Re: [RDA-L] Differentiating Names of Persons in RDA name authority records: Questions posted on RDA Cataloging, Google+ Community
I like this display! Clear, gives the user lots of information and explanations, and the labels are okay. Now how do we get there from here? [Lots of stuff deleted to save space. Quote from Dan begins here] Dan Matei said: Under the surface, it would be (very) nice to have the appellation encoded, something like this: appellation namePart type=first namePieter/namePart namePart type=last name spelling preferred=trueBruegel/spelling /namePart namePart type=last name spelling preferred=falseBreughel/spelling /namePart namePart type=last name spelling preferred=falseBrueghel/spelling /namePart namePart type=epithetthe Elder/namePart, called namePart type=sobriquetPeasant Bruegel/namePart, also called namePart type=sobriquetPieter the Droll/namePart qualifierFlemish painter/qualifier timespan type=lifec. 1525 - 1569/timespan /appellation and in this case we could have an explain button, revealing: first name: Pieter last name: preferred spelling: Bruegel alternative spelling: Breughel alternative spelling: Brueghel epithet:the Elder sobriquet: Peasant Bruegel sobriquet: Pieter the Droll qualifier: Flemish painter life: c. 1525 - 1569 Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head, Law Cataloging and Serials D’Angelo Law Library University of Chicago 773-702-9620 p...@uchicago.edu
Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 records in OCLC
My understanding was that we would not recatalog AACR2 master records to RDA. Why would we? Authority records will be updated but why bib records? Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax) From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Carras, Darla Black Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:55 PM To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 records in OCLC At ALA annual, the announcement was made that the comments on the proposal to amend the policy were generally favorable and an announcement would soon be forthcoming. In the meantime, the original policy is still in place. Darla Carras Head, Catalog Management Unit University Library System University of Pittsburgh 412-648-9465 dcar...@pitt.edumailto:dcar...@pitt.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kadri, Carolyn J Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:40 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 records in OCLC Nor have I seen anything to the contrary and I have been keeping my eyes open looking for an update from OCLC on this policy. Therefore, we are not upgrading any I level OCLC existing record to RDA as instructed by OCLC in their policy statement release in 2011. Carolyn Kadri Head Cataloger Special Collections University of Texas at Arlington From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Paige G Andrew Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:33 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 records in OCLC I have not seen a change in this policy yet, so am assuming the answer is No. Paige From: Jacqueline Jo Byrd b...@indiana.edumailto:b...@indiana.edu To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:14:37 PM Subject: [RDA-L] AACR2 records in OCLC [cid:image001.gif@01CD65BA.3AB6BFB0] I am preparing to train some of our catalogers on RDA, and I have a question: Are we now allowed to change a full-level AACR2 record to RDA and replace the master record in OCLC? I know that at one time we were not supposed to do this, but I am wondering whether this has changed. Thanks! Jacqueline Byrd Head, Area Studies Cataloging Section Technical Services Department Herman B Wells Library Indiana University 1320 E. 10th St. Bloomington, IN 47405 TEL: 812-855-4310 FAX: 812-855-7933 b...@indiana.edumailto:b...@indiana.edu inline: image001.gif
Re: [RDA-L] Profession or occupation
I'm not sure this is a conflict as long as the RDA record makes it clear that Sharma, S.K., Major is not the same person as Sharma, S.K. (Military officer). Major is a specific rank and in this case, you could look at Major and Military officer in the same light as different authors having the same year of birth, but different dates of birth. You add the more specific information to distinguish them. Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax) From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of John Hostage Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:47 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Profession or occupation We have come across a potential problem in the application of RDA 9.19.1.6. There is an AACR2 heading already established for 'Sharma, S. K., Colonel'. It has an RDA form in field 700 for 'Sharma, S. K. (Military officer)'. We have another author named Major S.K. Sharma. We are confident that it's a different person and will establish an AACR2 heading as 'Sharma, S. K., Major' but it looks like there will be an unavoidable conflict when/if it is converted to RDA. -- John Hostage Authorities and Database Integrity Librarian Langdell Hall Harvard Law School Library Cambridge, MA 02138 host...@law.harvard.edumailto:host...@law.harvard.edu +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/
