Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
Just a follow-up. I contacted Riv HQ and they no longer sell this frame and said that even if were to get one from Soma they could not build it up due to changes they made to the frame (different sizes and some wheel size changes). On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 7:44:54 AM UTC-7, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote: > > What Reed said x1000we are rather fortunate to have someone in the > industry that has his or her integrity fully intact. > > It's a rarity to say the least. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
What Reed said x1000we are rather fortunate to have someone in the industry that has his or her integrity fully intact. It's a rarity to say the least. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
I don't really know if that's true anymore. The cost of labor in China isn't much lower than Taiwan. In some cases (Colossi for instance) it's actually quite a bit more because there is more competition for skilled welders. It's more about materials and supply chain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
Riv could do a truly ridiculous-low-cost bike made in China. Thankfully there's NO chance of this happening. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
It's always nice to think about getting something just-as-good for less money. I believe that's what Grant / Riv were looking to do with the Clem and Clementine. They've been open about what compromises were required to get down to that price point, and now folks can choose between a bike with no compromises, one with some compromises (Appaloosa complete or Hilsen complete), or one with more, though still thoughtful, compromises (Clem and Clementine). Everyone is welcome to decide what is important to them, and what suits their budget. I don't think anyone will argue that it's not possible to make a somewhat Rivvish bike for less than $1,300-1,500. I don't think anyone would argue that a $500 Rivvish bike wouldn't sell quite well. But I imagine actually doing it would require making compromises that Grant and the other folks at Riv don't want to make. Some of those compromises are doubtless about parts quality, frame materials, and fabrication. But I like to think there are other compromises that Riv chooses not to make regarding arranging fair deals with their suppliers and making sure the folks who make their bikes have fair working conditions and decent lives. When you make something really, truly cheap there are often costs that aren't apparent in the final product. I like that Riv thinks about that. I feel better buying things from them because of it. Best, Reed On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote: > When I think of Bikes Direct, I think of lower cost, though certainly the > higher levels can get up there a bit. Even just the Riv build kits are > more than many BD complete bikes. Imagine a Riv inspired 21-24 speed > triple for under $500. Here's an example of the level I was thinking of: > http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/gran_premio_s.htm > > I don't really have room for a second bike, but if I could get a Riv > inspired bike (that felt like a Riv) at around that level and price, I > might get another just to have a spare or to haul around as a beater. > > Tim > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Evan Baird wrote: > >> Isn't Rivendell technically the Bikes Direct Grant Designs? I know they >> have more dealers now, but it's been mail order since day 1. Don't get me >> wrong, the San Marcos rides great imo, but the Bleriot was like 95% perfect >> and I for one was really disappointed that they didn't just re-relase it >> and just add more fork eyelets. My assumption is that it was intened to >> fill several gaps in the Riv line without cannibalizing any of their other >> models, but what Riv customer is going to want to be stuck running 33mm >> tires with barely any fender clearance. For that matter, why would you use >> "lightweight" tubing just to slap on a second top tube? If it's just for >> looks then fine, but using heavier tubing and just having the one makes a >> lot more sense. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
I have the older frame with the fork that gets disparaged but I love it and that is what matters. Oh and I'm a girl but don't agree with it it being a girly bike. That thought never crossed my mind -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
When I think of Bikes Direct, I think of lower cost, though certainly the higher levels can get up there a bit. Even just the Riv build kits are more than many BD complete bikes. Imagine a Riv inspired 21-24 speed triple for under $500. Here's an example of the level I was thinking of: http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/gran_premio_s.htm I don't really have room for a second bike, but if I could get a Riv inspired bike (that felt like a Riv) at around that level and price, I might get another just to have a spare or to haul around as a beater. Tim On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Evan Baird wrote: > Isn't Rivendell technically the Bikes Direct Grant Designs? I know they > have more dealers now, but it's been mail order since day 1. Don't get me > wrong, the San Marcos rides great imo, but the Bleriot was like 95% perfect > and I for one was really disappointed that they didn't just re-relase it > and just add more fork eyelets. My assumption is that it was intened to > fill several gaps in the Riv line without cannibalizing any of their other > models, but what Riv customer is going to want to be stuck running 33mm > tires with barely any fender clearance. For that matter, why would you use > "lightweight" tubing just to slap on a second top tube? If it's just for > looks then fine, but using heavier tubing and just having the one makes a > lot more sense. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > Tim: look to Brooklyn Bicycle for a Bikes Direct-priced Grant design. I > doubt he did the whole line, but I know he was involved at some point. > There's a 3-speed double-tuber with flipped bars that looks like a budget > Pashley Guv'nor..very cool. Those forks don't remind me of Riv. Any bends are too high; doesn't look as elegant to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
