Re: [RE-wrenches] partial data loss Mate 3s

[Tuss, Lones via RE-wrenches]

Hello Mac
Thanks for taking my phone call and providing the optics site name.
In looking at the site there does seem to be strange things occurring.
I am noticing missing fields on the optics site the Multiphase heading for the 
Mate3S on the Device Map is missing. Also, as I see the AGS information does 
seem to vary. I have not seen this behavior before. I would ask that you have 
the customer depower the Mate then repower it back up. Please let me know when 
the customer does this. If it keeps happening, I can only assume it was somehow 
damaged by the lightening. I am curious if the AGS setting as displayed on the 
Mate3S itself are changing. If they are not perhaps the Optics processor on the 
Mate3S is suspect.
   But I will continue to monitor. I will say once programmed I have never seen 
the AGS setting change in this manner. Interesting.
I hope this helps.
Thank you for using Optics it sure does help when situations arise.
Take Care Sir

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Hello Wrenches,

I am trying to figure out a tricky problem.  I have a customer with a Mate 3s, 
most current firmware 1.4.7 paired with a radian and a couple of FM60s and some 
Lithium batteries.  We have experienced partial data loss, particularly of the 
Mate 3s generator start parameters.  These parameters seem to go back to 
defaults and it defaults to an AGS disabled state.

  At first I thought it was due to electrical storms, because we've had quite a 
bit of lightning lately, but now I'm not sure.  The Cat6 run is about 80' or 
something like that, so it could be some induction.

Anyone seen anything like this?  Same parameters were lost from first data loss 
to following data loss.  Kind of strange.  I haven't visited the site so I may 
not b getting the full picture.

Thanks

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with a 48V Lithium battery

[Tuss, Lones via RE-wrenches]

Hi Dave
No direct communication as of yet.
Sorry

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Lones,

I did not see any batteries that were closed loop between outback and the 
battery BMS on your link.  Did I missed something?



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On 2022-10-18 2:09 pm, Tuss, Lones via RE-wrenches wrote:

Hi Wayne

Below is a link to the OBack website.

There are several white papers at the link below.

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Thank you for using OutBack/.

Take Care







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Hello All,



Has anyone successfully coupled Outback with a 48V Lithium battery?

We have only ever used Rolls FLA's.



While we've "successfully" installed Enphase (tedious), we prefer Outback's 
VFXR series for a variety of reasons including commissioning and redundancy.



Any experience/input on the Outback with Lithium subject would be greatly 
appreciated.





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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback with a 48V Lithium battery

[Tuss, Lones via RE-wrenches]

Hi Wayne
Below is a link to the OBack website.
There are several white papers at the link below.
https://www.outbackpower.com/resources/documents/app-notes
Thank you for using OutBack/.
Take Care



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Hello All,

Has anyone successfully coupled Outback with a 48V Lithium battery?
We have only ever used Rolls FLA's.

While we've "successfully" installed Enphase (tedious), we prefer Outback's 
VFXR series for a variety of reasons including commissioning and redundancy.

Any experience/input on the Outback with Lithium subject would be greatly 
appreciated.


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Radian Generator Relay

[Tuss, Lones]

Hi Michael
This is where a direct conversation is good I tried to call but could not 
connect.
I thought you were using the AGS program on the Mate3S.
If you are in the set up in the AGS you can point it at the
Radian relay
Or the
Radian 12 volt aux
   If you want you can also point it to the port containing the FNDC
Of course you will have to wire it to the proper source

When your customer want to start the gen
Press the Gen button on the Mate3S
select ON
The FNDC rely will close and the gen should start
Select Off
The relay will open
Gen should stop
Select Auto
And the preset run conditions in the AGS will be valid.
I hope this helps.
Take Care



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I did not check whether or not the 12v relay was functional.
I think I see where you are going. If the 12V relay isn’t working also, then 
the issue is elsewhere? Is that correct?

I did look into using the FNDC relay, however it appears that it’s control is 
through the FNDC menu. Things are so simple when all my client has to do to 
control the generator is push the GEN button and choose a mode. Searching for 
the FNDC menu adds a layer of complexity.
However,
What I’m seeing is that the board that the relay is on is part of a stack 
boards that costs 2K. So, it sounds like my options are to check to see if the 
12v relay functions and then use that to drive a relay, or use the FNDC relay, 
or spend 2k for the board stack.

