[RE-wrenches] Does SMA have a SGIP-compliant (i.e. Smart Storage) Product?

[Peter Parrish]

When I was a C-46 contractor in California from 2000 to 2012, I used to do 
about 1/3 of my business as grid-tied battery backup and off-grid. I came to 
focus on the Outback solutions in general, and later the Radian 8048 and 240 
A-hr AGM batteries. 

That was obviously a while ago. I became an educator and a consultant helping 
California K-12 school districts become more energy efficient and energy 
conserving. 

Nonetheless, I had a left-over client that was working through a full-house 
“gut and rebuild”. I recommended the most efficient lighting, A/C, fridges. I 
helped him create dedicated branch circuits should he want to back-up critical 
loads. I designed a SMA/LG 12.4 kW roof mount system together with a 400 A 
240/120 V split phase service panel. We were ready for battery back up and also 
told him that there was a new program – California SGIP. One-half of his 
service panel remains untouched.

So with the SGIP Program, I put in a reservation to Southern California Edison 
for a 8 kW / 16 kWh (Sonnen ECO-16 -- based)  “smart storage” system. The guys 
at Sonnen made a number of faux pas, so we went looking elsewhere.

I really like the SMA SB inverters. The three MPP inputs, the secure power 
supply. So I thought since SMA claimed to have a “Sunny Boy Storage” system 
that was SGIP-compliant, and had taken this new product on a eight-city road 
show, we were “in like Flynn”.

Fast forward: I have spoken to my sales rep at Wesco, and FIVE – count them 
FIVE -- people at SMA Sales and presales Tech Support , and not one person 
claimes to have knowledge of the Sunny Boy Storage system. Have I gone blind, 
dum and crazy?

I understand that StorEdge product has traction and I am ready to jump ship. 
What am I missing?

Peter Parrish

Peter T. Parrish
Calofornia Solar Engineering
1107 Fair Oaks Ave. Ste. 351
South Pasadena, CA 91030
(323) 839-6108
peter.parr...@calsolareng.com

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[RE-wrenches] Does SMA have a SGIP-compliant (i.e. Smart Storage) Product?

[Marco Mangelsdorf]

Welcome back, Peter, to the Brave New World of grid-tie plus storage plus
SGIP plus bulk services plus plus plus.

>From my perspective, Tesla and LGC/SolarEdge are the furthest along in this
new journey beyond the dinosaur designs and strategies of the 1980s to the
early 2000s.  At least if you look at the installation data from the two
cutting/bleeding edge states of Hawaii and California.

SMA is somewhat late to this particular dance. That said, I find your
comments below kinda shocking.

Blair Reynoldsare you out there?  I've found him to be one of the most
knowledgeable SMA guys on the Sunny Storage front. If he doesn't respond,
let me know and I'll get you two together.

Aloha,
marco

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019, Peter Parrish 
wrote:

> When I was a C-46 contractor in California from 2000 to 2012, I used to do
> about 1/3 of my business as grid-tied battery backup and off-grid. I came
> to focus on the Outback solutions in general, and later the Radian 8048 and
> 240 A-hr AGM batteries.
>
>
>
> That was obviously a while ago. I became an educator and a consultant
> helping California K-12 school districts become more energy efficient and
> energy conserving.
>
>
>
> Nonetheless, I had a left-over client that was working through a
> full-house “gut and rebuild”. I recommended the most efficient lighting,
> A/C, fridges. I helped him create dedicated branch circuits should he want
> to back-up critical loads. I designed a SMA/LG 12.4 kW roof mount system
> together with a 400 A 240/120 V split phase service panel. We were ready
> for battery back up and also told him that there was a new program –
> California SGIP. One-half of his service panel remains untouched.
>
>
>
> So with the SGIP Program, I put in a reservation to Southern California
> Edison for a 8 kW / 16 kWh (Sonnen ECO-16 -- based)  “smart storage”
> system. The guys at Sonnen made a number of faux pas, so we went looking
> elsewhere.
>
>
>
> I really like the SMA SB inverters. The three MPP inputs, the secure power
> supply. So I thought since SMA claimed to have a “Sunny Boy Storage” system
> that was SGIP-compliant, and had taken this new product on a eight-city
> road show, we were “in like Flynn”.
>
>
>
> Fast forward: I have spoken to my sales rep at Wesco, and FIVE – count
> them FIVE -- people at SMA Sales and presales Tech Support , and not one
> person claimes to have knowledge of the Sunny Boy Storage system. Have I
> gone blind, dum and crazy?
>
>
>
> I understand that StorEdge product has traction and I am ready to jump
> ship. What am I missing?
>
>
>
> Peter Parrish
>
>
>
> Peter T. Parrish
> Calofornia Solar Engineering
> 1107 Fair Oaks Ave. Ste. 351
> 
> South Pasadena, CA 91030
> 
> (323) 839-6108
> peter.parr...@calsolareng.com
>
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Does SMA have a SGIP-compliant (i.e. Smart Storage) Product?

