[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
Here's another $0.02 on rotomolding vs. ... Looking back on the hull construction process of My Tiger II to date, I think that if I were going for repeatability (and Rommel only knows why I'd need more than one beast of this size unless I planned to sell'em, which seems an unlikely proposition), I'd build wooden master molds and make the parts of fiberglass, as Paul did. In fact, that might be a good solution for the fenders, which I won't build until the tracks are on. I'd planned to use sheet aluminum, but I worry about paint adhesion. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
SteveH wrote: I'd planned to use sheet aluminum, but I worry about paint adhesion. When properly treated and when using the proper primer, painting aluminum is not a big deal. A good marine metal primer by itself will do a good job, or you can anodize the surface first for even better results. If the metal primer is a two-part primer, then it probably already includes the anodizing chemicals ... read the label. Frank P. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
Thank you, Frank. As always, you're of great assistance. I'll get a suitable marine primer from the local Bliss Marine... Regards, Steve On Dec 15, 10:31 am, Frank Pittelli frank.pitte...@gmail.com wrote: SteveH wrote: I'd planned to use sheet aluminum, but I worry about paint adhesion. When properly treated and when using the proper primer, painting aluminum is not a big deal. A good marine metal primer by itself will do a good job, or you can anodize the surface first for even better results. If the metal primer is a two-part primer, then it probably already includes the anodizing chemicals ... read the label. Frank P. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
In a message dated 12/15/2008 9:44:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, n1xnx...@gmail.com writes: for the fenders, which I won't build until the tracks are on. I'd planned to use sheet aluminum, but I worry about paint adhesion. Frank just uses regular sheet metal on his Tiger (i'll be going that route when i get that far along), so just primer and paint would work fine Chris, _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
Rotomolding your own parts doesn't seem to be beyond the resourceful do-it-yourselfer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ISPfo6U1A http://www.bjbenterprises.com/pdf/TC-850.pdf http://www.solsylva.com/cnc/rotomolder.shtml Steve Tyng On Dec 12, 8:48 pm, Joe Sommer anvil...@comcast.net wrote: The rotomolded plastic Panther arrived today from Tim Loeb at Plastic Panzershttp://www.plasticpanzers.8k.com/ It is awesome. While it is too big for DW960 drill motors, it is perfect for an aluminum hull with M01 motors. I will post a couple photos before I begin hacking into it. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
I've seen several that have been made for art projects and custom toys. It doesn't look to be that hard to make happen. Another design: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PzkuMcF46Yfeature=related On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Steve Tyng steve...@gmail.com wrote: Rotomolding your own parts doesn't seem to be beyond the resourceful do-it-yourselfer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ISPfo6U1A http://www.bjbenterprises.com/pdf/TC-850.pdf http://www.solsylva.com/cnc/rotomolder.shtml Steve Tyng On Dec 12, 8:48 pm, Joe Sommer anvil...@comcast.net wrote: The rotomolded plastic Panther arrived today from Tim Loeb at Plastic Panzershttp://www.plasticpanzers.8k.com/ It is awesome. While it is too big for DW960 drill motors, it is perfect for an aluminum hull with M01 motors. I will post a couple photos before I begin hacking into it. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
On Dec 14, 10:36 am, Steve Tyng steve...@gmail.com wrote: Rotomolding your own parts doesn't seem to be beyond the resourceful do-it-yourselfer. Unfortunately, Anvilus Machine Works does not have enough space for a rotomolding gimbal large enough to make a 36 inch long tank hull. Smooth-On also sells liquid rotomolding material. http://www.smooth-on.com/Urethane-Plastic-a/c5_1120_1207/index.html The trial size is only $25. I believe that the rotomolded tank hulls were made from polyethylene pellets melted in a heated rotomold. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
Unfortunately, Anvilus Machine Works does not have enough space for a rotomolding gimbal large enough to make a 36 inch long tank hull. Since I have the space AND if I were still under the delusion there was money to be made in this hobby, I might have built one. Steve Tyng --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
On Dec 14, 4:28 pm, Chris Malton chr...@cmalton.me.uk wrote: Money to be made? Money to be spent, maybe, but money to be made!? Since when did we ever make any money battling these monsters? Chris Chris, We do not provide info nor stats and the side wagers at our battles since this is strictly a gentlemens sport. John laying 3 to 1 on scoring 1st kill in spring Pittelli --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
What is GRP ? - Doug -Original Message- From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com [mailto:rctankcom...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris. b Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:45 PM To: R/C Tank Combat Subject: [TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret does rotomolding have any advantages? Why not just use GRP? Seems like its extra effort for similar results. Chris. b On Dec 15, 11:22 am, jvragu47 jpl...@yahoo.com wrote: On Dec 14, 4:28 pm, Chris Malton chr...@cmalton.me.uk wrote: Money to be made? Money to be spent, maybe, but money to be made!? Since when did we ever make any money battling these monsters? Chris Chris, We do not provide info nor stats and the side wagers at our battles since this is strictly a gentlemens sport. John laying 3 to 1 on scoring 1st kill in spring Pittelli --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
In a message dated 12/14/2008 8:45:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, barthelso...@hotmail.com writes: does rotomolding have any advantages? Why not just use GRP? Seems like its extra effort for similar results. Chris. b i don't really see any benefits to using a rotocast for any of the parts of the tank. tanks parts such as the turret and body just wouldn't cut it with the rotocast, you'd be better off making egg shells with it when it comes to this sport/hobby. items just as engine grill vents, mufflers, road wheels, turret hatches and the likes can be cast in a tough resin such as Task 3 and will hold up just fine. for the hulls and turrets, make them out of fiberglass, metal plating, heavy vacuum form plastic or (the standard) wood, just don't waste your time and money on the rotocast Chris, _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
