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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-06-16 Thread P W

A silver 58 is coming my way through my local bike shop.And I can’t wait.For the first time I think ever, I have the entire build ready to go before a bike even arrives.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jun 16, 2024, at 7:15 PM, tio ryan wrote:Taking the price into consideration, I've got a decision to make... tio "wombat-curious" ryan On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 7:37:46 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:Correction understood; thanks.On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 3:32 PM Bill Lindsay wrote:Patrick Moore translation services ACTIVATE.When Patrick Moore says: "Phil DOS FW in 17/19 and 20/22"He means: "White Industries DOS ENO freewheel in 17/19 and 20/22"Patrick Moore translation services TERMINATE"I'd thought that these were no longer made"No, it's just the 16/19 that is no longer made. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 2:27:44 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:I linked to the site and see that Riv still offers the Phil DOS FW in 17/19 and 20/22: I'd thought that these were no longer made. Good to know that they are still available, if quite expensive. Me, I keep an eye on them for the future, but for now I'm good with a lifetime supply of 17/19 Dingle fixed cogs.As to $2400 + shipping for a complete Roaduno: that seems pretty reasonable to me, given Grant's superlative designs and the quality (I assume, judging from the Rivs I've owned). From a very casual Google search: the single drop-barred single speed road bike I saw on the Performance site is 1,600 and that's mass produced from aluminum with no pedals and Joytech hubs.On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 7:12 AM tio ryan wrote:Highly anticipated Roaduno update in this weeks newsletter! [06/14/2024 - Sams are here, and Roadunos are next]On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 3:41:14 PM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from the email list. Assuming it's the mustard and silver from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice. Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:From the 4/26 email newsletter-The Roaduno colors that will be available are: Silver, Purple, and Mustard.
Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who get
whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in
mind that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most
toned down but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic
once it's dusty and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to
like Purple, but if you could see it in person I'm sure we could
convince everybody who's on or even near the fence to get one.

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-06-16 Thread tio ryan

Taking the price into consideration, I've got a decision to make... 

tio "wombat-curious" ryan 
On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 7:37:46 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Correction understood; thanks.
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 3:32 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Patrick Moore translation services ACTIVATE.
>>
>> When Patrick Moore says: "Phil DOS FW in 17/19 and 20/22"
>> He means: "White Industries DOS ENO freewheel in 17/19 and 20/22"
>>
>> Patrick Moore translation services TERMINATE
>>
>> "I'd thought that these were no longer made"
>>
>> No, it's just the 16/19 that is no longer made.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 2:27:44 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I linked to the site and see that Riv still offers the Phil DOS FW in 
>>> 17/19 and 20/22: I'd thought that these were no longer made. Good to know 
>>> that they are still available, if quite expensive. Me, I keep an eye on 
>>> them for the future, but for now I'm good with a lifetime supply of 17/19 
>>> Dingle fixed cogs.
>>>
>>> As to $2400 + shipping for a complete Roaduno: that seems pretty 
>>> reasonable to me, given Grant's superlative designs and the quality (I 
>>> assume, judging from the Rivs I've owned). From a very casual Google 
>>> search: the single drop-barred single speed road bike I saw on the 
>>> Performance site is 1,600 and that's mass produced from aluminum with no 
>>> pedals and Joytech hubs.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 7:12 AM tio ryan  wrote:
>>>
 Highly anticipated Roaduno update in this weeks newsletter!
  
 [06/14/2024 - Sams are here, and Roadunos are next 
 ]

 On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 3:41:14 PM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:

> Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from 
> the email list. Assuming it's the mustard 
> 
>  
> and silver 
> 
>  
> from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice. 
>
> Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan 
>
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:
>
>> From the 4/26 email newsletter-
>> The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, 
>> and Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the 
>> flexible who get whichever is available in their size; they all look 
>> good, 
>> and keep in mind that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is 
>> the most toned down but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks 
>> fantastic once it's dusty and well used. It would be nuts to expect 
>> everybody to like Purple, but if you could see it in person I'm sure we 
>> could convince everybody who's on or even near the fence to get one.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-06-15 Thread Patrick Moore

Correction understood; thanks.

