[RE-wrenches] HUP cell removal

[frenergy]

I'm going to have to remove the cells from 4 HUP Solar1 battery cases to 
change-out the pack (no option, bad access).  Anyone ever had problems 
come-a-longing from above the first cell and if so, what's the 
solution?...and what are you doing tomorrow?


Thx,

Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
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Re: [RE-wrenches] HUP cell removal

[Allan Sindelar]

Bill, I just did that a month ago, and it went amazingly smoothly. Earlier, on 
a similar HUP replacement, I told the (absentee) client that I would rent an 
engine hoist to lift the cells out of the steel cases, and he advised me that 
it would cost him less labor and travel if I bought one of the Chinese engine 
hoists from Harbor Freight for $90 and just kept it. Turned out to be a good 
application for CCC (thanks, Bob-O). A concrete floor, the engine hoist, a 
simple hand truck and a strong assistant to share the load made light work of 
both removal and installation - all 4,000 pounds of it, one 200 lb. cell at a 
time... so I went dancing that evening. 
Allan

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:46 PM, frenergy  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to have to remove the cells from 4 HUP Solar1 battery cases to 
> change-out the pack (no option, bad access).  Anyone ever had problems 
> come-a-longing from above the first cell and if so, what's the 
> solution?...and what are you doing tomorrow?
> 
> Thx,
> 
> Bill
> 
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049
> www.frenergy.net
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Re: [RE-wrenches] HUP cell removal

[Michael Packard]

I did this exact same thing for a 48v Hup one battery bank.  Engine hoist
worked like a charm and my back was very thankful!




On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:09 AM Allan Sindelar 
wrote:

> Bill, I just did that a month ago, and it went amazingly smoothly.
> Earlier, on a similar HUP replacement, I told the (absentee) client that I
> would rent an engine hoist to lift the cells out of the steel cases, and he
> advised me that it would cost him less labor and travel if I bought one of
> the Chinese engine hoists from Harbor Freight for $90 and just kept it.
> Turned out to be a good application for CCC (thanks, Bob-O). A concrete
> floor, the engine hoist, a simple hand truck and a strong assistant to
> share the load made light work of both removal and installation - all 4,000
> pounds of it, one 200 lb. cell at a time... so I went dancing that evening.
> Allan
>
> > On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:46 PM, frenergy  wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to have to remove the cells from 4 HUP Solar1 battery cases to
> change-out the pack (no option, bad access).  Anyone ever had problems
> come-a-longing from above the first cell and if so, what's the
> solution?...and what are you doing tomorrow?
> >
> > Thx,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > Feather River Solar Electric
> > Bill Battagin, Owner
> > 4291 Nelson St.
> > Taylorsville, CA 95983
> > 530.284.7849
> > CA Lic 874049
> > www.frenergy.net
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Re: [RE-wrenches] HUP cell removal

[Foxfire Energy]

make sure to get the plastiboard padding in the proper alignment.. and polarity 
(orientation) correct when re installing..

db


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Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 8:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] HUP cell removal

I did this exact same thing for a 48v Hup one battery bank.  Engine hoist 
worked like a charm and my back was very thankful!




On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:09 AM Allan Sindelar 
mailto:al...@sindelarsolar.com>> wrote:
Bill, I just did that a month ago, and it went amazingly smoothly. Earlier, on 
a similar HUP replacement, I told the (absentee) client that I would rent an 
engine hoist to lift the cells out of the steel cases, and he advised me that 
it would cost him less labor and travel if I bought one of the Chinese engine 
hoists from Harbor Freight for $90 and just kept it. Turned out to be a good 
application for CCC (thanks, Bob-O). A concrete floor, the engine hoist, a 
simple hand truck and a strong assistant to share the load made light work of 
both removal and installation - all 4,000 pounds of it, one 200 lb. cell at a 
time... so I went dancing that evening.
Allan

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:46 PM, frenergy 
> mailto:frene...@psln.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm going to have to remove the cells from 4 HUP Solar1 battery cases to 
> change-out the pack (no option, bad access).  Anyone ever had problems 
> come-a-longing from above the first cell and if so, what's the 
> solution?...and what are you doing tomorrow?
>
> Thx,
>
> Bill
>
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049
> www.frenergy.net<http://www.frenergy.net>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] HUP cell removal

[Ray]

We've used an engine hoist before, but for tight spaces, we built a rig 
out of unistrut with a small block and tackle.  Come along can be hard 
to use, and puts dangerous metal parts over the battery.


HUP batteries are easier to install

I've since gone to a winch system, and also try to move the batteries on 
rollers without taking the cells out.


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 11/5/19 6:36 AM, Michael Packard wrote:
I did this exact same thing for a 48v Hup one battery bank.  Engine 
hoist worked like a charm and my back was very thankful!





