Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?
Examples of the use of fields 344 - 347 now appear in the latest revision of http://www.rdatoolkit.org/sites/default/files/6jsc_rda_complete_examples_bi bliographic_apr0913_rev.pdf Examples of MARC RDA record (JSC) - bibliographic records http://www.rdatoolkit.org/sites/default/files/6jsc_rda_complete_examples_bi bliographic_apr0913_rev.pdf http://www.rdatoolkit.org/sites/default/files/6jsc_rda_complete_examples_bib liographic_apr0913_rev.pdf See examples for audio and video. In the case of the video, the fields appear to duplicate much of the informatiom included in field 538. John Williams Robert H. Evans Library Bologna, Italy http://www.sais-jhu.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:21 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material? I think in 336-338 fields with $3. Do not know 344-347. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:05 AM, John Williams jwilli...@johnshopkins.it wrote: And can fields 344-347 (with an explanatory $3) also be used for accompanying material? John Williams Robert H. Evans Library Johns Hopkins University SAIS Bologna Center http://www.sais-jhu.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Ian Fairclough Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:00 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material? RDA-L readers, A correspondent has sent the following privately: See RDA 3.1.4 and the associated LCPS for several options. If you choose to describe the accompanying material, LCPS says you can either use a $e in the 300 of the primary content, or use a second 300 altogether. You can also repeat the 336/337/338 fields for accompanying material, with an explanatory $3. Hopefully RDA Toolkit will shortly include links to 3.1.4 from AACR2 1.5E and RDA Appendix D.2.1 field 300e. Sincerely - Ian Ian Fairclough - George Mason University - ifairclough43...@yahoo.com -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?
The revised examples are very helpful. Thank you for posting, John. --Pam *Pamela Withrow, MLIS* Cataloger Perma-Bound 217-291-1144 On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:13 AM, John Williams jwilli...@johnshopkins.itwrote: ** ** Examples of the use of fields 344 - 347 now appear in the latest revision of “Examples of MARC RDA record (JSC) – bibliographic recordshttp://www.rdatoolkit.org/sites/default/files/6jsc_rda_complete_examples_bibliographic_apr0913_rev.pdf ” http://www.rdatoolkit.org/sites/default/files/6jsc_rda_complete_examples_bibliographic_apr0913_rev.pdf ** ** See examples for audio and video. In the case of the video, the fields appear to duplicate much of the informatiom included in field 538. ** ** John Williams Robert H. Evans Library Bologna, Italy http://www.sais-jhu.edu ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:21 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material? ** ** I think in 336-338 fields with $3. Do not know 344-347. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:05 AM, John Williams jwilli...@johnshopkins.it wrote: And can fields 344-347 (with an explanatory $3) also be used for accompanying material? John Williams Robert H. Evans Library Johns Hopkins University SAIS Bologna Center http://www.sais-jhu.edu *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Ian Fairclough *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:00 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material? RDA-L readers, A correspondent has sent the following privately: See RDA 3.1.4 and the associated LCPS for several options. If you choose to describe the accompanying material, LCPS says you can either use a $e in the 300 of the primary content, or use a second 300 altogether. You can also repeat the 336/337/338 fields for accompanying material, with an explanatory $3. Hopefully RDA Toolkit will shortly include links to 3.1.4 from AACR2 1.5E and RDA Appendix D.2.1 field 300e. Sincerely - Ian Ian Fairclough - George Mason University - ifairclough43...@yahoo.com -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?
