[REBOL] Re: REBOL DOC for teaching - Some criteria I would like to share before applying
Hi Jason, You wrote: > Gerard that sounds like very sensible way to proceed.. > With a foundation in rebol-friendly Make-Doc-Pro fomat there will still be > plenty opportunity to experiment later with fancier interactive options. If > you you need help with french-english translation I can help. Your offer is really appreciated and as soon as possible I will send you some texts to read, review and/or comment before we do anything else. This way we'll not work for nothing if any major changes are required following any welcomed suggestions that would be submitted. Simply don't forget the audience that is targeted and the fact that this first work doesn't stand as a complete Computer science course but will look more like a gentle introduction to programming using REBOL. Later will come a more complete online course targeting at two objectives: 1- fill in many of the gaps noted in the actual doc. 2- Illustrate how CS concepts can be implemented using REBOL. And for this second part many of the current library scripts could and will be used as a basis for more elaborate analysis. Thanks, Gerard -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL DOC for teaching - Some criteria I would like to share before applying
> However for the moment I began to structure my TOC and even wrote some preliminary text - in French since I think a lot better in my > native language than I even write in English - using the Make-DOC-PRO format for getting quick rendering of the output in a somewhat > interesting dressing. And all of this without much effort - thanks to Carl and Robert for this. Gerard that sounds like very sensible way to proceed.. With a foundation in rebol-friendly Make-Doc-Pro fomat there will still be plenty opportunity to experiment later with fancier interactive options. If you you need help with french-english translation I can help. good luck - Jason -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL DOC for teaching - Some criteria I would like to share before applying
Hi Jason, Gregg and Arie, Thanks for your support. In fact I like the idea of getting some interactivity for viewing/demoing using some animation but I also agree with the fact that AVI are too weighty for the Job I plan. I also - a couple of years ago when I began to look at /View - began to study the way Carl did his presentation but I found the way some figures were constructed is too much complicated for such a few gain. May be I will reconsider a second try at this approach since I would prefer to get anything done using REBOL. However for the moment I began to structure my TOC and even wrote some preliminary text - in French since I think a lot better in my native language than I even write in English - using the Make-DOC-PRO format for getting quick rendering of the output in a somewhat interesting dressing. And all of this without much effort - thanks to Carl and Robert for this. Eventually I will get back and see if things have evolved but for the moment I plan to stand firm on my position. When a sufficient amount of material will have be written, tried and tested then I'll see for what is the best tool to adopt for getting the tutorial more attractive. In all cases it could not be worse than now - if I remember. But I also remember of some nice product named ScreenCam that was signed by Lotus and designed to run on old Windows machines. Since I already got it in the past I will probably be able to get it reinstalled and try it again just to see how much space it will occupy. In all cases, continue to explore, test and feed me with your ideas. Already we could try each one on his side to drive some tests running some small experiment in an interactive way so that we can show to the user some kind of animation of all the execution process - seen from the outside - with variable speed and possibility to stop too. For example let's see if we could simulate - or let a real small app running - that can be completely driven by the user ( in a single direction for that time - forward only) and which would ask some input data (may be a choice amongst many data options would be nice too) and display some intermediate results (pre-planned by the creator) or at least the final results. In fact it's almost a symbolic debugger for straight programs, that is small programs that don't use too much dynamic behaviour - to begin with. And this could be driven by single mouse clicks or keyboard letters as the following may be: R- Run with almost normal speed in forward direction (From begin to end) R/S - to single step - and the user would be abel to define what a step is - 1 or many lines, a loop, a breakpoint... R/R - Run in reverse direction (Would be useful to SINGLE step backward, display intermediate contents, enter corrections and restart forward or backward) R/T - Run with another input data choice amongst suggested ones (Don't forget that it's only canned for display - no real user interaction permitted) R/I - Run with some internals displayed (Use the M command to indicate which Word(s) to use for) M - To mark what content is to be displayed when the run is stopped or when script is exhausted. May be we'll come to see a very surprising result at the end. In fact when I came to REBOL it was precisely to be able to create this kind of tool - using Parse and creating my own FRENCH teaching language but for now I am far from my goal. At least it is fun and I learn a lot of material not even from my REBOL related readings but also from my exchange with you all. I must recognize that having no real foundation in Computer Science other than my readings I somewhat miss some parts of the advanced dialogs but I don't give up yet ... now that my health really seems to feel better ! I'm like a brand new Gerard reassembled from old pieces ;-) Regards, Gerard - Original Message - From: "Jason Cunliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL DOC for teaching - Some criteria I would like to share before applying > > > Now, my experience is that you can learn a lot in a minimum amount of time > > this way. It works better than executing "commands" on a one by one basis > > from a book, since in the video tutorial one can see what is being done. > > Great that you are interested in developing along these lines. > Over-the-shoulder video-type tutorials can be very helpful to many people. > Unfortunately video ..AVI files are huge and while DVD has opened this up > enormosly now, it does not solve video's very poor image handling of any > screenshots or typographics. > > A valuable alternative is FlashCast - an editable screen capture and > annotation tool which generates Macromedia Flash .SWF format files. > http://www.
