[REBOL] Re: [Rebol/View dll] BgColor not work

2004-03-25 Thread Josh Mitts

You need the beta-3 plugin codebase URL, which is:

http://www.rebol.com/plugin/rebolb3.cab#Version=0,3,0,0

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Subject: [REBOL] [Rebol/View dll] BgColor not work

anyone get the BgColor param working, the 
following:


http://www.rebol.com/downloads/plug
in/rebolplugin.cab#Version=0,3,0

,0"
WIDTH="200" HEIGHT="700">
 



with a view form with the backcolor set to 
navy and the html body set to navy produces 
the image in the attached gif, i.e. plain 
white backgroun in the parts of the plugin 
not covered by my
form.


-- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis --
-- Type: image/gif
-- File: searchbar.gif


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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/ View dll do-browser crashing browser

2004-03-22 Thread bry
Yes I do have the evaluate function.

 I was replacing browse with do-browser so 
that I could pass up code to the html page 
to load the page in the _main browser 
window. The search bar, which you see when 
you click on the search button on your 
browsers chrome, is in a window named 
_search, so if you want to open a page in 
the main window that called the search 
window you have to have the following:

window.open(url,"_main");


anyway I really don't understand how do-
browser should be affecting this, I mean 
that do-browser should only be called when I 
click on a button in the rebol view form. 

yet nonetheless if I start that page I get 
the errors outlined on loading the page, yet 
as also noted these errors are not 100% of 
the time, but around 70%. The most logical 
thing would be a memory leak somewhere, but 
my system doesn't seem to be using any 
excessive resources. 


> Hello! Two questions:
> 
> 1) Do you have the evaluate function in 
your HTML page code?
> 2) Why are you replacing browser with do-
browser? browse still works
> great for launching the web browser.
> 
> Josh
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:rebol-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 7:12 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [REBOL] Rebol/ View dll do-
browser crashing browser
> 
> Hi, I was adapting Kevin Adams search2.r 
to 
> be a searchbar in explorer, pretty much I 
> just went through and replaced browse/only 
> with do-browser some extra joins, it works 
> only, not very often, about 70% of the 
time 
> it crashes the browser, if the browser 
opens 
> with the searchbar window open it crashes 
as 
> well basically if the searchbar crashes 
the 
> browser once, it will restart about 3-4 
> times before it stops crashing. 
> 
> I sort of find that annoying. 
> 
> now it was completely fine before I added 
in 
> do-browser, only then of course every time 
I 
> did a search and clicked on the button it 
> opened a new browser instance. So I assume 
> it has to be do-browser, only as one can 
see 
> from the code here do-browser is also 
called 
> by buttons being pushed:
> 
> 
> about: layout [ 
>  backdrop 219.219.219
>  h1 "Search Center" 28.52.86
>  text "Version 1.2.0"
>  text "written by Kevin Adams, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
>  button "okay" [unview] 70x20 effect 
> [gradient 0.0.0] 
> ] 
> 
> win1: layout/size [ 
> backdrop 219.219.219
> h1 "Search Center" 28.52.86
> guide
> pad 20
> button "Section  One" [panels/pane: 
> panel1  show panels] 85x20 effect 
> 
> [gradient 0.0.0] 
> button "Section  Two" [panels/pane: 
> panel2  show panels] 85x20 effect 
> 
> [gradient 0.0.0] 
> button "About" [view/new center-face 
> about] 85x20 effect [gradient 0.0.0] 
> button "Quit" [quit] 85x20 effect 
> [gradient 0.0.0] 
> return
> box 2x270 28.52.86
> return
> panels: box 180x280
> ] 350x350 
> 
> panel1: layout [ 
> backdrop 219.219.219
> across
> 
> h2 "Dictionary Search" 28.52.86
> return
> 
> word_to_lookup2: field 120 [ 
>  ] 
>  button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 
> 0.0.0] [ 
> do-browser join "go('" 
join 
> 
> [http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary "?
> book=dictionary&va=" 
> 
> word_to_lookup2/text] "')"
> 
> ]
> 
> return
> h2 "Google Search" 28.52.86
> return
> 
> word_to_lookup3: field 120 [ 
> ] 
> button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 0.0.0] 
[ 
> do-browser join "go('" join 
> ["http://www.google.com/search?q="; 
> 
> 
word_to_lookup3/text "&btnG=Google+Search"] "
> ')"
> ]
> 
> return
> h2 "Yahoo Search" 28.52.86
> return
> 
> word_to_lookup6: field 120 [ 
> ] 
> button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 0.0.0] 
[ 
> do-browser join "go('" join  
> ["http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p="; 
> 
> word_to_lookup6/text ] "')"
> ]
> 
> return
> h2 "Slashdot Search" 28.52.86
> return
> 
> word_to_lookup1: field 120 [ 
> ] 
> button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 0.0.0] 
[ 
>do-browser join "go('" join  
> 
> ["http://slashdot.org/search.pl?
> query="word_to_lookup1/text ] "')"
> ]
> 
> ]
> 
> panel2: layout [
> backdrop 219.219.219
> across
> 
> return
> h2 "Image Search" 28.52.86
> return
> 
> word_to_lookup4: field 120 [ 
> ] 
> button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 0.0.0] 
[ 
> do-browser join "go('" join 
> 
> ["http://images.google.com/images?
num=20&q=" 
> word_to_lookup4/text 
> 
> "&btnG=Google+Search"] "')"
> ]
> 
> return
> h2 "Usenet Search" 28.52.86
> return
> 
> word_to_lookup5: field 120 [ 
> ] 
> button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 0.0.0] 
[ 
>do-browser join "go('" join  
> ["http://groups.google.com/groups?q="; 
> 
> 
word_to_lookup5/text "&hl=&btnG=Google+Search
> "] "')"
> ]
> 
> return
> h2 "eBay Search" 28.52.86
> return
> 
> word_to_lookup7: field 120 [ 
> ] 
> button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 
0.0.0]  
> [ 
>do-browser join "go('" join

[REBOL] Re: Rebol/ View dll do-browser crashing browser

2004-03-22 Thread Josh Mitts

Hello! Two questions:

1) Do you have the evaluate function in your HTML page code?
2) Why are you replacing browser with do-browser? browse still works
great for launching the web browser.

Josh

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Subject: [REBOL] Rebol/ View dll do-browser crashing browser

Hi, I was adapting Kevin Adams search2.r to 
be a searchbar in explorer, pretty much I 
just went through and replaced browse/only 
with do-browser some extra joins, it works 
only, not very often, about 70% of the time 
it crashes the browser, if the browser opens 
with the searchbar window open it crashes as 
well basically if the searchbar crashes the 
browser once, it will restart about 3-4 
times before it stops crashing. 

I sort of find that annoying. 

now it was completely fine before I added in 
do-browser, only then of course every time I 
did a search and clicked on the button it 
opened a new browser instance. So I assume 
it has to be do-browser, only as one can see 
from the code here do-browser is also called 
by buttons being pushed:


about: layout [ 
 backdrop 219.219.219
 h1 "Search Center" 28.52.86
 text "Version 1.2.0"
 text "written by Kevin Adams, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
 button "okay" [unview] 70x20 effect 
[gradient 0.0.0] 
] 

win1: layout/size [ 
backdrop 219.219.219
h1 "Search Center" 28.52.86
guide
pad 20
button "Section  One" [panels/pane: 
panel1  show panels] 85x20 effect 

[gradient 0.0.0] 
button "Section  Two" [panels/pane: 
panel2  show panels] 85x20 effect 

[gradient 0.0.0] 
button "About" [view/new center-face 
about] 85x20 effect [gradient 0.0.0] 
button "Quit" [quit] 85x20 effect 
[gradient 0.0.0] 
return
box 2x270 28.52.86
return
panels: box 180x280
] 350x350 

panel1: layout [ 
backdrop 219.219.219
across

h2 "Dictionary Search" 28.52.86
return

word_to_lookup2: field 120 [ 
 ] 
 button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 
0.0.0] [ 
do-browser join "go('" join 

[http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary "?
book=dictionary&va=" 

word_to_lookup2/text] "')"