Are they in new version? I feel that they are the same as my previous print-out. But maybe I am wrong :) Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Pam Withrow withr...@perma-bound.comwrote: The revised examples are very helpful. Thank you for posting, John. --Pam *Pamela Withrow, MLIS* Cataloger Perma-Bound 217-291-1144 On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:13 AM, John Williams jwilli...@johnshopkins.itwrote: ** ** Examples of the use of fields 344 - 347 now appear in the latest revision of “Examples of MARC RDA record (JSC) – bibliographic recordshttp://www.rdatoolkit.org/sites/default/files/6jsc_rda_complete_examples_bibliographic_apr0913_rev.pdf ” http://www.rdatoolkit.org/sites/default/files/6jsc_rda_complete_examples_bibliographic_apr0913_rev.pdf ** ** See examples for audio and video. In the case of the video, the fields appear to duplicate much of the informatiom included in field 538. ** ** John Williams Robert H. Evans Library Bologna, Italy http://www.sais-jhu.edu ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:21 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material? ** ** I think in 336-338 fields with $3. Do not know 344-347. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:05 AM, John Williams jwilli...@johnshopkins.it wrote: And can fields 344-347 (with an explanatory $3) also be used for accompanying material? John Williams Robert H. Evans Library Johns Hopkins University SAIS Bologna Center http://www.sais-jhu.edu *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Ian Fairclough *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:00 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material? RDA-L readers, A correspondent has sent the following privately: See RDA 3.1.4 and the associated LCPS for several options. If you choose to describe the accompanying material, LCPS says you can either use a $e in the 300 of the primary content, or use a second 300 altogether. You can also repeat the 336/337/338 fields for accompanying material, with an explanatory $3. Hopefully RDA Toolkit will shortly include links to 3.1.4 from AACR2 1.5E and RDA Appendix D.2.1 field 300e. Sincerely - Ian Ian Fairclough - George Mason University - ifairclough43...@yahoo.com -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?
RDA-L readers, A correspondent has sent the following privately: See RDA 3.1.4 and the associated LCPS for several options. If you choose to describe the accompanying material, LCPS says you can either use a $e in the 300 of the primary content, or use a second 300 altogether. You can also repeat the 336/337/338 fields for accompanying material, with an explanatory $3. Hopefully RDA Toolkit will shortly include links to 3.1.4 from AACR2 1.5E and RDA Appendix D.2.1 field 300e. Sincerely - Ian Ian Fairclough - George Mason University - ifairclough43...@yahoo.com
Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?
And can fields 344-347 (with an explanatory $3) also be used for accompanying material? John Williams Robert H. Evans Library Johns Hopkins University SAIS Bologna Center http://www.sais-jhu.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Ian Fairclough Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:00 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material? RDA-L readers, A correspondent has sent the following privately: See RDA 3.1.4 and the associated LCPS for several options. If you choose to describe the accompanying material, LCPS says you can either use a $e in the 300 of the primary content, or use a second 300 altogether. You can also repeat the 336/337/338 fields for accompanying material, with an explanatory $3. Hopefully RDA Toolkit will shortly include links to 3.1.4 from AACR2 1.5E and RDA Appendix D.2.1 field 300e. Sincerely - Ian Ian Fairclough - George Mason University - ifairclough43...@yahoo.com
Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?
I think in 336-338 fields with $3. Do not know 344-347. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:05 AM, John Williams jwilli...@johnshopkins.itwrote: And can fields 344-347 (with an explanatory $3) also be used for accompanying material? ** ** John Williams Robert H. Evans Library Johns Hopkins University SAIS Bologna Center http://www.sais-jhu.edu ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Ian Fairclough *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:00 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material? ** ** RDA-L readers, A correspondent has sent the following privately: See RDA 3.1.4 and the associated LCPS for several options. If you choose to describe the accompanying material, LCPS says you can either use a $e in the 300 of the primary content, or use a second 300 altogether. You can also repeat the 336/337/338 fields for accompanying material, with an explanatory $3. ** ** Hopefully RDA Toolkit will shortly include links to 3.1.4 from AACR2 1.5E and RDA Appendix D.2.1 field 300e. ** ** Sincerely - Ian Ian Fairclough - George Mason University - ifairclough43...@yahoo.com ** ** -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?