[REBOL] Re: ANN: RebDB Pseudo-Relational Database
> Monday, January 26, 2004, 4:58:09 AM, Ashley wrote: > > > Some time ago I set out to fill this gap, and am > now proud to > > release the fruits of my labour: RebDB v1.0, free > for both > > commercial and non-commercial use. Software, plus > extensive > > documentation, can be found at: > http://www.dobeash.com/RebDB/ > Ashley, RebDB is very impressive, and exactly what I've been looking for. The documentation is particularly good, too. DefiantPC has been good enough to add a RebDB forum at RebolTalk. Thanks, Ged Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] [ANN] [REBOL.org] Library data services
A new toy at REBOL.org http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/documentation.r?script=lds-local.r Library Data Services is a way to access the data at REBOL.org from any REBOL program, rather than having to use a web browser. You could use that to download any scripts that have been added or changed since the last time you updated your local copy of the Library. Or you could pull out of the Mailing List archive all messages from a particular poster. Or you could write a little installer that grabs the latest versions of the scripts your application needs direct from the Script Library. It's a read-only interface just now, so you can't use it to contribute new scripts. But that level of interaction is planned. The documentation tells you more, but here's a little example that downloads all scripts added or updated in the last two weeks. do %lds-local.r ;; initialise the interface changed-scripts-list: lds/send-server 'list-updated-scripts [14] ;;14 = 14 days foreach script-name changed-scripts-list/data/script-list [ print ["getting " script-name] changed-script: lds/send-server 'get-script reduce [script-name] write to-file script-name changed-script/data/script ] print ["got " length? changed-scripts-list/data/script-list "script(s)"] Please let me know any problems, or requests for features, Have fun playing, Sunanda. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: ANN: RebDB Pseudo-Relational Database
> Some time ago I set out to fill this gap, and am now proud to release the > fruits of my labour: RebDB v1.0, free for both commercial and > non-commercial use. Software, plus extensive documentation, can be found > at: http://www.dobeash.com/RebDB/ Wow great to see this work you've done, and especially with so much nice documentation already with its first release. Thank you - Jason -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] [REBOL.org] Recent changes
[REBOL] [REBOL.org] Recent changes This is an automatic email from REBOL.org, the REBOL Script Library to notify you of recent changes to the Library. ===changes=== lds-local.r --change: new script --change: documentation added or updated --title: Library data services quickparser.r --change: updated script --title: XML to HTML node parser webserv.r --change: updated script --title: REBOL Web Server ===additional information=== new and updated scripts: http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/search.r?special-filter=recent recent documentation: http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/cpt-recent-docs.r ===end=== --The Library People --26-Jan-2004 -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: ANN: RebDB Pseudo-Relational Database
Monday, January 26, 2004, 4:58:09 AM, Ashley wrote: > Some time ago I set out to fill this gap, and am now proud to > release the fruits of my labour: RebDB v1.0, free for both > commercial and non-commercial use. Software, plus extensive > documentation, can be found at: http://www.dobeash.com/RebDB/ Congratulations, Ashley! -- Best regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL DOC for teaching - Some criteria I would like to share before applying
> Now, my experience is that you can learn a lot in a minimum amount of time > this way. It works better than executing "commands" on a one by one basis > from a book, since in the video tutorial one can see what is being done. Great that you are interested in developing along these lines. Over-the-shoulder video-type tutorials can be very helpful to many people. Unfortunately video ..AVI files are huge and while DVD has opened this up enormosly now, it does not solve video's very poor image handling of any screenshots or typographics. A valuable alternative is FlashCast - an editable screen capture and annotation tool which generates Macromedia Flash .SWF format files. http://www.multidmedia.com/software/flashcast/ Pros-- This results in much smaller file sizes, screen captures are which very crisp and legible. In addition extra annotation including tutorial voice-overs can be recorded and/or loaded. Further interactivity can be added using additional Flash programming techniques and tools. FlashCast can create standalone executables or can be embedded immediately in web pages. Cons -- FlashCast itself is Windows only at this time, though the SWF output is cross-platform [Win, Mac, Linux]. Also it is a commercial third party app. The price seems pretty reasonable at $120 with no restrictions. [30 day Free trial download available]. - Jason -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: ANN: RebDB Pseudo-Relational Database