]

return
h2 "Google Search" 28.52.86
return

word_to_lookup3: field 120 [ 
] 
button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 0.0.0] [ 
do-browser join "go('" join 
["http://www.google.com/search?q="; 

word_to_lookup3/text "&btnG=Google+Search"] "
')"
]

return
h2 "Yahoo Search" 28.52.86
return

word_to_lookup6: field 120 [ 
] 
button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 0.0.0] [ 
do-browser join "go('" join  
["http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p="; 

word_to_lookup6/text ] "')"
]

return
h2 "Slashdot Search" 28.52.86
return

word_to_lookup1: field 120 [ 
] 
button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 0.0.0] [ 
   do-browser join "go('" join  

["http://slashdot.org/search.pl?
query="word_to_lookup1/text ] "')"
]

]

panel2: layout [
backdrop 219.219.219
across

return
h2 "Image Search" 28.52.86
return

word_to_lookup4: field 120 [ 
] 
button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 0.0.0] [ 
do-browser join "go('" join 

["http://images.google.com/images?num=20&q="; 
word_to_lookup4/text 

"&btnG=Google+Search"] "')"
]

return
h2 "Usenet Search" 28.52.86
return

word_to_lookup5: field 120 [ 
] 
button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 0.0.0] [ 
   do-browser join "go('" join  
["http://groups.google.com/groups?q="; 

word_to_lookup5/text "&hl=&btnG=Google+Search
"] "')"
]

return
h2 "eBay Search" 28.52.86
return

word_to_lookup7: field 120 [ 
] 
button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 0.0.0]  
[ 
   do-browser join "go('" join 

["http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?
MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&Sor

tProperty=MetaEndSort&query=" 
word_to_lookup7/text "&x=-567&y=-92"] "')"
]

return
h2 "Stock Quote" 28.52.86
return

word_to_lookup8: field 120 [ 
] 
button "Go" 30 effect [gradient 0.0.0] [ 
do-browser join "go('" join 
["http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s="; 

word_to_lookup8/text "&d=v3"] "')"
]

]

panel1/offset: 0x0
panel2/offset: 0x0

panels/pane: panel1

view center-face win1  



'go' is just a function in my javascript, as 
follows:
function go(url){

window.open(url,"_main","");

}

to get it to open in the new browser window. 

The helpful IE error message is:

---
iexplore.exe - Application Error
---
The instruction at "0x77fcb007" referenced 
memory at "0x00650070". The memory could not 
be "written".


Click on OK to terminate the program
---
OK   
---





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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/ View dll do-browser crashing browser

2004-03-21 Thread bry
here's one of the error reports I've had on 
this: 
Description:
The description for Event ID ( 1000 ) in 
Source ( Microsoft Internet Explorer ) 
cannot be found. The local computer may not 
have the necessary registry information or 
message DLL files to display messages from a 
remote computer. The following information 
is part of the event: iexplore.exe; 
6.0.2600.0; ntdll.dll; 5.0.2163.1; 0004b007.

Data
bytes:
: 41 70 70 6c 69 63 61 74   Applicat
0008: 69 6f 6e 20 46 61 69 6c   ion Fail
0010: 75 72 65 20 20 69 65 78   ure  iex
0018: 70 6c 6f 72 65 2e 65 78   plore.ex
0020: 65 20 36 2e 30 2e 32 36   e 6.0.26
0028: 30 30 2e 30 20 69 6e 20   00.0 in 
0030: 6e 74 64 6c 6c 2e 64 6c   ntdll.dl
0038: 6c 20 35 2e 30 2e 32 31   l 5.0.21
0040: 36 33 2e 31 20 61 74 20   63.1 at 
0048: 6f 66 66 73 65 74 20 30   offset 0
0050: 30 30 34 62 30 30 37 0d   004b007.
0058: 0a.   

words:
: 6c707041 74616369 206e6f69 6c696146
0010: 20657275 78656920 726f6c70 78652e65
0020: 2e362065 36322e30 302e3030 206e6920
0030: 6c64746e 6c642e6c 2e35206c 31322e30
0040: 312e3336 20746120 736f 30207465
0050: 62343030 0d373030 0a

you will notice that viewdll is not 
mentioned in the error, this is when the 
error occurs with the html page hosting view 
dll as a searchbar (if you want to check 
this out run the code shown earlier as an .r 
file referenced via an object from the html 
page, and load the html page into your 
searchbar by changing the following registry 
settings 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Interne
t Explorer\Search\CustomizeSearch and 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Interne
t Explorer\Search\SearchAssistant) to refer 
to the html page using the file:/// protocol

however if I load that same html page 
directly into the browser, and run a query 
it works, but if I then try to use the back 
button to go back to the preceding page 
hosting the Rebol dll I get the following:

Description:
The description for Event ID ( 1000 ) in 
Source ( Microsoft Internet Explorer ) 
cannot be found. The local computer may not 
have the necessary registry information or 
message DLL files to display messages from a 
remote computer. The following information 
is part of the event: iexplore.exe; 
6.0.2600.0; viewdll.dll; 0.0.0.0; 0001cd00.

Data
bytes:
: 41 70 70 6c 69 63 61 74   Applicat
0008: 69 6f 6e 20 46 61 69 6c   ion Fail
0010: 75 72 65 20 20 69 65 78   ure  iex
0018: 70 6c 6f 72 65 2e 65 78   plore.ex
0020: 65 20 36 2e 30 2e 32 36   e 6.0.26
0028: 30 30 2e 30 20 69 6e 20   00.0 in 
0030: 76 69 65 77 64 6c 6c 2e   viewdll.
0038: 64 6c 6c 20 30 2e 30 2e   dll 0.0.
0040: 30 2e 30 20 61 74 20 6f   0.0 at o
0048: 66 66 73 65 74 20 30 30   ffset 00
0050: 30 31 63 64 30 30 0d 0a   01cd00..

words:
: 6c707041 74616369 206e6f69 6c696146
0010: 20657275 78656920 726f6c70 78652e65
0020: 2e362065 36322e30 302e3030 206e6920
0030: 77656976 2e6c6c64 206c6c64 2e302e30
0040: 20302e30 6f207461 6573 30302074
0050: 64633130 0a0d3030 

So I think it is clear that the error is in 
fact running from View dll.


Any ideas? suggestions?



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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View dll errors with file location

2004-03-19 Thread bry
thanks, although it's not that big of an 
issue now that I found out how to do a 
direct path in the LaunchUrl param. The fact 
that it tried to put /C/ at the front of any 
exact path threw me cause I was of course 
putting /C/ at the front of my path. 
> 
> Thanks, this is a definite bug with the 
file:// protocol. It's on the
> fix list.
> 
> Josh
> 
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> Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 3:39 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [REBOL] Rebol/View dll errors 
with file location
> 
> okay I have an interesting bug in the 
> plugin: I found this out cause I'm 
building 
> an explorer button, the button loads a 
html 
> page in IE's _search window using the 
> file:// protocol, so it refers to 
> file:///c:/winnt/web/toolbar.html?
location=a 
> string here; now if a string here is some 
> normal string like howdy everything is 
fine 
> but if it is an actual http:// path that 
> causes a real problem, causing the 
> Rebol/View dll shell to open up and ask me 
> to enter desktop :)
> 
> so doing some more experimenting I 
stripped 
> out the actual protocol part of my http 
path 
> and got the following:
> 
> ** Access Error: Cannot 
> open /C/WINNT/Web/testbar.html?
> 
location=localhost/sites/mmc_dotnet/testbar.r
> ** Near: do/args script system/script/args
> quit
> >>
> 
> I think if there is going to be working 
with 
> files in the browser environment which 
will 
> accept a file opened with the file 
protocol 
> with this syntax then  there should 
probably 
> be better handling of the conversion to 
> rebol path before an attempt is made to 
open 
> it.
> 
> Haven't tested but I wonder what the 
result 
> would be with a http url with the same 
> structure:
> 
> http://pathname?
> querystring=http://otherpathname
> 
> 
> 
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View dll errors with file location

2004-03-19 Thread Josh Mitts

Thanks, this is a definite bug with the file:// protocol. It's on the
fix list.

