Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility question
OutBack's Radian does AC input support, which can be applied to either a generator or even to grid. Phil On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:19 PM, John Berdner john.berd...@solaredge.comwrote: SMA Sunny Island also does this but also discharges battery in parallel with the generator to create a “virtual generator” that is larger than the actual generator. Just set the max generator current and it does the rest. ** ** Best Regards, ** ** John Berdner General Manager, North America ** ** [image: SmallBannerPictEngnew] ** ** SolarEdge Technologies, Inc. 3347 Gateway Boulevard, Fremont CA 94538 USA *(*Please note of our new address.)* T: 510.498.3200, X 747 M: 530.277.4894 ** ** *From:* re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Allan Sindelar *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:14 PM *To:* William Miller *Cc:* RE-wrenches *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility question ** ** William, Yes, that's my understanding. Outback acknowledged this to me years ago. Allan *Allan Sindelar* al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder and Chief Technology Officer *Positive Energy, Inc.* 3209 Richards Lane (note new address) Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 *505 424-1112* www.positiveenergysolar.com ** ** ** ** On 1/29/2013 9:28 PM, William Miller wrote: Allan: Could it be that the SW systems are protecting the generator with Generator Support, and the Outback inverters are not? William Miller At 07:18 PM 1/29/2013, you wrote: This is going back several years... The Outback VFX series lacks the tight input current regulation of the SW series, so the max AC amps in is really just a suggestion. In many cases (and especially with these small generators) we want to set the max amps in as high as possible to minimize charging time and maximize C/rate. Yet a surge load can momentarily exceed the max amps setting. I have observed that the Honda inverter/generators have a quite sensitive AC output breaker, that will sometimes trip if a surge load (such as a refrigerator) comes on during a charge cycle set close to the generator's capacity. This incident was specific to a Honda 3000i. In contrast, Yamaha's EF3000iSE will lug when overloaded - not good for the generator, but also not likely to trip the output breaker. This is a different issue than was being discussed, but fits your question. Allan ** ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and its attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity who is the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure or any type of use under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, or the employee, agent, or representative responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please reply immediately to the sender. *P* Please think of the environment before printing this email ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org image001.jpg___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility question
William, Yes, that's my understanding. Outback acknowledged this to me years ago. Allan Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder and Chief Technology Officer Positive Energy, Inc. 3209 Richards Lane (note new address) Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 www.positiveenergysolar.com On 1/29/2013 9:28 PM, William Miller wrote: Allan: Could it be that the SW systems are protecting the generator with Generator Support, and the Outback inverters are not? William Miller At 07:18 PM 1/29/2013, you wrote: This is going back several years... The Outback VFX series lacks the tight input current regulation of the SW series, so the max AC amps in is really just a suggestion. In many cases (and especially with these small generators) we want to set the max amps in as high as possible to minimize charging time and maximize C/rate. Yet a surge load can momentarily exceed the max amps setting. I have observed that the Honda inverter/generators have a quite sensitive AC output breaker, that will sometimes trip if a surge load (such as a refrigerator) comes on during a charge cycle set close to the generator's capacity. This incident was specific to a Honda 3000i. In contrast, Yamaha's EF3000iSE will lug when overloaded - not good for the generator, but also not likely to trip the output breaker. This is a different issue than was being discussed, but fits your question. Allan ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility question