[Kienan Maxfield]

Peter,

Just a quick word of caution... If you are going to need backup power then just 
double check that the surge capabilities of these inverters will work for you. 
I know nothing about the Tesla, but I do know that most of the newer battery 
inverters like the SMA Sunny Boy Storage, the Solar Edge StorEdge, Outback's 
Skybox, and others, often have pathetic surge capabilities. If Arbitrage and/or 
very small backup is your game then it's not a big deal, but for my projects, 
this instantly counts them out. Fronius was going to bring in a battery 
inverter (I don't know if or when) but their product was going to have the same 
problem according to the techs at Fronius that I know.

Now if you're comparing these against the SB "Secure Power Supply" then yeah, 
they can handle a lot of loads, but once you pay out all that money for the 
batteries, then most of my customers are going to expect a more substantial 
backup capacity.

Thanks,
Kienan

Maxfield Solar
maxfieldso...@hotmail.com<mailto:maxfieldso...@hotmail.com>
(801) 631-5584 (Cell)

From: RE-wrenches  on behalf of 
Marco Mangelsdorf 
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 10:55 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Does SMA have a SGIP-compliant (i.e. Smart Storage) 
Product?

Welcome back, Peter, to the Brave New World of grid-tie plus storage plus SGIP 
plus bulk services plus plus plus.

>From my perspective, Tesla and LGC/SolarEdge are the furthest along in this 
>new journey beyond the dinosaur designs and strategies of the 1980s to the 
>early 2000s.  At least if you look at the installation data from the two 
>cutting/bleeding edge states of Hawaii and California.

SMA is somewhat late to this particular dance. That said, I find your comments 
below kinda shocking.

Blair Reynoldsare you out there?  I've found him to be one of the most 
knowledgeable SMA guys on the Sunny Storage front. If he doesn't respond, let 
me know and I'll get you two together.

Aloha,
marco

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019, Peter Parrish 
mailto:peter.parr...@calsolareng.com>> wrote:

When I was a C-46 contractor in California from 2000 to 2012, I used to do 
about 1/3 of my business as grid-tied battery backup and off-grid. I came to 
focus on the Outback solutions in general, and later the Radian 8048 and 240 
A-hr AGM batteries.



That was obviously a while ago. I became an educator and a consultant helping 
California K-12 school districts become more energy efficient and energy 
conserving.



Nonetheless, I had a left-over client that was working through a full-house 
“gut and rebuild”. I recommended the most efficient lighting, A/C, fridges. I 
helped him create dedicated branch circuits should he want to back-up critical 
loads. I designed a SMA/LG 12.4 kW roof mount system together with a 400 A 
240/120 V split phase service panel. We were ready for battery back up and also 
told him that there was a new program – California SGIP. One-half of his 
service panel remains untouched.



So with the SGIP Program, I put in a reservation to Southern California Edison 
for a 8 kW / 16 kWh (Sonnen ECO-16 -- based)  “smart storage” system. The guys 
at Sonnen made a number of faux pas, so we went looking elsewhere.



I really like the SMA SB inverters. The three MPP inputs, the secure power 
supply. So I thought since SMA claimed to have a “Sunny Boy Storage” system 
that was SGIP-compliant, and had taken this new product on a eight-city road 
show, we were “in like Flynn”.