Josh

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Subject: [REBOL] Rebol/View dll errors with file location

okay I have an interesting bug in the 
plugin: I found this out cause I'm building 
an explorer button, the button loads a html 
page in IE's _search window using the 
file:// protocol, so it refers to 
file:///c:/winnt/web/toolbar.html?location=a 
string here; now if a string here is some 
normal string like howdy everything is fine 
but if it is an actual http:// path that 
causes a real problem, causing the 
Rebol/View dll shell to open up and ask me 
to enter desktop :)

so doing some more experimenting I stripped 
out the actual protocol part of my http path 
and got the following:

** Access Error: Cannot 
open /C/WINNT/Web/testbar.html?
location=localhost/sites/mmc_dotnet/testbar.r
** Near: do/args script system/script/args
quit
>>

I think if there is going to be working with 
files in the browser environment which will 
accept a file opened with the file protocol 
with this syntax then  there should probably 
be better handling of the conversion to 
rebol path before an attempt is made to open 
it.

Haven't tested but I wonder what the result 
would be with a http url with the same 
structure:

http://pathname?
querystring=http://otherpathname




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[REBOL] Re: Rebol View Distributed Desktop?

2004-03-12 Thread Gabriele Santilli

Hi Izkata,

On Thursday, March 11, 2004, 10:57:26 PM, you wrote:

>> Isn't it easier to just download the source?
>>
>> http://www.rebol.com/downloads/viewtop1200.zip

I> Certainly.  Except I didn't know that that existed...

"The  Desktop  is  now  Open  Source" means that the source can be
downloaded  somewhere... :-) You'll find it if you go to rebol.com
and then News.

http://www.rebol.com/news3610.html

Regards,
   Gabriele.
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol View Distributed Desktop?

2004-03-11 Thread Izkata

> Isn't it easier to just download the source?
>
> http://www.rebol.com/downloads/viewtop1200.zip

Certainly.  Except I didn't know that that existed...


=^þ


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[REBOL] Re: Rebol View Distributed Desktop?

2004-03-11 Thread Gabriele Santilli

Hi Anton,

On Wednesday, March 10, 2004, 2:46:36 PM, you wrote:

AR> If you start directly in console, then this
AR> also should give you the code in reasonable time:

AR> write clipboard:// mold context ctx-viewtop

Isn't it easier to just download the source?

http://www.rebol.com/downloads/viewtop1200.zip

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol View Distributed Desktop?

2004-03-10 Thread Anton Rolls

I see the crash too now.
I'll have to report that, if it isn't reported
already.
But it only seems to happen after actually
using the Desktop (ie. if you start desktop
automatically on startup).

If you start directly in console, then this
also should give you the code in reasonable time:

write clipboard:// mold context ctx-viewtop

Anton.

> > So by "freezing",
> > I assume you mean "deep in thought".
> 
> I'm not entirely sure... Maybe it's working and I'm just
> impatient, but after a while, I pressed CTRL + ALR + DEL
> and it was marked Not Responding, and was using about
> 50% of the system resources...
> 
> > So open a console, and do this:
> > 
> > write clipboard:// mold ctx-viewtop
> 
> I got the same thing here.. (freezes)
> 
> On second thought, disabling "Load Desktop on Startup"
> left it as a block, so writing it to a file was no problem.

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol View Distributed Desktop?

2004-03-10 Thread Izkata

> So by "freezing",
> I assume you mean "deep in thought".

I'm not entirely sure... Maybe it's working and I'm just
impatient, but after a while, I pressed CTRL + ALR + DEL
and it was marked Not Responding, and was using about
50% of the system resources...

> So open a console, and do this:
> 
> write clipboard:// mold ctx-viewtop

I got the same thing here.. (freezes)

On second thought, disabling "Load Desktop on Startup"
left it as a block, so writing it to a file was no problem.

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol View Distributed Desktop?

2004-03-09 Thread Anton Rolls

ctx-viewtop starts out life as a block, quite short.
When you use the desktop for the first time, it
is converted to an object! This object molds to a much
longer string than the original block. So by "freezing",
I assume you mean "deep in thought".

So open a console, and do this:

write clipboard:// mold ctx-viewtop

Then you can open an editor and paste into a new
document, which you can easily make into a script
which sets ctx-viewtop, so you can experiment with the
code.

Anton.

> Oh, yeah - Rebol freezes whenever I use "? ctx-viewtop"
> to see what it contains, so I don't see a way to see it's source.
>
> Well... Adios for now!   =^þ

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol View Distributed Desktop?

2004-03-09 Thread Izkata

> I seem to remember that Rebol View Desktop
> was opened up a while back, so that it was
> possible to customize the desktop (by which
> I mean more than just adding colors etc.) is
> there any documentation on this
> anywhere?

I don't know if there was any documentation, but since
the command "desktop" opens it up,  I checked to see
if is was a function/native/whatever.  It's a function that
loads a certain object called "ctx-viewtop".  Why not
mess with that and see what you can come up with?

Oh, yeah - Rebol freezes whenever I use "? ctx-viewtop"
to see what it contains, so I don't see a way to see it's source.

Well... Adios for now!   =^þ


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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-30 Thread Gregg Irwin

AC> use guest and guest as password/go to accounts and tell them your
AC> user name/the password you want to use/it will be mailed to you
AC> and once you login you can change the password.

To clarify, there is no GUEST account on the REBOL-View world at this
time, but there is one on the REBOL world. You can go to the
View-Update group there to let us know you'd like an account.

-- Gregg 

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-30 Thread patrick.philipot

Quite informative,

Thanks Gérard

- Original Message - 
From: "Gerard Cote" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3


>
> Hi Patrick,
>
> Here is one place I look at to keep me informed about View 1.3 dev
status - since  don't have time enough to invest in any other
> discussion. While this time I use it as much as I can as my current
testing tool - even while learning basic things. Just to see
> anything follows the already documented and established old rules - if
this must be so ...
>
> http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/projects/track.r
>
> Regards,
> Gerard
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gabriele Santilli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:12 AM
> Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3
>
>
> >
> > Hi Patrick,
> >
> > On Friday, January 30, 2004, 8:52:11 AM, you wrote:
> >
> > ppln> I am optimistic... and frustrated. It's like people you know
having a party
> > ppln> next door and not telling you.
> >
> > It  has  been  announced here on the list. And all the discussions
> > are  on  the  web  too, so you don't need to use AltME if you just
> > want to follow.
> >
> > Regards,
> >Gabriele.
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-30 Thread Gabriele Santilli

Hi Jason,

On Friday, January 30, 2004, 12:46:23 PM, you wrote:

JC> hmm -- btw, What's her name ?

Lisa Simpson?

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Regards,
   Gabriele.
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-30 Thread Gerard Cote

Hi Patrick,

Here is one place I look at to keep me informed about View 1.3 dev status - since  
don't have time enough to invest in any other
discussion. While this time I use it as much as I can as my current testing tool - 
even while learning basic things. Just to see
anything follows the already documented and established old rules - if this must be so 
...

http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/projects/track.r

Regards,
Gerard
- Original Message -
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To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:12 AM
Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3


>
> Hi Patrick,
>
> On Friday, January 30, 2004, 8:52:11 AM, you wrote:
>
> ppln> I am optimistic... and frustrated. It's like people you know having a party
> ppln> next door and not telling you.
>
> It  has  been  announced here on the list. And all the discussions
> are  on  the  web  too, so you don't need to use AltME if you just
> want to follow.
>
> Regards,
>Gabriele.
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-30 Thread Jason Cunliffe

> Hey! don't push too hard, or I may tell you who is President of the United
> States in 2024... ;^)

hmm -- btw, What's her name ?
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-30 Thread patrick.philipot

Hi Gabriele,

Weblog are very difficult to read. For example, I have seen somewhere
something about a view-feel.r file. It is quite a miracle, that I have found
elsewhere where to download it. And I haven't still found what to do about
it.