Funny that the good old SW inverters still have features that new inverters haven't topped: the (as mentioned) AC current input setting, still the best gen autostart menu, dual AC inputs, and excellent reliability. I'm currently working on a project with an SW4024 that is 17 years old, and still working fine. We're adding batteries, modules, MPPT controllers, etc. but the inverter is not on the upgrade list right now. The SW plus however does not regulate AC input current as well, and I've had the same issues with overloading small generators as with the Outbacks. Magnums also are hard to set, and I finally had to give up using small (under 4 kw) generators with any of the newer larger inverters. Small genies seem to only work well with old SWs, or small inverters with low charger draw. Using a separate Iota charger (as some pointed out) is definitely an option, but last time I used one, they were not UL listed or set up to wire in a code compliant manor. Ray Walters On 1/31/2013 3:13 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote: William, Yes, that's my understanding. Outback acknowledged this to me years ago. Allan *Allan Sindelar* _Allan@positiveenergysolar.com_ mailto:al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder and Chief Technology Officer *Positive Energy, Inc.* 3209 Richards Lane (note new address) Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 *505 424-1112* _www.positiveenergysolar.com_ http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/ * * On 1/29/2013 9:28 PM, William Miller wrote: Allan: Could it be that the SW systems are protecting the generator with Generator Support, and the Outback inverters are not? William Miller At 07:18 PM 1/29/2013, you wrote: This is going back several years... The Outback VFX series lacks the tight input current regulation of the SW series, so the max AC amps in is really just a suggestion. In many cases (and especially with these small generators) we want to set the max amps in as high as possible to minimize charging time and maximize C/rate. Yet a surge load can momentarily exceed the max amps setting. I have observed that the Honda inverter/generators have a quite sensitive AC output breaker, that will sometimes trip if a surge load (such as a refrigerator) comes on during a charge cycle set close to the generator's capacity. This incident was specific to a Honda 3000i. In contrast, Yamaha's EF3000iSE will lug when overloaded - not good for the generator, but also not likely to trip the output breaker. This is a different issue than was being discussed, but fits your question. Allan ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility question
SMA Sunny Island also does this but also discharges battery in parallel with the generator to create a virtual generator that is larger than the actual generator. Just set the max generator current and it does the rest. Best Regards, John Berdner General Manager, North America [cid:image001.jpg@01CDFFD7.2FD21100] SolarEdge Technologies, Inc. 3347 Gateway Boulevard, Fremont CA 94538 USA (*Please note of our new address.) T: 510.498.3200, X 747 M: 530.277.4894 From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:14 PM To: William Miller Cc: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility question William, Yes, that's my understanding. Outback acknowledged this to me years ago. Allan Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.commailto:al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder and Chief Technology Officer Positive Energy, Inc. 3209 Richards Lane (note new address) Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 www.positiveenergysolar.comhttp://www.positiveenergysolar.com/ On 1/29/2013 9:28 PM, William Miller wrote: Allan: Could it be that the SW systems are protecting the generator with Generator Support, and the Outback inverters are not? William Miller At 07:18 PM 1/29/2013, you wrote: This is going back several years... The Outback VFX series lacks the tight input current regulation of the SW series, so the max AC amps in is really just a suggestion. In many cases (and especially with these small generators) we want to set the max amps in as high as possible to minimize charging time and maximize C/rate. Yet a surge load can momentarily exceed the max amps setting. I have observed that the Honda inverter/generators have a quite sensitive AC output breaker, that will sometimes trip if a surge load (such as a refrigerator) comes on during a charge cycle set close to the generator's capacity. This incident was specific to a Honda 3000i. In contrast, Yamaha's EF3000iSE will lug when overloaded - not good for the generator, but also not likely to trip the output breaker. This is a different issue than was being discussed, but fits your question. Allan CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and its attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity who is the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure or any type of use under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, or the employee, agent, or representative responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please reply immediately to the sender. P Please think of the environment before printing this email inline: image001.jpg___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility question
