Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
Note: LC-PCC PS 6.27.3, on which I believe Kevin bases his comment, is LC practice, not PCC practice, though PCC catalogers are free to follow LC practice. I personally think there are significant problems with using the same access point for the work and the expression, and consequently using a single authority record to represent the two distinct entities. Joan's later response/query about which relationship designator to use (the one related to the work or the one related to the expression) is an example of why this is a problem. Bob Robert L. Maxwell Head, Special Collections and Formats Catalog Dept. 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] on behalf of Joan Wang [jw...@illinoisheartland.org] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 8:39 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions Does that mean it contains both a work and an expression? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu wrote: However, in PCC practice the language element is not used in the access point for an expression in the original language. Consequently, the access point for a work and its original language expression may be identical. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939tel:%28847%29%20491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 9:21 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions In this case the second indicator value 2 tells you that the thing in that field is contained within the resource described, but the coding alone can't tell you whether it is a work or an expression, so the relationship designator allows us to be more specific. You can tell whether it is a work or an expression by the heading (authorized access point). If the heading has elements for an expression such as a language, it contains an expression (with the second indicator 2). Otherwise, it contains a work. My interpretation of RDA Appendix I.1, guidelines for using relationship designators. Anyway, more work is always good :) Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
700 1_ $i Contains (work): $a Estes, David. $t Anna's story. should be 700 12 $i Contains (work): $a Estes, David. $t Anna's story. The PCC recommended guidelines for use of relationship designators (http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/rda/PCC%20RDA%20guidelines/Relat-Desig-Guidelines.docx) say to include the relationship designator even when the MARC coding has the same or similar meaning. In this case the second indicator value 2 tells you that the thing in that field is contained within the resource described, but the coding alone can't tell you whether it is a work or an expression, so the relationship designator allows us to be more specific. Adam Schiff On Thu, 1 Aug 2013, Jean Marie Taylor wrote: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:40:26 -0400 From: Jean Marie Taylor jtay...@wrl.org Reply-To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions Hello, I just entered my first originally cataloged RDA record to OCLC and have a couple of questions if the group would be so kind to review my record. I apologize for bringing up the self-published issue again so soon after the previous discussion but here are my questions: In my record: 264 1[Place of publication not identified] : ǂb [David Estes], ǂc [2012] 264 2[North Charleston, South Carolina] : ǂb [CreateSpace] What is on the resource is: c2012 David Estes Made in the USA, Lexington, KY, 28 June 2013 Amazon has: Publisher: CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform (November 23, 2012) So for the publication statement I have: 264 _1 $a [Place of publication not identified] : $b [David Estes], $c [2012] The author travels all over the world so I didn't think I could use [United States]. For the distribution statement I have: 264 _2 $a [North Charleston, South Carolina] : $b [CreateSpace] I looked up the location of the corporate headquarters of CreateSpace on the Internet. [North Charleston, South Carolina] is required because the place of publication is not provided in the publication statement. Is that correct? [CreateSpace] is not technically required because there is a publisher in the 264 _1 but I wanted CreateSpace in the record. The date is not required in the 264 _2 for the same reason. Is that correct? Also, I think of CreateSpace as more of a manufacturer than a distributor (with Amazon being the distributor) but the recent discussion on the list has been referring to CreateSpace as a distributor and CreateSpace does sometimes refer to themselves as a distributor. ** The other problem is there is a long short story (41 p.) contained in the book. I made this 500 note. Includes Anna's story, a dwellers short story and an excerpt from Fire country, book 1 of The country saga. I added a 700 12 Estes, David. $t Anna's story. I consulted 25.1 and J.5.4 in RDA and the MARC mappings for the whole-part relationship information. I did see examples in the LCPS for something like this: 700 1_ $i Contains (work): $a Estes, David. $t Anna's story. but that wouldn't validate. Also the 774 can be used I think. What is the current best practice in this area? Thanks a lot for your consideration. Jean Marie Taylor Technical Services Williamsburg Regional Library ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax asch...@u.washington.edu http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~
Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
In this case the second indicator value 2 tells you that the thing in that field is contained within the resource described, but the coding alone can't tell you whether it is a work or an expression, so the relationship designator allows us to be more specific. You can tell whether it is a work or an expression by the heading (authorized access point). If the heading has elements for an expression such as a language, it contains an expression (with the second indicator 2). Otherwise, it contains a work. My interpretation of RDA Appendix I.1, guidelines for using relationship designators. Anyway, more work is always good :) Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Adam L. Schiff asch...@u.washington.eduwrote: 700 1_ $i Contains (work): $a Estes, David. $t Anna's story. should be 700 12 $i Contains (work): $a Estes, David. $t Anna's story. The PCC recommended guidelines for use of relationship designators ( http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/**rda/PCC%20RDA%20guidelines/** Relat-Desig-Guidelines.docxhttp://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/rda/PCC%20RDA%20guidelines/Relat-Desig-Guidelines.docx) say to include the relationship designator even when the MARC coding has the same or similar meaning. In this case the second indicator value 2 tells you that the thing in that field is contained within the resource described, but the coding alone can't tell you whether it is a work or an expression, so the relationship designator allows us to be more specific. Adam Schiff On Thu, 1 Aug 2013, Jean Marie Taylor wrote: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:40:26 -0400 From: Jean Marie Taylor jtay...