Re: [RDA-L] Suspend Rule of 3: was This Week on RDA Toolkit
I have to chime in here-it's a CATALOGING rule, not the law of the land. If you need more than three to describe and improve access to your material, do it. The Cataloging Police are not going to arrest you. I've been breaking rules like this for years and no one ever complained there were more than three authors, editors, etc. named. Most of the requests to update records have asked for more access points, not fewer. I'll also confess to making title added entries that weren't in the rules (such as citation titles) long before they were allowed. You catalog for your own catalog and user base as well as for the national databases. Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax) From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Wayne Richter Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:58 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Suspend Rule of 3: was This Week on RDA Toolkit Elaine Sanchez asked, Hi. With the news that RDA will be further improved, and won't be implemented sooner than 1/13/2013, could we, and how could I, request new AACR2 LCRI's to allow the option to: * Suspend the limitation of the rule of 3 so we can all feel empowered to add more than 3 - I think everyone wants this right away! I agree wholeheartedly with this suggestion. I, for one, would begin immediately to add additional access points for certain kinds of materials if this were the case. If it was allowed but optional, not mandatory, it would certainly benefit our patrons because, like Elaine, I believe there are many who would provide them. We are already able to do this but only locally. What do others think? Wayne Richter Asian Materials Specialist/PCC Liaison The Libraries Western Washington University Bellingham, WA 98225-9103 ALCTS CC:AAM
Re: [RDA-L] Copy catalogers and RDA
I'd appreciate anything you have. It's always easier to build on something than create it yourself. Thanks. Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax) -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Monica Berger Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 9:34 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Copy catalogers and RDA We (City University of NY libraries) are also trying to develop similar documentation for our copy catalogers and acquisitions staff. Perhaps our efforts this should be shared with the entire list.
Re: [RDA-L] Copy catalogers and RDA
While I like Elrod's cheetsheet, it's complicated for our copy catalogers and I have to edit out all the local instructions. Even though he makes it clear what is local and what is RDA, someone will not notice that. But I can direct them to this webpage after their training. Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax) From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Monica Berger Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:04 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Copy catalogers and RDA any comments on Elrod's cheetsheet? http://www.slc.bc.ca/cheats/aacr22rda.htm Prof. Monica Berger Technical Services/Electronic Resources Librarian Ursula C. Schwerin Library New York City College of Technology, CUNY 300 Jay St. Brooklyn, NY 11201-1909 718 260-5488 http://library.citytech.cuny.eduhttp://library.citytech.cuny.edu/ mber...@citytech.cuny.edu Pat Sayre McCoy p...@uchicago.edu 6/9/2011 10:54 AM I'd appreciate anything you have. It's always easier to build on something than create it yourself. Thanks. Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax) -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Monica Berger Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 9:34 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Copy catalogers and RDA We (City University of NY libraries) are also trying to develop similar documentation for our copy catalogers and acquisitions staff. Perhaps our efforts this should be shared with the entire list.
Re: [RDA-L] What do I tell the others?
Adger asked what to tell the reference librarians: Mac said Treaties under first nation (or a single nation if with a group), regardless of number. That should be Treaty authorized access points (what we used to call author/uniform title entreis) are established under first nation named in the treaty which could be based on any translation of the treaty if they aren't identical--so a NAFTA-like treaty could be entered under Canada, the United States or Mexico. And this only happens if the treaty has not already been established--at least that was the instruction for post-Test RDA cataloging. Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax)
Re: [RDA-L] What do I tell the others?
