Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I need to show this thread to my wife...she just doesn't understand why any 
person would need or want multiple bikes. But then she doesn't have any 
hobbies so how would she understand.
I have two Sams( a single and double top tube ) and a Cheviot.
If I was to get another Riv it would be a custom Bombadil.

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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[masmojo]

I have two things that would wrest open my wallet. First, another red Rosco 
with vertical rear drop outs instead of the horizontal ones the last one came 
with. Same color or maybe a bit more Crimson!

#2 would be a Gloripillar or Hunqabury; basically a custom low standover 
Hunqapillar. It's on my "to do" list,  but if Rivendell could just do it, I'd 
be on board. 

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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Patrick Moore]

If I could justify the money, I'd order another custom just like my 2
existing customs (26" wheel road bikes), but this one as a stripped down
gofast.

Good things come in 3s!

Just may do that, but probably shouldn't, given cheaper alternatives and my
mileage; in fact, wonder if a 3d road bike is necessary ...

Or, I could just order a Roadeo ...and try tubulars for the first time ...

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:56 PM, Paul Y  wrote:

> I'm very late to this... I have a 56 2TT Sam,built tank mode, and a 59
> Roadeo in Rando mode. I love how fast the Roadeo is to pedal but prefer the
> leisurely carving of the Sam, which I imagine is due to the long wheelbase
> and slack geometry. I think a Sam with Roadeo tubing might be the ticket...
> I should probably buy a single TT Sam or an AHH and see how I go with that
> first though.
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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[lconley]

>
> To be perfectly honest, there is a part of me that wants to get one of the 
>> black single TT 55 cant--Sams and move all the parts over from my orange 
>> double TT Sam. I do have a Dremel and black is really easy to match for 
>> small touch-ups.
>
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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Jim Bronson]

I would like something more randonneuring oriented, medium trail for front
bag load, clearance for fenders and 42mm slicks, more lightweight tubing
like the Rambouillet of yore.

Obviously the Rando market is not that big, so whatever Grant
rationalization/riv-specific marketing speak had to be put in place to sell
it to non-randos, I would be fine with that.

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> It’s late and I’ve been inspired by lum gim fongs Willy nilly topic
> creation.  I’ve owned 2 sams,  a hunq, Clem and Atlantis. Down to just an
> Atlantis now and pretty happy. I’ve been thinking about what kind of model
> would get me to buy a new rivendell again. So I pose the same question to
> you all. (Let’s eliminate the things they won’t do, like low trail and disc
> brakes)
>
> For me, it’d be a Roadini with clearances for
> 2.1 tires or a canti cheviot.
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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This all reminds me of a story my dear old uncle Lewy used to regale me 
with when I was a lad.* The story tells of a prince who wants to marry a 
princess, but is having difficulty finding a suitable wife. Something is 
always wrong with those he meets, and he cannot be certain they are *real* 
princesses 
because they have bad table manners or they are too fat or thin or not 
beautiful. One stormy night a young woman drenched with rain seeks shelter 
in the prince's castle. She claims to be a princess, so the prince's mother 
decides to test their unexpected, unwitting guest by placing a pea in the 
bed she is offered for the night, covered by 20 mattresses and 20 
feather-beds. In the morning, the guest tells her hosts that she endured a 
sleepless night, kept awake by something hard in the bed that she is 
certain has bruised her. The prince rejoices. Only a real princess would 
have the sensitivity to feel a pea through such a quantity of bedding, so 
the two are married. They lived happily ever after, and had many princes 
and princesses (who all grew up to be RBW Owners Bunch forum members;^)

The story ends with the pea being placed in a museum, where according to 
the storyteller it can still be seen today, unless someone has removed it.


*most of the words after the asterisk are not mine (or uncle Lewy's)

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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Bill Lindsay]

The difference between a Samuel Hillborne and a hypothetical lugged Roadini is 
what?  Maybe former to eight ounces in the scale?  Do a light build on a Sam 
and Bob’s your uncle. 

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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Dave Small]

A Roadeo made in Taiwan, priced like a Sam or Cheviot. Or a lugged Roadini. 
 

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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Bob B]

I want a [rosco] mountain mixte in my size to be my ultimate utilitarian 
city bike that I can ride far and load up and camp with (I was in between 
sizes at 89.5pbh with short arms, so, like, a 58cm with no more than 60cm 
virtual top tube). I'd junk it up visually but in a way I like (call it 
"beausage") and have it secretly be the smoothest most satisfying ride. And 
I see the tigs as an asset in NYC -- can't have a dandy-looking bike in 
this city.

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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Melanie]

I'm with Lum on a 650B Roadeo, but give me V brakes, and in dark Burgundy, 
please.