Michael


On Sep 14, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Jay 
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There are two relays on that board, one dry one 12v.

Aux output
And
Aux relay

Do both not work?

Jay


On Sep 14, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Michael Morningstar 
mailto:mjmornings...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Wrenches,

I’ve got a Radian 8048/Mate 3S that no longer is activating the relay 
responsible for generator starting. I’ve power cycled everything and updated 
firmware. When I attempt to start the generator via the Mate 3S, the relay does 
not close.

Any suggestions before I look into replacing the relay/board?

Which board do I order and what is the best source?

Many thanks,
Michael




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Re: [RE-wrenches] Radian Generator Relay

[Tuss, Lones]

Hi Michael
Nicks suggestion on the FNDC is smart.
For parts on a 8048 try Zonna Energy.
https://www.zonnaenergy.com/



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Wrenches,

I’ve got a Radian 8048/Mate 3S that no longer is activating the relay 
responsible for generator starting. I’ve power cycled everything and updated 
firmware. When I attempt to start the generator via the Mate 3S, the relay does 
not close.

Any suggestions before I look into replacing the relay/board?

Which board do I order and what is the best source?

Many thanks,
Michael




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Re: [RE-wrenches] Radian Generator Relay

[Tuss, Lones]

Hi Michael
It sound like you are using the 12 volt aux out on the radian to activate a 
separate relay.
If so disconnect the relay then check and see if the 12 aux attempts to go high 
(12v dc).
If it does it may be a relay issue.
The Radian does have an on board relay you could use that instead of a discrete 
relay.
In AGS on the Mate3(s) just select Relay.
I hope this helps sir.
Take Care



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Wrenches,

I’ve got a Radian 8048/Mate 3S that no longer is activating the relay 
responsible for generator starting. I’ve power cycled everything and updated 
firmware. When I attempt to start the generator via the Mate 3S, the relay does 
not close.

Any suggestions before I look into replacing the relay/board?

Which board do I order and what is the best source?

Many thanks,
Michael




Michael Morningstar


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Re: [RE-wrenches] FLEXmax 100

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Hello Sir
The FM100AFCI will need to paired up with a Mate3S.
The FM100 has on board ground Fault Detection so the GFDI used with the FM60/80 
is not required Please see page 13 in the manual below.
https://outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/charge_controllers/flexmax_100_afci/fm100_afci_manual.pdf
There are 300 vdc rated breakers available due to the higher dc voltages 
possible on the array.
The breaker part numbers are listed on page 15 in the above manual.
I hope this helps.
Take Care and Stay Safe



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Hi.

We have a 24V bi-modal outback system that run the residential wiring labs for 
the electrical program I teach. Long story short, the FM60 we are currently 
using had an operator error and we need to get a new charge controller. Can the 
FM100 Work “seamlessly” with an older outback systems? Wire sizes and array 
sizes all work out according to the data sheets and documents I’ve read. Is 
there any unforeseen issues with the MATE3 or optics RE that would come up if 
we upgrade to the 100? The Higher array VOC for the 100 will make the labs 
easier to set up, that’s why I’d like to get the 100.

Thanks,

Jesse

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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

[Tuss, Lones]

HI Ron
Below is a link to a video on how to change a fan in an OutBack Inverter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tlsk0sa1bY
I believe there are several videos for doing this.
I hope this helps.
Take Care

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Subject: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has had a 
fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought I might get a head start 
here. Is this a field replaceable item? I know the boards are but not sure 
about the fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.

Ron

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Load imbalance issues with SolArk?

[Tuss, Lones]

Hi Jay
Hi Larry
The X240 is a 4000 watt transformer it is also available in the PSX-240
Both can be used as a step up, a step down or a balancing xfmr.

Below is a link to the manuals.
https://www.outbackpower.com/resources/documents/product-documentation/item/autotransformer-technical-documentation
 Balancing transformer is not required by the Radian or the FXR inverters.
I was used in the older FX series usually as a step up/balancing Xfmr.
In step up operation it allows a single inverter to be on and will provide a 
second ac voltage of the opposite phase. If 2 inverters L1 and L2 were present  
it would load balance which allowed the least used phase to contribute to the 
most used phase.

