[RE-wrenches] Up for a 1-Line Riddle?
I was sent to look at another contractor's work, and found three SB5000 inverters with blown string input fuses. I was able to determine the reason pretty quickly, and was later sent the original 1-Line, which was installed per the drawings. The 1-Line came from a leading system integrator who shall remain nameless. See anything wrong? https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D6539806_8669786_010829 Just goes to show you - the contractor needs to take responsibility and verify the specifications are correct, safe, and code compliant. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Up for a 1-Line Riddle?
Ahh yes, the old combine strings before landing on a fused DC input terminal trick. Sure to blow the fuse the first sunny day. This is why SMA created their fuse-bypass DC input terminal. I take it the installer was not aware of this... For a brighter energy future, Andrew Truitt NABCEP Certified PV Installer™ (ID# 032407-66) Principal Truitt Renewable Energy Consulting (202) 486-7507 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-truitt/8/622/713 Don't get me wrong: I love nuclear energy! It's just that I prefer fusion to fission. And it just so happens that there's an enormous fusion reactor safely banked a few million miles from us. It delivers more than we could ever use in just about 8 minutes. And it's wireless! ~William McDonough On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Jason Szumlanski ja...@fafcosolar.comwrote: I was sent to look at another contractor's work, and found three SB5000 inverters with blown string input fuses. I was able to determine the reason pretty quickly, and was later sent the original 1-Line, which was installed per the drawings. The 1-Line came from a leading system integrator who shall remain nameless. See anything wrong? https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D6539806_8669786_010829 Just goes to show you - the contractor needs to take responsibility and verify the specifications are correct, safe, and code compliant. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Up for a 1-Line Riddle?
I've seen that one a lot, too. And not to quibble, but the 1-line depicts this correctly (no inline fuse shown in the inverter DC disconnect box), though there should be a note making this more explicit. Speaking of sunny days turning off the system, how about the 3 30A inverter breakers' combined feed going into a 55A breaker. Also... a 55A breaker? Really? I guess the designer wanted to leave a little headroom to avoid scaring the 60A disconnect. DKC On 2012/8/30 14:35, Andrew Truitt wrote: Ahh yes, the old combine strings before landing on a fused DC input terminal trick. Sure to blow the fuse the first sunny day. This is why SMA created their fuse-bypass DC input terminal. I take it the installer was not aware of this... For a brighter energy future, Andrew Truitt NABCEP Certified PV Installer™ (ID# 032407-66) Principal Truitt Renewable Energy Consulting (202) 486-7507 tel:%28202%29%20486-7507 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-truitt/8/622/713 Don't get me wrong: I love nuclear energy! It's just that I prefer fusion to fission. And it just so happens that there's an enormous fusion reactor safely banked a few million miles from us. It delivers more than we could ever use in just about 8 minutes. And it's wireless! ~William McDonough On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Jason Szumlanski ja...@fafcosolar.com mailto:ja...@fafcosolar.com wrote: I was sent to look at another contractor's work, and found three SB5000 inverters with blown string input fuses. I was able to determine the reason pretty quickly, and was later sent the original 1-Line, which was installed per the drawings. The 1-Line came from a leading system integrator who shall remain nameless. See anything wrong? https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D6539806_8669786_010829 Just goes to show you - the contractor needs to take responsibility and verify the specifications are correct, safe, and code compliant. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org http://www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Up for a 1-Line Riddle?
I'm assuming it's a balanced 3-phase interconnection, which fits with the reported phase current of 42 A: (3 x 5000 W) / 208 V / 1.73 = 41.7 A Or more simply: 24 A per inverter x 1.73 = 41.5 A However, no one reviewing a single-line should have to guess about the service type On Aug 30, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Dave Click wrote: I've seen that one a lot, too. And not to quibble, but the 1-line depicts this correctly (no inline fuse shown in the inverter DC disconnect box), though there should be a note making this more explicit. Speaking of sunny days turning off the system, how about the 3 30A inverter breakers' combined feed going into a 55A breaker. Also... a 55A breaker? Really? I guess the designer wanted to leave a little headroom to avoid scaring the 60A disconnect. DKC On 2012/8/30 14:35, Andrew Truitt wrote: Ahh yes, the old combine strings before landing on a fused DC input terminal trick. Sure to blow the fuse the first sunny day. This is why SMA created their fuse-bypass DC input terminal. I take it the installer was not aware of this... For a brighter energy future, Andrew Truitt NABCEP Certified PV Installer™ (ID# 032407-66) Principal Truitt Renewable Energy Consulting (202) 486-7507 tel:%28202%29%20486-7507 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-truitt/8/622/713 Don't get me wrong: I love nuclear energy! It's just that I prefer fusion to fission. And it just so happens that there's an enormous fusion reactor safely banked a few million miles from us. It delivers more than we could ever use in just about 8 minutes. And it's wireless! ~William McDonough On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Jason Szumlanski ja...@fafcosolar.com mailto:ja...@fafcosolar.com wrote: I was sent to look at another contractor's work, and found three SB5000 inverters with blown string input fuses. I was able to determine the reason pretty quickly, and was later sent the original 1-Line, which was installed per the drawings. The 1-Line came from a leading system integrator who shall remain nameless. See anything wrong? https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D6539806_8669786_010829 Just goes to show you - the contractor needs to take responsibility and verify the specifications are correct, safe, and code compliant. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org http://www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Up for a 1-Line Riddle?