Fast forward: I have spoken to my sales rep at Wesco, and FIVE – count them 
FIVE -- people at SMA Sales and presales Tech Support , and not one person 
claimes to have knowledge of the Sunny Boy Storage system. Have I gone blind, 
dum and crazy?



I understand that StorEdge product has traction and I am ready to jump ship. 
What am I missing?



Peter Parrish



Peter T. Parrish
Calofornia Solar Engineering
1107 Fair Oaks Ave. Ste. 
351<https://maps.google.com/?q=1107+Fair+Oaks+Ave.+Ste.+351+South+Pasadena,+CA+91030&entry=gmail&source=g>
South Pasadena, CA 
91030<https://maps.google.com/?q=1107+Fair+Oaks+Ave.+Ste.+351+South+Pasadena,+CA+91030&entry=gmail&source=g>
(323) 839-6108
peter.parr...@calsolareng.com<mailto:peter.parr...@calsolareng.com>


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Does SMA have a SGIP-compliant (i.e. Smart Storage) Product?

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

Definitely agree with Kienan. The LG 48V project with Schneider failed
because LG could not handle the surge of an XW6848. LG Chem indicated to me
that the second half of 2019, they may announce something. I am working on
a project that is running 17 Discover AES and 3 XW+. It has some issues but
surge is not one of them. 
Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where
powerlines don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [1]
e-mail
offgridso...@sti.net [2]
text 209 813 0060

On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:04:55
+, Kienan Maxfield  wrote:Peter,   Just a quick word of caution...
If you are going to need backup power then just double check that the surge
capabilities of these inverters will work for you. I know nothing about the
Tesla, but I do know that most of the newer battery inverters like the SMA
Sunny Boy Storage, the Solar Edge StorEdge, Outback's Skybox, and others,
often have pathetic surge capabilities. If Arbitrage and/or very small
backup is your game then it's not a big deal, but for my projects, this
instantly counts them out. Fronius was going to bring in a battery inverter
(I don't know if or when) but their product was going to have the same
problem according to the techs at Fronius that I know.   Now if you're
comparing these against the SB "Secure Power Supply" then yeah, they can
handle a lot of loads, but once you pay out all that money for the
batteries, then most of my customers are going to expect a more substantial
backup capacity.   Thanks, Kienan  
 MAXFIELD SOLAR
maxfieldso...@hotmail.com [3]  (801) 631-5584 (CELL)  

-
 FROM: RE-wrenches  on behalf of Marco
Mangelsdorf 
 SENT: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 10:55 PM
 TO: RE-wrenches

SUBJECT: [RE-wrenches] Does SMA have a SGIP-compliant (i.e. Smart Storage)
Product?Welcome back, Peter, to the Brave New World of grid-tie plus
storage plus SGIP plus bulk services plus plus plus.   From my perspective,
Tesla and LGC/SolarEdge are the furthest along in this new journey beyond
the dinosaur designs and strategies of the 1980s to the early 2000s. At
least if you look at the installation data from the two cutting/bleeding
edge states of Hawaii and California.SMA is somewhat late to this
particular dance. That said, I find your comments below kinda shocking.   
Blair Reynoldsare you out there? I've found him to be one of the most
knowledgeable SMA guys on the Sunny Storage front. If he doesn't respond,
let me know and I'll get you two together.Aloha, marco 

 On Wednesday,
April 3, 2019, Peter Parrish  wrote:

When I was a C-46 contractor in
California from 2000 to 2012, I used to do about 1/3 of my business as
grid-tied battery backup and off-grid. I came to focus on the Outback
solutions in general, and later the Radian 8048 and 240 A-hr AGM batteries.


That was obviously a while ago. I became an educator and a consultant
helping California K-12 school districts become more energy efficient and
energy conserving. 