On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 3:32 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Patrick Moore translation services ACTIVATE.
>
> When Patrick Moore says: "Phil DOS FW in 17/19 and 20/22"
> He means: "White Industries DOS ENO freewheel in 17/19 and 20/22"
>
> Patrick Moore translation services TERMINATE
>
> "I'd thought that these were no longer made"
>
> No, it's just the 16/19 that is no longer made.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 2:27:44 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I linked to the site and see that Riv still offers the Phil DOS FW in
>> 17/19 and 20/22: I'd thought that these were no longer made. Good to know
>> that they are still available, if quite expensive. Me, I keep an eye on
>> them for the future, but for now I'm good with a lifetime supply of 17/19
>> Dingle fixed cogs.
>>
>> As to $2400 + shipping for a complete Roaduno: that seems pretty
>> reasonable to me, given Grant's superlative designs and the quality (I
>> assume, judging from the Rivs I've owned). From a very casual Google
>> search: the single drop-barred single speed road bike I saw on the
>> Performance site is 1,600 and that's mass produced from aluminum with no
>> pedals and Joytech hubs.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 7:12 AM tio ryan  wrote:
>>
>>> Highly anticipated Roaduno update in this weeks newsletter!
>>>
>>> [06/14/2024 - Sams are here, and Roadunos are next
>>> ]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 3:41:14 PM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from
 the email list. Assuming it's the mustard
 
 and silver
 
 from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice.

 Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan


 On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:

> From the 4/26 email newsletter-
> The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, and
> Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who
> get whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in
> mind that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most 
> toned
> down but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic once it's
> dusty and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to like Purple,
> but if you could see it in person I'm sure we could convince everybody
> who's on or even near the fence to get one.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-06-15 Thread Bill Lindsay

Patrick Moore translation services ACTIVATE.

When Patrick Moore says: "Phil DOS FW in 17/19 and 20/22"
He means: "White Industries DOS ENO freewheel in 17/19 and 20/22"

Patrick Moore translation services TERMINATE

"I'd thought that these were no longer made"

No, it's just the 16/19 that is no longer made.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 2:27:44 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I linked to the site and see that Riv still offers the Phil DOS FW in 
> 17/19 and 20/22: I'd thought that these were no longer made. Good to know 
> that they are still available, if quite expensive. Me, I keep an eye on 
> them for the future, but for now I'm good with a lifetime supply of 17/19 
> Dingle fixed cogs.
>
> As to $2400 + shipping for a complete Roaduno: that seems pretty 
> reasonable to me, given Grant's superlative designs and the quality (I 
> assume, judging from the Rivs I've owned). From a very casual Google 
> search: the single drop-barred single speed road bike I saw on the 
> Performance site is 1,600 and that's mass produced from aluminum with no 
> pedals and Joytech hubs.
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 7:12 AM tio ryan  wrote:
>
>> Highly anticipated Roaduno update in this weeks newsletter!
>>  
>> [06/14/2024 - Sams are here, and Roadunos are next 
>> ]
>>
>> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 3:41:14 PM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from the 
>>> email list. Assuming it's the mustard 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> and silver 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice. 
>>>
>>> Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:
>>>
 From the 4/26 email newsletter-
 The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, and 
 Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who 
 get whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in 
 mind that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most 
 toned 
 down but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic once it's 
 dusty and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to like Purple, 
 but if you could see it in person I'm sure we could convince everybody 
 who's on or even near the fence to get one.


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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-06-15 Thread Patrick Moore

I linked to the site and see that Riv still offers the Phil DOS FW in 17/19
and 20/22: I'd thought that these were no longer made. Good to know that
they are still available, if quite expensive. Me, I keep an eye on them for
the future, but for now I'm good with a lifetime supply of 17/19 Dingle
fixed cogs.

As to $2400 + shipping for a complete Roaduno: that seems pretty reasonable
to me, given Grant's superlative designs and the quality (I assume, judging
from the Rivs I've owned). From a very casual Google search: the single
drop-barred single speed road bike I saw on the Performance site is 1,600
and that's mass produced from aluminum with no pedals and Joytech hubs.


On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 7:12 AM tio ryan  wrote:

> Highly anticipated Roaduno update in this weeks newsletter!
>
> [06/14/2024 - Sams are here, and Roadunos are next
> ]
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 3:41:14 PM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:
>
>> Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from the
>> email list. Assuming it's the mustard
>> 
>> and silver
>> 
>> from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice.
>>
>> Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:
>>
>>> From the 4/26 email newsletter-
>>> The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, and
>>> Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who
>>> get whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in
>>> mind that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most toned
>>> down but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic once it's
>>> dusty and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to like Purple,
>>> but if you could see it in person I'm sure we could convince everybody
>>> who's on or even near the fence to get one.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-06-15 Thread Richard Rose

Highly anticipated indeed. Sadly(?) I am out & not because of my disappointment that they missed the target price of $2,100.00. One could scoff a bit over the $2,400.00 for the complete + $250.00 for shipping. But I will remain a fascinated observer for now based solely on need - or lack thereof. I have finally been able to ride my Gus on singletrack some more & realize all of my road riding exists primarily to keep me in shape for mountain biking. My Clem fills that need in spades. Cannot wait to see the Roaduno’s though & will likely get sweaty palms every time a used one comes up for sale.:) If I was intent on getting one I would suffer paralysis from analysis big time - Mustard or Silver?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 15, 2024, at 9:12 AM, tio ryan wrote:Highly anticipated Roaduno update in this weeks newsletter! [06/14/2024 - Sams are here, and Roadunos are next]On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 3:41:14 PM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from the email list. Assuming it's the mustard and silver from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice. Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:From the 4/26 email newsletter-The Roaduno colors that will be available are: Silver, Purple, and Mustard.
Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who get
whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in
mind that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most
toned down but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic
once it's dusty and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to
like Purple, but if you could see it in person I'm sure we could
convince everybody who's on or even near the fence to get one.

Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-06-15 Thread tio ryan

Highly anticipated Roaduno update in this weeks newsletter!
 
[06/14/2024 - Sams are here, and Roadunos are next 
]

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 3:41:14 PM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:

> Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from the 
> email list. Assuming it's the mustard 
> 
>  
> and silver 
> 
>  
> from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice. 
>
> Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan 
>
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:
>
>> From the 4/26 email newsletter-
>> The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, and 
>> Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who 
>> get whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in 
>> mind that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most toned 
>> down but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic once it's 
>> dusty and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to like Purple, 
>> but if you could see it in person I'm sure we could convince everybody 
>> who's on or even near the fence to get one.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-06-13 Thread tio ryan

Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from the 
email list. Assuming it's the mustard 

 
and silver 

 
from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice. 

Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan 


On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:

> From the 4/26 email newsletter-
> The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, and 
> Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who get 
> whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in mind 
> that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most toned down 
> but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic once it's dusty 
> and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to like Purple, but if 
> you could see it in person I'm sure we could convince everybody who's on or 
> even near the fence to get one.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-06-13 Thread Bill Lindsay

Presale at the end of June!  Exciting.  That'll be fun to see the builds 
start coming.

BL in EC

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 8:00:57 AM UTC-7 tio ryan wrote:

> That's a lovely setup, Bill! It's reassuring to know the 3x1 setup works 
> well. 
>
> After 6 months with my Platypus, I find myself lusting after a 
> single-speed Riv for my daily commutes. I recently reached out to ensure I 
> didn't miss the pre-sale for the Roaduno. I was informed the Roaduno 
> pre-sale will be taking place two weeks from now, Jun 27th. Now I find 
> myself wondering what colors will be offered :) 
>
> Tio "99.9% getting one even if it's the same color as my Platypus" Ryan 
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:35:28 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I wanted to get my 3x1 up Diablo before all you 3x1 RoadUno riders have 
>> the chance!
>>
>> Today I finished my 6th summit of Mount Diablo, on my 6th different bike. 
>>  I've summited Mount Diablo every month of 2024 (so far).  
>> This time it was on the RoadTrio, my version of a RoadUno 3x1 build.  In 
>> the last few shots I've been rounding out the 3x8 sport touring 
>> configuration.  Part of the rear end set up was to enable a quick change, 
>> and I did the quick change against the clock last night.  In under 5 
>> minutes I had it switched from 3x8 to 3x1.  I had also switched out the 
>> crankset to a very slightly different gear range: a 94mm BCD Ritchey 
>> crankset let me run 22/34/46 rings, instead of the 24/36/46 of the 110 BCD 
>> Ritchey crankset that had been there.  Whether that difference was critical 
>> for my ride today is debatable.  What is certain is that the 22x18, 31-inch 
>> gear was welcome.  
>>
>> Even though I only had to shift like 5 times all day, this front end 
>> shifting is totally liquid, and while riding each gear rode silently like a 
>> single speed.  The White Industries ENO freewheel may be the best sounding 
>> freewheel ever (among freewheels that make a sound).  
>>
>> I picked this day for my June summit because the temperatures swung low 
>> after our first hot-snap.  It was low 50s to mid 60s all morning, and maybe 
>> peeked into the 70s in the lowlands of Walnut Creek.  I took BART from home 
>> to the shadow of Mount Diablo, cutting the mileage down to ~52 miles and 
>> 4950 ft of climbing.  The Romulus climbed and descended like an absolute 
>> champ.  I am extremely proud of my rack/bag/fender integration, and the 
>> handling even with a front load was great.  I was shocked at how well my 
>> knobby 700x26 Gravel Kings rode.  By looking at them it would be natural to 
>> assume they'd stink, but they were great.  After my summit I swung by Riv 
>> HQ and got the Will stamp of approval.   
>>
>> Pics prove it:
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303336/in/dateposted/
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778627464/in/album-72177720313832831/
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303561/in/dateposted/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:36:15 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> "I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a wide-range 
>>> triple up front. "
>>>
>>> If you build one of each and offer the comparative ride report, I'll be 
>>> pleased to read it.  I still have the gear chart in front of me the last 
>>> time Patrick Moore offered the theory that three gears in the back is 
>>> objectively superior to three gears in the front.  That gear chart has a 
>>> 36T ring with a 14/18/27.  I built a three cog freewheel and ran it on a 
>>> 120mm O.L.D. hub, but not with a derailleur.  Usually (and I expect now) 
>>> Patrick Moore will say how he is philosophically opposed to a tensioner of 
>>> any kind and prefers long horizontal drop outs and a QR skewer for manual 
>>> gear choosing.  
>>>
>>> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>>>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  A nice 120mm 
>>> O.L.D. frame with a 1x5 drivetrain, friction shifted with a modest rear 
>>> derailleur would do all these things.  Don't be surprised a drivetrain of 
>>> that kind pops out of my workshop in the next 3-6 months as well.  I 
>>> encourage Ted and Patrick to build their ideas also.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

 But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
 effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
 front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back 
 without 
 a IGH.


  Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the space with 
 spacers.

 Bill's 46-36-24 is jumps of 25% (46-36) and 41% (36-24). An equivalent 
 25% jum

Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-06-13 Thread Michael Connors

>From the 4/26 email newsletter-
The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, and 
Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who get 
whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in mind 
that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most toned down 
but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic once it's dusty 
and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to like Purple, but if 
you could see it in person I'm sure we could convince everybody who's on or 
even near the fence to get one.


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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-06-13 Thread tio ryan

That's a lovely setup, Bill! It's reassuring to know the 3x1 setup works 
well. 

After 6 months with my Platypus, I find myself lusting after a single-speed 
Riv for my daily commutes. I recently reached out to ensure I didn't miss 
the pre-sale for the Roaduno. I was informed the Roaduno pre-sale will be 
taking place two weeks from now, Jun 27th. Now I find myself wondering what 
colors will be offered :) 

Tio "99.9% getting one even if it's the same color as my Platypus" Ryan 

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:35:28 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I wanted to get my 3x1 up Diablo before all you 3x1 RoadUno riders have 
> the chance!
>
> Today I finished my 6th summit of Mount Diablo, on my 6th different bike. 
>  I've summited Mount Diablo every month of 2024 (so far).  
> This time it was on the RoadTrio, my version of a RoadUno 3x1 build.  In 
> the last few shots I've been rounding out the 3x8 sport touring 
> configuration.  Part of the rear end set up was to enable a quick change, 
> and I did the quick change against the clock last night.  In under 5 
> minutes I had it switched from 3x8 to 3x1.  I had also switched out the 
> crankset to a very slightly different gear range: a 94mm BCD Ritchey 
> crankset let me run 22/34/46 rings, instead of the 24/36/46 of the 110 BCD 
> Ritchey crankset that had been there.  Whether that difference was critical 
> for my ride today is debatable.  What is certain is that the 22x18, 31-inch 
> gear was welcome.  
>
> Even though I only had to shift like 5 times all day, this front end 
> shifting is totally liquid, and while riding each gear rode silently like a 
> single speed.  The White Industries ENO freewheel may be the best sounding 
> freewheel ever (among freewheels that make a sound).  
>
> I picked this day for my June summit because the temperatures swung low 
> after our first hot-snap.  It was low 50s to mid 60s all morning, and maybe 
> peeked into the 70s in the lowlands of Walnut Creek.  I took BART from home 
> to the shadow of Mount Diablo, cutting the mileage down to ~52 miles and 
> 4950 ft of climbing.  The Romulus climbed and descended like an absolute 
> champ.  I am extremely proud of my rack/bag/fender integration, and the 
> handling even with a front load was great.  I was shocked at how well my 
> knobby 700x26 Gravel Kings rode.  By looking at them it would be natural to 
> assume they'd stink, but they were great.  After my summit I swung by Riv 
> HQ and got the Will stamp of approval.   
>
> Pics prove it:
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303336/in/dateposted/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778627464/in/album-72177720313832831/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303561/in/dateposted/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:36:15 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a wide-range 
>> triple up front. "
>>
>> If you build one of each and offer the comparative ride report, I'll be 
>> pleased to read it.  I still have the gear chart in front of me the last 
>> time Patrick Moore offered the theory that three gears in the back is 
>> objectively superior to three gears in the front.  That gear chart has a 
>> 36T ring with a 14/18/27.  I built a three cog freewheel and ran it on a 
>> 120mm O.L.D. hub, but not with a derailleur.  Usually (and I expect now) 
>> Patrick Moore will say how he is philosophically opposed to a tensioner of 
>> any kind and prefers long horizontal drop outs and a QR skewer for manual 
>> gear choosing.  
>>
>> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  A nice 120mm 
>> O.L.D. frame with a 1x5 drivetrain, friction shifted with a modest rear 
>> derailleur would do all these things.  Don't be surprised a drivetrain of 
>> that kind pops out of my workshop in the next 3-6 months as well.  I 
>> encourage Ted and Patrick to build their ideas also.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
>>> effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
>>> front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without 
>>> a IGH.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the space with 
>>> spacers.
>>>
>>> Bill's 46-36-24 is jumps of 25% (46-36) and 41% (36-24). An equivalent 
>>> 25% jump in back would be 15-19 (24%), 16-21 (27%), 17-22 (26%), 18-23 
>>> (25%). An equivalent 41% jump in back would be 16-24 (41%), 17-25 (39%), 
>>>  17-26 (42%), 18-27 (41%), 19-28 (39%), 19-29 (42%), 20-30 (41%), 21-31 
>>> (39%), 21-32 (42%),  ...
>>>
>>> A very close equi

Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-06-08 Thread Bill Lindsay

I wanted to get my 3x1 up Diablo before all you 3x1 RoadUno riders have the 
chance!