Ciao
Patrick


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Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:12 AM
Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3


>
> Hi Patrick,
>
> On Friday, January 30, 2004, 8:52:11 AM, you wrote:
>
> ppln> I am optimistic... and frustrated. It's like people you know having
a party
> ppln> next door and not telling you.
>
> It  has  been  announced here on the list. And all the discussions
> are  on  the  web  too, so you don't need to use AltME if you just
> want to follow.
>
> Regards,
>Gabriele.
> -- 
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-30 Thread Gabriele Santilli

Hi Patrick,

On Friday, January 30, 2004, 8:52:11 AM, you wrote:

ppln> I am optimistic... and frustrated. It's like people you know having a party
ppln> next door and not telling you.

It  has  been  announced here on the list. And all the discussions
are  on  the  web  too, so you don't need to use AltME if you just
want to follow.

Regards,
   Gabriele.
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-30 Thread Alan Crandall

none
none=== Original Message ===
none
none
noneHi Gregg,
none
noneI have try to log as a guest, but a password is required that I don't 
nonehave.

use guest and guest as password/go to accounts and tell them your user name/the 
password you want to use/it will be mailed to you and once you login you can change 
the password.This was send via Phil B. mailreader.r 
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-30 Thread patrick.philipot

Hi Pekr,

I am optimistic... and frustrated. It's like people you know having a party
next door and not telling you.
I'am eager to get my fingers on View 1.3.

Regards
Patrick



- Original Message - 
From: "Petr Krenzelok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:17 PM
Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3


>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >Hi List,
> >
> >A lot of things are going on in the Rebol world, and the list is barely
aware of it.
> >I have discovered recently http://www.rebol.net/projects/view1.3/.
> >
> >Every thing seems to be on AltME now, whith very little echo here and the
weblog is very difficult to read.
> >
> >I feel a bit frustrated with all this. Isn't it possible, even for
someone like me that do not have to skills to participate actively to the
project, to be a little more aware of what is going on?
> >
> >Is it possible to visit your AltME world as a guest?
> >
> >All I can do is to download and use every View release.
> >
> >Regards
> >Patrick
> >
> >
> Patrick - noone wants to prevent anyone from joining? In fact, IIRC,
> Carl openly invited everyone to participate - just contact Gregg, ask
> him for account and you are in! You should be glad View 1.3 is coming to
> its life nicely, and be a bit more optimistic :-)
>
> -pekr-
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-30 Thread patrick.philipot

Hi Gregg,

I have try to log as a guest, but a password is required that I don't have.

Regards
Patrick

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From: "Gregg Irwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:09 PM
Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3


> 
> Hi Patrick,
> 
> ppln> A lot of things are going on in the Rebol world, and the list is
> ppln> barely aware of it. 
> ppln> I have discovered recently http://www.rebol.net/projects/view1.3/.
> 
> ppln> Every thing seems to be on AltME now, whith very little echo
> ppln> here and the weblog is very difficult to read.
> 
> My take is that RT wanted the community involved, but in an
> "experimental" way. They also needed a good, controlled, communication
> mechanism, which AltME is. I don't think their intent was to exclude
> anyone who wanted to be involved, but it wouldn't work, as a first
> time experiment, to have hundreds of people involved either.
> 
> ppln> Isn't it possible, even for someone like me that do not have to
> ppln> skills to participate actively to the project, to be a little
> ppln> more aware of what is going on?
> 
> Everyone can help, especially with testing. RT may not be pushing hard
> for lots of public input yet because some things are still in flux and
> you know how people can be when the thing they want doesn't get on the
> list, or is pulled from the release. :)
> 
> ppln> Is it possible to visit your AltME world as a guest?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> -- Gregg 
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-30 Thread patrick.philipot

Hey! don't push too hard, or I may tell you who is Predident of the United
States in 2024... ;^)

Patrick




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Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3


>
> Hallvard:
> > Interresting link. Thanks. And a special greeting to Philippe Oehler,
who
> > seems to have been discussing rebol matters since 1980...  hehe.
>
> And a special tip of the hat to Patrick who's posting from way in the
future:
> http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-month-index.r?month=202406
>
> :-)
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-29 Thread SunandaDH

Hallvard:
> Interresting link. Thanks. And a special greeting to Philippe Oehler, who 
> seems to have been discussing rebol matters since 1980...  hehe.

And a special tip of the hat to Patrick who's posting from way in the future:
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-month-index.r?month=202406

:-)
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-29 Thread Hallvard Ystad

Dixit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (20.52 29.01.2004):

>MAx
>
>> things on this list sure have toned down recently... mainly because so much 
>> effort is being put on vid 1.3.
>
>It's up (at least in terms of message volume) on 2002, so far. But way down 
>on 2002:
>
>http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-date-index.r

Interresting link. Thanks. And a special greeting to Philippe Oehler, who seems to 
have been discussing rebol matters since 1980...  hehe.

HY

Prætera censeo Carthaginem esse delendam


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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-29 Thread SunandaDH

MAx

> things on this list sure have toned down recently... mainly because so much 
> effort is being put on vid 1.3.

It's up (at least in terms of message volume) on 2002, so far. But way down 
on 2002:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-date-index.r

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-29 Thread Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch

I don't know how you guys manage to find and put all that time into it.

I really would like to participate, but I really don't have enough time each day to 
follow so many threads and discussions.

I'm happy that many in the community are participating.

things on this list sure have toned down recently... mainly because so much effort is 
being put on vid 1.3.


-MAx
---
"You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution, but in the end, being 
part of the problem is much more fun."
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Gregg Irwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:10 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Patrick,
> 
> ppln> A lot of things are going on in the Rebol world, and the list is
> ppln> barely aware of it. 
> ppln> I have discovered recently 
> http://www.rebol.net/projects/view1.3/.
> 
> ppln> Every thing seems to be on AltME now, whith very little echo
> ppln> here and the weblog is very difficult to read.
> 
> My take is that RT wanted the community involved, but in an
> "experimental" way. They also needed a good, controlled, communication
> mechanism, which AltME is. I don't think their intent was to exclude
> anyone who wanted to be involved, but it wouldn't work, as a first
> time experiment, to have hundreds of people involved either.
> 
> ppln> Isn't it possible, even for someone like me that do not have to
> ppln> skills to participate actively to the project, to be a little
> ppln> more aware of what is going on?
> 
> Everyone can help, especially with testing. RT may not be pushing hard
> for lots of public input yet because some things are still in flux and
> you know how people can be when the thing they want doesn't get on the
> list, or is pulled from the release. :)
> 
> ppln> Is it possible to visit your AltME world as a guest?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> -- Gregg 
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-29 Thread Graham Chiu
Petr Krenzelok  wrote.. apparently on 29-Jan-2004/19:17:53+1:00

>Patrick - noone wants to prevent anyone from joining? In fact, IIRC, 
>Carl openly invited everyone to participate - just contact Gregg, ask 
>him for account and you are in! You should be glad View 1.3 is coming to 
>its life nicely, and be a bit more optimistic :-)

Why don't one of the world masters create a guest account?

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-29 Thread Gregg Irwin

Hi Patrick,

ppln> A lot of things are going on in the Rebol world, and the list is
ppln> barely aware of it. 
ppln> I have discovered recently http://www.rebol.net/projects/view1.3/.

ppln> Every thing seems to be on AltME now, whith very little echo
ppln> here and the weblog is very difficult to read.

My take is that RT wanted the community involved, but in an
"experimental" way. They also needed a good, controlled, communication
mechanism, which AltME is. I don't think their intent was to exclude
anyone who wanted to be involved, but it wouldn't work, as a first
time experiment, to have hundreds of people involved either.

ppln> Isn't it possible, even for someone like me that do not have to
ppln> skills to participate actively to the project, to be a little
ppln> more aware of what is going on?

Everyone can help, especially with testing. RT may not be pushing hard
for lots of public input yet because some things are still in flux and
you know how people can be when the thing they want doesn't get on the
list, or is pulled from the release. :)

ppln> Is it possible to visit your AltME world as a guest?

Yes.

