Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[JohnS]

Grant steps up again and delivered the goods! I would love to see their 
parts stash, box o' frame parts here, forks over there

JohnS 

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 9:28:40 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> Possibly dumb question: have you taken a good look at your chain? It ay be 
> kinked, which would cause skipping gears.
> -Wes
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 4:04:01 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Andre attempted to make some further adjustments, the chain still skips. 
>> I tried installing a Deore XT M771 and that was a little bit better but the 
>> chain still skips. 
>>
>> I called Riv and talked to Grant who was eager to see some pictures. Will 
>> has a new dropout heading to me by mail, now I just need to find someone 
>> who can braze the new dropout on. The framebuilder I know has transitioned 
>> from building bikes to chartering boats! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:43:30 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Yesterday I brought the frame to my LBS, Bike Works and handed it over 
>>> to trusted mechanic Andre. He bent the hanger, aligned the dropouts and 
>>> aligned the hanger. The hanger alignment tool showed the hanger was in 
>>> plane with the rim. Amazingly the hole took a derailer bolt just fine. It 
>>> looks terrible but functionality seemed promising. This was all I cared 
>>> about.
>>>
>>> You can see the hole is terribly elongated. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6872.JPG] 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6871.JPG]
>>>
>>> Here's my wavy hanger.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6880.JPG]
>>>
>>> Fortunately I have a small collection of Cyclones to draw from. The last 
>>> one I mangled was beautiful old stock. This one here is almost as nice. 
>>>
>>> The bike shifted fine in the stand. But on the road and under load the 
>>> chain skips in the smallest four cogs. 
>>>
>>> Tomorrow I'll take it back to Andre and see if he can't finesse it into 
>>> shape. 
>>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:38:04 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 Patrick: Sorry about that Fargo but glad to hear it could be repaired. 
 Replaceable hangers seem helpful!

 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:41:41 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And: I had Chauncey Matthews use a replaceable hanger when he built 
> the replacement for the Fargo.
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:38 AM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I had a similar experience with a Fargo when a stick jammed the 
>> rd: the hangar was bent 90* inward (and jammed into the cassette; no 
>> single-speeding home). The good news, and the point: a LBS was able to 
>> unbend the rd to usable status again. The replacement rd worked fine. Of 
>> course, YMMV.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 7:50 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Many thanks, John. I'll check out the spokes. 
>>>
>>> I've been texting with my local mechanic friend, Andre. We're going 
>>> to try and bend the hanger and see how close we can get it. Considering 
>>> a 
>>> drop out saver from Wheels Mfg. 
>>>
>>> If that fails I'll see about having a new dropout installed. I gotta 
>>> call Will when Riv opens!
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Wow Eric, that was a bad one, glad your ok and the Sam is on the 
 mend. Don't forget to check the spokes for nicks, could break easy if 
 they 
 are.

 JohnS


 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a 
> beautiful bike.
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Brian and Danny! 
>>
>> I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. 
>> The limit screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. 
>> Still 
>> have many good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey 
>> wheels, too. 
>> I'll leave it as-is and pull parts from it as needed. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. 
>>> Even in its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer 
>>> sculpture!
>>>
>>> -Danny
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.

 Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your 
 Sam’s hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.

 On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  
 wrote:

 Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) 

 The damage 

Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Wesley]

Possibly dumb question: have you taken a good look at your chain? It ay be 
kinked, which would cause skipping gears.
-Wes

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 4:04:01 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Andre attempted to make some further adjustments, the chain still skips. I 
> tried installing a Deore XT M771 and that was a little bit better but the 
> chain still skips. 
>
> I called Riv and talked to Grant who was eager to see some pictures. Will 
> has a new dropout heading to me by mail, now I just need to find someone 
> who can braze the new dropout on. The framebuilder I know has transitioned 
> from building bikes to chartering boats! 
>
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:43:30 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Yesterday I brought the frame to my LBS, Bike Works and handed it over 
>> to trusted mechanic Andre. He bent the hanger, aligned the dropouts and 
>> aligned the hanger. The hanger alignment tool showed the hanger was in 
>> plane with the rim. Amazingly the hole took a derailer bolt just fine. It 
>> looks terrible but functionality seemed promising. This was all I cared 
>> about.
>>
>> You can see the hole is terribly elongated. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_6872.JPG] 
>>
>> [image: IMG_6871.JPG]
>>
>> Here's my wavy hanger.
>>
>> [image: IMG_6880.JPG]
>>
>> Fortunately I have a small collection of Cyclones to draw from. The last 
>> one I mangled was beautiful old stock. This one here is almost as nice. 
>>
>> The bike shifted fine in the stand. But on the road and under load the 
>> chain skips in the smallest four cogs. 
>>
>> Tomorrow I'll take it back to Andre and see if he can't finesse it into 
>> shape. 
>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:38:04 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick: Sorry about that Fargo but glad to hear it could be repaired. 
>>> Replaceable hangers seem helpful!
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:41:41 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 And: I had Chauncey Matthews use a replaceable hanger when he built the 
 replacement for the Fargo.

