Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Anne Paulson]

Billy Truelove in 30 hours, 46 minutes.

http://www.oregonbikepacking.com/the-oregon-outback-2015-in-aggregate/

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Mike Shaljian  wrote:
> So who won the Outback? Is it a secret from the internet until 6 months have 
> elapsed? Not that racing this would be my thing, but I'm interested to know 
> what the rig strategies were with the top finishers this time around.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[stonehog]

Amazing as always.  Love the SA saddles.  No sores from the get-go.  YMMV...

Brian

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 8:51:41 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Brian. Incredible. How did you like the SA saddle on the trip?
>
> -Jim W.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:13 PM, stonehog > 
> wrote:
>
> I'm putting up my recount of the trip by day.  The first couple are up:
>
>
> http://stonehog.com/2015/06/07/oregon-outback-2015-day-1/
>
> http://stonehog.com/2015/06/08/oregon-outback-2015-day-2/
>
>
> Still thinking about this trip!
>
>
> Brian
>
> Seattle, WA
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:13:43 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
>
> I just finished the Oregon Outback on my 54cm Hunqapillar. I used a
>
> hodgepodge of bags (Riv Med SaddleSack, Swift Paloma, and Orlieb) to carry
>
> the often times large loads. After 360 miles of rain, mud, dust, and lots 
> of
>
> gravel roads, I am happy to report no mechanicals. The Hunqapillar was rock
>
> solid.  There were 40+mph downhills with 30mph wind gusts, and I never felt
>
> under biked. Kudos to the 2.1" Thunder Burts. I had an almost flat the 
> first
>
> day, but a little air and spin, and the Stan's sealant did its work. No
>
> problem for the next 300 miles. I will get a better write up with pics in
>
> the next few days. No other Rivs sighted, but I heard there was an Atlantis
>
> on the ride.
>
>
> P.S. Thumbs up for fenders. Mine was the only fendered bike I saw, and
>
> they kept my water bottles usable.
>
>
> Brian Hanson
>
> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Anne Paulson]

They made a special arrangement with Amtrak, just for that trip,
because there were going to be so many bikes.


> (But I want to know how those riders got an unboxed bike on the Coast
> Starlight!)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[James Warren]

Brian. Incredible. How did you like the SA saddle on the trip?

-Jim W.

> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:13 PM, stonehog  wrote:
>> I'm putting up my recount of the trip by day.  The first couple are up:
>> 
>> http://stonehog.com/2015/06/07/oregon-outback-2015-day-1/
>> http://stonehog.com/2015/06/08/oregon-outback-2015-day-2/
>> 
>> Still thinking about this trip!
>> 
>> Brian
>> Seattle, WA
>> 
>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:13:43 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just finished the Oregon Outback on my 54cm Hunqapillar. I used a
>>> hodgepodge of bags (Riv Med SaddleSack, Swift Paloma, and Orlieb) to carry
>>> the often times large loads. After 360 miles of rain, mud, dust, and lots of
>>> gravel roads, I am happy to report no mechanicals. The Hunqapillar was rock
>>> solid.  There were 40+mph downhills with 30mph wind gusts, and I never felt
>>> under biked. Kudos to the 2.1" Thunder Burts. I had an almost flat the first
>>> day, but a little air and spin, and the Stan's sealant did its work. No
>>> problem for the next 300 miles. I will get a better write up with pics in
>>> the next few days. No other Rivs sighted, but I heard there was an Atlantis
>>> on the ride.
>>> 
>>> P.S. Thumbs up for fenders. Mine was the only fendered bike I saw, and
>>> they kept my water bottles usable.
>>> 
>>> Brian Hanson
>>> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Anne Paulson]

Excellent recaps. I like reading about riders who did the Outback
without racing. Nothing wrong with racing, but I like reading about
riders who rode it the way I'd ride it.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:13 PM, stonehog  wrote:
> I'm putting up my recount of the trip by day.  The first couple are up:
>
> http://stonehog.com/2015/06/07/oregon-outback-2015-day-1/
> http://stonehog.com/2015/06/08/oregon-outback-2015-day-2/
>
> Still thinking about this trip!
>
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:13:43 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> I just finished the Oregon Outback on my 54cm Hunqapillar. I used a
>> hodgepodge of bags (Riv Med SaddleSack, Swift Paloma, and Orlieb) to carry
>> the often times large loads. After 360 miles of rain, mud, dust, and lots of
>> gravel roads, I am happy to report no mechanicals. The Hunqapillar was rock
>> solid.  There were 40+mph downhills with 30mph wind gusts, and I never felt
>> under biked. Kudos to the 2.1" Thunder Burts. I had an almost flat the first
>> day, but a little air and spin, and the Stan's sealant did its work. No
>> problem for the next 300 miles. I will get a better write up with pics in
>> the next few days. No other Rivs sighted, but I heard there was an Atlantis
>> on the ride.
>>
>> P.S. Thumbs up for fenders. Mine was the only fendered bike I saw, and
>> they kept my water bottles usable.
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Chris Chen]

Son, you got a licence to ride that Riv?