In a message dated 12/14/2008 8:54:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dwconn...@comcast.net writes: What is GRP ? - Doug glass reinforced P? (plastic comes to mind, but i know that's not right), pretty much fiberglass Chris, _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
I would guess that it's (GRP) this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-reinforced_plastic I would also guess the the main advantage of rotomolding would be the hollow core. I'm not sure that there is any advantage other than that. Perhaps speed and repeatability. I kind of like the method I used for the BT-7 turret shell. I covered a styrofoam core with aluminum foil and applied fiberglass and resin to the outside of it. Paul H. - Original Message - From: Doug Conn dwconn...@comcast.net To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: [TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret What is GRP ? - Doug -Original Message- From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com [mailto:rctankcom...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris. b Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:45 PM To: R/C Tank Combat Subject: [TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret does rotomolding have any advantages? Why not just use GRP? Seems like its extra effort for similar results. Chris. b On Dec 15, 11:22 am, jvragu47 jpl...@yahoo.com wrote: On Dec 14, 4:28 pm, Chris Malton chr...@cmalton.me.uk wrote: Money to be made? Money to be spent, maybe, but money to be made!? Since when did we ever make any money battling these monsters? Chris Chris, We do not provide info nor stats and the side wagers at our battles since this is strictly a gentlemens sport. John laying 3 to 1 on scoring 1st kill in spring Pittelli --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
Hah! No, not worried about shorts. Resin doesn't like sticking to the aluminum. Mostly it stays on the form. Any remaining on the inside is easily peeled off. The only parts that give me fits are areas of the foil that are folded ofer that I've missed, thy have to be chipped off. Paul H. - Original Message - From: odysseyslipw...@aol.com To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: [TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret In a message dated 12/14/2008 9:21:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, phil...@defnet.com writes: I would guess that it's (GRP) this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-reinforced_plastic I would also guess the the main advantage of rotomolding would be the hollow core. I'm not sure that there is any advantage other than that. Perhaps speed and repeatability. I kind of like the method I used for the BT-7 turret shell. I covered a styrofoam core with aluminum foil and applied fiberglass and resin to the outside of it. Paul H. well i'd be, i guessed right i was told once before to use latex paint over the finished foam core. not too worried about having any shorts in the turret? Chris, Odyssey Slipways -- Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
In a message dated 12/14/2008 9:43:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, phil...@defnet.com writes: Hah! No, not worried about shorts. Resin doesn't like sticking to the aluminum. Mostly it stays on the form. Any remaining on the inside is easily peeled off. The only parts that give me fits are areas of the foil that are folded ofer that I've missed, thy have to be chipped off. Paul H. i would have thought the foil would have bonded nicely to the resin, was it epoxy resin or (can't think of the other type that's out there) Chris, _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
GRP is fibreglass (glass reinforced plastic) Fibre glass resin are usually epoxy or polyester, polyester is your basic DIY type resin. I have found coating parts in vaselline (petrolleum jelly) works really well for releasing parts. I plan on making my next tank out of composite materials like fibreglass. Chris. b On Dec 15, 2:59 pm, odysseyslipw...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/14/2008 9:43:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, phil...@defnet.com writes: Hah! No, not worried about shorts. Resin doesn't like sticking to the aluminum. Mostly it stays on the form. Any remaining on the inside is easily peeled off. The only parts that give me fits are areas of the foil that are folded ofer that I've missed, thy have to be chipped off. Paul H. i would have thought the foil would have bonded nicely to the resin, was it epoxy resin or (can't think of the other type that's out there) Chris, _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolco...) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
Joe Sommer wrote: The rotomolded plastic Panther arrived today from Tim Loeb at Plastic Panzers http://www.plasticpanzers.8k.com/ It is awesome. They certainly look nice, Joe, but I didn't see www.rctankcombat.com anywhere on their Links to Great 1/6th Sites :-) Frank P. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
I haven't seen anywhere that said $200 for metal tracks. Am I missing something? Derek On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:07 AM, odysseyslipw...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/13/2008 12:57:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, xchr...@otenet.gr writes: Awsome indeed. You mean that you'll mount the plastic upper hull onto your own home made-hudrocut aluminium lower hull? My guess is that if you run it only on grass, the soft plastic tracks will hold for a long time. Ramon Mendoza upgraded the M10 model to an RC model and added metal tracks. http://www.plasticpanzers.8k.com/images/picture+195.jpg I wonder where he found those. Chrys $200.00 for metal tracks is a great price! Chris, Odyssey Slipways Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[TANKS] Re: rotomolded plastic Panther hull and turret
In a message dated 12/13/2008 10:54:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, frank.pitte...@gmail.com writes: They certainly look nice, Joe, but I didn't see www.rctankcombat.com anywhere on their Links to Great 1/6th Sites :-) Frank P. that's because RCTankCombat is such a great group, the sites server is always overloaded so they haven't been able to access it, so they'll don't know any better (or something like that) Chris, _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