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3

2004-01-29 Thread Petr Krenzelok

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Hi List,
>
>A lot of things are going on in the Rebol world, and the list is barely aware of it. 
>I have discovered recently http://www.rebol.net/projects/view1.3/.
>
>Every thing seems to be on AltME now, whith very little echo here and the weblog is 
>very difficult to read.
>
>I feel a bit frustrated with all this. Isn't it possible, even for someone like me 
>that do not have to skills to participate actively to the project, to be a little 
>more aware of what is going on?
>
>Is it possible to visit your AltME world as a guest?
>
>All I can do is to download and use every View release.
>
>Regards
>Patrick
>  
>
Patrick - noone wants to prevent anyone from joining? In fact, IIRC, 
Carl openly invited everyone to participate - just contact Gregg, ask 
him for account and you are in! You should be glad View 1.3 is coming to 
its life nicely, and be a bit more optimistic :-)

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3 - invalid word datatype

2003-12-25 Thread Anton Rolls

Well, I would assume you would catch the error,
and then try to apply your own parse rules.
You would have to try to split paths up, then
reapply the load/catch/try-to-parse cycle on the
pieces.

Or your code could avoid path notation altogether,
using pick, eg. pick d i._x
then you don't have to recursively apply parse
rules on pieces of a path.

Anton.

> >>> to word! "whatever you wish"
> GS> == whatever you wish
> >>> to word! "1,4"
> GS> == 1,4
> >>> to word! "fun(call, me, args)"
> GS> == fun(call, me, args)
> 
> It's interesting, but how to use it? If you put load (or load/next) it
> would throw the error anyway:(

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3 - invalid word datatype

2003-12-24 Thread rebOldes

Hello Gabriele,

Thursday, December 18, 2003, 10:42:33 AM, you wrote:


GS> Hi rebOldes,

GS> On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 6:09:34 PM, you wrote:

r>> I can, but it's much more slower and it would mean to make it
r>> completely again. Maybe I could use load/next but how to convert
r>> invalid word to word?

>>> to word! "whatever you wish"
GS> == whatever you wish
>>> to word! "1,4"
GS> == 1,4
>>> to word! "fun(call, me, args)"
GS> == fun(call, me, args)

It's interesting, but how to use it? If you put load (or load/next) it
would throw the error anyway:(

>> x: "1 2 3"
== "1 2 3"
>> while [not empty? x][
[ set [y x] load/next x
[ print [mold y mold x]
[]
1 " 2 3"
2 " 3"
3 ""
>>
>> x: "1 2 a,b,c 3 4 d/:i._x"
== "1 2 a,b,c 3 4 d/:i._x"
>> while [not empty? x][
[ set [y x] load/next x
[ print [mold y mold x]
[]
1 " 2 a,b,c 3 4 d/:i._x"
2 " a,b,c 3 4 d/:i._x"
** Syntax Error: Invalid word -- a,b,c
** Near: (line 1) a,b,c 3 4 d/:i._x
>>


Anyway it would be useful only if the unknow! datatype would hold all
value which would cause the problem:
For example in:
>> load "d/1.item._x"
** Syntax Error: Invalid tuple -- 1.item._x
** Near: (line 1) d/1.item._x

Would return  'd/1.item._x' not only '1.item._x'


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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3 - invalid word datatype

2003-12-20 Thread rebOldes

Hello Gabriele,

Thursday, December 18, 2003, 10:42:33 AM, you wrote:


GS> Hi rebOldes,

GS> On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 6:09:34 PM, you wrote:

r>> I can, but it's much more slower and it would mean to make it
r>> completely again. Maybe I could use load/next but how to convert
r>> invalid word to word?

>>> to word! "whatever you wish"
GS> == whatever you wish
>>> to word! "1,4"
GS> == 1,4
>>> to word! "fun(call, me, args)"
GS> == fun(call, me, args)


Very interesting.
Thanks

GS> Regards,
GS>Gabriele.
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3 - invalid word datatype

2003-12-18 Thread Carl Read

On 18-Dec-03, Gabriele Santilli wrote:

> Hi rebOldes,

> On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 6:09:34 PM, you wrote:

>> I can, but it's much more slower and it would mean to make it
>> completely again. Maybe I could use load/next but how to convert
>> invalid word to word?

>>> to word! "whatever you wish"
> == whatever you wish
>>> to word! "1,4"
> == 1,4
>>> to word! "fun(call, me, args)"
> == fun(call, me, args)

Hm...

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3 - invalid word datatype

2003-12-18 Thread Gabriele Santilli

Hi rebOldes,

On Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 6:09:34 PM, you wrote:

r> I can, but it's much more slower and it would mean to make it
r> completely again. Maybe I could use load/next but how to convert
r> invalid word to word?

>> to word! "whatever you wish"
== whatever you wish
>> to word! "1,4"
== 1,4
>> to word! "fun(call, me, args)"
== fun(call, me, args)

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3 - invalid word datatype

2003-12-16 Thread rebOldes

Hello Carl,

Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 8:45:56 AM, you wrote:


CR> On 16-Dec-03, rebOldes wrote:

>> Hello Carl,

>> As you are preparing new build of Rebol, I would like to ask you, If
>> it would be possible to change somehow handling of "invalid
>> datatypes"

>> As I'm working on a probably the largest known dialect using Rebol -
>> the Rebol/Flash dialect ( http://oldes.multimedia.cz/swf/ ), I
>> still feel very limited because of impossibility to use some words.

>> For example I would like to have in my dialect code words like this
>> one:

 objects/1._x
>> ** Syntax Error: Invalid decimal -- 1._x
>> ** Near: (line 1) objects/1._x

>> As you can see, it's recognized as an invalid decimal. So here comes
>> the question. Would it be possible to change this behavior to
>> something which we could use? There were already some discussions on
>> mailing list about this issue months ago, but I still don't know
>> your opinion.

>> I think the best way would be to handle these 'invalid' words as a
>> special word which would not be able to hold some values but I would
>> be able to parse this word as a normal string.

>> If it will be a problem maybe it would help to use some refinement
>> in the 'load function not to throw these "invalid datatype" errors
>> and convert these "invalid datatypes".

>> If you would make this change, I would be able to make for example
>> functions as are known in other languages for example:

>> myFunc(a, 2, a + b)

>> because loading such a dialect would not throw error like:
 load [myFunc(a, 2, a + b)]
>> ** Syntax Error: Invalid word -- a,
>> ** Near: (line 1) load [myFunc(a, 2, a + b)]

CR> The problem would be that real errors wouldn't be caught.  Maybe we
CR> need a special type of block that would allow this?  (Which would
CR> require a new datatype - well, two new datatypes - the special block
CR> and an unknown! datatype.)

CR> Which is non-trivial I suspect.

unknown! is a good name. For me it would be enough if such a datatype
would be recognized during 'load function - so it seems not to be such
a problem to me. Now we have a name as well:)

CR> For your Flash dialect Oldes, have you thought about a two-pass
CR> approach?  The first pass would parse the file as a string,
CR> converting your myFunc(a, 2, a + b)s and so on to strings (or what
CR> datatypes or group of datatypes best suit them), with the second pass
CR> performing the main parse.

It's not a solution for something like objects/:i._x which I would
like to parse as _x possition of object i from array of objects.
Something what's not possible even in Rebol, but something, what could
be parsed in dialect easily if I would be able to load such a code.

Now I need to write:

tmp: objects/:i
tmp._x


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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3 - invalid word datatype

2003-12-16 Thread rebOldes

Hello Gabriele,

Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 10:35:37 AM, you wrote:


GS> Hi rebOldes,

GS> On Monday, December 15, 2003, 2:50:06 PM, you wrote:

r>> I think the best way would be to handle these 'invalid' words as a
r>> special word which would not be able to hold some values but I would
r>> be able to parse this word as a normal string.

GS> You  can use string parsing and then convert the strings to words.
GS> (You  could  even  just use LOAD/NEXT and then use To-WORD when an
GS> invalid word error occurs.)

I can, but it's much more slower and it would mean to make it
completely again. Maybe I could use load/next but how to convert
invalid word to word?

I would like to have at least special load refinement to convert
invalid words to something usable (strings are not the best solution,
because than I may have problem recognize if it was normal string or
just a variable which was not parsed as a normal datatype - that means
I would like to have something I what I call 'invalid datatype'

But it looks that i will have to wait a few years (if I would have a
luck a something will happen)

GS> Regards,
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3 - invalid word datatype

2003-12-16 Thread Gabriele Santilli

Hi rebOldes,

On Monday, December 15, 2003, 2:50:06 PM, you wrote:

r> I think the best way would be to handle these 'invalid' words as a
r> special word which would not be able to hold some values but I would
r> be able to parse this word as a normal string.