 On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:38 AM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> FWIW, I had a similar experience with a Fargo when a stick jammed the 
> rd: the hangar was bent 90* inward (and jammed into the cassette; no 
> single-speeding home). The good news, and the point: a LBS was able to 
> unbend the rd to usable status again. The replacement rd worked fine. Of 
> course, YMMV.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 7:50 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, John. I'll check out the spokes. 
>>
>> I've been texting with my local mechanic friend, Andre. We're going 
>> to try and bend the hanger and see how close we can get it. Considering 
>> a 
>> drop out saver from Wheels Mfg. 
>>
>> If that fails I'll see about having a new dropout installed. I gotta 
>> call Will when Riv opens!
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Wow Eric, that was a bad one, glad your ok and the Sam is on the 
>>> mend. Don't forget to check the spokes for nicks, could break easy if 
>>> they 
>>> are.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a 
 beautiful bike.

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks Brian and Danny! 
>
> I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. 
> The limit screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. 
> Still 
> have many good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, 
> too. 
> I'll leave it as-is and pull parts from it as needed. 
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>
>> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. 
>> Even in its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer 
>> sculpture!
>>
>> -Danny
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.
>>>
>>> Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s 
>>> hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) 
>>>
>>> The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>>
 Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The 
 bike stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.

 I saw your subject line 

Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Eric Marth]

Andre attempted to make some further adjustments, the chain still skips. I 
tried installing a Deore XT M771 and that was a little bit better but the 
chain still skips. 

I called Riv and talked to Grant who was eager to see some pictures. Will 
has a new dropout heading to me by mail, now I just need to find someone 
who can braze the new dropout on. The framebuilder I know has transitioned 
from building bikes to chartering boats! 

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:43:30 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Yesterday I brought the frame to my LBS, Bike Works and handed it over 
> to trusted mechanic Andre. He bent the hanger, aligned the dropouts and 
> aligned the hanger. The hanger alignment tool showed the hanger was in 
> plane with the rim. Amazingly the hole took a derailer bolt just fine. It 
> looks terrible but functionality seemed promising. This was all I cared 
> about.
>
> You can see the hole is terribly elongated. 
>
> [image: IMG_6872.JPG] 
>
> [image: IMG_6871.JPG]
>
> Here's my wavy hanger.
>
> [image: IMG_6880.JPG]
>
> Fortunately I have a small collection of Cyclones to draw from. The last 
> one I mangled was beautiful old stock. This one here is almost as nice. 
>
> The bike shifted fine in the stand. But on the road and under load the 
> chain skips in the smallest four cogs. 
>
> Tomorrow I'll take it back to Andre and see if he can't finesse it into 
> shape. 
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:38:04 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Patrick: Sorry about that Fargo but glad to hear it could be repaired. 
>> Replaceable hangers seem helpful!
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:41:41 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> And: I had Chauncey Matthews use a replaceable hanger when he built the 
>>> replacement for the Fargo.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:38 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 FWIW, I had a similar experience with a Fargo when a stick jammed the 
 rd: the hangar was bent 90* inward (and jammed into the cassette; no 
 single-speeding home). The good news, and the point: a LBS was able to 
 unbend the rd to usable status again. The replacement rd worked fine. Of 
 course, YMMV.