Thanks David, I was in residential mode and just saw the 240V listed in the OCPD table! On 2012/8/30 16:47, David Brearley wrote: I'm assuming it's a balanced 3-phase interconnection, which fits with the reported phase current of 42 A: (3 x 5000 W) / 208 V / 1.73 = 41.7 A Or more simply: 24 A per inverter x 1.73 = 41.5 A However, no one reviewing a single-line should have to guess about the service type On Aug 30, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Dave Click wrote: I've seen that one a lot, too. And not to quibble, but the 1-line depicts this correctly (no inline fuse shown in the inverter DC disconnect box), though there should be a note making this more explicit. Speaking of sunny days turning off the system, how about the 3 30A inverter breakers' combined feed going into a 55A breaker. Also... a 55A breaker? Really? I guess the designer wanted to leave a little headroom to avoid scaring the 60A disconnect. DKC On 2012/8/30 14:35, Andrew Truitt wrote: Ahh yes, the old combine strings before landing on a fused DC input terminal trick. Sure to blow the fuse the first sunny day. This is why SMA created their fuse-bypass DC input terminal. I take it the installer was not aware of this... For a brighter energy future, Andrew Truitt NABCEP Certified PV Installer™ (ID# 032407-66) Principal Truitt Renewable Energy Consulting (202) 486-7507 tel:%28202%29%20486-7507 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-truitt/8/622/713 Don't get me wrong: I love nuclear energy! It's just that I prefer fusion to fission. And it just so happens that there's an enormous fusion reactor safely banked a few million miles from us. It delivers more than we could ever use in just about 8 minutes. And it's wireless! ~William McDonough On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Jason Szumlanski ja...@fafcosolar.com mailto:ja...@fafcosolar.com wrote: I was sent to look at another contractor's work, and found three SB5000 inverters with blown string input fuses. I was able to determine the reason pretty quickly, and was later sent the original 1-Line, which was installed per the drawings. The 1-Line came from a leading system integrator who shall remain nameless. See anything wrong? https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D6539806_8669786_010829 Just goes to show you - the contractor needs to take responsibility and verify the specifications are correct, safe, and code compliant. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org http://www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Up for a 1-Line Riddle?
Yep... the owner wondered why they fuses didn't blow earlier. I had to explain that the panels are at 5% tilt and here in SW FL the sun rises to 85 degrees above the horizon come summer. There was never a problem in the winter and spring! The 7.69 Imp per string should have been the obvious tip-off. 2 x 7.69 = 15A. 36A max on the combined input terminal is a nice feature. As soon as I saw the 30A discos next to the inverters I wondered why they were landing on the fused inputs. Without the 1-line in my hand, that was a good tip-off, too. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Andrew Truitt atru...@gmail.com wrote: Ahh yes, the old combine strings before landing on a fused DC input terminal trick. Sure to blow the fuse the first sunny day. This is why SMA created their fuse-bypass DC input terminal. I take it the installer was not aware of this... For a brighter energy future, Andrew Truitt NABCEP Certified PV Installer™ (ID# 032407-66) Principal Truitt Renewable Energy Consulting (202) 486-7507 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-truitt/8/622/713 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Jason Szumlanski ja...@fafcosolar.comwrote: I was sent to look at another contractor's work, and found three SB5000 inverters with blown string input fuses. I was able to determine the reason pretty quickly, and was later sent the original 1-Line, which was installed per the drawings. The 1-Line came from a leading system integrator who shall remain nameless. See anything wrong? https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D6539806_8669786_010829 Just goes to show you - the contractor needs to take responsibility and verify the specifications are correct, safe, and code compliant. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