Today I finished my 6th summit of Mount Diablo, on my 6th different bike. 
 I've summited Mount Diablo every month of 2024 (so far).  
This time it was on the RoadTrio, my version of a RoadUno 3x1 build.  In 
the last few shots I've been rounding out the 3x8 sport touring 
configuration.  Part of the rear end set up was to enable a quick change, 
and I did the quick change against the clock last night.  In under 5 
minutes I had it switched from 3x8 to 3x1.  I had also switched out the 
crankset to a very slightly different gear range: a 94mm BCD Ritchey 
crankset let me run 22/34/46 rings, instead of the 24/36/46 of the 110 BCD 
Ritchey crankset that had been there.  Whether that difference was critical 
for my ride today is debatable.  What is certain is that the 22x18, 31-inch 
gear was welcome.  

Even though I only had to shift like 5 times all day, this front end 
shifting is totally liquid, and while riding each gear rode silently like a 
single speed.  The White Industries ENO freewheel may be the best sounding 
freewheel ever (among freewheels that make a sound).  

I picked this day for my June summit because the temperatures swung low 
after our first hot-snap.  It was low 50s to mid 60s all morning, and maybe 
peeked into the 70s in the lowlands of Walnut Creek.  I took BART from home 
to the shadow of Mount Diablo, cutting the mileage down to ~52 miles and 
4950 ft of climbing.  The Romulus climbed and descended like an absolute 
champ.  I am extremely proud of my rack/bag/fender integration, and the 
handling even with a front load was great.  I was shocked at how well my 
knobby 700x26 Gravel Kings rode.  By looking at them it would be natural to 
assume they'd stink, but they were great.  After my summit I swung by Riv 
HQ and got the Will stamp of approval.   

Pics prove it:
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303336/in/dateposted/
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778627464/in/album-72177720313832831/
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303561/in/dateposted/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:36:15 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a wide-range 
> triple up front. "
>
> If you build one of each and offer the comparative ride report, I'll be 
> pleased to read it.  I still have the gear chart in front of me the last 
> time Patrick Moore offered the theory that three gears in the back is 
> objectively superior to three gears in the front.  That gear chart has a 
> 36T ring with a 14/18/27.  I built a three cog freewheel and ran it on a 
> 120mm O.L.D. hub, but not with a derailleur.  Usually (and I expect now) 
> Patrick Moore will say how he is philosophically opposed to a tensioner of 
> any kind and prefers long horizontal drop outs and a QR skewer for manual 
> gear choosing.  
>
> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  A nice 120mm 
> O.L.D. frame with a 1x5 drivetrain, friction shifted with a modest rear 
> derailleur would do all these things.  Don't be surprised a drivetrain of 
> that kind pops out of my workshop in the next 3-6 months as well.  I 
> encourage Ted and Patrick to build their ideas also.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
>> effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
>> front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without 
>> a IGH.
>>
>>
>>  Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the space with 
>> spacers.
>>
>> Bill's 46-36-24 is jumps of 25% (46-36) and 41% (36-24). An equivalent 
>> 25% jump in back would be 15-19 (24%), 16-21 (27%), 17-22 (26%), 18-23 
>> (25%). An equivalent 41% jump in back would be 16-24 (41%), 17-25 (39%), 
>>  17-26 (42%), 18-27 (41%), 19-28 (39%), 19-29 (42%), 20-30 (41%), 21-31 
>> (39%), 21-32 (42%),  ...
>>
>> A very close equivalent to the 46-36-24 in front would be 15-19-28 in 
>> back. Pair that with a 44T chainring and you'd have 42-63-79 gear inches on 
>> 700x32C tires. At 22t of required chain wrap, take your pick of any rear 
>> derailer. I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a 
>> wide-range triple up front. Combine it with a compatible index shifter and 
>> you'll have a nice 3-speed externally geared hub. 
>>
>> If you were so inclined. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-29 Thread Gordon Stam

I'm finding this discussion of 3 speed transmissions pretty interesting, to 
the point where I'm leaving the chain on the middle sprocket in the rear 
and just shifting the three cogs up front. It's a nice experience. You have 
to bear down and grunt sometimes, and sometimes you spin out, but you get 
the full range of cadences and the pedaling is more like you did when you 
were a kid, before discovering "cadence". I may be a convert, and I want a 
new wheelset anyway.