Thanks Ashley! I can't wait to check it out. -- Gregg -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL DOC for teaching - Some criteria I would like to share before applying
Arie et al Interactive, dynamic, tutorials can be great, I agree. I'd rather do it with pure REBOL than AVI though. There are a few examples of people doing this kind of "presentation" system in REBOL (Carl's presentation app, EasyVID, Brett's "play app" that sends commands to other reblets, etc.). Keep those great ideas coming folks! -- Gregg -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: DOC Wish list Add-ons Was-->Re: Problem with CGI
Hi Gerard, I don't have time to think deeply about your suggestions, or respond well, right now, but I'll flag your message for use in our discussions about how to improve REBOL.org and community resources in general. Thanks! -- Gregg -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Some Answers?
Good morning all, wondering if someone with a bit more experience than myself could stop by the forum and answer a few of the questions? http://reboltalk.com/forums -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL DOC for teaching - Some criteria I would like to share before applying
Hi guys, as I see in the list the attachment in the previous post was stripped off. If you're interested, let me know. I'll send it as a provate mail to you then! Grtz, Arie -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: ANN: RebDB Pseudo-Relational Database
Ashley Trüter wrote: >Hi all, > >Many folks on this list use REBOL for any number of unique and complex >tasks, but when it comes to a "real" database we tend to discount REBOL >almost out of hand. While the cookbook "Micro database" is a good starting >point, it doesn't cut it for more demanding tasks. > >Some time ago I set out to fill this gap, and am now proud to release the >fruits of my labour: RebDB v1.0, free for both commercial and >non-commercial use. Software, plus extensive documentation, can be found >at: http://www.dobeash.com/RebDB/ > >If there is sufficient interest, I'll see about an AltME / REBOL Forum >presence. > > >Regards, > > Ashley > > Now it will be interesting to see performance comparison of your database vs. DyBase one :-) -pekr- -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL DOC for teaching - Some criteria I would like to share before applying
Hi Gerard, indeed I agree that good learning material is essential. A short time ago I had to learn Microsoft Excel. I got hold of a few books, but none of them really was what I liked. So, then I came across a CD containing Excel tutorials, a lot of them being video fragments, accompanied by somebodies voice, who told essential things while just pointing, clicking and entering stuff on the keyboard. Now, my experience is that you can learn a lot in a minimum amount of time this way. It works better than executing "commands" on a one by one basis from a book, since in the video tutorial one can see what is being done. Currently I am experimenting with a software package (shareware) called Hypercam ( http://www.hyperionics.com/ ). It is free to try and is very promising! Perhaps it is possible to write a "script" (like a film script) telling what the tutorial should teach. Having written the script it is then easy enough to build an AVI movie which clearly shows the steps one by one. It is even possible to use Powerpoint to show the steps in clear text in a corner of the screen as well. If people in this list tend to agree with me on this, I am willing to put some effort into it. Perhaps other (more experienced) people can write "Tutorial Scripts" and again other people (like me) then create AVI movies from it. Hope this may be of any help to us all. Attached to this e-mail you will find a very easy example of what can be done with the package. Because of the size it is a ZIPped AVI file. NOTE: since I am still trying out I use an unregistered version of Hypercam!!! Kind regards, Arie van Wingerden - Original