Nonetheless, I had a left-over client that was working
through a full-house "gut and rebuild". I recommended the most efficient
lighting, A/C, fridges. I helped him create dedicated branch circuits
should he want to back-up critical loads. I designed a SMA/LG 12.4 kW roof
mount system together with a 400 A 240/120 V split phase service panel. We
were ready for battery back up and also told him that there was a new
program - California SGIP. One-half of his service panel remains untouched.


So with the SGIP Program, I put in a reservation to Southern California
Edison for a 8 kW / 16 kWh (Sonnen ECO-16 -- based) "smart storage" system.
The guys at Sonnen made a number of faux pas, so we went looking elsewhere.


I really like the SMA SB inverters. The three MPP inputs, the secure
power supply. So I thought since SMA claimed to have a "Sunny Boy Storage"
system that was SGIP-compliant, and had taken this new product on a
eight-city road show, we were "in like Flynn". 

Fast forward: I have
spoken to my sales rep at Wesco, and FIVE - count them FIVE -- people at
SMA Sales and presales Tech Support , and not one person claimes to have
knowledge of the Sunny Boy Storage system. Have I gone blind, dum and
crazy? 

I understand that StorEdge product has traction and I am ready to
jump ship. What am I missing? 

Peter Parrish 

Peter T. Parrish

Calofornia Solar Engineering
 1107 Fair Oaks Ave. Ste. 351 [5]
 South
Pasadena, CA 91030 [6]
 (323) 839-6108
 peter.parr...@calsolareng.com [7]


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Does SMA have a SGIP-compliant (i.e. Smart Storage) Product?

[Howie Michaelson]

Dave,
I'd be interested to know what issues you are having with the Discover
batteries, since these are one of the LiFePO batteries we are considering
seriously.
Thanks,
Howie

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 3:44 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:

> Definitely agree with Kienan. The LG 48V project with Schneider failed
> because LG could not handle the surge of an XW6848. LG Chem indicated to me
> that the second half of 2019, they may announce something. I am working on
> a project that is running 17 Discover AES and 3 XW+. It has some issues but
> surge is not one of them.
>
> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> "we go where powerlines don't"
> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ <http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/>
> e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net 
> text 209 813 0060*
>
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:04:55 +, Kienan Maxfield <
> maxfieldso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> Just a quick word of caution... If you are going to need backup power then
> just double check that the surge capabilities of these inverters will work
> for you. I know nothing about the Tesla, but I do know that most of the
> newer battery inverters like the SMA Sunny Boy Storage, the Solar Edge
> StorEdge, Outback's Skybox, and others, often have pathetic surge
> capabilities. If Arbitrage and/or very small backup is your game then it's
> not a big deal, but for my projects, this instantly counts them out.
> Fronius was going to bring in a battery inverter (I don't know if or when)
> but their product was going to have the same problem according to the techs
> at Fronius that I know.
>
> Now if you're comparing these against the SB "Secure Power Supply" then
> yeah, they can handle a lot of loads, but once you pay out all that money
> for the batteries, then most of my customers are going to expect a more
> substantial backup capacity.
>
> Thanks,
> Kienan
>
> *Maxfield Solar*
> *maxfieldso...@hotmail.com* 
> *(801) 631-5584 (Cell)*
>
> --------------
> *From:* RE-wrenches  on behalf
> of Marco Mangelsdorf 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2019 10:55 PM
> *To:* RE-wrenches
> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Does SMA have a SGIP-compliant (i.e. Smart
> Storage) Product?
>
> Welcome back, Peter, to the Brave New World of grid-tie plus storage plus
> SGIP plus bulk services plus plus plus.
>
> From my perspective, Tesla and LGC/SolarEdge are the furthest along in
> this new journey beyond the dinosaur designs and strategies of the 1980s to
> the early 2000s.  At least if you look at the installation data from the
> two cutting/bleeding edge states of Hawaii and California.
>
> SMA is somewhat late to this particular dance. That said, I find your
> comments below kinda shocking.
>
> Blair Reynoldsare you out there?  I've found him to be one of the most
> knowledgeable SMA guys on the Sunny Storage front. If he doesn't respond,
> let me know and I'll get you two together.
>
> Aloha,
> marco
>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2019, Peter Parrish 
> wrote:
>
> When I was a C-46 contractor in California from 2000 to 2012, I used to do
> about 1/3 of my business as grid-tied battery backup and off-grid. I came
> to focus on the Outback solutions in general, and later the Radian 8048 and
> 240 A-hr AGM batteries.
>
>
>
> That was obviously a while ago. I became an educator and a consultant
> helping California K-12 school districts become more energy efficient and
> energy conserving.
>
>
>
> Nonetheless, I had a left-over client that was working through a
> full-house "gut and rebuild". I recommended the most efficient lighting,
> A/C, fridges. I helped him create dedicated branch circuits should he want
> to back-up critical loads. I designed a SMA/LG 12.4 kW roof mount system
> together with a 400 A 240/120 V split phase service panel. We were ready
> for battery back up and also told him that there was a new program –
> California SGIP. One-half of his service panel remains untouched.
>
>
>
> So with the SGIP Program, I put in a reservation to Southern California
> Edison for a 8 kW / 16 kWh (Sonnen ECO-16 -- based)  "smart storage"
> system. The guys at Sonnen made a number of faux pas, so we went looking
> elsewhere.
>
>
>
> I really like the SMA SB inverters. The three MPP inputs, the secure power
> supply. So I thought since SMA claimed to have a "Sunny Boy Storage" system
> that was SGIP-compliant, and had taken this new product on a eight-city
> road show, we were "in like Flynn".
>
>
>
> Fast forward: I have spoken to my sales rep at Wesco, and FIVE – count
> them FIVE