On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 11:48:43 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> " an ideal half-step setup… and you start back down the rabbit hole"
>
> I've got a developing build concept that will feature a 12-14-17-20-24-28 
> cogset in back.  I've got a 130 BCD crankset for the conceptual build which 
> has 53/42 rings.  I ran the numbers for 42/45 and 42/46, and I think I like 
> 42/45 better.  I'm going to grab a 45T 130 BCD ring and a half-step front 
> der and have some fun
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 8:03:15 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>  At 22t of required chain wrap, take your pick of any rear derailer
>>
>>
>> Bad Sunday morning math. 13 teeth of chain wrap. Even better
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2024, at 9:36 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  
>>
>>
>> And if you pair it with, say, a 42-46 combo up front you have an ideal 
>> half-step setup… and you start back down the rabbit hole 
>>
>> :-) 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-29 Thread Bill Lindsay

" an ideal half-step setup… and you start back down the rabbit hole"

I've got a developing build concept that will feature a 12-14-17-20-24-28 
cogset in back.  I've got a 130 BCD crankset for the conceptual build which 
has 53/42 rings.  I ran the numbers for 42/45 and 42/46, and I think I like 
42/45 better.  I'm going to grab a 45T 130 BCD ring and a half-step front 
der and have some fun

BL in EC

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 8:03:15 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>  At 22t of required chain wrap, take your pick of any rear derailer
>
>
> Bad Sunday morning math. 13 teeth of chain wrap. Even better
>
> On Apr 28, 2024, at 9:36 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  
>
>
> And if you pair it with, say, a 42-46 combo up front you have an ideal 
> half-step setup… and you start back down the rabbit hole 
>
> :-) 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-28 Thread Ted Durant


On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>  At 22t of required chain wrap, take your pick of any rear derailer

Bad Sunday morning math. 13 teeth of chain wrap. Even better

On Apr 28, 2024, at 9:36 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel:  
> 14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  


And if you pair it with, say, a 42-46 combo up front you have an ideal 
half-step setup… and you start back down the rabbit hole 

:-) 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-28 Thread Bill Lindsay

"I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a wide-range 
triple up front. "

If you build one of each and offer the comparative ride report, I'll be 
pleased to read it.  I still have the gear chart in front of me the last 
time Patrick Moore offered the theory that three gears in the back is 
objectively superior to three gears in the front.  That gear chart has a 
36T ring with a 14/18/27.  I built a three cog freewheel and ran it on a 
120mm O.L.D. hub, but not with a derailleur.  Usually (and I expect now) 
Patrick Moore will say how he is philosophically opposed to a tensioner of 
any kind and prefers long horizontal drop outs and a QR skewer for manual 
gear choosing.  

The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
 14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  A nice 120mm 
O.L.D. frame with a 1x5 drivetrain, friction shifted with a modest rear 
derailleur would do all these things.  Don't be surprised a drivetrain of 
that kind pops out of my workshop in the next 3-6 months as well.  I 
encourage Ted and Patrick to build their ideas also.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
> effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
> front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without 
> a IGH.
>
>
>  Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the space with spacers.
>
> Bill's 46-36-24 is jumps of 25% (46-36) and 41% (36-24). An equivalent 25% 
> jump in back would be 15-19 (24%), 16-21 (27%), 17-22 (26%), 18-23 (25%). 
> An equivalent 41% jump in back would be 16-24 (41%), 17-25 (39%),  17-26 
> (42%), 18-27 (41%), 19-28 (39%), 19-29 (42%), 20-30 (41%), 21-31 (39%), 
> 21-32 (42%),  ...
>
> A very close equivalent to the 46-36-24 in front would be 15-19-28 in 
> back. Pair that with a 44T chainring and you'd have 42-63-79 gear inches on 
> 700x32C tires. At 22t of required chain wrap, take your pick of any rear 
> derailer. I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a 
> wide-range triple up front. Combine it with a compatible index shifter and 
> you'll have a nice 3-speed externally geared hub. 
>
> If you were so inclined. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-28 Thread Ted Durant

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without 
a IGH.


 Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the space with spacers.

Bill's 46-36-24 is jumps of 25% (46-36) and 41% (36-24). An equivalent 25% 
jump in back would be 15-19 (24%), 16-21 (27%), 17-22 (26%), 18-23 (25%). 
An equivalent 41% jump in back would be 16-24 (41%), 17-25 (39%),  17-26 
(42%), 18-27 (41%), 19-28 (39%), 19-29 (42%), 20-30 (41%), 21-31 (39%), 
21-32 (42%),  ...