   It can still be used as step up with a single FXR inverter meaning a single 
unit and the X240 will provide two phases L1 and  L2 with 180 degrees of phase 
separation.  It will not work as a load balancing xfmr using the FXR inverter. 
With the FXR we lost the load balancing ability. What we gained was the ability 
to sell back in a multi inverter stacked system, the 7 modes available from the 
Radian and Selling with in a 3 phase 120/208 system up to a 9 inverters.
I hope this helps.
Take Care All





From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of Jay
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 4:45 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Load imbalance issues with SolArk?

Hi Larry

I’m not so sure about that. The X-240 doesn’t work with the Radian or FXR 
versions. IE it won’t balance the loads so that the inverter sees a balance on 
L1/L2.

It did do this for the older FX versions.

Jay




On Feb 3, 2021, at 2:10 PM, 
la...@starlightsolar.com wrote:
Amos,

When using it in balancing mode, as seen in the attached image, the PSX will 
provide 120Vac from either leg and the inverter output should stay balanced. A 
240Vac circuit from the main panel goes to the PSX then to a sub panel and any 
240Vac loads stay on the main panel.


Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems




On Feb 3, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Amos Post 
mailto:integrityenergy...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We have had this issue with a recent installation.  It’s a new off-grid house 
build, and so not many loads to speak of yet, except mainly power tools.  The 
Solark 12K will not start any of: portable air compressor, table saw, and 
sometimes struggles with a miter saw, which are each 16amps or less at 120V, 
but I have measured close to 50amps start up for the air compressor and table 
saw.  The air compressor and table saw are 1.5HP each.  What helps is if the 
motors are warmed up, or putting another load on the other leg to balance the 
inverter’s output.

Was thinking we would install a couple of dedicated 120V outlets for 
“high-current” 120V loads with a PSX-240, stepping down the inverter's 240 to 
120.  My understanding is this will solve the issue for starting these loads, 
but not sure if we might run into issues with inbalance down the road...  Would 
be curious to know if there’s another way to balance all of the house loads 
using the PSX-240?..


   Amos Post
   Integrity Energy
  W 802.763.7023
   C 802.291.2188

ienergyVT.com

Facebook


On Feb 3, 2021, at 2:41 PM, 
la...@starlightsolar.com wrote:

If it turns out to be true, could you simply add the Outback PSX-240 to balance 
the loads?

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems



On Feb 3, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Nick A Lucchese 
mailto:luccheseso...@me.com>> wrote:

Good morning Wrenches,

I’ve strongly been considering using the SolArk 12K unit for awhile but have 
heard from a few folks that there can be somewhat frequent issues with the 
inverter shutting down from line to line imbalance. As little as 1400 watts? I 
could see where these instances would be minimized with attention to detail on 
balancing all the loads but if’s as little as a delta of 1400 watts that might 
occur with something as innocent as a toaster oven. Seems like it would also be 
less of an issue in a grid back up or AC coupled scenario but for off grid I’d 
be bummed to be getting calls every couple weeks from an off grid client that 
trusted me to offer the right equipment.

How much of an issue is this? Is it getting exaggerated? Those that have NOT 
had this happening was it on a full time off grid site?

Has it happened less on sites using the "Limited to Home” mode? I have an 
upcoming project that was going to be setup with a couple Radians in HBX mode 
and my thought was perhaps it might be an ideal solution there but if the 
continuity of electrical service was going to be 

Re: [RE-wrenches] grid sell back time settings on Outback systems

[Tuss, Lones]

Hello Kirpal
Hello Wrenches
This can be accomplished using the Mate3(s) and Flextime.
Flextime allows up to 3 modes in a 24 hour day.
Flextime uses a 24 hour clock to instruct a system to switch modes based on 
time.
A good knowledge of the modes and how they work is helpful.
Results may vary depending on solar vs loads.
Below is a picture of a system set up to achieve your request.
Adjust the times to suit your individual needs.
The setting below are as follows
1800 to 1830 Grid Tied and sell enabled
1830 to 0700 Grid Zero (no sell and no  charge from the grid)
0700 to 1800 Back Up (allowing the unit to pass through and charge)
 Again a good knowledge of how the modes function and the charging triggers 
(Re-Bulk and Re-Float) is helpful.
One of the advantages is this can be done via optics so fine tuning can be 
accomplished by
monitoring the system over time as it goes through the various sequences.