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Allan in Portland 
wrote:

> FWIW, yesterday I shuttled an Atlantis from Deschutes SP back to PDX. I
> don't recall his name, but it was owned and operated by a Canadian.
>
> Cheers,
> -Allan
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:13:43 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> I just finished the Oregon Outback on my 54cm Hunqapillar. I used a
>> hodgepodge of bags (Riv Med SaddleSack, Swift Paloma, and Orlieb) to carry
>> the often times large loads. After 360 miles of rain, mud, dust, and lots
>> of gravel roads, I am happy to report no mechanicals. The Hunqapillar was
>> rock solid.  There were 40+mph downhills with 30mph wind gusts, and I never
>> felt under biked. Kudos to the 2.1" Thunder Burts. I had an almost flat the
>> first day, but a little air and spin, and the Stan's sealant did its work.
>> No problem for the next 300 miles. I will get a better write up with pics
>> in the next few days. No other Rivs sighted, but I heard there was an
>> Atlantis on the ride.
>>
>> P.S. Thumbs up for fenders. Mine was the only fendered bike I saw, and
>> they kept my water bottles usable.
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Ryan Fleming]

Wow!
 
Did your bike come home safely?
 
Looking forward to your report...your stories and photos are always so 
entertaining!
On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 11:42:02 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:

> I hope to write a proper report this weekend, but if you want to see a few 
> more photos (including the Atlantis with the destroyed derailleur) I've 
> uploaded a lot of stuff to my Flickr page. 
>
> Keep in mind, this includes riding to the start line from Seattle, so the 
> total ride was 1,150km in 7 days, 38,000 feet of climbing.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/sets/72157651333549763
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:23 PM, cyclotourist  > wrote:
>
>> Great set of photos!  What an amazing ride. I like seeing the
>> different bike set ups out there. It looks like both the Hunq and the
>> Surly (KM?) performed as intended!
>>
>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Shoji Takahashi
>> > wrote:
>> > I've got to do this ride at some point. Nice pics, Brian. And looking
>> > forward to seeing yours, too, Mark.
>> >
>> > shoji
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 4:19:23 PM UTC-4, stonehog wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Here are the pics from the ride.  @Deacon - it wasn't exactly "mud" -
>> >> let's say there were probably some serious bacteria in there - lots of 
>> cows
>> >> around.  @Mark - I didn't make it to the start - we were in a hotel a 
>> mile
>> >> down the course and left from there.  Glad to hear you were able to 
>> replace
>> >> that derailleur - that ride would be rough on a single speed, 
>> especially at
>> >> the tail end.
>> >>
>> >> https://flic.kr/s/aHskcFpzhQ
>> >>
>> >> Brian Hanson
>> >> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome pics of the OOB, Brian and Mark! Wow! Thank you!

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Mark Reimer]

I hope to write a proper report this weekend, but if you want to see a few
more photos (including the Atlantis with the destroyed derailleur) I've
uploaded a lot of stuff to my Flickr page.

Keep in mind, this includes riding to the start line from Seattle, so the
total ride was 1,150km in 7 days, 38,000 feet of climbing.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/sets/72157651333549763

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:23 PM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> Great set of photos!  What an amazing ride. I like seeing the
> different bike set ups out there. It looks like both the Hunq and the
> Surly (KM?) performed as intended!
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Shoji Takahashi
>  wrote:
> > I've got to do this ride at some point. Nice pics, Brian. And looking
> > forward to seeing yours, too, Mark.
> >
> > shoji
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 4:19:23 PM UTC-4, stonehog wrote:
> >>
> >> Here are the pics from the ride.  @Deacon - it wasn't exactly "mud" -
> >> let's say there were probably some serious bacteria in there - lots of
> cows
> >> around.  @Mark - I didn't make it to the start - we were in a hotel a
> mile
> >> down the course and left from there.  Glad to hear you were able to
> replace
> >> that derailleur - that ride would be rough on a single speed,
> especially at
> >> the tail end.
> >>
> >> https://flic.kr/s/aHskcFpzhQ
> >>
> >> Brian Hanson
> >> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[cyclotourist]

Great set of photos!  What an amazing ride. I like seeing the
different bike set ups out there. It looks like both the Hunq and the
Surly (KM?) performed as intended!

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Shoji Takahashi
 wrote:
> I've got to do this ride at some point. Nice pics, Brian. And looking
> forward to seeing yours, too, Mark.
>
> shoji
>
>
> On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 4:19:23 PM UTC-4, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> Here are the pics from the ride.  @Deacon - it wasn't exactly "mud" -
>> let's say there were probably some serious bacteria in there - lots of cows
>> around.  @Mark - I didn't make it to the start - we were in a hotel a mile
>> down the course and left from there.  Glad to hear you were able to replace
>> that derailleur - that ride would be rough on a single speed, especially at
>> the tail end.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHskcFpzhQ
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Mark Reimer]

Hah! I really wanted to finish in three days. The last day we rode for 17
hours, only stopping for more than a few minutes when I swapped out the
derailleur. I feel like thatt ride expanded my capacity for long distance
riding substantially.