On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:09 AM Allan Sindelar 
mailto:al...@sindelarsolar.com>> wrote:


Bill, I just did that a month ago, and it went amazingly smoothly.
Earlier, on a similar HUP replacement, I told the (absentee)
client that I would rent an engine hoist to lift the cells out of
the steel cases, and he advised me that it would cost him less
labor and travel if I bought one of the Chinese engine hoists from
Harbor Freight for $90 and just kept it. Turned out to be a good
application for CCC (thanks, Bob-O). A concrete floor, the engine
hoist, a simple hand truck and a strong assistant to share the
load made light work of both removal and installation - all 4,000
pounds of it, one 200 lb. cell at a time... so I went dancing that
evening.
Allan

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:46 PM, frenergy mailto:frene...@psln.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm going to have to remove the cells from 4 HUP Solar1 battery
cases to change-out the pack (no option, bad access).  Anyone ever
had problems come-a-longing from above the first cell and if so,
what's the solution?...and what are you doing tomorrow?
>
> Thx,
>
> Bill
>
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049
> www.frenergy.net 
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] HUP cell removal

[Tump]

My question is WHY do folks still install these steel cased Pain the A*& BBs 
when we have 2 volt cells (UnigiII/Surrette/Crown)that have up to 2400AH @20hr 
rate and are easily moved by hand, fork truck, shovel! 2 volt cells is always 
the way to go.
> On Nov 5, 2019, at 11:47 PM, Ray  wrote:
> 
> We've used an engine hoist before, but for tight spaces, we built a rig out 
> of unistrut with a small block and tackle.  Come along can be hard to use, 
> and puts dangerous metal parts over the battery.
> 
> 
> 
> I've since gone to a winch system, and also try to move the batteries on 
> rollers without taking the cells out.
> Ray Walters
> Remote Solar
> 303 505-8760
> On 11/5/19 6:36 AM, Michael Packard wrote:
>> I did this exact same thing for a 48v Hup one battery bank.  Engine hoist 
>> worked like a charm and my back was very thankful! 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:09 AM Allan Sindelar > > wrote:
>> Bill, I just did that a month ago, and it went amazingly smoothly. Earlier, 
>> on a similar HUP replacement, I told the (absentee) client that I would rent 
>> an engine hoist to lift the cells out of the steel cases, and he advised me 
>> that it would cost him less labor and travel if I bought one of the Chinese 
>> engine hoists from Harbor Freight for $90 and just kept it. Turned out to be 
>> a good application for CCC (thanks, Bob-O). A concrete floor, the engine 
>> hoist, a simple hand truck and a strong assistant to share the load made 
>> light work of both removal and installation - all 4,000 pounds of it, one 
>> 200 lb. cell at a time... so I went dancing that evening. 
>> Allan
>> 
>> > On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:46 PM, frenergy > > > wrote:
>> > 
>> > I'm going to have to remove the cells from 4 HUP Solar1 battery cases to 
>> > change-out the pack (no option, bad access).  Anyone ever had problems 
>> > come-a-longing from above the first cell and if so, what's the 
>> > solution?...and what are you doing tomorrow?
>> > 
>> > Thx,
>> > 
>> > Bill
>> > 
>> > Feather River Solar Electric
>> > Bill Battagin, Owner
>> > 4291 Nelson St.
>> > Taylorsville, CA 95983
>> > 530.284.7849
>> > CA Lic 874049
>> > www.frenergy.net 
>> > 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] HUP cell removal

[frenergy]

I'm with you, the replacement battery for these HUPs are Surrettes.

On 11/7/2019 4:26 AM, Tump wrote:
My question is WHY do folks still install these steel cased Pain the 
A*& BBs when we have 2 volt cells (UnigiII/Surrette/Crown)that have up 
to 2400AH @20hr rate and are easily moved by hand, fork truck, shovel! 
2 volt cells is always the way to go.
On Nov 5, 2019, at 11:47 PM, Ray > wrote:


We've used an engine hoist before, but for tight spaces, we built a 
rig out of unistrut with a small block and tackle.  Come along can be 
hard to use, and puts dangerous metal parts over the battery.


HUP batteries are easier to install

I've since gone to a winch system, and also try to move the batteries 
on rollers without taking the cells out.


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760
On 11/5/19 6:36 AM, Michael Packard wrote:
I did this exact same thing for a 48v Hup one battery bank.  Engine 
hoist worked like a charm and my back was very thankful!





On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:09 AM Allan Sindelar 
mailto:al...@sindelarsolar.com>> wrote:


Bill, I just did that a month ago, and it went amazingly
smoothly. Earlier, on a similar HUP replacement, I told the
(absentee) client that I would rent an engine hoist to lift the
cells out of the steel cases, and he advised me that it would
cost him less labor and travel if I bought one of the Chinese
engine hoists from Harbor Freight for $90 and just kept it.
Turned out to be a good application for CCC (thanks, Bob-O). A
concrete floor, the engine hoist, a simple hand truck and a
strong assistant to share the load made light work of both
removal and installation - all 4,000 pounds of it, one 200 lb.
cell at a time... so I went dancing that evening.
Allan