@wrl.org Reply-To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions Hello, I just entered my first originally cataloged RDA record to OCLC and have a couple of questions if the group would be so kind to review my record. I apologize for bringing up the self-published issue again so soon after the previous discussion but here are my questions: In my record: 264 1[Place of publication not identified] : ǂb [David Estes], ǂc [2012] 264 2[North Charleston, South Carolina] : ǂb [CreateSpace] What is on the resource is: c2012 David Estes Made in the USA, Lexington, KY, 28 June 2013 Amazon has: Publisher: CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform (November 23, 2012) So for the publication statement I have: 264 _1 $a [Place of publication not identified] : $b [David Estes], $c [2012] The author travels all over the world so I didn't think I could use [United States]. For the distribution statement I have: 264 _2 $a [North Charleston, South Carolina] : $b [CreateSpace] I looked up the location of the corporate headquarters of CreateSpace on the Internet. [North Charleston, South Carolina] is required because the place of publication is not provided in the publication statement. Is that correct? [CreateSpace] is not technically required because there is a publisher in the 264 _1 but I wanted CreateSpace in the record. The date is not required in the 264 _2 for the same reason. Is that correct? Also, I think of CreateSpace as more of a manufacturer than a distributor (with Amazon being the distributor) but the recent discussion on the list has been referring to CreateSpace as a distributor and CreateSpace does sometimes refer to themselves as a distributor. The other problem is there is a long short story (41 p.) contained in the book. I made this 500 note. Includes Anna's story, a dwellers short story and an excerpt from Fire country, book 1 of The country saga. I added a 700 12 Estes, David. $t Anna's story. I consulted 25.1 and J.5.4 in RDA and the MARC mappings for the whole-part relationship information. I did see examples in the LCPS for something like this: 700 1_ $i Contains (work): $a Estes, David. $t Anna's story. but that wouldn't validate. Also the 774 can be used I think. What is the current best practice in this area? Thanks a lot for your consideration. Jean Marie Taylor Technical Services Williamsburg Regional Library ^^** Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax asch...@u.washington.edu http://faculty.washington.edu/**~aschiffhttp://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~** -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
However, in PCC practice the language element is not used in the access point for an expression in the original language. Consequently, the access point for a work and its original language expression may be identical. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 9:21 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions In this case the second indicator value 2 tells you that the thing in that field is contained within the resource described, but the coding alone can't tell you whether it is a work or an expression, so the relationship designator allows us to be more specific. You can tell whether it is a work or an expression by the heading (authorized access point). If the heading has elements for an expression such as a language, it contains an expression (with the second indicator 2). Otherwise, it contains a work. My interpretation of RDA Appendix I.1, guidelines for using relationship designators. Anyway, more work is always good :) Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System
Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
Does that mean it contains both a work and an expression? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.eduwrote: However, in PCC practice the language element is not used in the access point for an expression in the original language. Consequently, the access point for a work and its original language expression may be identical.*** * ** ** Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 ** ** Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Friday, August 02, 2013 9:21 AM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions ** ** In this case the second indicator value 2 tells you that the thing in that field is contained within the resource described, but the coding alone can't tell you whether it is a work or an expression, so the relationship designator allows us to be more specific. You can tell whether it is a work or an expression by the heading (authorized access point). If the heading has elements for an expression such as a language, it contains an expression (with the second indicator 2). Otherwise, it contains a work. My interpretation of RDA Appendix I.1, guidelines for using relationship designators. Anyway, more work is always good :) ** ** Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
I do think that I am right. It should mean that it contains an expression, although the heading would not have an element for the original language. Sorry about that :) On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Does that mean it contains both a work and an expression? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.eduwrote: However, in PCC practice the language element is not used in the access point for an expression in the original language. Consequently, the access point for a work and its original language expression may be identical.** ** ** ** Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 ** ** Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Friday, August 02, 2013 9:21 AM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions ** ** In this case the second indicator value 2 tells you that the thing in that field is contained within the resource described, but the coding alone can't tell you whether it is a work or an expression, so the relationship designator allows us to be more specific. You can tell whether it is a work or an expression by the heading (authorized access point). If the heading has elements for an expression such as a language, it contains an expression (with the second indicator 2). Otherwise, it contains a work. My interpretation of RDA Appendix I.1, guidelines for using relationship designators. Anyway, more work is always good :) ** ** Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