I I have the same problem. I tried to find relevant rules for accompanying materials when I tried to prepare a comprehensive list of examples of 300 fields. The only thing I found in RDA Toolkit is Related Manifestations. I found it through the mapping of MARC fields to RDA under Tools. The term *accompany materials *seems not to appear in RDA Toolkit. I think that we can understand accompanying materials a whole-part relationship between manifestations. Is it the only relationship? Are there relationships at other levels existing? I remember there are four conventions to represent relationships. Is a sub-field in 300 fields among them? Just try to explain that :) Thanks for your help in advance. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.com wrote: RDA-L readers, Final comment for the night :-) RDA does not seem to handle accompanying material, such as a DVD disc published with a book, in quite the way of the past. If you try the easy way of going to AACR2 1.5E and clicking on the RDA link, it takes you to27 .1.1.3 Referencing Related Manifestations (where an LC PCC PS link appears to be addressing a totally different concern.). I saw nothing in RDA advising to add a description of the disc after the description of the book. I tried another easy way, via Appendix D.2.1 Mapping of MARC 21 Bibliographic to RDAunder field 300e, only to be directed to the same RDA instruction. My view of this scenario is that both AACR2 and MARC represent a view of accompanying material that must eventually be deprecated in favor of RDA's approach. But that is pretty radical talk. I found an example of an RDA record where accompanying material has been handled in field 300e as in the past, and it was investigation of this situation that led me to my failure to find instructions in support thereof. Am I right? Or am I missing something? Sincerely - Ian Ian Fairclough - George Mason University - ifairclough43...@yahoo.com -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?
JOHN C ATTIG jx...@psu.edu wrote: I proposed this issue as a project to CC:DA, and there is a Task Force working to draft appropriate instructions for recording both contents notes and accompanying materials statements (and perhaps other things); a preliminary report of this Task Force (which includes a strawman proposal for such instructions) is available at http://alcts.ala.org/ccdablog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/TFrelationships201301.pdf. I for one welcome the strawman proposal instruction 27.1.1.3.2.3 on page 23. As RDA stands now, book-ish accompanying material isn't handled well. -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/
Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?
I'm not understanding what the difficulty is. Maybe it's how someone looks at a part of a resource? If the resource is primarily a book, and has a CD or DVD in a pocket, is that disc accompanying material or is it just a part of the resource? I myself wouldn't consider it an accompanying manifestation, which has the implication of being a separate resource that is related. No, it's a *part of* the entire resource (singular). RDA 3.1.4 seems to take care of this very well. Whether you put the descriptions into a single MARC 300 field or multiple 300 fields depends on how a system is able to handle the data. Ideally, if you want ISBD output, the way a system would process a recording containing mulitple 300 fields would be to just put them all into one Area 5 statement, inserting a plus sign before each of the subsequent 300 fields. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of JOHN C ATTIG Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 9:19 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material? The LC/PCC Policy Statement for 3.1.4 is a combination of pragmatic guidance and instructions carried forward from AACR2; as Ian's initial analysis showed, this practice is not really justified by instructions in RDA. In RDA, accompanying material is treated as a relationship to a Related Manifestation (27.1), specifically an accompanying manifestation (J.4.5). As with all relationships, there are several ways of recording this one: an identifier (if you have a separate description you can link to), an authorized access point (if you can create an access point for the material), or a structured or unstructured description. My interpretation is that the ISBD Accompanying Material element is a structured description of the accompanying manifestation. Unfortunately, RDA contains no *instructions* for recording structured descriptions. This applies not only to accompanying material, but also to other common features such as contents notes. I proposed this issue as a project to CC:DA, and there is a Task Force working to draft appropriate instructions for recording both contents notes and accompanying materials statements (and perhaps other things); a preliminary report of this Task Force (which includes a strawman proposal for such instructions) is available at http://alcts.ala.org/ccdablog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/TFrelationships201301.pdf. Once such instructions have been added to RDA, then the MARC mappings will need to be revised and will be much more helpful. In the meantime, I would advise catalogers -- particularly PCC catalogers -- to follow the LC/PCC policy statement for 3.1.4. And, to respond to a later contribution to this thread, RDA allows any of the elements in Chapter 3 (the 33X and 34X fields) to be recorded to any component of the item, whether the primary component or accompanying material -- if the cataloger believes that this information is important. I would strongly urge that subfield $3 be used to identify the component being described. John Attig ALA Representative to the JSC Penn State University jx...