A very close equivalent to the 46-36-24 in front would be 15-19-28 in back. 
Pair that with a 44T chainring and you'd have 42-63-79 gear inches on 
700x32C tires. At 22t of required chain wrap, take your pick of any rear 
derailer. I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a 
wide-range triple up front. Combine it with a compatible index shifter and 
you'll have a nice 3-speed externally geared hub. 

If you were so inclined. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-27 Thread Jim M.

Quickbeam came with 40/32 chainrings. The fork ends were long enough to 
cover the 8-t difference.

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 11:42:41 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:40 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ... With horizontals or track ends and a good steel internal cam QR you 
>> could have yourself a very good time without the need for a lousy (and FWIW 
>> considerably less that I paid for my TF hub). A  44 X 17/20/24 would give 
>> you 70", 60", and 50", a good spread with relatively unobtrusive hardware 
>> and bulk.
>>
>
> Well, not quite, as you'd need very long dropouts/track ends indeed to 
> accommodate 7 teeth: almost a good *usable* Inch of axle travel -- usable 
> travel is not at all the same as theoretical travel. And as for a chain 
> tensioner: with a single rear cog and 3 rings your tensioner would not have 
> to move laterally as the chain was shifted, while 2 or 3 cogs would require 
> chain tensioner re-alignment. So I've argued myself into agreeing with the 
> 3X1 idea. Only, the ideal system for 3 wide ratio gears is the IGH.
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore

On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:40 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... With horizontals or track ends and a good steel internal cam QR you
> could have yourself a very good time without the need for a lousy (and FWIW
> considerably less that I paid for my TF hub). A  44 X 17/20/24 would give
> you 70", 60", and 50", a good spread with relatively unobtrusive hardware
> and bulk.
>

Well, not quite, as you'd need very long dropouts/track ends indeed to
accommodate 7 teeth: almost a good *usable* Inch of axle travel -- usable
travel is not at all the same as theoretical travel. And as for a chain
tensioner: with a single rear cog and 3 rings your tensioner would not have
to move laterally as the chain was shifted, while 2 or 3 cogs would require
chain tensioner re-alignment. So I've argued myself into agreeing with the
3X1 idea. Only, the ideal system for 3 wide ratio gears is the IGH.

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore

We had a similar conversation back in February and, among the topic
discussed was, why 3X1 instead of 1X3? Bill pointed out that commercially
available 3 speed fws of good quality with huge tooth gaps are hard to
find, whereas anyone can find a triple crank.

But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing
effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in
front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without
a IGH.

Question: I've never followed BMX, but IIRC I've read of 2-speed BMX
freehubs; was that really a thing? If so, perhaps that would be the ideal
low-cog-count/big-ratio-jump system. And then there are those packages of
spacers and ss HG-freehub-compatible kits that allow you to use just 1 --
or a few -- cogs on your 7-8-9-etc.-speed freehub.

Long ago I asked Phil Wood & Co. if they'd build me a fixed hub that would
accept 3 sprockets. They replied, "Sure! Figure on about $400" -- this in
circa 2000 dollars which per the DoL Inflation Calculator is ~$740 in 2024
monopoly money. With horizontals or track ends and a good steel internal
cam QR you could have yourself a very good time without the need for a
lousy (and FWIW considerably less that I paid for my TF hub). A 44 X
17/20/24 would give you 70", 60", and 50", a good spread with relatively
unobtrusive hardware and bulk.

Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-27 Thread Bill Lindsay

With your 7402 "tensioner" you could run a tiny short cable, such that 
twisting the barrel adjuster pulls it from the 17 to the 19.  I run that 
setup on a different bike.  

I'm summiting mount Diablo once a month, and I'm plotting which month this 
summer I ride my 3x1 Romulus.  Maybe July.  

BL in EC

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-27 Thread Bill Lindsay

Nice Paul wheels!  Good luck with it

BL in EC

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 6:47:18 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> A gentleman never tells (of his relationship to certain Rivendell 
> employees, nor his local bike shop with a Rivendell account).
>
> Quietly confident I’ll be able to get one in my size now, tho…
>
> Hopefully even color choice, too. 
>
> I even picked up the wheelset I needed while up in the bay.
>
> I think that means I have most of what I need to build version 1.0.
>
> Let’s see…
>
> [image: IMG_6571]
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 5:43 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> It’s funny because they just released more details including a “probable” 
> pre sale in June. A month or two back they announced the lugged Susie 
> presale. The next day there was a guy on Instagram riding his lugged 
> Susie!! Had to be a prototype or sample, right?
>
> I really want to “commit” but need is not part of the equation. Resisting 
> in Toledo may be futile.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 8:25 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Committing to yourself is the first step.  Stating it on the RBW Group is 
> legally and morally binding, also, so that's step two.  If you wanted to 
> get really committed, email Will and see if Will is able to take your 
> money, or if Will already knows you, you may be able to convince him to 
> agree to hold one for you in your size.  He may tell you to wait until they 
> are ready to do a pre-sale.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:02:01 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I said: “I’m getting one!”
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W  wrote:
>>
>> Brilliant Bill.
>>
>> And good reference/inspiration.
>>
>> I tried out an Uno on Monday.
>>
>> And committed to a 57 for myself!
>>
>> I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.
>>
>> Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for 
>> sure tho!
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
>> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
>> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
>> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
>> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
>> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
>> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
>> Campy Part" club:
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>>
>> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a 
>> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
>> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
>> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
>> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
>> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
>> with these tires.  
>>
>> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as 
>> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo 
>> summit on the RoadTrio.  
>>
>> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 
>> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread Richard Rose