I think so, but I'm not completely clear on whether the alternate access point will be only the jurisdiction as a 710 in the bibliographic record or also a 410 in the authority record. RDA has this nice word record without a log of indication where one is to record the information. Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax) -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 3:23 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What do I tell the others? Won't it have an alternate 'access point' for the other nation(s) too, and thus be findable at either alphabetical location regardless of which nation comes first in the given translation? On 6/2/2011 4:18 PM, Pat Sayre McCoy wrote: Adger asked what to tell the reference librarians: Mac said Treaties under first nation (or a single nation if with a group), regardless of number. That should be Treaty authorized access points (what we used to call author/uniform title entreis) are established under first nation named in the treaty which could be based on any translation of the treaty if they aren't identical--so a NAFTA-like treaty could be entered under Canada, the United States or Mexico. And this only happens if the treaty has not already been established--at least that was the instruction for post-Test RDA cataloging. Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax)
Re: [RDA-L] Indexing 336-384
Ann, Did you do something with the 3XX fields to create a GMD or are your public services librarians relying on the 3XX to tell them what format the record is for? We miss the GMD because it was included in our title list and so far, the 3XXs are not so catalog users have to look at each record to find out what format it's for. Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax) From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Ann Kebabian Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:27 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Indexing 336-384 When we reworked our load tables to accommodate the new RDA MARC fields, we added many of them to our keyword index (336, 337, 338, 351, 380, 381, 382,383, 384, |a only). Our public public services librarians found the GMD to be very useful, so we decided that including the replacement RDA fields might be a help. We don't have enough RDA records yet to see if they're really a help or a hindrance, but we didn't want to eliminate possibilities. Ann Kebabian, Head of Cataloging Colgate University Libraries 13 Oak Drive, Hamilton, NY 13346 Phone: 315-228-7309 Fax: 315-228-7943 Email: akebab...@colgate.edumailto:akebab...@colgate.edu On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Cheryl L. Conway ccon...@uark.edumailto:ccon...@uark.edu wrote: The University Libraries is exploring re-indexing our online catalog. We are wondering: Are libraries planning to index RDA (336-384) fields within their library catalogs? We are especially interested in what others with Innovative Interfaces catalogs are planning to do. Thank you, Cheryl Cheryl L. Conway Head, Technical Services Room 214-C University of Arkansas Libraries 365 N. McIlroy Ave. Fayetteville, Arkansas 72701-4002 phone: 479-575-4812 fax:479-575-4817
Re: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records?
Chris, You're so considerate! Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax) -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Christopher Cronin Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 1:49 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records? [Material deleted} What would you do if RDA is not implemented? Ask me is six weeks. Probably continue cataloging in RDA, if only to give people on this list something to talk about. ___
Re: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records?
Can we really compare our product (metadata/bibliographic records) to a can of corn? One is simple--I want a can of corn. Supermarkets are organized with the canned vegetables together (usually) and for those who cannot read English, there is a picture of corn on the can. One could confuse corn and creamed corn, but that's about as far as it goes. Catalog users want a book/video/CD that they learned about somehow, through a book review, a radio program or in conversation. They remember part of what they need to identify the book--maybe the author or title or part of the title, and they remember the item was published/issued recently. It was about corn. Will they really be happy to browse corn in our catalogs or will they want to combine the author name (or part of the name) they remember and the part of the title they remember and then limit that to the more recent materials the library has concerning corn. Oh yes, it was in English. Never mind the Spanish stuff. Another limit. And then they find that the thing they were looking for is a book and see it's charged out but there's an electronic copy they can view. After reading a bit, they decide that this isn't what they wanted, but something else that turned up in the search list is. Back to the list to look at the next title. And the next, and the next,...until they find one they want. They might also discover by looking at other records with the author's name that the author of the book on corn they found is also the author of a book on beans, or was somehow involved in a documentary about corn. Not quite the same as picking a can off the shelf. Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax) -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of James Weinheimer Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 3:21 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA [text deleted] Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Plans for Existing Bib Records? This shows a completely different attitude toward standards than what is in the other professions. For one thing, newer versions of standards should seek to provide improvements from what they were before, not something worse. Allowing a worse product actually says a lot. Companies whose business is storing and canning corn cannot decide on their own, without any research or discussion from the communities, to declare that the older standards were too high, that now lower standards will be allowed, say which standards they want to follow, and which standards they won't follow. But never fear, the community can trust whatever this specific organization makes because based on the expertise and professionalism of their own employees, nothing bad will happen. This is not how standards work. Any company who tried that with corn or wheat or automobile maintenance or electrical connections would be shut down, no matter how much they might proclaim that their own employees will decide to do even more than is required. Yeah, sure. I don't know how many outside would believe that. --
Re: [RDA-L] FRBR
I really should stay out of this because FRBR makes my head spin, but what the heck, it's Friday--in some way; the Mona Lisa t-shirt is related to the original Mona Lisa and I would argue that they are not different FRBR works but different expressions, maybe not the child of the painting but a second cousin once removed (?). I have always understood the FRBR work to represent Plato's World of Forms idea--the work existed in someone's head (Da Vinci, Jane Austen, Dan Brown) before it was make physical. The first physical piece is the first manifestation. Someone is inspired by this to make it into a movie or a t-shirt or an illustrated edition, but there is still some relation to the first idea--what would the t-shirt be if Da Vinci hadn't painted the Mona Lisa? Something else but not a t-shirt with the Mona Lisa on it. So the t-shirt has to be dependent on the painting already existing, therefore they are somehow related. So as a good FRBR data manager I would have to link them somehow. Maybe the RDA relationships are too limited to express this. Pat Patricia Sayre-McCoy Head of Law Cataloging and Serials D'Angelo Law Library 1121 E. 60th Street Chicago, IL 60637 p-mc...@uchicago.edu 773-702-9620 (office) 773-702-2885 (fax) -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Stephen Early Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 3:20 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR This would be like someone thinking that a t-shirt with the Mona Lisa on it is the work of DaVinci. Which reminds me of Marcel Duchamp's L.H.O.O.Q. (Mona Lisa with a mustache) and the Andy Warhol silk screen prints of Mona Lisa. How would these fit into the FRBR model? (enjoying this very interesting discussion) Stephen T. Early Cataloger Center for Research Libraries 6050 S. Kenwood Chicago, IL 60637 773-955-4545 sea...@crl.edu CRL website: www.crl.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Leigh, Andrea Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:56 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR Jane Austen's novel was the basis for the motion picture Pride and Prejudice, but it is not the work Austen conceptualized. This would be like someone thinking that a t-shirt with the Mona Lisa on it is the work of DaVinci. Andrea -- Andrea Leigh Moving Image Processing Unit Head Library of Congress Packard Campus for Audio Visual Conservation 19053 Mt. Pony Rd. Culpeper, VA 22701 ph: 202-707-0852 email: a...@loc.gov -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of D. Brooking Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:40 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR John, that is a beautiful, eloquent explanation, one that works for me. Thank you. Diana Brooking (206) 685-0389 Cataloging Librarian (206) 685-8782 fax Suzzallo Library dbroo...