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Well, no wonder you finished a day and a half early! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 2:24:18 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Love the photos!! It's so cool to see them because many of the sections
>> you rode in the daylight I was passing through at night. We rode 7am to
>> midnight the last two days, so the climb after prineville was dark, and
>> everything after the rollers leading toward the gorge was in the dark.
>> Looks like I missed some beautiful country.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Deacon Patrick]

Well, no wonder you finished a day and a half early! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> Love the photos!! It's so cool to see them because many of the sections 
> you rode in the daylight I was passing through at night. We rode 7am to 
> midnight the last two days, so the climb after prineville was dark, and 
> everything after the rollers leading toward the gorge was in the dark. 
> Looks like I missed some beautiful country. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Mark Reimer]

Love the photos!! It's so cool to see them because many of the sections you
rode in the daylight I was passing through at night. We rode 7am to
midnight the last two days, so the climb after prineville was dark, and
everything after the rollers leading toward the gorge was in the dark.
Looks like I missed some beautiful country.

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 3:19 PM, stonehog  wrote:

> Here are the pics from the ride.  @Deacon - it wasn't exactly "mud" -
> let's say there were probably some serious bacteria in there - lots of cows
> around.  @Mark - I didn't make it to the start - we were in a hotel a mile
> down the course and left from there.  Glad to hear you were able to replace
> that derailleur - that ride would be rough on a single speed, especially at
> the tail end.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskcFpzhQ
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Mark Reimer]

Atlantis is found, and en route from Vancouver to Winnipeg. So that's good
news. Now I've just got to wait and see if it arrives unscathed.

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Ryan Fleming  wrote:

> Oh, dearI sure hope your Atlantis comes back unscathed. Looking
> forward to hearing about your adventures
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 11:51:39 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> That was me! Yes, I did it on the Atlantis. It was excellent. I snapped
>> my derailleur in half at the bottom of the descent out after Prineville,
>> single speeded it 70km until a nice fellow sold me the derailleur off his
>> bike after calling it a day. I was looking for other Riv's, didn't see any!
>> Were you in the parking lot at the start?
>>
>> I also saw a number of fendered bikes. A number of guys I rode with had
>> them actually. One was a custom bike with 42mm Compass tires (rear tire was
>> slashed and destroyed right where my derailleur died. He had a backup,
>> which was later slashed as well!), the other was an Elephant with the same
>> tires. They were pulling mud out of them fairly often though. Oh, also
>> there was a Nobilette-built Velo Cult rando bike with honjo's. It was
>> gorgeous.
>>
>>
>> I'll be posting a full report in the next few days, just need to
>> decompress, download the 1,200 photos I took... and do a write up. Also, my
>> Atlantis never arrived on the plane with me coming home... I'm hoping to
>> find out where it is today.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 1:33:51 AM UTC-5, Allan in Portland wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW, yesterday I shuttled an Atlantis from Deschutes SP back to PDX. I
>>> don't recall his name, but it was owned and operated by a Canadian.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Allan
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:13:43 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 I just finished the Oregon Outback on my 54cm Hunqapillar. I used a
 hodgepodge of bags (Riv Med SaddleSack, Swift Paloma, and Orlieb) to carry
 the often times large loads. After 360 miles of rain, mud, dust, and lots
 of gravel roads, I am happy to report no mechanicals. The Hunqapillar was
 rock solid.  There were 40+mph downhills with 30mph wind gusts, and I never
 felt under biked. Kudos to the 2.1" Thunder Burts. I had an almost flat the
 first day, but a little air and spin, and the Stan's sealant did its work.
 No problem for the next 300 miles. I will get a better write up with pics
 in the next few days. No other Rivs sighted, but I heard there was an
 Atlantis on the ride.

 P.S. Thumbs up for fenders. Mine was the only fendered bike I saw, and
 they kept my water bottles usable.

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

[hsmitham]

Same here Brian! I like living :)

But it's so tempting Chris.

~Hugh

On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 11:50:12 AM UTC-8, stonehog wrote:
>
> Already have a perfect OO bike in the Hunq...  And my wife would kill me :)
>
> Brian
>
> On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 1:11:10 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> Why aren't you ordering the new Bantam monster?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, stonehog  wrote:
>>
>>> Thread revival.  I'm planning to do this one on my Hunqapillar this 
>>> year.  I am thinking about the camping situation.  Has anyone insight at 
>>> this point on what worked last year?  Example - I like to camp light on the 
>>> bike - sans tent.  Did folks make this work last year?  I realize it will 
>>> totally depend on the weather conditions, but how are bugs along the 
>>> trail?  I haven't done much camping in OR on the east side of the crest. 
>>>
>>> FWIW, I am currently planning to try to do this in 4-5 days (leisurely), 
>>> with minimal shelter (pad and sleeping bag), maybe a light tarp in case of 
>>> rain, a few changes of wool, and the essentials.  
>>>
>>> What worked for you last year?
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Seattle, WA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 16, 2014 at 7:58:39 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 Noticing the messages about the Oregon Outback, I thought we could 
 have a rollcall of who was planning to do it next spring, and how many 
 days you're expecting to take. 