Re: [RE-wrenches] Does SMA have a SGIP-compliant (i.e. Smart Storage) Product?

[Harry Mahon]

Wrenches – you are all correct about ensuring the surge rating. And now the 
battery + BMS must also be checked.  A few comments from SMA’s side:

The SBS must have the Automatic Backup Unit (ABU) accessory installed to 
function off-grid beyond the Secure Power Supply capability.
This unit includes (installed and internally wired): 200A contactor for grid 
isolation, control board to tell the SBS to become a grid former, a 5kVA 
autoformer, 50A breakers for 1 x PV AND 1 x SBS AC outputs, and Wattnode energy 
meter with CTS on conductors from 200A contactor.
Data sheet on webpage, listing** 60s and 100ms surge capability: 
https://files.sma.de/dl/30859/SBSABU-DUS185117.pdf

** Using a SBS 6.0 with battery whose BMS will allow that surge.  <-- Here the 
BYD Battery Box HV 10 would likely be best, as noted by many the battery BMS 
must also allow the DC power to meet this surge rating!  Eagle-eyed viewers 
will note this is slightly lower than one SI 4548-US surge.

The Sunny Boy Storage was built to be a grid-tied battery inverter, the Sunny 
Island to be an off-grid battery inverter.  Both CAN work well as grid-tied 
battery backup inverters, it depends on the customer needs.

Standard legal disclaimer – SMA never approves life-sustaining equipment be 
powered solely by our inverters.

Best-
Mike


From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of Dave 
Angelini Offgrid Solar
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 12:20 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Does SMA have a SGIP-compliant (i.e. Smart Storage) 
Product?


Definitely agree with Kienan. The LG 48V project with Schneider failed because 
LG could not handle the surge of an XW6848. LG Chem indicated to me that the 
second half of 2019, they may announce something. I am working on a project 
that is running 17 Discover AES and 3 XW+. It has some issues but surge is not 
one of them.

Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar

"we go where powerlines don't"

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On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:04:55 +, Kienan Maxfield 
mailto:maxfieldso...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Peter,

Just a quick word of caution... If you are going to need backup power then just 
double check that the surge capabilities of these inverters will work for you. 
I know nothing about the Tesla, but I do know that most of the newer battery 
inverters like the SMA Sunny Boy Storage, the Solar Edge StorEdge, Outback's 
Skybox, and others, often have pathetic surge capabilities. If Arbitrage and/or 
very small backup is your game then it's not a big deal, but for my projects, 
this instantly counts them out. Fronius was going to bring in a battery 
inverter (I don't know if or when) but their product was going to have the same 
problem according to the techs at Fronius that I know.