@psu.edumailto:jx...@psu.edu From: Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.commailto:ifairclough43...@yahoo.com To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:00:16 AM Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material? RDA-L readers, A correspondent has sent the following privately: See RDA 3.1.4 and the associated LCPS for several options. If you choose to describe the accompanying material, LCPS says you can either use a $e in the 300 of the primary content, or use a second 300 altogether. You can also repeat the 336/337/338 fields for accompanying material, with an explanatory $3. Hopefully RDA Toolkit will shortly include links to 3.1.4 from AACR2 1.5E and RDA Appendix D.2.1 field 300e. Sincerely - Ian Ian Fairclough - George Mason University - ifairclough43...@yahoo.commailto:ifairclough43...@yahoo.com
Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:56 AM, M. E. m.k.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: I for one welcome the strawman proposal instruction 27.1.1.3.2.3 on page 23. As RDA stands now, book-ish accompanying material isn't handled well. I should clarify that last sentence: if following one of the ISBD options and recording a material description statement in the 300 $e. -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/
Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?
Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.com wrote: Kevin Randall said I'm not understanding what the difficulty is. The difficulty was a couple of missing links in RDA Toolkit. I was not succeeding in getting to the right part of RDA (and in this case, LC PCC PS), namely 3.1.4. The redirects from AACR2 1.5E and from RDA Appendix D.2.1 both take you to 27.1.1.3. You'll find in the third paragraph under 3.1.4 that you're going right back to 27.1 for accompanying material: For instructions on recording information relating to the carrier for accompanying material, see 27.1. RDA 3.1.4 has a closer relationship to AACR2 1.10C2 (e.g., kits). Note that when invoking the RDA instructions--at least by my reading and in its current pre-worded state--you select only one of the three options for describing the carriers of the whole resource. This, instead of mixing and matching, e.g., full details for one part of the resource (300 $a), just bare-bones for the other (300 $e). I've always read RDA's opaque accompanying material instructions with ISBD colored glasses. Accompanying material can be described either with a brief material description in the 300 $e, or in a note, or a combination of the two; putting aside cataloging these separately, I usually prefer the first option. (I'm even tempted to do so for sound recordings.) Putting it there is more in the user's face. With that, I double back to RDA chapters 3 and 7 to fill out that slot. In this respect and in others too, I view RDA providing a big picture, principle-based approach over holding my hand--a real pain in the butt when trying to learn this thing, frankly. I guess that's what community-specific best practices are for. -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/
[RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?
RDA-L readers, Final comment for the night :-) RDA does not seem to handle accompanying material, such as a DVD disc published with a book, in quite the way of the past. If you try the easy way of going to AACR2 1.5E and clicking on the RDA link, it takes you to27.1.1.3 Referencing Related Manifestations (where an LC PCC PS link appears to be addressing a totally different concern.). I saw nothing in RDA advising to add a description of the disc after the description of the book. I tried another easy way, via Appendix D.2.1 Mapping of MARC 21 Bibliographic to RDAunder field 300e, only to be directed to the same RDA instruction. My view of this scenario is that both AACR2 and MARC represent a view of accompanying material that must eventually be deprecated in favor of RDA's approach. But that is pretty radical talk. I found an example of an RDA record where accompanying material has been handled in field 300e as in the past, and it was investigation of this situation that led me to my failure to find instructions in support thereof. Am I right? Or am I missing something? Sincerely - Ian Ian Fairclough - George Mason University - ifairclough43...@yahoo.com
