 2 days of the chain coming off the 36T middle; 1. Came off entirely, onto the BB shell 2-3. 'downshifted' to the 24T ring 4. 'upshifted' to the 46T ring Honestly I don't remember alot of specifics but I was near the high or low rear cog in each of the instances and very often there was some kind of bump or sharp acceleration accompanying the issue. As for trimming the FD, its not a constant thing. Only when I move the rear chain line 3+ cog's usually... so not a terrible burden but definitely something I notice a couple times a ride. The lack of the FD has me shifting more boldly through 2-3 rear cogs at a time without having to think about adjusting my FD trim. This also might be something with the bar ends on drop bars, I'm not used to haveing to work both shifters simultaneously or near simultaneously in that handlebar setup whereas on the alba's or M-bars it was second nature. Tony On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I for one do see benefits to a FD. If you are trimming the FD often, it's either not setup correctly or the crankset is inherently wobbly, as in imperfect laterally . I own 5 Sugino's at the moment and they are all over in that regard. Using 2 or more rings, you can usually get the best chainline as opposed to one ring stretching out over 8 or 9 gears. I use 7 sp. FW and do use all 7 cogs with the 36t middle ring, but even then the 1 and 7 cog are a bit of stretch really. Not optimal but it does the job. 8 speeds surely don't make that any less of stretch. What cogs are you getting the chain slipping off your 36t ring Tony ? I've never had a chainring drop a chain that was not involved in moving im moving it up or down to another ring. That's a curious issue ! And before you consider a 40t middle ring, just make sure it will clear the stays first ! I don't know the XO3 frame, but my Bomba and I suppose a Hunqa frame you are limited to a 36t middle unless you get a wider BB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iPz54h9hT7s/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No
Re: [RBW] Re: One week without a front derailleur
Howdy, I had a great commuter 1x8 bike that I rode for thousands and thousands of miles without ever dropping the chain. Eventually the components wore out, I moved out of town, and the bike resides in my parent's basement. I believe it was 32 chainring with an 11-34. For all practical purposes it was all I needed. I even rode it from Seattle to Boston- and there are some pretty serious hills on that route! When I first built the bike the chain would drop pretty often. I used a Third Eye chain watcher and never ever had a problem. Not only did it work flawlessly but it was incredibly cheap too. Below is the link. http://m.rei.com/product/670913/third-eye-chain-watcher/?cm_mmc=cse_PLA-_-pla-_-6709130014mr:trackingCode=6383071B-81F9-DE11-BAE3-0019B9C043EBmr:referralID=NAmr:device=mmr:adType=plamr:ad=52673753680mr:keyword=mr:match=mr:filter=61471573840msid=b7SSt4cP_dm%7Cpcrid%7C52673753680%7C Cheers! Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