 On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 7:50 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Many thanks, John. I'll check out the spokes. 
>
> I've been texting with my local mechanic friend, Andre. We're going to 
> try and bend the hanger and see how close we can get it. Considering a 
> drop 
> out saver from Wheels Mfg. 
>
> If that fails I'll see about having a new dropout installed. I gotta 
> call Will when Riv opens!
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Wow Eric, that was a bad one, glad your ok and the Sam is on the 
>> mend. Don't forget to check the spokes for nicks, could break easy if 
>> they 
>> are.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a 
>>> beautiful bike.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Brian and Danny! 

 I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. 
 The limit screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. 
 Still 
 have many good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, 
 too. 
 I'll leave it as-is and pull parts from it as needed. 

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:

> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. 
> Even in its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer 
> sculpture!
>
> -Danny
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner  
> wrote:
>
>> I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.
>>
>> Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s 
>> hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) 
>>
>> The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The 
>>> bike stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.
>>>
>>> I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading 
>>> your story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to 
>>> actually work?!?"
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! 

Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Eric Marth]

Patrick: Sorry about that Fargo but glad to hear it could be repaired. 
Replaceable hangers seem helpful!

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:41:41 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And: I had Chauncey Matthews use a replaceable hanger when he built the 
> replacement for the Fargo.
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:38 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I had a similar experience with a Fargo when a stick jammed the rd: 
>> the hangar was bent 90* inward (and jammed into the cassette; no 
>> single-speeding home). The good news, and the point: a LBS was able to 
>> unbend the rd to usable status again. The replacement rd worked fine. Of 
>> course, YMMV.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 7:50 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Many thanks, John. I'll check out the spokes. 
>>>
>>> I've been texting with my local mechanic friend, Andre. We're going to 
>>> try and bend the hanger and see how close we can get it. Considering a drop 
>>> out saver from Wheels Mfg. 
>>>
>>> If that fails I'll see about having a new dropout installed. I gotta 
>>> call Will when Riv opens!
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Wow Eric, that was a bad one, glad your ok and the Sam is on the mend. 
 Don't forget to check the spokes for nicks, could break easy if they are.

 JohnS


 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a 
> beautiful bike.
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Brian and Danny! 
>>
>> I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. The 
>> limit screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. Still 
>> have 
>> many good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, too. 
>> I'll 
>> leave it as-is and pull parts from it as needed. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even 
>>> in its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!
>>>
>>> -Danny
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.

 Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s 
 hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.

 On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) 

 The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall. 

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The 
> bike stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.
>
> I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your 
> story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to 
> actually 
> work?!?"
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! 
>>
>> Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow. 
>>
>> Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Yikes, that looks like a mess! 
>>>
>>> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>>>
>>> jared
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m 
 sorry to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel 
 you’ve 
 made, though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers 
 that went 
 through a far more severe crash.

 I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that 
 actually sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger 
 can be 
 fixed with minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame 
 builder might 
 be needed here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt 
 replaceable 
 hangers at some point along the line.


 On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of 
> the pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take 
> turn out to 
> be 

Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Patrick Moore]

And: I had Chauncey Matthews use a replaceable hanger when he built the
replacement for the Fargo.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:38 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> FWIW, I had a similar experience with a Fargo when a stick jammed the rd:
> the hangar was bent 90* inward (and jammed into the cassette; no
> single-speeding home). The good news, and the point: a LBS was able to
> unbend the rd to usable status again. The replacement rd worked fine. Of
> course, YMMV.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 7:50 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, John. I'll check out the spokes.
>>
>> I've been texting with my local mechanic friend, Andre. We're going to
>> try and bend the hanger and see how close we can get it. Considering a drop
>> out saver from Wheels Mfg.
>>
>> If that fails I'll see about having a new dropout installed. I gotta call
>> Will when Riv opens!
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Wow Eric, that was a bad one, glad your ok and the Sam is on the mend.
>>> Don't forget to check the spokes for nicks, could break easy if they are.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a
 beautiful bike.

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Brian and Danny!
>
> I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. The
> limit screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. Still 
> have
> many good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, too. I'll
> leave it as-is and pull parts from it as needed.
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>
>> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even
>> in its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!
>>
>> -Danny
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.
>>>
>>> Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s
>>> hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;)
>>>
>>> The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>>
 Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike
 stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.

 I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your
 story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually
 work?!?"