@u.washington.edu University of Washington Box 352900 Seattle WA 98195-2900 On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Myers, John F. wrote: Kathleen Lamantia wrote: Well, it seems to me that Pride and Prejudice is Jane Austen's conception (work) no matter what form (expression) it takes, so I would answer your 2nd question, is the creator the same? with yes. As to valid alternatives, that seems to me to be cataloger's judgment, so we are left with a situation in which book and movie will or will not be the same work depending on perception - and that's no way to run a railroad. -- My first exposure to FRBR was at an ALA Preconference in 2004, where a slide introducing the Group 1 entities and their relationships included an arrow from Work back to Work, indicating that the Work concept could be extended iteratively to function at higher levels, i.e. in the manner of the superwork or family of works mentioned in other correspondence for this thread. I have not seen that illustration since. All explanations of FRBR since then have clearly articulated that a motion picture adaptation of a novel is a distinct and separate, if related, work. This has been confirmed by subsequent re-examination of FRBR itself, namely the work attribute Form of the Work. To be blunt, this is NOT a matter of cataloger's judgment. Personally, despite an initial tendency to view novel and movie as belonging under the same work (or at least superwork), and a lingering sympathy for that perspective, I have educated myself to respect FRBR's distinction between them as separate works (much as I learned to respect AACR2's take on editors and corporate bodies
[RDA-L] Reprint cataloging
Hi all, Does anyone feel they understand the linking field structure for a reprint well enough to review one I have? I'm not sure I'm phrasing the note in the 775 correctly and would like another opinion. It's no. 73 in the Save file. Pat Patricia Sayre McCoy 1121 E. 60th Street Head, Law Cataloging Serials Chicago, IL 60637 D'Angelo Law Library 773-702-9620 University of Chicago p...@uchicago.edu
Re: [RDA-L] Reprint cataloging
I accidently sent this to the wrong list, but thanks for such a quick response! Thanks. Pat Patricia Sayre McCoy 1121 E. 60th Street Head, Law Cataloging Serials Chicago, IL 60637 D'Angelo Law Library773-702-9620 University of Chicago p...@uchicago.edumailto:p...@uchicago.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Bob Hall Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:34 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Reprint cataloging Hi Pat, Please copy and paste the 773 (and the 580 if the 1st indicator on the 773 is 1). I worked on a two-year project cataloging reprints and analytics; and, 15 years later, they are still part of my workflow. R. -- Robert C.W. Hall, Jr. Technical Services Associate Librarian Concord Free Public Library, Concord, MA 01742 978-318-3343 -- FAX: 978-318-3344 -- http://www.concordlibrary.org/ bh...@minlib.net -- -Original Message- From: Pat Sayre McCoy p...@uchicago.edu To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:18:45 -0600 Subject: [RDA-L] Reprint cataloging Hi all, Does anyone feel they understand the linking field structure for a reprint well enough to review one I have? I'm not sure I'm phrasing the note in the 775 correctly and would like another opinion. It's no. 73 in the Save file. Pat Patricia Sayre McCoy 1121 E. 60th Street Head, Law Cataloging Serials Chicago, IL 60637 D'Angelo Law Library773-702-9620 University of Chicago p...@uchicago.edu
Re: [RDA-L] general interest in RDA
I'm glad to hear that RDA is being included in Cataloging/Metadata classes. I remember my cataloging class (winter 1981) when on the last day of class my instructor passed around a photocopy of an AACR cataloging card and said you'll never see these again. AACR2 began Jan. 1, 1982, but I wondered even at the time what she was talking about since I certainly knew there were millions of AACR records in OCLC. Pat Patricia Sayre McCoy 1121 E. 60th Street Head, Law Cataloging Serials Chicago, IL 60637 D'Angelo Law Library 773-702-9620 University of Chicago p...@uchicago.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Erin Stalberg Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:42 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] general interest in RDA on the topic of library school education ... Jacquie Samples and I taught RDA this fall in our Organization of Materials II class at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. We incorporated RDA in a number of ways: we had students create AACR2 records in one assignment and RDA records in another. In a third assignment, we had them catalog the same resources in both AACR2 and RDA, compare the resulting records, and provide analysis on both the advantages (or disavantages) of each and time/effort/etc. required to create the records. The students read about RDA (both the development of the text and the DLib and Library Technology Reports articles by Diane Hillman Karen Coyle on RDA linked data.