Re: [RBW] Rivendell Vindicated Once Again
Execution is everything, but I suspect that not all zip ties are equal. UV light will take a toll on the plastic, some kinds more than others, so be vigilant and carry spares. While not in the league with fully integrated design and the custom hardware fashioned by the great French Constructeurs and secured with fine leather and beeswax, if I change up my setup regularly, for fun or adaptations, they are good enough and pretty good. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:14 AM, JimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: For the longest time I've eschewed the use of zip ties on my bikes. To moi, for the longest time, they just seemed wrong for beautiful Rivendell bicycles. Boy was I wrong. I'd been procrastinating about installing mudflaps on the Saluki. Couldn't get around to chasing down the appropriate hardware. Motivated by the rain, I tempted fate and used black zip ties. Arguably the zip ties may even look as good (or better?) than machine screws, nut, and washers. If someone had just invented zip ties they'd be regarded as some fantastic technical innovation. Light, adaptable, easy to use - a fastener for the modern age! Slick, easy. Once again Riv's got it right. Finding myself on the slippery slope, I even used them to fashion a blinky light bracket. I'll have to post pictures. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell Vindicated Once Again
With no disrespect to anyone, especially during this joyous time, plastic ties on a +/- $4000.00 bike is just atrocious. Learn the use of a few basic tools and use the correct fasteners. For a get-you-home or temp repair, OK, but in the words of my first shop-teacher, it's hack. RGZ On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: Execution is everything, but I suspect that not all zip ties are equal. UV light will take a toll on the plastic, some kinds more than others, so be vigilant and carry spares. While not in the league with fully integrated design and the custom hardware fashioned by the great French Constructeurs and secured with fine leather and beeswax, if I change up my setup regularly, for fun or adaptations, they are good enough and pretty good. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:14 AM, JimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: For the longest time I've eschewed the use of zip ties on my bikes. To moi, for the longest time, they just seemed wrong for beautiful Rivendell bicycles. Boy was I wrong. I'd been procrastinating about installing mudflaps on the Saluki. Couldn't get around to chasing down the appropriate hardware. Motivated by the rain, I tempted fate and used black zip ties. Arguably the zip ties may even look as good (or better?) than machine screws, nut, and washers. If someone had just invented zip ties they'd be regarded as some fantastic technical innovation. Light, adaptable, easy to use - a fastener for the modern age! Slick, easy. Once again Riv's got it right. Finding myself on the slippery slope, I even used them to fashion a blinky light bracket. I'll have to post pictures. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell Vindicated Once Again
i'd wager the set of hack bicycles with zip ties get ridden more. do what works, do what lets you get out and ride quickly and easily. stop bemoaning zip-ties, i think we all get the point and some of us think it's absolutely silly and even profoundly status-oriented to eliminate simplicity just because you have a +/- $4000.00 bike. i'd wager plenty here bought rivendells for their fit, form, function; care little about such nonsense; and don't obsess about such trivialities. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:16 PM, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.comwrote: With no disrespect to anyone, especially during this joyous time, plastic ties on a +/- $4000.00 bike is just atrocious. Learn the use of a few basic tools and use the correct fasteners. For a get-you-home or temp repair, OK, but in the words of my first shop-teacher, it's hack. RGZ On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.comwrote: Execution is everything, but I suspect that not all zip ties are equal. UV light will take a toll on the plastic, some kinds more than others, so be vigilant and carry spares. While not in the league with fully integrated design and the custom hardware fashioned by the great French Constructeurs and secured with fine leather and beeswax, if I change up my setup regularly, for fun or adaptations, they are good enough and pretty good. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:14 AM, JimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: For the longest time I've eschewed the use of zip ties on my bikes. To moi, for the longest time, they just seemed wrong for beautiful Rivendell bicycles. Boy was I wrong. I'd been procrastinating about installing mudflaps on the Saluki. Couldn't get around to chasing down the appropriate hardware. Motivated by the rain, I tempted fate and used black zip ties. Arguably the zip ties may even look as good (or better?) than machine screws, nut, and washers. If someone had just invented zip ties they'd be regarded as some fantastic technical innovation. Light, adaptable, easy to use - a fastener for the modern age! Slick, easy. Once again Riv's got it right. Finding myself on the slippery slope, I even used them to fashion a blinky light bracket. I'll have to post pictures. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell Vindicated Once Again
On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 10:14 -0800, JimD wrote: I'd been procrastinating about installing mudflaps on the Saluki. Couldn't get around to chasing down the appropriate hardware. Motivated by the rain, I tempted fate and used black zip ties. A Saluki will fit fenders properly with no hacking involved. Bridges are correctly placed for a good fender line and there are fittings for fender mounts. Everything fits as it should do, and there's really no need for crude hacks on this frame. Do it right, you'll feel much better for it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell Vindicated Once Again
Oh, Ive got fenders, hammered Honjos, and they have been 'properly' installed. Jitensha Studio did the job and those folks don't hack. I don't think I'd go so far as to use zip ties to install Honjo fenders. Wouldn't be prudent, wouldn't be wise. Plastic zip ties with aluminum wouldn't be the appropriate material. Now when it comes to plastic fenders the zip ties could be just the ticket. -JimD On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 10:14 -0800, JimD wrote: I'd been procrastinating about installing mudflaps on the Saluki. Couldn't get around to chasing down the appropriate hardware. Motivated by the rain, I tempted fate and used black zip ties. A Saluki will fit fenders properly with no hacking involved. Bridges are correctly placed for a good fender line and there are fittings for fender mounts. Everything fits as it should do, and there's really no need for crude hacks on this frame. Do it right, you'll feel much better for it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell Vindicated Once Again
And yet, what works better than zip ties to attach one of the huge Rivendell Saddlesacks to a rear rack? As far as I can tell, those beautiful big bags are designed for zip ties. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:16 AM, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: With no disrespect to anyone, especially during this joyous time, plastic ties on a +/- $4000.00 bike is just atrocious. Learn the use of a few basic tools and use the correct fasteners. For a get-you-home or temp repair, OK, but in the words of my first shop-teacher, it's hack. RGZ -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell Vindicated Once Again
Very true. My comment was more about doing something right, so things don't go hanging/falling off., etc., and somehow got all these defensive remarks. These bikes may get ridden more (doubtful), but they most certainly will be repaired more. I'm thinking mostly of Grant's zip-tie-ing mud-flaps and fenders. It's hack work. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: And yet, what works better than zip ties to attach one of the huge Rivendell Saddlesacks to a rear rack? As far as I can tell, those beautiful big bags are designed for zip ties. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:16 AM, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: With no disrespect to anyone, especially during this joyous time, plastic ties on a +/- $4000.00 bike is just atrocious. Learn the use of a few basic tools and use the correct fasteners. For a get-you-home or temp repair, OK, but in the words of my first shop-teacher, it's hack. RGZ -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell Vindicated Once Again
Wow, would-a-thunk-it? Zip ties vs nuts-n-bolts turns into a mac vs pc like kerfuffle? I can only say I've come to have a whole new regard for zip ties after trying them. -JimD On Dec 23, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Anne Paulson wrote: And yet, what works better than zip ties to attach one of the huge Rivendell Saddlesacks to a rear rack? As far as I can tell, those beautiful big bags are designed for zip ties. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:16 AM, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: With no disrespect to anyone, especially during this joyous time, plastic ties on a +/- $4000.00 bike is just atrocious. Learn the use of a few basic tools and use the correct fasteners. For a get-you-home or temp repair, OK, but in the words of my first shop-teacher, it's hack. RGZ -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