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:46 PM, frenergy mailto:frene...@psln.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm going to have to remove the cells from 4 HUP Solar1
battery cases to change-out the pack (no option, bad access). 
Anyone ever had problems come-a-longing from above the first
cell and if so, what's the solution?...and what are you doing
tomorrow?
>
> Thx,
>
> Bill
>
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049
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Re: [RE-wrenches] HUP cell removal

[Allan Sindelar]

Agreed on all points, and one more. The Northwest Energy Storage 
(www.hupsolarone.com) website is unsurpassed, and set up so that I can send 
clients to it, for dimensions and weights, capacities, proper care, min/max 
charging rates... and retail prices, so no questions about what the cost will 
be. 
Allan
(P.S. - worst battery website: Ibe-inc.com for IBE industrial FLA batteries. 
Useless lack of info that hasn’t been updated since the WWW was invented.)

> On Nov 8, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Jeff Clearwater  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes I like the HUPS for many of the same reasons Ray wrote:  I also like that 
> depending on the site I can choose to move them in 900-1800 lb units (6 of 
> the 2V cells in one steel can depending on model) or remove them individually 
> (150-300lbs) and move them that way if needed.
> 
> The install time if moved in the cans is only 3 intertie cables.  I do 
> recommend that folks re-torque the factory installed interties though as they 
> seem to loosen with thermal cycling.
> 
> They also come with a great warranty and free shipping - the steel cases make 
> them great for shipping to developing world in a container.
> 
> And I've received nothing but the best service from NW Energy Storage.
> 
> They are my go-to battery for wet cell Pb-acid for sure for large systems.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Jeff Clearwater
> Village Power Design
> 
> 
> Ray wrote on 11/7/19 7:09 AM:
> 
>> They are made up of removable 2 v cells, and they are much better than the 
>> Surrettes.  They come with all the interconnects prewired, have a better 
>> warranty, longer cycle life, free shipping, and most importantly they 
>> Perform better.  They will outlast all of the batteries you listed, not just 
>> on paper, but in real life.  They also hold their voltage under load much 
>> better than the Surrettes.  Once customers go with the HUPs, we quit having 
>> to worry about them.  
>> 
>> We primarily have our power equipment in the garage of the house, then use a 
>> Bob cat to move the batteries straight off the truck and into their final 
>> resting place in under 30 minutes.  I sold and installed some of the other 
>> brands before settling on the HUPs many years ago. The previous install Pic 
>> was just demonstrating how they can be disassembled if needed, here's how we 
>> do it most of the time:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ray Walters
>> Remote Solar
>> 303 505-8760
>>> On 11/7/19 7:27 AM, frenergy wrote:
>>> I'm with you, the replacement battery for these HUPs are Surrettes.
>>> 
 On 11/7/2019 4:26 AM, Tump wrote:
 My question is WHY do folks still install these steel cased Pain the A*& 
 BBs when we have 2 volt cells (UnigiII/Surrette/Crown)that have up to 
 2400AH @20hr rate and are easily moved by hand, fork truck, shovel! 2 volt 
 cells is always the way to go.
> On Nov 5, 2019, at 11:47 PM, Ray  wrote:
> 
> We've used an engine hoist before, but for tight spaces, we built a rig 
> out of unistrut with a small block and tackle.  Come along can be hard to 
> use, and puts dangerous metal parts over the battery.
> 
> 
> 
> I've since gone to a winch system, and also try to move the batteries on 
> rollers without taking the cells out.
> 
> Ray Walters
> Remote Solar
> 303 505-8760
>> On 11/5/19 6:36 AM, Michael Packard wrote:
>> I did this exact same thing for a 48v Hup one battery bank.  Engine 
>> hoist worked like a charm and my back was very thankful! 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:09 AM Allan Sindelar 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Bill, I just did that a month ago, and it went amazingly smoothly. 
>>> Earlier, on a similar HUP replacement, I told the (absentee) client 
>>> that I would rent an engine hoist to lift the cells out of the steel 
>>> cases, and he advised me that it would cost him less labor and travel 
>>> if I bought one of the Chinese engine hoists from Harbor Freight for 
>>> $90 and just kept it. Turned out to be a good application for CCC 
>>> (thanks, Bob-O). A concrete floor, the engine hoist, a simple hand 
>>> truck and a strong assistant to share the load made light work of both 
>>> removal and installation - all 4,000 pounds of it, one 200 lb. cell at 
>>> a time... so I went dancing that evening. 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> > On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:46 PM, frenergy  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > I'm going to have to remove the cells from 4 HUP Solar1 battery cases 
>>> > to change-out the pack (no option, bad access).  Anyone ever had 
>>> > problems come-a-longing from above the first cell and if so, what's 
>>> > the solution?...and what are you doing tomorrow?
>>> > 
>>> > Thx,
>>> > 
>>> > Bill
>>> > 
>>> > Feather River Solar Electric
>>> > Bill Battagin, Owner
>>> > 4291 Nelson St.
>>> > Taylorsville, CA 95983
>>> > 530.284.7849
>>> > CA Lic 874049
>>> > www.fren