[cid:image002.jpg@01D6FADB.A76193A0]
I hope this helps.
Take Care All



From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of 
Kirpal
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 8:22 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] grid sell back time settings on Outback systems

Hi Folks
We have a scenario where we would like to control when our system sells power 
back to the grid.  Basically, we only want to sell back while the sun is 
shining. We would like to stop selling based on programmed clock settings.  I 
know in HBX mode we can control when we buy from the grid, wondering if anyone 
knows how to control if and when we sell to the grid, separate from voltage set 
points.  In this situation we basically don't want to sell hydro power back at 
night.
We can create our own relay controls to prevent if we need to, but hoping 
someone has a Mate controller based programming solution.  I can't seem to find 
it and at first glance Outback tech support didn't have an answer...It was a 
new tech support guy I spoke with and he was going to do some research and get 
back to me.
100 Thanks!

Sunny Regards,
Kirpal Khalsa
Oregon LRT#25
Oregon Solarworks LLC
www.oregonsolarworks.com
541-299-0402


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Radian Charges 1 hour per calendar day

[Tuss, Lones]

Hello Drake
Have the customer initiate a new bulk cycle from the Mate3.
Do this by
Pressing the Charger button on the Mate3
Select Bulk Charge then Start Bulk.
This will initiate a full Bulk/Absorb Cycle as programmed in the inverter.
If the Absorb time is set to 2 hours that is what will happen.

By way of explanation the time on the absorb cycle is incremented up from zero 
when the dc battery voltage is at or below the re-bulk voltage as programmed in 
the inverter.
 So if the batteries were at or below re-bulk for 1 hour that is all the time 
that was incremented back onto the absorb timer.




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Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:34 AM
To: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Radian Charges 1 hour per calendar day

Hello Wrenches,

An off grid, Radian / Mate 3 system we set up some years back has worked 
flawlessly. The client is now reporting that his system will only go into 
absorption charge for 1 hour per calendar day. The setting was previously to 
absorb for 2 hours.

He has tried shutting off the generator and then restarting. The inverter will 
connect, but not go into absorb.

During this cloudy period, he is only able to get the batteries to about
80 percent before he needs to leave the site for a week or so.

I finally go through to Outback, and they think it is a Firmware problem. As it 
is a long drive out, it seems worth while to run it by the list. Does FW this 
seem like the issue?

Thank you,

Drake

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback AC Backfeed Error

[Tuss, Lones]

Hi Jon
Not much to go on here the suggestion to look for damaged relays is probably a 
good idea.
Look to see if there is signs of arcing or the relay covers have a smokey 
appearance.
You stated the system has worked for the last week and the AGS has gone through 
several start stop sequences and the system error has not repeated.
It might be interesting to see if there were any warning in the event log 
perhaps that would give more clues.
It is difficult to be certain when the system is currently functioning.
Sorry that is all I have.
Take Care Sir


From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of Jon 
Siegenthaler
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 6:01 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Outback AC Backfeed Error

Hey wrenches,

I have a client who has a couple of the Radian 8048's and has an error code of 
"AC Backfeed Error GS-1". Looking at the manual it states that "Usually 
indicates another AC power source (out of phase with the inverter) was 
connected to the unit’s AC output. Can also occur if an out-of-phase AC source 
is connected to the inverter’s AC input."

However when this happened the generator wasn't running and it's an off grid 
system. Is there a way that the master is looking to the slave as another power 
source? The system had been running fine this week, auto running the generator 
early morning and shutting down on its own.

Anyone seen something like this before? Thanks,

Jon Siegenthaler


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Trimetric with Outbackand the or

[Tuss, Lones]

Hi Bill
Well the FNDC can monitor up to 3 shunts. Individual shunt can be viewed grand 
total can be viewed on the Mate3(S).
During our phone conversation you mentioned the Mate3(S) was down stairs with 
the rest of the gear.
2 thoughts.

1
Run an extra cat5 cable upstairs  so the mate can be moved upstairs for viewing 
leaving a shorter cable downstairs to be plugged in if you are working in front 
of the equipment.

2
If you do want to use the trimetric the shunt would need to be located 
somewhere in the final dc run to the batteries. I would suggest directly at the 
battery connection point.
I hope this helps take care sir.


From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of 
frenergy
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 9:06 PM
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Subject: [RE-wrenches] Trimetric with Outback


Wrenchers,

I tried asking OB about this, no response.  New FlexPwer2 installed 
in customer's basement, I like to keep the Mate with the system because the 
basement is my access point for future programming, troubleshooting, etc 
(rather than entering the house which many times is unoccupied)...no internet 
or cell service onsite.

