Re: [RDA-L] RDA and collective title

[Brenndorfer, Thomas]

> -Original Message-
> From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca]
> Sent: August 5, 2011 12:55 PM
> To: Brenndorfer, Thomas
> Cc: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA and collective title
>
> Thomas said:
>
> >Kits come up as an example again in 2.1.2.3, since kits would tend to
> >be characterized as multipart resources not single unit resources.
>
>
> You've put your finger on why we had such difficulty doing an
> intelligible record for a kit using RDA.  A kit is a single item,
> often the only manifestation of the only expression of the work it
> represents.  Perhaps we need "kit" added as a carrier term (although
> it would not fit under any of the carrier categories - possibly having
> parts from any of them), and "mixed" as a content term.  A kit needs
> to be treated as a single whole (which is why I wanted "container"
> added at 2.1.2.2 and not only at 2.2.2).
>


In looking at examples in RDA, it's clear that the number of units for each 
type of carrier, not the presence or absence of a container, is what determines 
if the manifestation is a single unit or a multipart monograph (or a kit).

>From RDA 1.5.2:
a) a resource issued as a single unit (e.g., a single audio disc, a PDF 
document)
b) a multipart monograph (e.g., three videocassettes issued as a set, a kit 
consisting of a digital videodisc, a model, and an instruction booklet)


So it doesn't matter if a set of 3 DVDs come in separate jewel cases, a single 
jewel case, a box or sleeve of some sort-- we measure 3 separate UNITs for the 
carrier in the Extent, not the containers of "3 boxes" or "3 jewel cases" or "1 
box" or "1 jewel case". If the container is important, there are options to 
include it as part of the Dimensions (example at 3.1.4.20), but generally the 
container is not a determining factor declaring something a single unit or a 
kit. The container, though, is important for determining a chief source of 
information for the title, especially if it's a kit.

It seems that the special kinds of objects with all the different kinds of 
material pieces can be handled quite well by using subunits in RDA.

There are numerous examples in RDA where objects, such as games, can have 
subunits, as in 3.4.6.3:
Extent: 1 game (1 board, 50 cards, 5 role cards, 2 dice)

That's a single unit as far as RDA goes (and one carrier: "object"), even with 
all these constituent subunits, but I think we're in multipart monograph 
territory again with this example:

Extent: 2 games (various pieces)

as well as in cases where there are multiple heterogeneous carriers (designated 
with the phrase "various pieces"), but only one predominant carrier type (RDA 
3.1.4.3):

Carrier: sheet
Extent: 43 various pieces
Dimensions: box 20 x 12 x 6 cm

Even with one container, there are multiple units (most, but not all, of them 
of the carrier type "sheet"), and so this is a multipart monograph with the 43 
units for the different carriers. The collective title may very well have been 
on the box in this case, as the container does have an impact in the choice for 
chief source of information but not on the factors relating to carrier and 
extent.

Thomas Brenndorfer
Guelph Public Library

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and collective title

[J. McRee Elrod]

Thomas said:

>Kits come up as an example again in 2.1.2.3, since kits would tend to
>be characterized as multipart resources not single unit resources.


You've put your finger on why we had such difficulty doing an
intelligible record for a kit using RDA.  A kit is a single item,
often the only manifestation of the only expression of the work it
represents.  Perhaps we need "kit" added as a carrier term (although
it would not fit under any of the carrier categories - possibly having
parts from any of them), and "mixed" as a content term.  A kit needs
to be treated as a single whole (which is why I wanted "container"
added at 2.1.2.2 and not only at 2.2.2).  

AACR2 works better for kits, but not for a growing category: kits for
assembly.  While Tinkertoy and Leggo can be called [toy], that does
not work for a kit designed to teach physics students the structure of
an atom, a molecule, or the solar system.  Since there is only one
"material" - usually wood or plastic pieces - cataloguers have been
calling them [realia].  While many are used to create a [model]. as
issued and circulated they are not yet models.  (Seems to me [realia]
would be the actual solar system, molecule or atom :-{)}.)

Library resources are becoming increasingly varied, and neither AACR2
nor RDA are up to the task, RDA even less so that AACR2.  

>I would think the "Mode of issuance" element in 2.13.1.3 would be
>"multipart monograph" for a kit ...