You  can use string parsing and then convert the strings to words.
(You  could  even  just use LOAD/NEXT and then use To-WORD when an
invalid word error occurs.)

Regards,
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.3 - invalid word datatype

2003-12-16 Thread Carl Read

On 16-Dec-03, rebOldes wrote:

> Hello Carl,

> As you are preparing new build of Rebol, I would like to ask you, If
> it would be possible to change somehow handling of "invalid
> datatypes"

> As I'm working on a probably the largest known dialect using Rebol -
> the Rebol/Flash dialect ( http://oldes.multimedia.cz/swf/ ), I
> still feel very limited because of impossibility to use some words.

> For example I would like to have in my dialect code words like this
> one:

>>> objects/1._x
> ** Syntax Error: Invalid decimal -- 1._x
> ** Near: (line 1) objects/1._x

> As you can see, it's recognized as an invalid decimal. So here comes
> the question. Would it be possible to change this behavior to
> something which we could use? There were already some discussions on
> mailing list about this issue months ago, but I still don't know
> your opinion.

> I think the best way would be to handle these 'invalid' words as a
> special word which would not be able to hold some values but I would
> be able to parse this word as a normal string.

> If it will be a problem maybe it would help to use some refinement
> in the 'load function not to throw these "invalid datatype" errors
> and convert these "invalid datatypes".

> If you would make this change, I would be able to make for example
> functions as are known in other languages for example:

> myFunc(a, 2, a + b)

> because loading such a dialect would not throw error like:
>>> load [myFunc(a, 2, a + b)]
> ** Syntax Error: Invalid word -- a,
> ** Near: (line 1) load [myFunc(a, 2, a + b)]

The problem would be that real errors wouldn't be caught.  Maybe we
need a special type of block that would allow this?  (Which would
require a new datatype - well, two new datatypes - the special block
and an unknown! datatype.)

Which is non-trivial I suspect.

For your Flash dialect Oldes, have you thought about a two-pass
approach?  The first pass would parse the file as a string,
converting your myFunc(a, 2, a + b)s and so on to strings (or what
datatypes or group of datatypes best suit them), with the second pass
performing the main parse.

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View for OS X

2003-10-11 Thread Rod Gaither

> did anyone get any news about that subject?

No, and interestingly enough I had put in a feedback
question on the topic a few days before this came up
on the list.  As a general question, and one that RT
may not want to answer since it concerns a product
delivery schedule, I was only hopeful, not expecting
a response on the topic.

> (AltMe homapage says they will have an OSX version "soon")

Now that does those stuck with Core a whole lot of good!

Rod.

> Will Arp
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>
> [5.6.2003 1:49 "Jussi Hagman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am wondering wether the release of REBOL/View for OS X (or even for 
>> OS
>> X with X11) is near? I and probably all other REBOL users who use OS X
>> have been waiting for it for a long time...
>>
>> I am ready to pay the /pro licence and probably quite many others too 
>> to
>> see REBOL/View on our platform. Hopefully things get better for us.
>
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View for OS X

2003-10-11 Thread Will Arp

Hello Jussi and all,

did anyone get any news about that subject?
(AltMe homapage says they will have an OSX version "soon")

Thanks!

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[5.6.2003 1:49 "Jussi Hagman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Hello,
> 
> I am wondering wether the release of REBOL/View for OS X (or even for OS
> X with X11) is near? I and probably all other REBOL users who use OS X
> have been waiting for it for a long time...
> 
> I am ready to pay the /pro licence and probably quite many others too to
> see REBOL/View on our platform. Hopefully things get better for us.

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View coming to OS X?

2003-10-09 Thread Rod Gaither

Hi Jussi,

>> Has anyone done any work on using Core with Cocoa
>> like the PyObjC or RubyCocoa projects?
>
> An intresting thought. No, I really have not even thought of it. Is it
> nowadays possible to call external libraries from Core? I do not really
> know how the Cocoa-bridges are done, but I doubt it would be easy to do
> with Core.

I agree it is likely to be difficult and think it isn't really
a good option.  I threw it out to see if anyone had
looked into it as a stop gap measure.  The other
scripting languages don't have a View option in the
first place so such extensions are a more natural fit.

>> I think what we need is for RT to get hooked on some nice
>> Apple hardware - either a new dual G5 :-) or a PowerBook.
>
> Haha, so if anyone at Apple is reading this, Steve himself perhaps, 
> just
> provide RT with some nice machines.

:-)

Rod.

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View coming to OS X?

2003-10-08 Thread Jussi Hagman

Quoting Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> I -want- a powerbook, but if final cut pro and rebol work fine enough,
> an ibook is all I need...

If I have n ot mistaken FCP needs a G4 that means that you need
currently can't use it on an iBook. Also doing video editing a bigger
screen or dualscreen is not a bad thing so probably iBook is a bit too
small for you in those respects.


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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View coming to OS X?

2003-10-08 Thread Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch


- Original Message -
From: "Jussi Hagman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:17 PM
Subject: [REBOL] Re: Rebol/View coming to OS X?

> > I've been using an iBook for over a year now, great little
> > laptop.  A bit underpowered for some work but a real
> > testament to the statement "it just works".
>
> Now when Panther has been announced I'll buy me a laptop. I am itching
> for a 12" or 15" pBook, but monetary reasons will probably force me into
> choosing an iBook.

I -want- a powerbook, but if final cut pro and rebol work fine enough, an ibook
is all I need... I already have 3 computers for processing, so fast is not
imperative... I'd use it for production client approvals and rebol programming
around the house... I mean, I often could put a little more time on my coding if
I could bring my computer around with me...  watching tv and programming is
doable... when my wife chooses the program...   ;-)

Ain't I lucky she's not on this list   8^D

Anyhow, I still wish rebol on apple was sooner rather than later...

-MAx

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View coming to OS X?

2003-10-08 Thread Jussi Hagman

Quoting Rod Gaither ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> I feel left out of much of what is going on in the REBOL world without
> it.

I share your feelings. I have not even had the interst in following too
much the list as lots of the discussion here revolves around /View and I
do not have a good way of running it, testing new /view code and so on.
Perhaps it could be possible on University's Linux over the net, but I
do not prefer it.

> Has anyone done any work on using Core with Cocoa
> like the PyObjC or RubyCocoa projects?

An intresting thought. No, I really have not even thought of it. Is it
nowadays possible to call external libraries from Core? I do not really
know how the Cocoa-bridges are done, but I doubt it would be easy to do
with Core.

An interesting idea indeed...

> I've been using an iBook for over a year now, great little
> laptop.  A bit underpowered for some work but a real
> testament to the statement "it just works".

Now when Panther has been announced I'll buy me a laptop. I am itching
for a 12" or 15" pBook, but monetary reasons will probably force me into
choosing an iBook.

> I think what we need is for RT to get hooked on some nice
> Apple hardware - either a new dual G5 :-) or a PowerBook.

Haha, so if anyone at Apple is reading this, Steve himself perhaps, just
provide RT with some nice machines. 


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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View coming to OS X?

2003-10-08 Thread Jussi Hagman

Quoting Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> I am waiting to buy an ibook... But because view isn't yet working on
> it... I can't.

Technically you could. :) Just install a Linux or OpenBSD on the iBook
and run Rebol/View for Linux/PPC. Obviously it is not the optimal
solution for some (most?) of us. 

> I wonder if apple's cocoa is going to be a tough competition on OS X.

Different tool fits different purposes. Cocoa is most often used with
Objective-C, although Java, Python and some others can be used. That
means compiling and linking. Some things just are more suited for
scripting languages. Especially when not equipped with a G5 and XCode,
which speeds up compiling and linking and provides some
change-code-while-program-is-running capability.

For some things Cocoa is great, for other things other are better.

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View coming to OS X?

2003-10-08 Thread Will Arp

Oh yea, I'm waiting too for os x /view /sdk /command

Please RT update us on development status!