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Dustin: To answer your question, hell no!
>
> Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow.
>
> Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates.
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Yikes, that looks like a mess!
>>
>> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>>
>> jared
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m
>>> sorry to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel 
>>> you’ve
>>> made, though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that 
>>> went
>>> through a far more severe crash.
>>>
>>> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that
>>> actually sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger 
>>> can be
>>> fixed with minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame 
>>> builder might
>>> be needed here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt 
>>> replaceable
>>> hangers at some point along the line.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>>>
 Eric,

 Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of
 the pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn 
 out to
 be worth it?

 Dustin in VA

 On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth 
 wrote:

 
 Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a
 picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the 
 culvert,
 hidden with 

Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, I had a similar experience with a Fargo when a stick jammed the rd:
the hangar was bent 90* inward (and jammed into the cassette; no
single-speeding home). The good news, and the point: a LBS was able to
unbend the rd to usable status again. The replacement rd worked fine. Of
course, YMMV.



On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 7:50 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Many thanks, John. I'll check out the spokes.
>
> I've been texting with my local mechanic friend, Andre. We're going to try
> and bend the hanger and see how close we can get it. Considering a drop out
> saver from Wheels Mfg.
>
> If that fails I'll see about having a new dropout installed. I gotta call
> Will when Riv opens!
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Wow Eric, that was a bad one, glad your ok and the Sam is on the mend.
>> Don't forget to check the spokes for nicks, could break easy if they are.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a
>>> beautiful bike.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Brian and Danny!

 I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. The
 limit screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. Still have
 many good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, too. I'll
 leave it as-is and pull parts from it as needed.

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:

> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even
> in its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!
>
> -Danny
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.
>>
>> Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s
>> hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;)
>>
>> The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike
>>> stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.
>>>
>>> I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your
>>> story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually
>>> work?!?"
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dustin: To answer your question, hell no!

 Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow.

 Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates.

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:

> Yikes, that looks like a mess!
>
> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>
> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>
> jared
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m
>> sorry to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel 
>> you’ve
>> made, though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that 
>> went
>> through a far more severe crash.
>>
>> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that
>> actually sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger 
>> can be
>> fixed with minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame 
>> builder might
>> be needed here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt 
>> replaceable
>> hangers at some point along the line.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of
>>> the pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn 
>>> out to
>>> be worth it?
>>>
>>> Dustin in VA
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a
>>> picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the 
>>> culvert,
>>> hidden with fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm 
>>> fine!
>>>
>>> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had
>>> rotated 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I 
>>> spun the
>>> crank while off the bike and 

Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Eric Marth]

Many thanks, John. I'll check out the spokes. 

I've been texting with my local mechanic friend, Andre. We're going to try 
and bend the hanger and see how close we can get it. Considering a drop out 
saver from Wheels Mfg. 

If that fails I'll see about having a new dropout installed. I gotta call 
Will when Riv opens!

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Wow Eric, that was a bad one, glad your ok and the Sam is on the mend. 
> Don't forget to check the spokes for nicks, could break easy if they are.
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a 
>> beautiful bike.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Brian and Danny! 
>>>
>>> I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. The 
>>> limit screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. Still have 
>>> many good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, too. I'll 
>>> leave it as-is and pull parts from it as needed. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>>>
 Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even in 
 its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!

 -Danny


 On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner  wrote:

> I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.
>
> Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s 
> hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.
>
> On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) 
>
> The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall. 
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike 
>> stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.
>>
>> I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your 
>> story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually 
>> work?!?"
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! 
>>>
>>> Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow. 
>>>
>>> Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>>>
 Yikes, that looks like a mess! 

 Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.

 Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.

 jared

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m 
> sorry to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel 
> you’ve 
> made, though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that 
> went 
> through a far more severe crash.
>
> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that 
> actually sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can 
> be 
> fixed with minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder 
> might 
> be needed here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt 
> replaceable 
> hangers at some point along the line.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of 
>> the pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn 
>> out to 
>> be worth it?  
>>
>> Dustin in VA
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a 
>> picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the 
>> culvert, 
>> hidden with fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm 
>> fine! 
>>
>> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had 
>> rotated 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I 
>> spun the 
>> crank while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd 
>> give 
>> it a go as a single speed. 
>>
>> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at 
>> that time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending 
>> into the 
>> spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if 

Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[JohnS]

Wow Eric, that was a bad one, glad your ok and the Sam is on the mend. 
Don't forget to check the spokes for nicks, could break easy if they are.