Isn't Rivendell technically the Bikes Direct Grant Designs? I know they have more dealers now, but it's been mail order since day 1. Don't get me wrong, the San Marcos rides great imo, but the Bleriot was like 95% perfect and I for one was really disappointed that they didn't just re-relase it and just add more fork eyelets. My assumption is that it was intened to fill several gaps in the Riv line without cannibalizing any of their other models, but what Riv customer is going to want to be stuck running 33mm tires with barely any fender clearance. For that matter, why would you use "lightweight" tubing just to slap on a second top tube? If it's just for looks then fine, but using heavier tubing and just having the one makes a lot more sense. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
Girly looking. That's funny! Tim: look to Brooklyn Bicycle for a Bikes Direct-priced Grant design. I doubt he did the whole line, but I know he was involved at some point. There's a 3-speed double-tuber with flipped bars that looks like a budget Pashley Guv'nor..very cool. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
Hey Evan tell us how you really feel about the bike! 😀 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
I suspect it had somthing to do with the butt ugly forks they originally came with. And not having front rack mounts. And not having decent tire clearance. And not being low trail or planing. And generally being overly "girly" looking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:16 AM, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: > I have to echo Sean's comment. Given the relative price break in the Soma > for something designed by Riv and with Riv quality ride, I too am puzzled > by the lack of sales for this model. The bike clearly exceeded my > expectations! > I suspect the San Marcos suffered from not having much of anybody to promote it. - I don't remember Rivendell extolling its virtues as much as they have bikes that are more fully theirs. Grant has said that Riv only got $6 per frame sold elsewhere. It also represented a direction (speedy) that Riv has moved away from a bit since then. I get the impression Riv hoped it would be an inexpensive Rivvy bike, but it ended up costing almost as much as a "real" Riv. They seem to have accomplished this goal better with the Clem and the Sam complete, which tend to come in at (or below) the cost of a built San Marcos, and both of which (I hope) make more money for Riv. - LBSes were never (as far as I know) offered the San Marcos as a complete bike. Its a rare LBS that is going to build up a bare frame without a customer directing the build. It's a lot more work, and a significant financial risk. - SOMA didn't seem to push it much either. I don't know why they didn't offer it as a complete as they have other bikes, or do anything else to actually get them out into the retail channel. It almost seems like the San Marcos was somebody's pet project that kind of lost steam. I'd love to know more about how the San Marcos project went at SOMA / Merry Sales and how many were sold, but for now I'll just keep wondering. Whatever happened, it sure did result in a lovely bicycle! Reed > On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 9:57:33 AM UTC-4, se...@austin.utexas.edu > wrote: >> >> I recently acquired a San Marcos and absolutely love it. It has all the >> Riv ride characteristics at a more manageable price point. Got mine through >> my local shop directly from SOMA, but I remember at the time they had only >> a couple of 51cms left. The size is perfect. I am 5'6" with a pbh of 78cm. >> Soma makes a nice quill stem too that can get the bars up real high >> (similar neck problems as well). I am running the Soma stem with some >> flipped Albas and loading on the front (Carradice Barley and Sackville >> trunksack mounted to a Mark's rack) and it handles perfectly fine. >> Definitely reminds me of my old 2nd generation Rambouillet as far as ride >> quality is concerned. But being designed for 650b tires and allowing for >> wider rubber certainly make it a nicer ride. Running Soma new express and >> they soak up the Texas chip seal no problem. The newer fork is beautiful >> too with a very elegant bend. I can't believe this frame wasn't more of a >> top seller for Soma (and Riv). If you can score one from Riv (maybe hidden >> in the depths of Riv's stockroom) or a shop (American Cyclery?), by all >> means do it. >> >> Sean >> ATX >> >> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Evan Baird wrote: > The SM costs about twice what it should because it's sold through IBDs. If > it was made by a company that only sold to consumers it would have been a > home run I'm certain. So, a Bikes Direct bike designed by Grant? That might be interesting. Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
The SM costs about twice what it should because it's sold through IBDs. If it was made by a company that only sold to consumers it would have been a home run I'm certain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
Same, the geometry is similar to the Hillborne, but much lighter and heat-treated tubing. I was particularly surprised that even the seat stay/chain stays joint was lugged as well. I don't think other Riv's are even lugged at that point (at least I know that the Cheviot and Hillborne aren't). But it does have a slightly less clearance than the Hillborne or AAH - Chainstays are 130, and the fork crown is slightly smaller. But it's such a stellar deal, I definitely like it over the Chev and Hillborne (love my Hunq the most though). I assume it's because a lot of people don't really view it as a Rivendell. On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 10:16:20 AM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: > > I have to echo Sean's comment. Given the relative price break in the Soma > for something designed by Riv and with Riv quality ride, I too am puzzled > by the lack of sales for this model. The bike clearly exceeded my > expectations! > > On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 9:57:33 AM UTC-4, se...