On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 1:41:39 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Canti, 650b Roadeo
>
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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Steven Sweedler]

On my last small order I asked for  26” canti braked bike for 2.2” tires
kind of like the early All Rounders (without the price of a custom), I have
a 96 canti custom road, designed for 28 w/ fenders, I run it with 32s
w/out, also have a 2000 AR, 700 x 44s, 50s are way too tight but  the wheel
will spin. Steve

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 8:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> ..but if I WAS going to design a bike park Bomba I could actually afford,
> it would be a Hunqadiscer: a semi-TIGed Hunqapillar-type frame with disc
> brakes at a Clem/Roadini price point. I think Grant would sell a stack of
> those right away.
>
> Joe "yes I would buy one" Bernard
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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Lum Gim Fong]

Canti, 650b Roadeo

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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[RJM]

Thanks Tim, 

Yeah, I may eventually do that but I think if I were to go custom I would 
talk myself into a sweet mountain mixte. A few years ago there was a blug 
article (I think it was even before the blug was a thing) about a mountain 
mixte that was brown and cream in color. Great lugs on that bike. That bike 
with clearance for a 2.2 knobby and stout enough tubes in the right places 
to take the abuse of a rooty and rocky trail would be sweet. I'd get it in 
purple too. 

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> RJM- you can still order a Legolas. But I think at custom pricing. 
>
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> > On Feb 3, 2018, at 7:38 AM, RJM  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > I have two. 
> > 
> > First is a Legolas cyclocross bike. I’ve started racing cross this year 
> for fun and found out it is an awesome good time. A Legolas I would buy 
> today, right now. 
> > 
> > Second is a mountain mixte. I’d even take a cheviot with v brakes but 
> I’m not sure if the tubes would be stout enough for what I want to load up 
> and ride. Honestly, I’m seriously thinking about picking up a cheviot or an 
> Appaloosa soon though. 
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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Jonathan D.]

I second a disc braked Sam. 

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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Justin August]

It seems as if several people have said they would basically buy a version of a 
Riv that exists BUT WITH X. As long as that X isn’t disc brakes then you can do 
it. Just pay for a custom and keep them in cash flow!

-J

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wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
> > > Jeff,
> > >
> > > Aside from the discs, how does the Space Horse compare to the Sam?
> > >
> >
> > I'm not a good student of how and why all of the possible bike geometry 
> > variables can inform actual and perceived comfort and performance on a 
> > bike, but there's something about the Sam (I think mine was second gen, 
> > when they still came in 60cm sizing) in how it felt and rode that I've not 
> > felt repeated on any other bike I've owned, including the other Riv's - 
> > there was some magic in it for me, my size and shape, and athletic 
> > capabilities.
> >
> > That said, the Space Horse is a stellar bike that has made me happy over 
> > many miles over various distances and terrain. It rides well unloaded and 
> > under load, and forgives long days under a exuberant or tired rider. It's a 
> > great bike, but it's lacking that Sam Hillborne magic, that you would never 
> > accuse it of lacking, if you'd not synced up with a Sam like I did. I've no 
> > regrets, but I'd also happily test a disc-braked Sam if it ever came into 
> > existence.
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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

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On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> Aside from the discs, how does the Space Horse compare to the Sam?
>
>
I'm not a good student of how and why all of the possible bike geometry
variables can inform actual and perceived comfort and performance on a
bike, but there's something about the Sam (I think mine was second gen,
when they still came in 60cm sizing) in how it felt and rode that I've not
felt repeated on any other bike I've owned, including the other Riv's -
there was some magic in it for me, my size and shape, and athletic
capabilities.

That said, the Space Horse is a stellar bike that has made me happy over
many miles over various distances and terrain. It rides well unloaded and
under load, and forgives long days under a exuberant or tired rider. It's a
great bike, but it's lacking that Sam Hillborne magic, that you would never
accuse it of lacking, if you'd not synced up with a Sam like I did. I've no
regrets, but I'd also happily test a disc-braked Sam if it ever came into
existence.

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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Patrick Moore]

Light-tubed, no-holds-barred roadie bike at the level of the Roadeo, with
Roadeo geometry, with 120 mm OL rear spacing (or less!), and
more-than-Campy-1010 rear dropouts or slanted track ends. I'd pay an
additional $500 if it was built around 26" wheels.

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 1:21 AM, drew  wrote:

> It’s late and I’ve been inspired by lum gim fongs Willy nilly topic
> creation.  I’ve owned 2 sams,  a hunq, Clem and Atlantis. Down to just an
> Atlantis now and pretty happy. I’ve been thinking about what kind of model
> would get me to buy a new rivendell again. So I pose the same question to
> you all. (Let’s eliminate the things they won’t do, like low trail and disc
> brakes)
>
> For me, it’d be a Roadini with clearances for
> 2.1 tires or a canti cheviot.
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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Eric Daume]

Jeff,

Aside from the discs, how does the Space Horse compare to the Sam?