JohnS


On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:54:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a beautiful 
> bike.
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Brian and Danny! 
>>
>> I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. The 
>> limit screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. Still have 
>> many good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, too. I'll 
>> leave it as-is and pull parts from it as needed. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even in 
>>> its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!
>>>
>>> -Danny
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
 I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.

 Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s 
 hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.

 On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) 

 The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall. 

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike 
> stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.
>
> I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your 
> story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually 
> work?!?"
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! 
>>
>> Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow. 
>>
>> Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Yikes, that looks like a mess! 
>>>
>>> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>>>
>>> jared
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m 
 sorry to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel 
 you’ve 
 made, though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that 
 went 
 through a far more severe crash.

 I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that actually 
 sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can be fixed 
 with 
 minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder might be 
 needed 
 here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt replaceable hangers 
 at 
 some point along the line.


 On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the 
> pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to 
> be 
> worth it?  
>
> Dustin in VA
>
> On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> 
> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a 
> picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the 
> culvert, 
> hidden with fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm 
> fine! 
>
> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had 
> rotated 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I 
> spun the 
> crank while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd 
> give 
> it a go as a single speed. 
>
> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at 
> that time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending 
> into the 
> spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!
>
> 
>
>
> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger 
> can be bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a 
> frame 
> builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them 
> (including this one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my 
> previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the replacements I 
> picked 
> up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. 
>
> While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if 

Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Josh C]

Wow. That's wild. Glad you're ok. Bummer about the Sam, that's a beautiful 
bike.

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Brian and Danny! 
>
> I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. The limit 
> screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. Still have many 
> good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, too. I'll leave 
> it as-is and pull parts from it as needed. 
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>
>> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even in 
>> its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!
>>
>> -Danny
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.
>>>
>>> Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s hanger. 
>>> I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) 
>>>
>>> The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>>
 Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike 
 stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.

 I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your 
 story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually 
 work?!?"

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! 
>
> Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow. 
>
> Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates. 
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Yikes, that looks like a mess! 
>>
>> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>>
>> jared
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m sorry 
>>> to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel you’ve 
>>> made, 
>>> though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that went 
>>> through 
>>> a far more severe crash.
>>>
>>> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that actually 
>>> sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can be fixed 
>>> with 
>>> minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder might be 
>>> needed 
>>> here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt replaceable hangers at 
>>> some point along the line.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>>>
 Eric,

 Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the 
 pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to 
 be 
 worth it?  

 Dustin in VA

 On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 
 Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a 
 picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, 
 hidden with fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm 
 fine! 

 When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 
 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the 
 crank 
 while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it 
 a go 
 as a single speed. 

 I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at 
 that time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into 
 the 
 spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!

 


 This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger 
 can be bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a 
 frame 
 builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them 
 (including this one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my 
 previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the replacements I 
 picked 
 up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. 

 While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they 
 could help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I 
 replied "I 
 need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"

 Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful. 

 Eric

 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the 

Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Eric Marth]

Thanks Brian and Danny! 

I got the mech freed. The parallelogram housing is twisted, too. The limit 
screws aren't in plane, they're twisted! It's a huge mess. Still have many 
good screws, bolts and springs worth saving. Jockey wheels, too. I'll leave 
it as-is and pull parts from it as needed. 

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:

> Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even in 
> its pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!
>
> -Danny
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>
>> I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.
>>
>> Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s hanger. 
>> I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) 
>>
>> The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike 
>>> stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.
>>>
>>> I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your 
>>> story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually 
>>> work?!?"
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! 

 Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow. 

 Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates. 

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:

> Yikes, that looks like a mess! 
>
> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>
> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>
> jared
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m sorry 
>> to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel you’ve 
>> made, 
>> though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that went 
>> through 
>> a far more severe crash.
>>
>> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that actually 
>> sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can be fixed 
>> with 
>> minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder might be 
>> needed 
>> here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt replaceable hangers at 
>> some point along the line.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the 
>>> pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to 
>>> be 
>>> worth it?  
>>>
>>> Dustin in VA
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a 
>>> picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, 
>>> hidden with fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm 
>>> fine! 
>>>
>>> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 
>>> 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the 
>>> crank 
>>> while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it 
>>> a go 
>>> as a single speed. 
>>>
>>> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at that 
>>> time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into the 
>>> spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger 
>>> can be bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a frame 
>>> builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them 
>>> (including this one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my 
>>> previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the replacements I 
>>> picked 
>>> up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. 
>>>
>>> While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they 
>>> could help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I 
>>> replied "I 
>>> need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"
>>>
>>> Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Danny]

Sorry about the hanger damage, but good to hear that you're ok. Even in its
pretzelized state, it's a good looking derailer sculpture!