Now if you're comparing these against the SB "Secure Power Supply" then yeah, 
they can handle a lot of loads, but once you pay out all that money for the 
batteries, then most of my customers are going to expect a more substantial 
backup capacity.

Thanks,
Kienan

Maxfield Solar
maxfieldso...@hotmail.com<mailto:maxfieldso...@hotmail.com>
(801) 631-5584 (Cell)


From: RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>>
 on behalf of Marco Mangelsdorf 
mailto:ma...@pvthawaii.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 10:55 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Does SMA have a SGIP-compliant (i.e. Smart Storage) 
Product?

Welcome back, Peter, to the Brave New World of grid-tie plus storage plus SGIP 
plus bulk services plus plus plus.

From my perspective, Tesla and LGC/SolarEdge are the furthest along in this new 
journey beyond the dinosaur designs and strategies of the 1980s to the early 
2000s.  At least if you look at the installation data from the two 
cutting/bleeding edge states of Hawaii and California.

SMA is somewhat late to this particular dance. That said, I find your comments 
below kinda shocking.

Blair Reynoldsare you out there?  I've found him to be one of the most 
knowledgeable SMA guys on the Sunny Storage front. If he doesn't respond, let 
me know and I'll get you two together.

Aloha,
marco

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019, Peter Parrish 
mailto:peter.parr...@calsolareng.com>> wrote:

When I was a C-46 contractor in California from 2000 to 2012, I used to do 
about 1/3 of my business as grid-tied battery backup and off-grid. I came to 
focus on the Outback solutions in general, and later the Radian 8048 and 240 
A-hr AGM batteries.



That was obvi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Does SMA have a SGIP-compliant (i.e. Smart Storage) Product?

[Darryl Thayer]

I had a similar experience with SMA on using the Sunny Island system.  I
tried several persons in tech support, none seemed to understand the Sunny
Island.  But I think I was working with the east coast office.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 11:16 PM Peter Parrish 
wrote:

> When I was a C-46 contractor in California from 2000 to 2012, I used to do
> about 1/3 of my business as grid-tied battery backup and off-grid. I came
> to focus on the Outback solutions in general, and later the Radian 8048 and
> 240 A-hr AGM batteries.
>
>
>
> That was obviously a while ago. I became an educator and a consultant
> helping California K-12 school districts become more energy efficient and
> energy conserving.
>
>
>
> Nonetheless, I had a left-over client that was working through a
> full-house “gut and rebuild”. I recommended the most efficient lighting,
> A/C, fridges. I helped him create dedicated branch circuits should he want
> to back-up critical loads. I designed a SMA/LG 12.4 kW roof mount system
> together with a 400 A 240/120 V split phase service panel. We were ready
> for battery back up and also told him that there was a new program –
> California SGIP. One-half of his service panel remains untouched.
>
>
>
> So with the SGIP Program, I put in a reservation to Southern California
> Edison for a 8 kW / 16 kWh (Sonnen ECO-16 -- based)  “smart storage”
> system. The guys at Sonnen made a number of faux pas, so we went looking
> elsewhere.
>
>
>
> I really like the SMA SB inverters. The three MPP inputs, the secure power
> supply. So I thought since SMA claimed to have a “Sunny Boy Storage” system
> that was SGIP-compliant, and had taken this new product on a eight-city
> road show, we were “in like Flynn”.
>
>
>
> Fast forward: I have spoken to my sales rep at Wesco, and FIVE – count
> them FIVE -- people at SMA Sales and presales Tech Support , and not one
> person claimes to have knowledge of the Sunny Boy Storage system. Have I
> gone blind, dum and crazy?
>
>
>
> I understand that StorEdge product has traction and I am ready to jump
> ship. What am I missing?
>
>
>
> Peter Parrish
>
>
>
> Peter T. Parrish
> Calofornia Solar Engineering
> 1107 Fair Oaks Ave. Ste. 351
> South Pasadena, CA 91030
> (323) 839-6108
> peter.parr...@calsolareng.com
>
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