 I'm planning to give it a try. Six days; I'm not racing. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

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On 01/24/2015 03:36 PM, Mark Reimer wrote:

Oh I think you can do 90 miles leisurely. Just takes a rel long time.


On one of Jan's trips, the first 90 miles is just getting to the ride start.





On Jan 24, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:



On 01/24/2015 02:51 PM, stonehog wrote:

Tongue in cheek - compared to the amazing Heine/Ryan trips :)


Nobody calls them "leisurely" either.




Brian

On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 9:50:43 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

90 hilly gravel miles a day, while carrying some minimal camping
gear,
is leisurely? Usually people don't even call 90 paved touring miles
leisurely.





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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

[Mark Reimer]

Oh I think you can do 90 miles leisurely. Just takes a rel long time. 



> On Jan 24, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
>> On 01/24/2015 02:51 PM, stonehog wrote:
>> Tongue in cheek - compared to the amazing Heine/Ryan trips :)
> 
> Nobody calls them "leisurely" either.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>>> On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 9:50:43 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>> 90 hilly gravel miles a day, while carrying some minimal camping gear, 
>>> is leisurely? Usually people don't even call 90 paved touring miles 
>>> leisurely. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/24/2015 02:51 PM, stonehog wrote:

Tongue in cheek - compared to the amazing Heine/Ryan trips :)


Nobody calls them "leisurely" either.




Brian

On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 9:50:43 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

90 hilly gravel miles a day, while carrying some minimal camping
gear,
is leisurely? Usually people don't even call 90 paved touring miles
leisurely.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

[Anne Paulson]

OK, sorry, missed the tongue in cheekness.

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:51 AM, stonehog  wrote:
> Tongue in cheek - compared to the amazing Heine/Ryan trips :)
>
> Brian
>
> On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 9:50:43 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> 90 hilly gravel miles a day, while carrying some minimal camping gear,
>> is leisurely? Usually people don't even call 90 paved touring miles
>> leisurely.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, stonehog  wrote:
>> > Thread revival.  I'm planning to do this one on my Hunqapillar this
>> > year.  I
>> > am thinking about the camping situation.  Has anyone insight at this
>> > point
>> > on what worked last year?  Example - I like to camp light on the bike -
>> > sans
>> > tent.  Did folks make this work last year?  I realize it will totally
>> > depend
>> > on the weather conditions, but how are bugs along the trail?  I haven't
>> > done
>> > much camping in OR on the east side of the crest.
>> >
>> > FWIW, I am currently planning to try to do this in 4-5 days (leisurely),
>> > with minimal shelter (pad and sleeping bag), maybe a light tarp in case
>> > of
>> > rain, a few changes of wool, and the essentials.
>> >
>> > What worked for you last year?
>> >
>> > Brian
>> > Seattle, WA
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, November 16, 2014 at 7:58:39 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Noticing the messages about the Oregon Outback, I thought we could
>> >> have a rollcall of who was planning to do it next spring, and how many
>> >> days you're expecting to take.
>> >>
>> >> I'm planning to give it a try. Six days; I'm not racing.
>> >>
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>> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

[stonehog]

Tongue in cheek - compared to the amazing Heine/Ryan trips :)

Brian

On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 9:50:43 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> 90 hilly gravel miles a day, while carrying some minimal camping gear, 
> is leisurely? Usually people don't even call 90 paved touring miles 
> leisurely. 
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, stonehog  > wrote: 
> > Thread revival.  I'm planning to do this one on my Hunqapillar this 
> year.  I 
> > am thinking about the camping situation.  Has anyone insight at this 
> point 
> > on what worked last year?  Example - I like to camp light on the bike - 
> sans 
> > tent.  Did folks make this work last year?  I realize it will totally 
> depend 
> > on the weather conditions, but how are bugs along the trail?  I haven't 
> done 
> > much camping in OR on the east side of the crest. 
> > 
> > FWIW, I am currently planning to try to do this in 4-5 days (leisurely), 
> > with minimal shelter (pad and sleeping bag), maybe a light tarp in case 
> of 
> > rain, a few changes of wool, and the essentials. 
> > 
> > What worked for you last year? 
> > 
> > Brian 
> > Seattle, WA 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sunday, November 16, 2014 at 7:58:39 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Noticing the messages about the Oregon Outback, I thought we could 
> >> have a rollcall of who was planning to do it next spring, and how many 
> >> days you're expecting to take. 
> >> 
> >> I'm planning to give it a try. Six days; I'm not racing. 
> >> 
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> >> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

[stonehog]

Already have a perfect OO bike in the Hunq...  And my wife would kill me :)