To have some system status info in the house for the customer I 
would like to install a Trimetric 2030 upstairs.  This looks a bit tricky with 
three shunts in the DC enclosure to monitor various in/outputs for the FNDC to 
function and display info properly for the Mate.  Where-o-where might the sense 
wire be connected to properly measure NET amps flowing hither and fro to supply 
the correct info for the Trimetric?  The picture should help, the two cables 
coming off the bottom (right side) of shunt "B" are inverter negs.

Bill

Feather River Solar Electric

Bill Battagin, Owner

4291 Nelson St.

Taylorsville, CA 95983

530.284.7849

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Mixing Outback 100 series C with old FX system

[Tuss, Lones]

Hello All
Hi William
I just tried my Mate3S in to my FM100AFCI and it does see the FM100 and all the 
screen are available.
Here is a screen shot from the Quick Start Guide
http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/charge_controllers/flexmax_100_afci/fm100_afci_qsg.pdf
There are 2 ports on the FM both will accept a cat5 comm cable use the left 
port.


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From: William Miller 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:29 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Cc: Tuss, Lones 
Subject: Mixing Outback 100 series C with old FX system

Friends:

I installed a Flexmax 100 today in a dual FX system circa 2003.  The system has 
an oval Mate and it is no surprise the old Mate does not communicate with the 
FM100 as this was made clear from the literature.

I plugged in a new Mate3S directly into the FM100 hoping to connect and see 
data, but alas, the display was almost entirely blank.  It only showed the 
battery voltage which was 500 volts, which I guess is a promotion.

I then tried plugging the FM100 into a Hub 10.3 and then into the Mate3S.  
Still no display.

I’d like to field-check the FM100 with a Mate3 or 3S but don’t know how.  It 
used to be you could plug an MX60 into a Mate and get some semblance of 
normality displayed.  Can I swap out the old hub with a 10.3 with the inverters 
connected and get FM100 data?  Any ideas out there?

Thanks in advanced.

William

PS:  The FM100 is charging so that is not an issue.

Wm

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S

[Tuss, Lones]

Hello Tump
You may want to go into the aux setpoints on the inverter being used to signal 
a gen run condition and check to see
how it is programmed. It could be that the aux is being instructed to turn on
by the aux setpoints as set in the inverter.
If AGS tells it to turn on great but if inside the inverters aux programming 
some parameters are being met that tell the 12 volt aux to active then 
seemingly random gen runs can occur.
Depending on age and the firmware of the inverter there are 9 or more 
programmable conditions that can trigger the 12 volt aux. At one point there 
was a setpoint called Remote which told the inverter some other device other 
than  you is in control of your auxiliary output.
  If you do not see a Remote setting you might try setting the inverters aux to 
Vent Fan then set the trigger point (Battery Voltage) to a condition that is 
impossible to achieve. I have a 48 volt system and I can set the Vent Fan 
trigger point up to 72VDC this will ensure the AGS is the only way the 12 volt 
Aux can be activated.
I left a message on your phone if you continue to have issues please call me.
Take Care Sir


From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of Tump
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2020 7:24 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Mate3 verses Mate3S

I have a client w/ 8 stack of older VFX3648s, Off Grid. Presently connected to 
a Mate 3 & older hub 10.  The generator run time/shut down time is never the 
same, sometimes 10+ hours of running while the inverters in “silent” mode.  Gen 
stays running despite full batteries, confirmed by battery voltage & using my 
refractometer.
The only "gen trigger" is battery voltage. I have cleared the history 
repeatedly & updated the Mate3 FW.
 Is there any conflict replacing the Mate 3 with the Mate 3S in an older system?
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback shipping issues

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Hello All
 Network housekeeping impacted the forum.  Our move to Phoenix is almost 
entirely complete and did not impact Order Entry/Acceptance/Lead Times.  Our 
Applications Engineering, Technical Support, and Development Engineering teams 
remain in Washington state.   We're not aware of any suppliers who haven't 
gotten shipping costs and delivery dates.

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From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of Jay
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 7:31 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Outback shipping issues

Hi all

A supplier of mine that buys directly from OB has not been able to get shipping 
costs or delivery dates for almost 2 weeks now.

Does anyone know anything about this?

Thanks

Jay
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