Thanks,

Eric
With no Rivs in the stable at all


On Saturday, February 3, 2018, Jeff Lesperance 
wrote:

> After my bike stable grew to a state where there were too many bikes that
> went entirely unridden, I've been on a mission to pare down to the least
> number of bikes to satisfy a majority of my cycling interests and not feel
> like too many of my bikes are serving a "I need stuff" need. I'm currently
> at:
>
> 1. Rivendell Rosco Bubbe v2 - semi-upright cruiser - which I've nearly
> stopped riding and should be voted out of the stable
> 2. All City Space Horse Disc - all arounder, replaced Sam Hillborne in the
> interest of similar Sam capabilities with disc brakes
> 3. Surly Troll - rougher stuff riding/touring when underbiking the Space
> Horse is less desirable
> 4. Bike Friday Family Tandem - for enjoying cycling with my kids
>
> (The stable did include Sam, AHH, and Romulus at one point in time)
>
> I would immediately replace #2 and #3 with a Riv if a verboten feature
> were made an option on Sam, Appa, Atlantis, or Hunq.
>
> The possible gap in my bike collection otherwise could possibly be a
> go-fast type of steed, replacing the cruiser slot, though I've had a few
> bikes that have fit this mold over the years and found them to get only a
> small percentage of riding time. That said, I should probably consider a
> Roadini - that's the most likely Riv addition if nothing else changes in
> their lineup.
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 3:21 AM, drew  wrote:
>
>> It’s late and I’ve been inspired by lum gim fongs Willy nilly topic
>> creation.  I’ve owned 2 sams,  a hunq, Clem and Atlantis. Down to just an
>> Atlantis now and pretty happy. I’ve been thinking about what kind of model
>> would get me to buy a new rivendell again. So I pose the same question to
>> you all. (Let’s eliminate the things they won’t do, like low trail and disc
>> brakes)
>>
>> For me, it’d be a Roadini with clearances for
>> 2.1 tires or a canti cheviot.
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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Tim Gavin]

RJM- you can still order a Legolas. But I think at custom pricing.

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> On Feb 3, 2018, at 7:38 AM, RJM  wrote:
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> I have two. 
> 
> First is a Legolas cyclocross bike. I’ve started racing cross this year for 
> fun and found out it is an awesome good time. A Legolas I would buy today, 
> right now.
> 
> Second is a mountain mixte. I’d even take a cheviot with v brakes but I’m not 
> sure if the tubes would be stout enough for what I want to load up and ride. 
> Honestly, I’m seriously thinking about picking up a cheviot or an Appaloosa 
> soon though. 
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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Jeff Lesperance]

After my bike stable grew to a state where there were too many bikes that
went entirely unridden, I've been on a mission to pare down to the least
number of bikes to satisfy a majority of my cycling interests and not feel
like too many of my bikes are serving a "I need stuff" need. I'm currently
at:

1. Rivendell Rosco Bubbe v2 - semi-upright cruiser - which I've nearly
stopped riding and should be voted out of the stable
2. All City Space Horse Disc - all arounder, replaced Sam Hillborne in the
interest of similar Sam capabilities with disc brakes
3. Surly Troll - rougher stuff riding/touring when underbiking the Space
Horse is less desirable
4. Bike Friday Family Tandem - for enjoying cycling with my kids

(The stable did include Sam, AHH, and Romulus at one point in time)

I would immediately replace #2 and #3 with a Riv if a verboten feature were
made an option on Sam, Appa, Atlantis, or Hunq.

The possible gap in my bike collection otherwise could possibly be a
go-fast type of steed, replacing the cruiser slot, though I've had a few
bikes that have fit this mold over the years and found them to get only a
small percentage of riding time. That said, I should probably consider a
Roadini - that's the most likely Riv addition if nothing else changes in
their lineup.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD


On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 3:21 AM, drew  wrote:

> It’s late and I’ve been inspired by lum gim fongs Willy nilly topic
> creation.  I’ve owned 2 sams,  a hunq, Clem and Atlantis. Down to just an
> Atlantis now and pretty happy. I’ve been thinking about what kind of model
> would get me to buy a new rivendell again. So I pose the same question to
> you all. (Let’s eliminate the things they won’t do, like low trail and disc
> brakes)
>
> For me, it’d be a Roadini with clearances for
> 2.1 tires or a canti cheviot.
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