(1) They did a lot of FRBR reading as well and we have an in-class exercise where the students create entity relationship diagrams (ERDs) for the DCMI Cataloger Scenarios(2), physically drawing out the Group1/WEMI and Group 2, Group 3 relationships between works on flipchart paper. We discussed confusion/difficulty/disagreements around the various iterations of ERDs that they developed. (We did run out of time on this, the biggest challenge we've learned is how do you cram this all in to a very short semester?!). Finally, we had them watch (for an assignment) Diane Hillman's incredibly excellent AALL screencast(3) and brainstorm what we might be able to do new/interesting with library metadata once our metadata is structured with actionable relationships. We believe students need a decent grounding in both AACR2 and in RDA. Our students will graduate around the time of an adoption decision but definitely before widespread use. We see two challenges -- (1) any RDA continuing education they get after they enter the workplace will presume they know AACR2 and (2) they could be hired into jobs with employers expecting them to have these new-fangled RDA skills and be able to transition a department if RDA gets adopted. Since it is impossible to fit everything into a simple semester, Jacquie I came to use the phrase: we are teaching AACR2 in the context of RDA. This meant that, while we taught AACR2 as well, we did not teach it in the traditional context of ISBD areas but rather in the context of the FRBR entities and the RDA language. Our students will have to report back after they get jobs and tell us if this strategy worked! (I should note that our days job were at NCSU (Jacquie is now at Duke University), and NCSU was an RDA testing participant. We were pretty immersed in RDA all fall which made teaching it at UNC a very natural extension.) Erin Stalberg Head, Metadata and Cataloging North Carolina State University Libraries erin_stalb...@ncsu.edu 919.515.5696 (1) Library Technology Reports: Library Technology Reports, Understanding the Semantic Web and RDA Vocabularies: Two-Issue Set, 46:1/2 http://www.alastore.ala.org/detail.aspx?ID=2909 RDA Vocabularies: Process, Outcome, Use http://www.dlib.org/dlib/january10/hillmann/01hillmann.html (2) http://dublincore.org/dcmirdataskgroup/Scenarios (3) http://www.slideshare.net/smartbroad/aall-denver-2010 On 2/10/2011 1:34 PM, Kathryn La Barre wrote:
Re: [RDA-L] general interest in RDA
Diane, Although not teaching cataloging or metadata creation, I'd love to see your materials. It may help with my copy catalogers' training. Thank you for being so generous. Pat Patricia Sayre McCoy 1121 E. 60th Street Head, Law Cataloging Serials Chicago, IL 60637 D'Angelo Law Library 773-702-9620 University of Chicago p...@uchicago.edu -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Diane I. Hillmann Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:07 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] general interest in RDA Folks: One point I'd like to make as this conversation continues is that incorporating RDA into the curriculum must go beyond teaching RDA as rules. The real changes that RDA brings to the table are in the potential for changes in the DATA we build and share, and that requires looking at the RDA Vocabularies. The course that Nerissa took with me was about RDA as data, and we looked at the rules but talked very little about them. I'm happy to share my syllabus and materials with anyone who wants to take a look. Regards, Diane On 2/10/11 1:34 PM, Kathryn La Barre wrote: Greetings, I've had an off list conversation with Nerissa about the existence of EDUCAT, http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/clw-educat.html And have brought this conversation on RDA-L to the attention of EDUCAT subscribers. I've asked other cataloguing educators on that list about their plans for the cataloguing curriculum (wrt RDA, etc). I'll post a summary here. I work at GSLIS at the University of Illinois, where last Fall, we hosted an RDA practicum for students as part of the national test of RDA . Our experiences there are beginning to filter into the curriculum. I work closely with five adjunct instructors as we continue to shape the future of cataloging education at our institution. We will meet in March to discuss incorporating RDA, and needed changes in our approach to cataloguing education because as Nerissa points out -- students today will be at the forefront! Currently at GSLIS, in addition to discussion of RDA in our beginning and advanced cataloging courses - we cover it in our core required course Information Organization and Access as part of our instructional module about structures and standards which cover FRBR and other Metadata standards. -- Kathryn La Barre Assistant Professor Graduate School of Library and Information Science University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