This is going back several years... The Outback VFX series lacks the tight input current regulation of the SW series, so the max AC amps in is really just a suggestion. In many cases (and especially with these small generators) we want to set the max amps in as high as possible to minimize charging time and maximize C/rate. Yet a surge load can momentarily exceed the max amps setting. I have observed that the Honda inverter/generators have a quite sensitive AC output breaker, that will sometimes trip if a surge load (such as a refrigerator) comes on during a charge cycle set close to the generator's capacity. This incident was specific to a Honda 3000i. In contrast, Yamaha's EF3000iSE will lug when overloaded - not good for the generator, but also not likely to trip the output breaker. This is a different issue than was being discussed, but fits your question. Allan Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder and Chief Technology Officer Positive Energy, Inc. 3209 Richards Lane (note new address) Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 www.positiveenergysolar.com On 1/29/2013 3:42 PM, Greg Egan wrote: Dan, that's the first I've heard of a Honda 3000i not working with an Outback inverter. I hope it was a fluke (no pun intended). Anyone else had issues with the Honda i line of gensets and inverters? Thanks again, -- Untitled Document Greg Egan ph (907)457-4299 fx (907)457-4290 www.remotepowerinc.com ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility question
Allan: Could it be that the SW systems are protecting the generator with Generator Support, and the Outback inverters are not? William Miller At 07:18 PM 1/29/2013, you wrote: This is going back several years... The Outback VFX series lacks the tight input current regulation of the SW series, so the max AC amps in is really just a suggestion. In many cases (and especially with these small generators) we want to set the max amps in as high as possible to minimize charging time and maximize C/rate. Yet a surge load can momentarily exceed the max amps setting. I have observed that the Honda inverter/generators have a quite sensitive AC output breaker, that will sometimes trip if a surge load (such as a refrigerator) comes on during a charge cycle set close to the generator's capacity. This incident was specific to a Honda 3000i. In contrast, Yamaha's EF3000iSE will lug when overloaded - not good for the generator, but also not likely to trip the output breaker. This is a different issue than was being discussed, but fits your question. Allan ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility
Carl; The Iotas we are using have an external jumper that you insert that allows it to get to EQ voltage. DAN On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Carl Hansen solar...@cybermesa.com wrote: Dan, You may be do this as well, but I frequently deal with homeowners with inexpensive generators, I find that the Outback and Magnum inverters are very tolerant but I do generally have to load the generator up to where I want it bulk charging the batteries, then adjust the generator speed to dial in the freqency to 60Hz using the throttle adj. screw. Do you find the Iota chargers can reach bulk charge voltages, or even EQ voltages ? Carl Hansen -- Dan Fink, Executive Director; Otherpower Buckville Energy Consulting Buckville Publications LLC NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers 970.672.4342 (voicemail) ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility
Usually those portable generators have very poor wave forms, with a big spike on the leading edge of the sine wave. Frequency regulation also can be all over the place as it gulps gas and sputters on impurities, etc. When they get loaded, you keep the nasty little spike, but then the whole wave just squashes down too. I've seen the peak (which should be 169v on a 117 v pure sine) hitting under 140 v peak. I usually recommend charging with cheap gennies in the day, and limiting other loads. He definitely can't blame the inverter, as the generator power is just passing through a transfer switch straight to the loads when its running. You're right to try backing down the charge rate and watch the generator waveform. If you don't have an oscilloscope, a Fluke 87 can capture the peaks in fast capture mode. Todd is also on to something, that generator doesn't have full output at 120 v, so you need a transformer to get a balanced full output from it. Maxing out one leg, while the other leg is unloaded will eventually cause uneven wear of the generator. Ray Walters On 1/27/2013 4:20 PM, toddc...@finestplanet.com wrote: just curious... is this a 240 volt genny with only one leg loaded? todd On Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:34pm, Greg Egan g...@remotepowerinc.com said: Wrenchers and Wrenchettes, A customer has a husq. 5500 generator and an Outback inverter. His lights flicker in the house when he's charging. Recently his generator died and he's having it repaired next week. I think he thinks the inverter is causing the problem. My understanding is that some generators have less accurate voltage regulators than others and the ones with the cheaper regulators have a hard time regulating when connected to a non linear load such as a battery charger. I don't have a way to look at the sine wave but I suspect this is the problem here. The trouble shooting I was planning was to take his (repaired) generator and connect it to the inverter and put a 15 amp charging load on the genny and turn on some lights. If they flicker, start backing off on the charging amps and see if the flickering goes to zero as the charging load on the genset goes to zero. The logic here is that if we take the charging load out of the circuit and the lights stop flickering and the genny stops surging, that what we have is an AVR that doesn't like the battery charger as a load and is confused by it. Would this be correct? If it is a VR problem I think switching to a Honda EU series inverter will solve the