But it is in one box, as are boxed sets of DVDs and CDs. It's not like
a multivolume set of books.  People accuse us of thinking in terms of
the catalogue card.  Seems to me tend to think more in terms of printed
books.


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Re: [RDA-L] RDA and collective title

[Gene Fieg]

Is the usefulness of RDA going to require this kind of exegesis?  Whew!

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Brenndorfer, Thomas <
tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca> wrote:

> > -Original Message-
> > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod
> > Sent: August 4, 2011 8:14 PM
> > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> > Subject: [RDA-L] RDA and collective title
> >
> > RDA "2.1.2.2 --> Overview
> >
> > "Resource Issued as a Single Unit
> >
> > "When preparing a comprehensive description for a resource issued as a
> > single unit (e.g., a textbook in one volume), choose a source of
> > information identifying the resource as a whole*. If there is no
> > source of information identifying the resource as a whole (e.g., a
> > single videodisc containing multiple feature films but with no source
> > of information identifying the resource as a whole), treat the sources
> > of information identifying its individual contents as a collective
> > source of information for the resource as a whole"
> >
> > *It seems to me "such as container" should be added here as a source
> > of title representing the resource as a whole.  This is often true of
> > boxed sets of videorecordings (VHS and DVD), boxed sets of CDs, kits,
> > games, and boxed pieces to be assembled. all of which could be
> > mentioned as examples.
> >
>
> "Container" is defined in 2.2.2.1 as being "part of the resource itself"
> (if the container is issued with the resource, and "kit" is given as an
> example in this instruction).
>
> Therefore, "container" is already defined as a possible "source of
> information identifying the resource as a whole", whether the resource is a
> single unit (2.1.2.2) or a multipart resource (2.1.2.3). Kits come up as an
> example again in 2.1.2.3, since kits would tend to be characterized as
> multipart resources not single unit resources.
>
> I would think the "Mode of issuance" element in 2.13.1.3 would be
> "multipart monograph" for a kit, and so 2.1.2.3 applies when choosing a
> source of information for the title for a kit, and that would mean the
> container is already included as an option for a source, based on 2.2.2.1.
>
> Thomas Brenndorfer
> Guelph Public Library
>



-- 
Gene Fieg
Cataloger/Serials Librarian
Claremont School of Theology
gf...@cst.edu

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and collective title

[Brenndorfer, Thomas]

> -Original Message-
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod
> Sent: August 4, 2011 8:14 PM
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> Subject: [RDA-L] RDA and collective title
>
> RDA "2.1.2.2 --> Overview
>
> "Resource Issued as a Single Unit
>
> "When preparing a comprehensive description for a resource issued as a
> single unit (e.g., a textbook in one volume), choose a source of
> information identifying the resource as a whole*. If there is no
> source of information identifying the resource as a whole (e.g., a
> single videodisc containing multiple feature films but with no source
> of information identifying the resource as a whole), treat the sources
> of information identifying its individual contents as a collective
> source of information for the resource as a whole"
>
> *It seems to me "such as container" should be added here as a source
> of title representing the resource as a whole.  This is often true of
> boxed sets of videorecordings (VHS and DVD), boxed sets of CDs, kits,
> games, and boxed pieces to be assembled. all of which could be
> mentioned as examples.
>

"Container" is defined in 2.2.2.1 as being "part of the resource itself" (if 
the container is issued with the resource, and "kit" is given as an example in 
this instruction).

Therefore, "container" is already defined as a possible "source of information 
identifying the resource as a whole", whether the resource is a single unit 
(2.1.2.2) or a multipart resource (2.1.2.3). Kits come up as an example again 
in 2.1.2.3, since kits would tend to be characterized as multipart resources 
not single unit resources.

I would think the "Mode of issuance" element in 2.13.1.3 would be "multipart 
monograph" for a kit, and so 2.1.2.3 applies when choosing a source of 
information for the title for a kit, and that would mean the container is 
already included as an option for a source, based on 2.2.2.1.

Thomas Brenndorfer
Guelph Public Library

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and collective title

[Mark Ehlert]

J. McRee Elrod  wrote:
> *It seems to me "such as container" should be added here as a source
> of title representing the resource as a whole.  This is often true of
> boxed sets of videorecordings (VHS and DVD), boxed sets of CDs, kits,
> games, and boxed pieces to be assembled. all of which could be
> mentioned as examples.

Look under 2.2.2.

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