-Danny


On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 6:42 PM Brian Turner  wrote:

> I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.
>
> Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s hanger.
> I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.
>
> On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;)
>
> The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall.
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike stuff
>> is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.
>>
>> I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your story,
>> and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually work?!?"
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dustin: To answer your question, hell no!
>>>
>>> Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>>>
 Yikes, that looks like a mess!

 Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.

 Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.

 jared

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m sorry
> to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel you’ve made,
> though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that went through
> a far more severe crash.
>
> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that actually
> sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can be fixed with
> minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder might be needed
> here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt replaceable hangers at
> some point along the line.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the
>> pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to be
>> worth it?
>>
>> Dustin in VA
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a picture.
>> I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, hidden with
>> fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm fine!
>>
>> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated
>> 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the crank
>> while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it a 
>> go
>> as a single speed.
>>
>> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at that
>> time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into the
>> spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger can
>> be bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a frame
>> builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them
>> (including this one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my
>> previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the replacements I 
>> picked
>> up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin.
>>
>> While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they
>> could help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I replied 
>> "I
>> need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"
>>
>> Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful.
>>
>> Eric
>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Brian Turner]

I’m just over here hungry for pretzels.Seriously though, glad you’re ok, and I’m sorry about your Sam’s hanger. I’m sure it’ll be up and running strong again soon.On Jul 23, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall. On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike stuff is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your story, and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually work?!?"On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow. Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates. On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:Yikes, that looks like a mess! Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.jaredOn Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m sorry to hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel you’ve made, though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that went through a far more severe crash.I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that actually sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can be fixed with minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder might be needed here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt replaceable hangers at some point along the line.On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:Eric,Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to be worth it?  Dustin in VAOn Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, hidden with fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm fine! When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the crank while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it a go as a single speed. I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at that time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into the spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger can be bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a frame builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them (including this one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the replacements I picked up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they could help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I replied "I need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful. Eric



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Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Jim. Just a bit of my own patented brand of sarcasm ;) 

The damage is waaay out of proportion to the fall. 

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:57:30 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike stuff 
> is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.
>
> I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your story, 
> and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually work?!?"
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! 
>>
>> Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow. 
>>
>> Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Yikes, that looks like a mess! 
>>>
>>> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>>>
>>> jared
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m sorry to 
 hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel you’ve made, 
 though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that went through 
 a far more severe crash.

 I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that actually 
 sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can be fixed with 
 minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder might be needed 
 here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt replaceable hangers at 
 some point along the line.


 On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the 
> pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to be 
> worth it?  
>
> Dustin in VA
>
> On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> 
> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a picture. 
> I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, hidden with 
> fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm fine! 
>
> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 
> 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the crank 
> while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it a 
> go 
> as a single speed. 
>
> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at that 
> time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into the 
> spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!
>
> 
>
>
> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger can 
> be bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a frame 
> builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them 
> (including this one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my 
> previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the replacements I 
> picked 
> up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. 
>
> While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they 
> could help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I replied 
> "I 
> need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"
>
> Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful. 
>
> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[J J]

Wow... the most important thing is that you're fine, Eric. The bike stuff 
is "just" bike stuff, repairable or replaceable.

I saw your subject line and glanced at the pic before reading your story, 
and at first I thought, "dang, did he get that thing to actually work?!?"

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:30:46 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! 
>
> Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow. 
>
> Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates. 
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Yikes, that looks like a mess! 
>>
>> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>>
>> jared
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m sorry to 
>>> hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel you’ve made, 
>>> though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that went through 
>>> a far more severe crash.
>>>
>>> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that actually 
>>> sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can be fixed with 
>>> minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder might be needed 
>>> here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt replaceable hangers at 
>>> some point along the line.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>>>
 Eric,

 Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the 
 pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to be 
 worth it?  

 Dustin in VA

 On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 
 Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a picture. I 
 rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, hidden with 
 fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm fine! 