No. It is possible if we use the same heading to represent a work and its expression (for a compilation). Is that right? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: I do think that I am right. It should mean that it contains an expression, although the heading would not have an element for the original language. Sorry about that :) On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Does that mean it contains both a work and an expression? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.eduwrote: However, in PCC practice the language element is not used in the access point for an expression in the original language. Consequently, the access point for a work and its original language expression may be identical. ** ** Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 ** ** Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Friday, August 02, 2013 9:21 AM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions ** ** In this case the second indicator value 2 tells you that the thing in that field is contained within the resource described, but the coding alone can't tell you whether it is a work or an expression, so the relationship designator allows us to be more specific. You can tell whether it is a work or an expression by the heading (authorized access point). If the heading has elements for an expression such as a language, it contains an expression (with the second indicator 2). Otherwise, it contains a work. My interpretation of RDA Appendix I.1, guidelines for using relationship designators. Anyway, more work is always good :) ** ** Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
So better to put two identical headings, and respectively $i Contains (work) and Contains (expression) -:) On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: No. It is possible if we use the same heading to represent a work and its expression (for a compilation). Is that right? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: I do think that I am right. It should mean that it contains an expression, although the heading would not have an element for the original language. Sorry about that :) On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Does that mean it contains both a work and an expression? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.eduwrote: However, in PCC practice the language element is not used in the access point for an expression in the original language. Consequently, the access point for a work and its original language expression may be identical. ** ** Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 ** ** Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Friday, August 02, 2013 9:21 AM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions ** ** In this case the second indicator value 2 tells you that the thing in that field is contained within the resource described, but the coding alone can't tell you whether it is a work or an expression, so the relationship designator allows us to be more specific. You can tell whether it is a work or an expression by the heading (authorized access point). If the heading has elements for an expression such as a language, it contains an expression (with the second indicator 2). Otherwise, it contains a work. My interpretation of RDA Appendix I.1, guidelines for using relationship designators. Anyway, more work is always good :) ** ** Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
I think if you use Contains (expression) that should be sufficient. If it contains the expression, by definition it also contains the work (since the expression expresses the work). Examples of situations where you're relating to the *work* might be some derivative relationships. The film Doctor Zhivago was based on the *work* that was the novel by Boris Pasternak. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 9:59 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions So better to put two identical headings, and respectively $i Contains (work) and Contains (expression) -:) On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgmailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: No. It is possible if we use the same heading to represent a work and its expression (for a compilation). Is that right? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgmailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: I do think that I am right. It should mean that it contains an expression, although the heading would not have an element for the original language. Sorry about that :) On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgmailto:jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: Does that mean it contains both a work and an expression? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu wrote: However, in PCC practice the language element is not used in the access point for an expression in the original language. Consequently, the access point for a work and its original language expression may be identical. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939tel:%28847%29%20491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 9:21 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions In this case the second indicator value 2 tells you that the thing in that field is contained within the resource described, but the coding alone can't tell you whether it is a work or an expression, so the relationship designator allows us to be more specific. You can tell whether it is a work or an expression by the heading (authorized access point). If the heading has elements for an expression such as a language, it contains an expression (with the second indicator 2). Otherwise, it contains a work. My interpretation of RDA Appendix I.1, guidelines for using relationship designators. Anyway, more work is always good :) Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409tel:618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409tel:618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409tel:618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