@austin.utexas.edu > wrote: >> >> I recently acquired a San Marcos and absolutely love it. It has all the >> Riv ride characteristics at a more manageable price point. Got mine through >> my local shop directly from SOMA, but I remember at the time they had only >> a couple of 51cms left. The size is perfect. I am 5'6" with a pbh of 78cm. >> Soma makes a nice quill stem too that can get the bars up real high >> (similar neck problems as well). I am running the Soma stem with some >> flipped Albas and loading on the front (Carradice Barley and Sackville >> trunksack mounted to a Mark's rack) and it handles perfectly fine. >> Definitely reminds me of my old 2nd generation Rambouillet as far as ride >> quality is concerned. But being designed for 650b tires and allowing for >> wider rubber certainly make it a nicer ride. Running Soma new express and >> they soak up the Texas chip seal no problem. The newer fork is beautiful >> too with a very elegant bend. I can't believe this frame wasn't more of a >> top seller for Soma (and Riv). If you can score one from Riv (maybe hidden >> in the depths of Riv's stockroom) or a shop (American Cyclery?), by all >> means do it. >> >> Sean >> ATX >> >> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
I have to echo Sean's comment. Given the relative price break in the Soma for something designed by Riv and with Riv quality ride, I too am puzzled by the lack of sales for this model. The bike clearly exceeded my expectations! On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 9:57:33 AM UTC-4, se...@austin.utexas.edu wrote: > > I recently acquired a San Marcos and absolutely love it. It has all the > Riv ride characteristics at a more manageable price point. Got mine through > my local shop directly from SOMA, but I remember at the time they had only > a couple of 51cms left. The size is perfect. I am 5'6" with a pbh of 78cm. > Soma makes a nice quill stem too that can get the bars up real high > (similar neck problems as well). I am running the Soma stem with some > flipped Albas and loading on the front (Carradice Barley and Sackville > trunksack mounted to a Mark's rack) and it handles perfectly fine. > Definitely reminds me of my old 2nd generation Rambouillet as far as ride > quality is concerned. But being designed for 650b tires and allowing for > wider rubber certainly make it a nicer ride. Running Soma new express and > they soak up the Texas chip seal no problem. The newer fork is beautiful > too with a very elegant bend. I can't believe this frame wasn't more of a > top seller for Soma (and Riv). If you can score one from Riv (maybe hidden > in the depths of Riv's stockroom) or a shop (American Cyclery?), by all > means do it. > > Sean > ATX > > >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
I recently acquired a San Marcos and absolutely love it. It has all the Riv ride characteristics at a more manageable price point. Got mine through my local shop directly from SOMA, but I remember at the time they had only a couple of 51cms left. The size is perfect. I am 5'6" with a pbh of 78cm. Soma makes a nice quill stem too that can get the bars up real high (similar neck problems as well). I am running the Soma stem with some flipped Albas and loading on the front (Carradice Barley and Sackville trunksack mounted to a Mark's rack) and it handles perfectly fine. Definitely reminds me of my old 2nd generation Rambouillet as far as ride quality is concerned. But being designed for 650b tires and allowing for wider rubber certainly make it a nicer ride. Running Soma new express and they soak up the Texas chip seal no problem. The newer fork is beautiful too with a very elegant bend. I can't believe this frame wasn't more of a top seller for Soma (and Riv). If you can score one from Riv (maybe hidden in the depths of Riv's stockroom) or a shop (American Cyclery?), by all means do it. Sean ATX > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
I dig your SM, Reed. There was a guy at the RBW Book Talk Ride who had a blue Appaloosa with an IGH hub (can't remember what bars). It was gorgeous! Speaking of such matters, it's too bad Riv isn't continuing the light blue on those Joes. It looks WAY better live in color than it does on the internets. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
THanks Reed! I really do like my bike and yours is set up very cool. I approve! I had a 1974 Raleigh super course redone with urban bars and a 3 speed. Tons of fun to ride -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Rob H. wrote: > > Also don't know if you're in the SF Bay Area but there was someone trying > to sell a built up 51cm SM on CL. I think they were in the South Bay > possibly a bike shop. At any rate, the listing expired (not deleted) so it > might pop up again and if you've got the cajones you could go give it a > test ride / kick the tires so to speak. > It was A Bicycle Odyssey up in Sausalito. No idea if they still have it, but it's probably worth a phone call! I remember the build looking pretty solid. Best, Reed > On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:00:22 AM UTC-7, PineTarSoap wrote: >> >> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this >> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a >> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires >> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like >> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I >> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring. >> >> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I >> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a >> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well >> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a >> Rodeo would as well but at more cost. >> >> Questions: >> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me? >> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page >> is the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page. >> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however >> the 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd >> to me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