Message - From: "Gerard Cote" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 7:56 PM Subject: [REBOL] REBOL DOC for teaching - Some criteria I would like to share before applying > Hi List, > > A couple of days ago, I again revisited my 3 official books about REBOL and each one does a great job in is own way. And I really > think there is place for another "online" self-learning material about REBOL - some kind of extensive tutorial . May be it will > simply complete what is already available but I would do a bit more in the sense of producing some teaching material for school > usage. > > The main problem I encountered in the past with many teaching or self-learning material is often related with the targeted audience > vs the information level teachers and students were seeking for. > > For the moment I think there is a need for beginner's material to fulfill and this is the direction I choos to go with. > But when I say beginner I think to someone that is beginning to learn computer programming and who would like to see what REBOL has > to offer in this way. May be someone too that is not too old - from 13 years old and up seems like a great start base and I'll try > to do my best to keep in mind many fundamental things which are complementary to each other : > > - Material must be far from boring. Keeping it motivating is one of my prime objectives. While some transparent interfacing is > required to let students use View features without having to grasp its complexity level. For example: > if I permit the use of some LOGO like painting with View, there must be some way to let the user's to interact with LOGO like > commands and never see the details involved under the cover. > > - Examples must enforce the comprehension while kept aligned with sound learned concepts while illustrating in parallel some well > established design-code-debug-test methodology - nothing more but this is no small task. > > - There is always enough place left in the personal works for experimenting and understanding the more advanced and stimulating > programming concepts - generally going with advanced language features and many other external concepts to be acquired and mastered > too don't forget about it. > > Finally I just reread some formal introductory material to CS which is related to many current Programming languages including books > about formal language independant maths and algorithms design while others were based on a specific language like BASIC, PASCAL, > VB, LOGO, JAVA, Lisp, SCHEME and C++. > > I also found many excellent tutorials about CS and programming using Java, LOGO, Python and Scheme (Dr.Scheme). > > And today I found some text relating the interesting arguments that could help teachers better sell REBOL as their candidate for > teaching CS to youngsters in schools. The complete text with its reference is enclosed in the attached segment of the original text > that was of interest to me in this context. > > If you want to comment this text as a basis to establish where REBOL fails in some way to their arguments - for getting the best > adaptation of a teaching programming language feel free to discuss it here. > > I'll also soon post here a first draft of my initial TOC and will require some comments from you all to help enhance it before
[REBOL] Re: ANN: RebDB Pseudo-Relational Database
Hi YekSoon, > Is there a way to mix select and order clause in the db-select statement? Ah, not sure what you're asking here, but if you want to use multiple refinements then that's OK: db-select/where/order/desc [date id] my-table [id < 5] id or, if you want to change the order in which they are provided, that's fine too: db-select/desc/order/where [date id] my-table id [id < 5] If that doesn't answer the question, please provide an example of the usage you are attempting. Thanks for taking the time to read the doco! ;) Regards, Ashley -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Test Ping
it is up however rebol.com's net-block is blacklisted in spews your ISP is most likely discarding everything from the list as spam I had to have my schools sysadmins specifically whitelist rebol.com On rebol-view I discussed it with Carl in All a few days ago the spews listing that is affecting the list is. http://www.spews.org/html/S2908.html Carl has contacted his ISP but I think for all intents and purposes the mail-list is SOL if your ISP happens to be using the blacklists. On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Ammon Johnson wrote: > Testing... > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. > -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