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View coming to OS X?

2003-10-08 Thread Rod Gaither

Hi Max, Jussi,

I too am anxious to have View on OS X.  I feel left out of
much of what is going on in the REBOL world without it.

Has anyone done any work on using Core with Cocoa
like the PyObjC or RubyCocoa projects?

I have contented myself at this stage with Core and left
my View and SDK related projects on the back burner.

> I am waiting to buy an ibook... But because view isn't yet working on 
> it... I can't.

I've been using an iBook for over a year now, great little
laptop.  A bit underpowered for some work but a real
testament to the statement "it just works".

> everything I do is in rebol.  I've completely left all other 
> programming languages...
>
> I wonder if apple's cocoa is going to be a tough competition on OS X.

The developer tools on OS X are excellent and Cocoa is
a very impressive framework.  Still, if you left all other
programming languages for REBOL then I suspect there
will not be anything in Objective-C/Cocoa that will cause
you to leave it.  While well done and very powerful it is
still C with OOP extensions and some frameworks.

> My question is if the pro version will also be available for it.

I would think so, the rather dated February press release
talked about RT bringing the whole product suite to OS X.

I think what we need is for RT to get hooked on some nice
Apple hardware - either a new dual G5 :-) or a PowerBook.
Then they can't help but move OS X deliverables along on
the schedule.  If I wasn't saving my pennies for my own G5
purchase fund I would offer to contribute to an Apple fund
for RT.  :-)

Rod.

> -MAx
> ---
> "You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution, but in 
> the end, being part of the problem is much more fun."
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jussi Hagman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:36 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: [REBOL] Rebol/View coming to OS X?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> It would be nice if REBOL Technologies would comment whether
>> Rebol/View
>> (or other product with GUI-capabilities) will be released for Mac OS X
>> or not. According to the download page it is the only
>> 'pending' platform
>> and the status has not been changed in ages.
>>
>> February 2003 REBOL Technologies gave a press release[1] on this
>> subject. According to it the whole product portfolio will be ported to
>> OS X, but not much has been heard about it since.
>>
>> I would really appreciate some kind of clarification on the
>> situation on
>> or off the list. I know that patience is a virtue, but knowing whether
>> Rebol/View will be released on this platform, even as a beta,
>> during the
>> next 6 months would make life somewhat easier. If it is, it's
>> worth the
>> wait, if not it's probably best for me to seek other alternatives.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Jussi
>>
>> [1] http://www.rebol.com/news3203.html
>>
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View coming to OS X?

2003-10-08 Thread pat.scotto
I have the same problem ,
wait rebol team for a view on MAC OSX or change my favorite language 
(REBOL)  and return to Java :-(



Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch a écrit:

>Might I add...
>
>I am waiting to buy an ibook... But because view isn't yet working on it... I can't.
>
>everything I do is in rebol.  I've completely left all other programming languages...
>
>I wonder if apple's cocoa is going to be a tough competition on OS X.
>
>My question is if the pro version will also be available for it.
>
>
>-MAx
>---
>"You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution, but in the end, being 
>part of the problem is much more fun."
> 
>
>  
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Jussi Hagman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:36 AM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: [REBOL] Rebol/View coming to OS X?
>>
>>
>>
>>Hello, 
>>
>>It would be nice if REBOL Technologies would comment whether 
>>Rebol/View
>>(or other product with GUI-capabilities) will be released for Mac OS X
>>or not. According to the download page it is the only 
>>'pending' platform
>>and the status has not been changed in ages. 
>>
>>February 2003 REBOL Technologies gave a press release[1] on this
>>subject. According to it the whole product portfolio will be ported to
>>OS X, but not much has been heard about it since. 
>>
>>I would really appreciate some kind of clarification on the 
>>situation on
>>or off the list. I know that patience is a virtue, but knowing whether
>>Rebol/View will be released on this platform, even as a beta, 
>>during the
>>next 6 months would make life somewhat easier. If it is, it's 
>>worth the
>>wait, if not it's probably best for me to seek other alternatives.
>>
>>Yours,
>>Jussi 
>>
>>[1] http://www.rebol.com/news3203.html
>>
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>>University
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View coming to OS X?

2003-10-08 Thread Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch

Might I add...

I am waiting to buy an ibook... But because view isn't yet working on it... I can't.

everything I do is in rebol.  I've completely left all other programming languages...

I wonder if apple's cocoa is going to be a tough competition on OS X.

My question is if the pro version will also be available for it.


-MAx
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part of the problem is much more fun."
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Jussi Hagman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:36 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [REBOL] Rebol/View coming to OS X?
> 
> 
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> It would be nice if REBOL Technologies would comment whether 
> Rebol/View
> (or other product with GUI-capabilities) will be released for Mac OS X
> or not. According to the download page it is the only 
> 'pending' platform
> and the status has not been changed in ages. 
> 
> February 2003 REBOL Technologies gave a press release[1] on this
> subject. According to it the whole product portfolio will be ported to
> OS X, but not much has been heard about it since. 
> 
> I would really appreciate some kind of clarification on the 
> situation on
> or off the list. I know that patience is a virtue, but knowing whether
> Rebol/View will be released on this platform, even as a beta, 
> during the
> next 6 months would make life somewhat easier. If it is, it's 
> worth the
> wait, if not it's probably best for me to seek other alternatives.
> 
> Yours,
> Jussi 
> 
> [1] http://www.rebol.com/news3203.html
> 
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View on classic Mac OS

2003-10-01 Thread Ed O'Connor

- Original Message - 
From: "Conrad Weyns"
> Essentialy there can no longer be any incentive for any one to develop for
classic mac os so it is a waste of time.

Dangerous logic.

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View on classic Mac OS

2003-10-01 Thread Conrad Weyns

>
>I tested last View under MacOS 9.1 about a year ago or so and there was some
>problems with TCP connections...for example when you run desktop and try to
>connect to interenet(using http) soemtimes the connection hangs..

Ok, this is familiar.

>also when
>any rebol app read remote data from the net there were problemsAfter
>some searching I have found out that some versions of MacOS has pretty
>buggy(or incopatible??) tcp stack.

Not my experience. 
I'll give it one more try after increasing the Rebol memory partition but
if that doesn't help I'll stop persuing this issue. Essentialy there can
no longer be any incentive for any one to develop for classic mac os so
it is a waste of time.


[]

>
>regards,
>
>Cyphre
>
>PS: Don't take this as a beginning of flame thread. It's just my experience
>with the Clasic Macintosh platform. I always thought that Mac computers are

[]

If I had a choice I might become a full time QNX user... :-)

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View on classic Mac OS

2003-09-30 Thread Cyphre

I tested last View under MacOS 9.1 about a year ago or so and there was some
problems with TCP connections...for example when you run desktop and try to
connect to interenet(using http) soemtimes the connection hangs..also when
any rebol app read remote data from the net there were problemsAfter
some searching I have found out that some versions of MacOS has pretty
buggy(or incopatible??) tcp stack. One of my MacOS friend told me that this
is normal that even in higher versions of classic MacOS number of bugs is
icreasing and the probably best version was 8.1. I don't know if this is
true about other versions than Czech but I was pretty frustrated from it...
Another think I had to resolved was that MacOS classic(even the latest
versions 9.x)doesn't have dynamic memory alocation.What a shame! I had to
laugh outloud and wonder how such OS without multitasking and dynamic memory
allocation could survive longer than great AmigaOS. Well sometimes(or
usually?) the reality is nonconform. So if you wonder why some Rebol scripts
give you error message "not enough memory" then you probably need to change
memry alocation settings in the Rebol icon..

regards,

Cyphre

PS: Don't take this as a beginning of flame thread. It's just my experience
with the Clasic Macintosh platform. I always thought that Mac computers are
great. But when I had to use them in my job I realized that if you want to
use them as a "more universal" OS and not only run Photoshop or Quark for
the whole day I had to change my mind. Sometimes good marketing brings you
corupted mirror of reality. I tried to "think different" but...

PPS: Hope MacOSX(Jaguar or what is the latest version??) is better than the
versions before...


