Agreed on all points, and one more. The Northwest Energy Storage (www.hupsolarone.com) website is unsurpassed, and set up so that I can send clients to it, for dimensions and weights, capacities, proper care, min/max charging rates... and retail prices, so no questions about what the cost will be. Allan (P.S. - worst battery website: Ibe-inc.com for IBE industrial FLA batteries. Useless lack of info that hasn’t been updated since the WWW was invented.)
> On Nov 8, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Jeff Clearwater <je...@villagepowerdesign.com> > wrote: > > Yes I like the HUPS for many of the same reasons Ray wrote: I also like that > depending on the site I can choose to move them in 900-1800 lb units (6 of > the 2V cells in one steel can depending on model) or remove them individually > (150-300lbs) and move them that way if needed. > > The install time if moved in the cans is only 3 intertie cables. I do > recommend that folks re-torque the factory installed interties though as they > seem to loosen with thermal cycling. > > They also come with a great warranty and free shipping - the steel cases make > them great for shipping to developing world in a container. > > And I've received nothing but the best service from NW Energy Storage. > > They are my go-to battery for wet cell Pb-acid for sure for large systems. > > Hope that helps. > > Jeff Clearwater > Village Power Design > > > Ray wrote on 11/7/19 7:09 AM: > >> They are made up of removable 2 v cells, and they are much better than the >> Surrettes. They come with all the interconnects prewired, have a better >> warranty, longer cycle life, free shipping, and most importantly they >> Perform better. They will outlast all of the batteries you listed, not just >> on paper, but in real life. They also hold their voltage under load much >> better than the Surrettes. Once customers go with the HUPs, we quit having >> to worry about them. >> >> We primarily have our power equipment in the garage of the house, then use a >> Bob cat to move the batteries straight off the truck and into their final >> resting place in under 30 minutes. I sold and installed some of the other >> brands before settling on the HUPs many years ago. The previous install Pic >> was just demonstrating how they can be disassembled if needed, here's how we >> do it most of the time: >> >> <image.jpg> >> >> Ray Walters >> Remote Solar >> 303 505-8760 >>> On 11/7/19 7:27 AM, frenergy wrote: >>> I'm with you, the replacement battery for these HUPs are Surrettes. >>> >>>> On 11/7/2019 4:26 AM, Tump wrote: >>>> My question is WHY do folks still install these steel cased Pain the A*& >>>> BBs when we have 2 volt cells (UnigiII/Surrette/Crown)that have up to >>>> 2400AH @20hr rate and are easily moved by hand, fork truck, shovel! 2 volt >>>> cells is always the way to go. >>>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 11:47 PM, Ray <r...@solarray.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We've used an engine hoist before, but for tight spaces, we built a rig >>>>> out of unistrut with a small block and tackle. Come along can be hard to >>>>> use, and puts dangerous metal parts over the battery. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've since gone to a winch system, and also try to move the batteries on >>>>> rollers without taking the cells out. >>>>> >>>>> Ray Walters >>>>> Remote Solar >>>>> 303 505-8760 >>>>>> On 11/5/19 6:36 AM, Michael Packard wrote: >>>>>> I did this exact same thing for a 48v Hup one battery bank. Engine >>>>>> hoist worked like a charm and my back was very thankful! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:09 AM Allan Sindelar >>>>>>> <al...@sindelarsolar.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Bill, I just did that a month ago, and it went amazingly smoothly. >>>>>>> Earlier, on a similar HUP replacement, I told the (absentee) client >>>>>>> that I would rent an engine hoist to lift the cells out of the steel >>>>>>> cases, and he advised me that it would cost him less labor and travel >>>>>>> if I bought one of the Chinese engine hoists from Harbor Freight for >>>>>>> $90 and just kept it. Turned out to be a good application for CCC >>>>>>> (thanks, Bob-O). A concrete floor, the engine hoist, a simple hand >>>>>>> truck and a strong assistant to share the load made light work of both >>>>>>> removal and installation - all 4,000 pounds of it, one 200 lb. cell at >>>>>>> a time... so I went dancing that evening. >>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:46 PM, frenergy <frene...@psln.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I'm going to have to remove the cells from 4 HUP Solar1 battery cases >>>>>>> > to change-out the pack (no option, bad access). 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