Brian

On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 1:11:10 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Why aren't you ordering the new Bantam monster?
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, stonehog  > wrote:
>
>> Thread revival.  I'm planning to do this one on my Hunqapillar this 
>> year.  I am thinking about the camping situation.  Has anyone insight at 
>> this point on what worked last year?  Example - I like to camp light on the 
>> bike - sans tent.  Did folks make this work last year?  I realize it will 
>> totally depend on the weather conditions, but how are bugs along the 
>> trail?  I haven't done much camping in OR on the east side of the crest. 
>>
>> FWIW, I am currently planning to try to do this in 4-5 days (leisurely), 
>> with minimal shelter (pad and sleeping bag), maybe a light tarp in case of 
>> rain, a few changes of wool, and the essentials.  
>>
>> What worked for you last year?
>>
>> Brian
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 16, 2014 at 7:58:39 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>>
>>> Noticing the messages about the Oregon Outback, I thought we could 
>>> have a rollcall of who was planning to do it next spring, and how many 
>>> days you're expecting to take. 
>>>
>>> I'm planning to give it a try. Six days; I'm not racing. 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> -- Anne Paulson 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

[Anne Paulson]

Those Nanos are reputed to be great tires for gravel touring.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
> They are 2.1 WTB Nano's. Plenty fat enough for me. I've done gravel, single
> track and sandy road riding, loaded, on those. I'm not worried at all about
> them being too narrow.
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Anne Paulson 
> wrote:
>>
>> How fat are the tires on the Fatlantis, again?
>>
>> I'm dithering about whether to use Super Moto 2.35" tires or Knard 3"
>> tires on my bike. The Knard tires are absolutely fantastic in the kind
>> of deep kitty litter that abounds on the Outback, but they may be
>> overkill.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Mark Reimer 
>> wrote:
>> > I'll be there as well, targeting 4 days on the Fatlantis. I'm coming
>> > down
>> > with three other guys from up here in Winnipeg. Should be a grande ol
>> > tyme.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Anne Paulson 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 90 hilly gravel miles a day, while carrying some minimal camping gear,
>> >> is leisurely? Usually people don't even call 90 paved touring miles
>> >> leisurely.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, stonehog  wrote:
>> >> > Thread revival.  I'm planning to do this one on my Hunqapillar this
>> >> > year.  I
>> >> > am thinking about the camping situation.  Has anyone insight at this
>> >> > point
>> >> > on what worked last year?  Example - I like to camp light on the bike
>> >> > -
>> >> > sans
>> >> > tent.  Did folks make this work last year?  I realize it will totally
>> >> > depend
>> >> > on the weather conditions, but how are bugs along the trail?  I
>> >> > haven't
>> >> > done
>> >> > much camping in OR on the east side of the crest.
>> >> >
>> >> > FWIW, I am currently planning to try to do this in 4-5 days
>> >> > (leisurely),
>> >> > with minimal shelter (pad and sleeping bag), maybe a light tarp in
>> >> > case
>> >> > of
>> >> > rain, a few changes of wool, and the essentials.
>> >> >
>> >> > What worked for you last year?
>> >> >
>> >> > Brian
>> >> > Seattle, WA
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sunday, November 16, 2014 at 7:58:39 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Noticing the messages about the Oregon Outback, I thought we could
>> >> >> have a rollcall of who was planning to do it next spring, and how
>> >> >> many
>> >> >> days you're expecting to take.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm planning to give it a try. Six days; I'm not racing.
>> >> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

[Mark Reimer]

They are 2.1 WTB Nano's. Plenty fat enough for me. I've done gravel, single
track and sandy road riding, loaded, on those. I'm not worried at all about
them being too narrow.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Anne Paulson 
wrote:

> How fat are the tires on the Fatlantis, again?
>
> I'm dithering about whether to use Super Moto 2.35" tires or Knard 3"
> tires on my bike. The Knard tires are absolutely fantastic in the kind
> of deep kitty litter that abounds on the Outback, but they may be
> overkill.
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Mark Reimer 
> wrote:
> > I'll be there as well, targeting 4 days on the Fatlantis. I'm coming down
> > with three other guys from up here in Winnipeg. Should be a grande ol
> tyme.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Anne Paulson 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> 90 hilly gravel miles a day, while carrying some minimal camping gear,
> >> is leisurely? Usually people don't even call 90 paved touring miles
> >> leisurely.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, stonehog  wrote:
> >> > Thread revival.  I'm planning to do this one on my Hunqapillar this
> >> > year.  I
> >> > am thinking about the camping situation.  Has anyone insight at this
> >> > point
> >> > on what worked last year?  Example - I like to camp light on the bike
> -
> >> > sans
> >> > tent.  Did folks make this work last year?  I realize it will totally
> >> > depend
> >> > on the weather conditions, but how are bugs along the trail?  I
> haven't
> >> > done
> >> > much camping in OR on the east side of the crest.
> >> >
> >> > FWIW, I am currently planning to try to do this in 4-5 days
> (leisurely),
> >> > with minimal shelter (pad and sleeping bag), maybe a light tarp in
> case
> >> > of
> >> > rain, a few changes of wool, and the essentials.
> >> >
> >> > What worked for you last year?
> >> >
> >> > Brian
> >> > Seattle, WA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sunday, November 16, 2014 at 7:58:39 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Noticing the messages about the Oregon Outback, I thought we could
> >> >> have a rollcall of who was planning to do it next spring, and how
> many
> >> >> days you're expecting to take.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm planning to give it a try. Six days; I'm not racing.
> >> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

[Anne Paulson]

How fat are the tires on the Fatlantis, again?