I think that you are right. Kevin. For me, I would not put anything. I think that the second indicator 2 is enough -:) Thanks again. Joan Wang On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.eduwrote: I think if you use Contains (expression) that should be sufficient. If it contains the expression, by definition it also contains the work (since the expression expresses the work). ** ** Examples of situations where you're relating to the *work* might be some derivative relationships. The film Doctor Zhivago was based on the *work* that was the novel by Boris Pasternak. ** ** Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 ** ** Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Friday, August 02, 2013 9:59 AM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions ** ** So better to put two identical headings, and respectively $i Contains (work) and Contains (expression) -:) ** ** On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: No. It is possible if we use the same heading to represent a work and its expression (for a compilation). Is that right? ** ** On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: I do think that I am right. It should mean that it contains an expression, although the heading would not have an element for the original language. Sorry about that :) ** ** On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: Does that mean it contains both a work and an expression? ** ** ** ** ** ** On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.edu wrote: However, in PCC practice the language element is not used in the access point for an expression in the original language. Consequently, the access point for a work and its original language expression may be identical.*** * Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Friday, August 02, 2013 9:21 AM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions In this case the second indicator value 2 tells you that the thing in that field is contained within the resource described, but the coding alone can't tell you whether it is a work or an expression, so the relationship designator allows us to be more specific. You can tell whether it is a work or an expression by the heading (authorized access point). If the heading has elements for an expression such as a language, it contains an expression (with the second indicator 2). Otherwise, it contains a work. My interpretation of RDA Appendix I.1, guidelines for using relationship designators. Anyway, more work is always good :) Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
[RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
Hello, I just entered my first originally cataloged RDA record to OCLC and have a couple of questions if the group would be so kind to review my record. I apologize for bringing up the self-published issue again so soon after the previous discussion but here are my questions: In my record: 264 1[Place of publication not identified] : ǂb [David Estes], ǂc [2012] 264 2[North Charleston, South Carolina] : ǂb [CreateSpace] What is on the resource is: c2012 David Estes Made in the USA, Lexington, KY, 28 June 2013 Amazon has: Publisher: CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform (November 23, 2012) So for the publication statement I have: 264 _1 $a [Place of publication not identified] : $b [David Estes], $c [2012] The author travels all over the world so I didn't think I could use [United States]. For the distribution statement I have: 264 _2 $a [North Charleston, South Carolina] : $b [CreateSpace] I looked up the location of the corporate headquarters of CreateSpace on the Internet. [North Charleston, South Carolina] is required because the place of publication is not provided in the publication statement. Is that correct? [CreateSpace] is not technically required because there is a publisher in the 264 _1 but I wanted CreateSpace in the record. The date is not required in the 264 _2 for the same reason. Is that correct? Also, I think of CreateSpace as more of a manufacturer than a distributor (with Amazon being the distributor) but the recent discussion on the list has been referring to CreateSpace as a distributor and CreateSpace does sometimes refer to themselves as a distributor. ** The other problem is there is a long short story (41 p.) contained in the book. I made this 500 note. Includes Anna's story, a dwellers short story and an excerpt from Fire country, book 1 of The country saga. I added a 700 12 Estes, David. $t Anna's story. I consulted 25.1 and J.5.4 in RDA and the MARC mappings for the whole-part relationship information. I did see examples in the LCPS for something like this: 700 1_ $i Contains (work): $a Estes, David. $t Anna's story. but that wouldn't validate. Also the 774 can be used I think. What is the current best practice in this area? Thanks a lot for your consideration. Jean Marie Taylor Technical Services Williamsburg Regional Library
Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
Jean Taylor posted:
264 1[Place of publication not identified] : =C7=82b [David Estes], =C7=82=
c [2012]
While David does travel the world, his current home base is Sydney,
Australia. On the other hand, the item says Lexington, KY, so I
would use 264 1 $a[Louisville, Kentucky?], with brackets and question
mark, since it is inferred from the copyright statement* rather than
being an imprint. Spelled out state since it is supplied rather than
transcribed. That long phrase takes up space and provides no useful
data.
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/3167424.David_Estes
264 2[North Charleston, South Carolina] : =C7=82b [CreateSpace]
I agree that this is not core, but helpful to patrons, and should be
added. I also agree that the 2 for distributor could be 3 for
manufacturer. CreatSpace does offer distribution options other than
Amazon.
https://www.createspace.com/
*What is on the resource is: c2012 David Estes Made in the USA,
Lexington, KY,
__ __ J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
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Re: [RDA-L] 1st original RDA record - questions
CreateSpace also has a manufacturing unit in LExington KY. I would rely on
Amazon stating CreatSpace (which is a print-on-demand subsidiary of them) is
the publisher.
Guy Frost
Associate Professor of Library Science
Catalog Librarian
Odum Library/Valdosta State University
Valdosta, Georgia 31698-0150
229.259.5060
gfr...@valdosta.edu
FDLP 0125
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Jean Taylor posted:
264 1[Place of publication not identified] : =C7=82b [David Estes], =C7=82=
c [2012]
While David does travel the world, his current home base is Sydney,
Australia. On the other hand, the item says Lexington, KY, so I
would use 264 1 $a[Louisville, Kentucky?], with brackets and question
mark, since it is inferred from the copyright statement* rather than
being an imprint. Spelled out state since it is supplied rather than
transcribed. That long phrase takes up space and provides no useful
data.
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/3167424.David_Estes
264 2[North Charleston, South Carolina] : =C7=82b [CreateSpace]
I agree that this is not core, but helpful to patrons, and should be
added. I also agree that the 2 for distributor could be 3 for
manufacturer. CreatSpace does offer distribution options other than
Amazon.
https://www.createspace.com/
*What is on the resource is: c2012 David Estes Made in the USA,
Lexington, KY,
__ __ J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
{__ | / Special Libraries Cataloguing HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
___} |__ \__