 When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 
 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the crank 
 while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it a 
 go 
 as a single speed. 

 I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at that 
 time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into the 
 spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!

 


 This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger can 
 be bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a frame 
 builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them 
 (including this one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my 
 previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the replacements I picked 
 up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. 

 While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they could 
 help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I replied "I 
 need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"

 Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful. 

 Eric

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Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Eric Marth]

Dustin: To answer your question, hell no! 

Ted: Gonna text the frame builder I know tomorrow. 

Jared: Thanks! I'll share again when I have some updates. 

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:

> Yikes, that looks like a mess! 
>
> Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.
>
> Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.
>
> jared
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m sorry to 
>> hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel you’ve made, 
>> though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that went through 
>> a far more severe crash.
>>
>> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that actually 
>> sounds like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can be fixed with 
>> minimal fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder might be needed 
>> here. It always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt replaceable hangers at 
>> some point along the line.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the 
>>> pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to be 
>>> worth it?  
>>>
>>> Dustin in VA
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a picture. I 
>>> rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, hidden with 
>>> fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm fine! 
>>>
>>> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 90º. 
>>> And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the crank while 
>>> off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it a go as a 
>>> single speed. 
>>>
>>> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at that 
>>> time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into the 
>>> spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger can be 
>>> bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a frame builder. 
>>> That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them (including this 
>>> one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my previous Cyclone 
>>> recently failed. This is one of the replacements I picked up. It was in 
>>> excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. 
>>>
>>> While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they could 
>>> help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I replied "I 
>>> need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"
>>>
>>> Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful. 
>>>
>>> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[jaredwilson]

Yikes, that looks like a mess! 

Glad you're okay and it's now another part of that Sam's history.

Looking forward to seeing your repair updates.

jared

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m sorry to 
> hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel you’ve made, 
> though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that went through 
> a far more severe crash.
>
> I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that actually sounds 
> like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can be fixed with minimal 
> fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder might be needed here. It 
> always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt replaceable hangers at some point 
> along the line.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the 
>> pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to be 
>> worth it?  
>>
>> Dustin in VA
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a picture. I 
>> rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, hidden with 
>> fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm fine! 
>>
>> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 90º. 
>> And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the crank while 
>> off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it a go as a 
>> single speed. 
>>
>> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at that time 
>> the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into the spokes and 
>> throwing the chain. It was really fun!
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger can be 
>> bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a frame builder. 
>> That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them (including this 
>> one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my previous Cyclone 
>> recently failed. This is one of the replacements I picked up. It was in 
>> excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. 
>>
>> While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they could 
>> help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I replied "I 
>> need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"
>>
>> Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful. 
>>
>> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Ted W]

Wow, I’m glad to hear that it was only a minor tumble, but I’m sorry to
hear about the derailler… again. That’s quite the pretzel you’ve made,
though! I’m not sure I’ve seen such, save for deraillers that went through
a far more severe crash.

I might be crazy, but restoring a busted up mech like that actually sounds
like it would be a fun challenge. Hope the hanger can be fixed with minimal
fuss but I think you may be right, a frame builder might be needed here. It
always baffled me that Riv didn’t adopt replaceable hangers at some point
along the line.


On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 3:20 PM D D  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the
> pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to be
> worth it?
>
> Dustin in VA
>
> On Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> 
> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a picture. I
> rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, hidden with
> fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm fine!
>
> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 90º.
> And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the crank while
> off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it a go as a
> single speed.
>
> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at that time
> the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into the spokes and
> throwing the chain. It was really fun!
>
> 
>
>
> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger can be
> bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a frame builder.
> That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them (including this
> one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my previous Cyclone
> recently failed. This is one of the replacements I picked up. It was in
> excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin.
>
> While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they could
> help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I replied "I
> need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"
>
> Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful.
>
> Eric
>
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Re: [RBW] Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

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Eric,Sorry to hear about your misadventure. Thanks for the photo of the pretzel. Did the photo you originally pulled over to take turn out to be worth it?  Dustin in VAOn Jul 23, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, hidden with fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm fine! When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the crank while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it a go as a single speed. I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at that time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into the spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger can be bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a frame builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them (including this one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the replacements I picked up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they could help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I replied "I need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful. Eric



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