I'm dithering about whether to use Super Moto 2.35" tires or Knard 3"
tires on my bike. The Knard tires are absolutely fantastic in the kind
of deep kitty litter that abounds on the Outback, but they may be
overkill.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
> I'll be there as well, targeting 4 days on the Fatlantis. I'm coming down
> with three other guys from up here in Winnipeg. Should be a grande ol tyme.
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Anne Paulson 
> wrote:
>>
>> 90 hilly gravel miles a day, while carrying some minimal camping gear,
>> is leisurely? Usually people don't even call 90 paved touring miles
>> leisurely.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, stonehog  wrote:
>> > Thread revival.  I'm planning to do this one on my Hunqapillar this
>> > year.  I
>> > am thinking about the camping situation.  Has anyone insight at this
>> > point
>> > on what worked last year?  Example - I like to camp light on the bike -
>> > sans
>> > tent.  Did folks make this work last year?  I realize it will totally
>> > depend
>> > on the weather conditions, but how are bugs along the trail?  I haven't
>> > done
>> > much camping in OR on the east side of the crest.
>> >
>> > FWIW, I am currently planning to try to do this in 4-5 days (leisurely),
>> > with minimal shelter (pad and sleeping bag), maybe a light tarp in case
>> > of
>> > rain, a few changes of wool, and the essentials.
>> >
>> > What worked for you last year?
>> >
>> > Brian
>> > Seattle, WA
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, November 16, 2014 at 7:58:39 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Noticing the messages about the Oregon Outback, I thought we could
>> >> have a rollcall of who was planning to do it next spring, and how many
>> >> days you're expecting to take.
>> >>
>> >> I'm planning to give it a try. Six days; I'm not racing.
>> >>
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>> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

[Mark Reimer]

I'll be there as well, targeting 4 days on the Fatlantis. I'm coming down
with three other guys from up here in Winnipeg. Should be a grande ol tyme.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Anne Paulson 
wrote:

> 90 hilly gravel miles a day, while carrying some minimal camping gear,
> is leisurely? Usually people don't even call 90 paved touring miles
> leisurely.
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, stonehog  wrote:
> > Thread revival.  I'm planning to do this one on my Hunqapillar this
> year.  I
> > am thinking about the camping situation.  Has anyone insight at this
> point
> > on what worked last year?  Example - I like to camp light on the bike -
> sans
> > tent.  Did folks make this work last year?  I realize it will totally
> depend
> > on the weather conditions, but how are bugs along the trail?  I haven't
> done
> > much camping in OR on the east side of the crest.
> >
> > FWIW, I am currently planning to try to do this in 4-5 days (leisurely),
> > with minimal shelter (pad and sleeping bag), maybe a light tarp in case
> of
> > rain, a few changes of wool, and the essentials.
> >
> > What worked for you last year?
> >
> > Brian
> > Seattle, WA
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, November 16, 2014 at 7:58:39 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
> >>
> >> Noticing the messages about the Oregon Outback, I thought we could
> >> have a rollcall of who was planning to do it next spring, and how many
> >> days you're expecting to take.
> >>
> >> I'm planning to give it a try. Six days; I'm not racing.
> >>
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> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

[Anne Paulson]

90 hilly gravel miles a day, while carrying some minimal camping gear,
is leisurely? Usually people don't even call 90 paved touring miles
leisurely.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, stonehog  wrote:
> Thread revival.  I'm planning to do this one on my Hunqapillar this year.  I
> am thinking about the camping situation.  Has anyone insight at this point
> on what worked last year?  Example - I like to camp light on the bike - sans
> tent.  Did folks make this work last year?  I realize it will totally depend
> on the weather conditions, but how are bugs along the trail?  I haven't done
> much camping in OR on the east side of the crest.
>
> FWIW, I am currently planning to try to do this in 4-5 days (leisurely),
> with minimal shelter (pad and sleeping bag), maybe a light tarp in case of
> rain, a few changes of wool, and the essentials.
>
> What worked for you last year?
>
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
>
>
> On Sunday, November 16, 2014 at 7:58:39 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> Noticing the messages about the Oregon Outback, I thought we could
>> have a rollcall of who was planning to do it next spring, and how many
>> days you're expecting to take.
>>
>> I'm planning to give it a try. Six days; I'm not racing.
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback Rollcall

[Chris Chen]

Why aren't you ordering the new Bantam monster?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, stonehog  wrote:

> Thread revival.  I'm planning to do this one on my Hunqapillar this year.
> I am thinking about the camping situation.  Has anyone insight at this
> point on what worked last year?  Example - I like to camp light on the bike
> - sans tent.  Did folks make this work last year?  I realize it will
> totally depend on the weather conditions, but how are bugs along the
> trail?  I haven't done much camping in OR on the east side of the crest.
>
> FWIW, I am currently planning to try to do this in 4-5 days (leisurely),
> with minimal shelter (pad and sleeping bag), maybe a light tarp in case of
> rain, a few changes of wool, and the essentials.
>
> What worked for you last year?
>
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
>
>
> On Sunday, November 16, 2014 at 7:58:39 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> Noticing the messages about the Oregon Outback, I thought we could
>> have a rollcall of who was planning to do it next spring, and how many
>> days you're expecting to take.
>>
>> I'm planning to give it a try. Six days; I'm not racing.
>>
>> --
>> -- Anne Paulson
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

[Jan Heine]

Anne,

You don't sound like somebody who is limiting herself. I was thinking about 
the people who write to me asking how I can ride these rides and not be 
scared.

The precautions you plan to take are good ones. It's one thing to follow 
your dream, and an entirely different thing to be foolhardy. 

Funny thing about being tourists – I consider myself a cyclotourist, too. I 
stopped numerous times to take photos during the Oregon Outback. I had a 
choice between carrying a spare tire or my camera. It was an easy 
decision... When I raced, I carried neither!

I hope to meet you at next year's Oregon Outback. I am sure you'll find the 
ride enjoyable and rewarding.

Jan Heine
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On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 9:50:14 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I'm not going to limit myself-- I'm going to do the Oregon Outback. 
> And I'd say that there is, not a 5% chance, but a 100% chance, that at 
> some point I'll be very uncomfortable. 
>
> But I'm going to carry extra water. I'd rather arrive back with water 
> to spare than ride 14 miles in the desert into a headwind. And if that 
> makes me slower-- well, take a look at my sig. I'm not racing. I just 
> want to have fun. (Not meaning to imply that racers aren't having fun, 
> but I'm a tourist.) 
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Jan Heine  > wrote: 
> > My water consumption depends very much on the temperature. In the early 
> > morning, I often ride 50+ miles on half a bottle. (I usually start rides 
> > well-hydrated.) If it's very hot and dry, I may drink a bottle every 10 
> > miles. Listening to my body is key to completing challenging rides. 
> > 
> > I also don't plan to ride for 5 hours without water. However, I also 
> don't 
> > limit myself by the fear of discomfort. If I have a 5% chance of being 
> very 
> > uncomfortable, but not seriously hurting myself, then that is a risk I 
> am 
> > willing to take in exchange for an unforgettable experience. 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

[Anne Paulson]

I'm not going to limit myself-- I'm going to do the Oregon Outback.
And I'd say that there is, not a 5% chance, but a 100% chance, that at
some point I'll be very uncomfortable.

But I'm going to carry extra water. I'd rather arrive back with water
to spare than ride 14 miles in the desert into a headwind. And if that
makes me slower-- well, take a look at my sig. I'm not racing. I just
want to have fun. (Not meaning to imply that racers aren't having fun,
but I'm a tourist.)

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Jan Heine  wrote:
> My water consumption depends very much on the temperature. In the early
> morning, I often ride 50+ miles on half a bottle. (I usually start rides
> well-hydrated.) If it's very hot and dry, I may drink a bottle every 10
> miles. Listening to my body is key to completing challenging rides.
>
> I also don't plan to ride for 5 hours without water. However, I also don't
> limit myself by the fear of discomfort. If I have a 5% chance of being very
> uncomfortable, but not seriously hurting myself, then that is a risk I am
> willing to take in exchange for an unforgettable experience.
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

[Jan Heine]

My water consumption depends very much on the temperature. In the early 
morning, I often ride 50+ miles on half a bottle. (I usually start rides 
well-hydrated.) If it's very hot and dry, I may drink a bottle every 10 
miles. Listening to my body is key to completing challenging rides.

I also don't plan to ride for 5 hours without water. However, I also don't 
limit myself by the fear of discomfort. If I have a 5% chance of being very 
uncomfortable, but not seriously hurting myself, then that is a risk I am 
willing to take in exchange for an unforgettable experience.

Jan Heine
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

[Deacon Patrick]

That is precisely why I gave riding time rather than distance. There is a 
huge difference between 25 miles depending on if it is: mountainous single 
track, rolling desert dirt roads, or paved roads. Then adding in rider 
differences, and the equation spreads out even more.

Regardless, if anyone does find themselves having to conserve water, 
breathe only through your nose. You lose dramatically less that way. I nose 
breathe all the time except when climbing at higher altitudes (usually 
starting at 11k feet). Since making the shift, I use 1/3 less water than 
without. Also, being low carb helps. For every gram of carbs processed, the 
body needs 3 grams of water (and ends up retaining that weight as well, 
that's part of why weight comes off so dramatically early on with a shift 
to low carb diet).