problem but customer doesn't want to buy a new genny. I read a post in the archives regarding generator compatibility and they recommended adding a resistive load when the charger is running. I've also heard there was a way of correcting compatibility problems with a capacitor. If this is so, has anyone done it before and if so do you know the size and type of cap I'd need and where I would connect it in the circuit? I called Outback Tech support and the person I talked to didn't seem to really know what I was talking about. If I get this resolved I'll probably forward the solution to Outback for their FAQ's Thanks for the assist - I appreciate it! -- Greg Egan Remote Power Inc. ph (907)457-4299 fx (907)457-4290 www.remotepowerinc.com http://www.remotepowerinc.com Sent from Finest Planet WebMail. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility
We have run into many problems on very remote sites with various really nice, small newer inverter/chargers not accepting waveforms from various newer (inverter-based) generators. For example on one particular system Honda 1000i works fine, Honda 2000i works fine, Honda 3000i and the charger says no. Plug a different Honda 3000i into the the same inverter/charger, works fine. After sling-loading the Honda there by helicopter. Argh! Inverter makers have been very helpful but the settings just can't be tweaked that far, RE Wrenches list gurus have been awesomely helpful, Honda not so helpful but at least honest. My service calls by helicopter this year will include an O-scope. I really want to get to the bottom of the problem. It plagues us. I like Iota chargers more and more every summer. -- Dan Fink, Executive Director; Otherpower Buckville Energy Consulting Buckville Publications LLC NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers 970.672.4342 (voicemail) ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility
Dan, You may be do this as well, but I frequently deal with homeowners with inexpensive generators, I find that the Outback and Magnum inverters are very tolerant but I do generally have to load the generator up to where I want it bulk charging the batteries, then adjust the generator speed to dial in the freqency to 60Hz using the throttle adj. screw. Do you find the Iota chargers can reach bulk charge voltages, or even EQ voltages ? Carl Hansen On 1/27/2013 5:15 PM, Dan Fink wrote: We have run into many problems on very remote sites with various really nice, small newer inverter/chargers not accepting waveforms from various newer (inverter-based) generators. For example on one particular system Honda 1000i works fine, Honda 2000i works fine, Honda 3000i and the charger says no. Plug a different Honda 3000i into the the same inverter/charger, works fine. After sling-loading the Honda there by helicopter. Argh! Inverter makers have been very helpful but the settings just can't be tweaked that far, RE Wrenches list gurus have been awesomely helpful, Honda not so helpful but at least honest. My service calls by helicopter this year will include an O-scope. I really want to get to the bottom of the problem. It plagues us. I like Iota chargers more and more every summer. -- Dan Fink, Executive Director; Otherpower Buckville Energy Consulting Buckville Publications LLC NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers 970.672.4342 (voicemail) ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Husqvarna 5500 and VFX3524 Compatibility
Many versions of the Iota, Todd before them and now Power Max ( 12v and 24v are available, not sure yet on the 48v) are adjustable or can be ordered with an adjustment feature which will allow for higher than normal setpoints. 16v+ if you want it Jay peltz power On Jan 27, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Carl Hansen wrote: Dan, You may be do this as well, but I frequently deal with homeowners with inexpensive generators, I find that the Outback and Magnum inverters are very tolerant but I do generally have to load the generator up to where I want it bulk charging the batteries, then adjust the generator speed to dial in the freqency to 60Hz using the throttle adj. screw. Do you find the Iota chargers can reach bulk charge voltages, or even EQ voltages ? Carl Hansen On 1/27/2013 5:15 PM, Dan Fink wrote: We have run into many problems on very remote sites with various really nice, small newer inverter/chargers not accepting waveforms from various newer (inverter-based) generators. For example on one particular system Honda 1000i works fine, Honda 2000i works fine, Honda 3000i and the charger says no. Plug a different Honda 3000i into the the same inverter/charger, works fine. After sling-loading the Honda there by helicopter. Argh! Inverter makers have been very helpful but the settings just can't be tweaked that far, RE Wrenches list gurus have been awesomely helpful, Honda not so helpful but at least honest. My service calls by helicopter this year will include an O-scope. I really want to get to the bottom of the problem. It plagues us. I like Iota chargers more and more every summer. -- Dan Fink, Executive Director; Otherpower Buckville Energy Consulting Buckville Publications LLC NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers 970.672.4342 (voicemail) ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