It’s funny because they just released more details including a “probable” pre sale in June. A month or two back they announced the lugged Susie presale. The next day there was a guy on Instagram riding his lugged Susie!! Had to be a prototype or sample, right?I really want to “commit” but need is not part of the equation. Resisting in Toledo may be futile.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 8:25 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:Committing to yourself is the first step. Stating it on the RBW Group is legally and morally binding, also, so that's step two. If you wanted to get really committed, email Will and see if Will is able to take your money, or if Will already knows you, you may be able to convince him to agree to hold one for you in your size. He may tell you to wait until they are ready to do a pre-sale. BL in ECOn Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:02:01 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:I said: “I’m getting one!”P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose wrote:How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W wrote:Brilliant Bill.And good reference/inspiration.I tried out an Uno on Monday.And committed to a 57 for myself!I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for sure tho!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus into service. Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO. It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur. This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub. I will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub. Now the F+R hubs are both black. Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires. This accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample clearance for fenders. The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires. I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a build concept. It works. I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit on the RoadTrio. Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA

Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread Bill Lindsay

Committing to yourself is the first step.  Stating it on the RBW Group is 
legally and morally binding, also, so that's step two.  If you wanted to 
get really committed, email Will and see if Will is able to take your 
money, or if Will already knows you, you may be able to convince him to 
agree to hold one for you in your size.  He may tell you to wait until they 
are ready to do a pre-sale.  

BL in EC

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:02:01 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> I said: “I’m getting one!”
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W  wrote:
>
> Brilliant Bill.
>
> And good reference/inspiration.
>
> I tried out an Uno on Monday.
>
> And committed to a 57 for myself!
>
> I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.
>
> Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for 
> sure tho!
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
> Campy Part" club:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>
> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a 
> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
> with these tires.  
>
> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as 
> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo 
> summit on the RoadTrio.  
>
> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 
> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread P W

I said: “I’m getting one!”P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose wrote:How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W wrote:Brilliant Bill.And good reference/inspiration.I tried out an Uno on Monday.And committed to a 57 for myself!I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for sure tho!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus into service. Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO. It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur. This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub. I will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub. Now the F+R hubs are both black. Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires. This accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample clearance for fenders. The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires. I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a build concept. It works. I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit on the RoadTrio. Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA

Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread Richard Rose

How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W wrote:Brilliant Bill.And good reference/inspiration.I tried out an Uno on Monday.And committed to a 57 for myself!I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for sure tho!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus into service. Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO. It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur. This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub. I will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub. Now the F+R hubs are both black. Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires. This accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample clearance for fenders. The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires. I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a build concept. It works. I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit on the RoadTrio. Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA

Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread Eric Daume

I've had a Melvin in my parts stash for years that's looking for a reason,
so this build kind of appeals to me. But, out here in the flatlands, I
don't really need three super widely spaced gears. With my
cruising (normally fixed) gear of 44x17, maybe something like 44/40/36,
about 10% jumps. Hmm, maybe I'll see what rings I have in stock.

Eric
Plain City, OH

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 2:26 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me
> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory
> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming
> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from
> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the
> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a
> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one
> Campy Part" club:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>
> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a
> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will
> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs
> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This
> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it
> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches
> with these tires.
>
> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as
> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo
> summit on the RoadTrio.
>
> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives
> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread P W

Brilliant Bill.And good reference/inspiration.I tried out an Uno on Monday.And committed to a 57 for myself!I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for sure tho!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus into service. Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO. It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur. This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub. I will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub. Now the F+R hubs are both black. Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires. This accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample clearance for fenders. The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires. I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a build concept. It works. I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit on the RoadTrio. Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA

Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread Gordon Stam

Hey Bill, nice build on the 3x1. Used frames and lots of spare parts are fun 
that way.

G

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Bill Lindsay 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 12:26 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus 
into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build 
concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO.  It's got a 
single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 
46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur.  This morning 
I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike 
for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/

The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick 
release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will likely 
rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs are both 
black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This accomplishes two 
things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample 
clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires.

I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a 
build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit 
on the RoadTrio.

Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a 
try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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