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> One time when I was touring up in far northern California I started 
> off the day with three full water bottles. Come mid-afternoon, they 
> were empty, but I figured I only had 12-14 flattish miles, so I didn't 
> go down to the Feather River to treat water. Stupid move. I had 14 
> miles through the desert into a headwind with no water. It was 
> miserable, and when I finally found a bar, I just sat at the bar while 
> the bartender fed me glass after glass of water before I could even 
> think about anything else. 
>
> The Oregon Outback is high desert, often with headwinds. I probably 
> wouldn't die if I rode for five hours there without water, but I 
> certainly don't want to do the experiment. And I'm a lot slower than 
> Jan, so I need to adjust my water stops and water reservoirs 
> accordingly. 
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote: 
> > Jan's point is excellent, and I'll say that most of us, regardless of 
> > conditions, could likely bike for five or more hours if need be without 
> > water. I've run in 100˚F+ Utah desert for over eight hours at high 
> summer 
> > with 44 oz of water. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

[Anne Paulson]

One time when I was touring up in far northern California I started
off the day with three full water bottles. Come mid-afternoon, they
were empty, but I figured I only had 12-14 flattish miles, so I didn't
go down to the Feather River to treat water. Stupid move. I had 14
miles through the desert into a headwind with no water. It was
miserable, and when I finally found a bar, I just sat at the bar while
the bartender fed me glass after glass of water before I could even
think about anything else.

The Oregon Outback is high desert, often with headwinds. I probably
wouldn't die if I rode for five hours there without water, but I
certainly don't want to do the experiment. And I'm a lot slower than
Jan, so I need to adjust my water stops and water reservoirs
accordingly.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> Jan's point is excellent, and I'll say that most of us, regardless of
> conditions, could likely bike for five or more hours if need be without
> water. I've run in 100˚F+ Utah desert for over eight hours at high summer
> with 44 oz of water.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

[Jan Heine]

There are a bunch of campgrounds about 10 miles or so before Prineville in 
the canyon of the Crooked River. There were tons of people camping there, 
and I would be very surprised if they didn't have water. There were some 
farms about half-way between Fort Rock and Prineville. Assuming they aren't 
abandoned, you probably could get water there in an emergency. You also 
cross a major highway around there. It may be worth while investigating 
whether that highway gets you to a town sooner, in case you really are 
running low. 

I didn't stop during that stretch, except to take a few photos, so my 
experience is limited. In any case, it's a splendid adventure, but there 
are also some stretches that are a little monotonous. As you pass Fort 
Rock, you are going straight toward the horizon for a few hours...

Jan Heine
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On Monday, November 24, 2014 9:24:33 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> The organizers assert: 
>
> "Water is very limited in several sections of the route.  There are 
> points of interest (POI) on the GPS link above that note the last 
> reliable water for the most significant sections, the longest of which 
> is ~80 miles.  There are several other sections of 50+ miles without 
> reliable water.  " 
>
> The organizers also do not identify any water sources between Fort 
> Rock and Prineville, a distance of 80 miles. Do you know of water 
> between those spots? 
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Jan Heine  > wrote: 
> > I think the longest stretch without water was about 40 miles, maybe a 
> bit 
> > more during the night. I think the organizers carried a lot of water 
> because 
> > they camped in places with no water. If you want to cook dinner, you'll 
> need 
> > some extra water. 
> > 
> > I carried three large cycling water bottles. That meant that I could 
> skip 
> > the first two places where I could have got water on or near the route. 
> (It 
> > was an overcast day, so I didn't sweat a lot.) I refilled my bottles for 
> the 
> > first time at mile 120. 
> > 
> > I think the ride is doable for most riders with just three bottles, even 
> if 
> > you go slower and sweat more. You should use every opportunity to top 
> off in 
> > some parts of the course, but it's never so remote that you'll die if 
> you 
> > are stranded. Cars use those roads (or the one's paralleling the trail), 
> > even if infrequently. 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback and water

[Anne Paulson]

The organizers assert:

"Water is very limited in several sections of the route.  There are
points of interest (POI) on the GPS link above that note the last
reliable water for the most significant sections, the longest of which
is ~80 miles.  There are several other sections of 50+ miles without
reliable water.  "

The organizers also do not identify any water sources between Fort
Rock and Prineville, a distance of 80 miles. Do you know of water
between those spots?


On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Jan Heine  wrote:
> I think the longest stretch without water was about 40 miles, maybe a bit
> more during the night. I think the organizers carried a lot of water because
> they camped in places with no water. If you want to cook dinner, you'll need
> some extra water.
>
> I carried three large cycling water bottles. That meant that I could skip
> the first two places where I could have got water on or near the route. (It
> was an overcast day, so I didn't sweat a lot.) I refilled my bottles for the
> first time at mile 120.
>
> I think the ride is doable for most riders with just three bottles, even if
> you go slower and sweat more. You should use every opportunity to top off in
> some parts of the course, but it's never so remote that you'll die if you
> are stranded. Cars use those roads (or the one's paralleling the trail),
> even if infrequently.
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> www.bikequarterly.com
>
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