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Subject: [REBOL] Rebol/View on classic Mac OS


>
> Rebol/View under Win XP works well. I had no problems installing it,
> getting connected and playing with all the demos and examples.
> Today I spend about half a day with the Mac version: view-pro021.sit.hqx.
> It turned out to be a battle and I have to conclude that it works very
> badly, most of the time, not at all.
>
> I realize that the classic mac os is dead so I suppose I should simply
> wait for the OS X version.
> In the mean time, does any one else here has experience with that version
> of Rebol/View?
>
> Regards,
> Conrad Weyns
>
>
>
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View price

2002-06-14 Thread Carl Read

On 15-Jun-02, Volker Nitsch wrote:
> Hi Alessandro,

> Am Freitag, 14. Juni 2002 11:51 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>> Hi,
>> I wish to know how much does Rebol/View cost? Not View/PRO, but
>> View only. Since I wish to use Rebol to develop programs in the
>> company where I work, but I don't need the extra-features of
>> View/PRO version (since I make many jobs in the server-side, using
>> Macromedia ColdFusion Server 5).
>> 
>> Can I freely use Rebol/View or I have to buy it?
>> thank you!

> old mailing-list thread,

> From: Carl Sassenrath
> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:09:37

> http://www.escribe.com/internet/rebol/m9182.html

> could be related.

Umm, yes, and about a week later there was this post...

http://www.escribe.com/internet/rebol/m9963.html

Neither of which I suspect help Alessandro all that much.  However, if
he's going to be running REBOL on more than five machines in his
company then it seems pretty certain a license fee will need to be
paid to cover them.  If it's five or less though then he's left up in
the air by the suggestion that it may become free for commercial use
when it's on five or less computers.  Be annoying to buy a license
one week and then find out it's become free the next, right?

Either way, he needs to ask RT about it considering the current
(publicly known) pricing scheme, but if it's five or less and they
say he still has to pay he should at least get a guarantee from them
that it's not going to be made free for commercial use in the near
future.

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View price

2002-06-14 Thread Gabriele Santilli

Hi riusa,

On Friday, June 14, 2002, 3:56:56 PM, you wrote:

rei> but how much I have to pay for every rebol/view (not PRO version)?

If  you  need  it for CGI (as I think you said), you'll need /Core
rather  than  /View.  Also, the license talks about CPUs not users
AFAIK...

Regards,
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View price

2002-06-14 Thread Volker Nitsch

Hi Alessandro,

Am Freitag, 14. Juni 2002 11:51 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Hi,
> I wish to know how much does Rebol/View cost? Not View/PRO, but View
> only. Since I wish to use Rebol to develop programs in the company
> where I work, but I don't need the extra-features of View/PRO version
> (since I make many jobs in the server-side, using Macromedia ColdFusion
> Server 5).
>
> Can I freely use Rebol/View or I have to buy it?
> thank you!

old mailing-list thread,

From: Carl Sassenrath
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:09:37

http://www.escribe.com/internet/rebol/m9182.html

could be related.

> regards.
> --Alessandro--

greetings
-Volker


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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View price

2002-06-14 Thread G. Scott Jones

From: Alessandro
> Ok... my company has more than 5 users...
>
> but how much I have to pay for every rebol/view (not PRO version)?

Hi, Alessandro,

I don't think the ordinary list members can really answer.  I know that it
would not be *more* than the /View/Pro price.

My guess is that RT would happily make a volume discount offer for you.  I
would suggest describing your situation to Cindy at rebol.com, and she will
be able to give you an actual quote.

Good luck!
--Scott Jones

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View price

2002-06-14 Thread Paul Tretter

Your gonna have to purchase a commercial license since its not for personal
use.  With the power of REBOL, I'm sure your company shouldn't have a
problem paying the costs.

Paul Tretter

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Subject: [REBOL] Rebol/View price


Hi,
I wish to know how much does Rebol/View cost? Not View/PRO, but View
only. Since I wish to use Rebol to develop programs in the company
where I work, but I don't need the extra-features of View/PRO version
(since I make many jobs in the server-side, using Macromedia ColdFusion
Server 5).

Can I freely use Rebol/View or I have to buy it?
thank you!
regards.
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View price

2002-06-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ok... my company has more than 5 users...

but how much I have to pay for every rebol/view (not PRO version)?

regards.
--Alessandro--


> On 14-Jun-02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I wish to know how much does Rebol/View cost? Not View/PRO, but View
> > only. Since I wish to use Rebol to develop programs in the company
> > where I work, but I don't need the extra-features of View/PRO
> > version (since I make many jobs in the server-side, using Macromedia
> > ColdFusion Server 5).
>
> > Can I freely use Rebol/View or I have to buy it?
>
> Hi Alessandro,
>
> Up until now I believe the situation has been that it's free for
> non-commercial use but if it's to be used commercially a licence has
> to be bought for every computer it is running on.  However, Carl
> Sassenrath recently made this post to the list...
>
> http://www.escribe.com/internet/rebol/m22427.html
>
> To quote...
>
> ---8<---
>
>  I think it's time to change the licensing for REBOL/Core
>  and REBOL/View. What do you think?  Here's what I'm thinking:
>
> "Core and View would be free for use and redistribution for
>  commercial and noncommercial use; however, if more than five
>  copies are in use at a single company, then purchasing would
>  be required. Exception would be the use of REBOL for any
>  educational purposes.
>
>  This mean you can use REBOL for creating and selling your
>  programs, for in-house servers, for small company clients,
>  and for use in consulting solutions.
>
> ---8<---
>
> And that, as far as I know, is where things currently stand.  My guess
> would be that any change to their licences would coincide with the
> release of their next versions, (due out real soon now - maybe:), so
> the new licences could be included within them.
>
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View price

2002-06-14 Thread Carl Read

On 14-Jun-02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> I wish to know how much does Rebol/View cost? Not View/PRO, but View
> only. Since I wish to use Rebol to develop programs in the company
> where I work, but I don't need the extra-features of View/PRO
> version (since I make many jobs in the server-side, using Macromedia
> ColdFusion Server 5).

> Can I freely use Rebol/View or I have to buy it?

Hi Alessandro,

Up until now I believe the situation has been that it's free for
non-commercial use but if it's to be used commercially a licence has
to be bought for every computer it is running on.  However, Carl
Sassenrath recently made this post to the list...

http://www.escribe.com/internet/rebol/m22427.html

To quote...

---8<---

 I think it's time to change the licensing for REBOL/Core
 and REBOL/View. What do you think?  Here's what I'm thinking:

"Core and View would be free for use and redistribution for
 commercial and noncommercial use; however, if more than five
 copies are in use at a single company, then purchasing would
 be required. Exception would be the use of REBOL for any 
 educational purposes.

 This mean you can use REBOL for creating and selling your
 programs, for in-house servers, for small company clients,
 and for use in consulting solutions.

---8<---

And that, as far as I know, is where things currently stand.  My guess
would be that any change to their licences would coincide with the
release of their next versions, (due out real soon now - maybe:), so
the new licences could be included within them.

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[REBOL] Re: rebol/VIEW radio-buttons - zoom-radio style

2002-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wonderful! Just what I needed!

Maybe this new style could be added in standard rebol/view distribution!
thanks!

~

> You should try it yourself before making such
> easy suggestions. :)
>
> Anyway, last night I wrote a new style, that draws
> a scalable radio button:
>
>   http://anton.idatam.com.au/rebol/gui/zoom-radio.r
>
> Run the demo to see it in action:
>
>   http://anton.idatam.com.au/rebol/gui/demo-zoom-radio.r
>
> Anton.
>
> > i think you can type radio 30x30 and it will work.
> > But you got a better solution : it exists a "click-face" function that
> > someone wrote. With it, the user will could click on the text associated
> > with the radio and the radio will be check..
> >
> > i think it's the original function
> >
> > rebol []
> >
> > click-face: func [face][face/feel/engage face 'down none]
> >
> > ; simple example
> > view layout [
> > chk: check text "click me" [click-face chk]
> > ]
> > - Original Message -
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:10 AM
> > Subject: [REBOL] rebol/VIEW radio-buttons
>
> > I used in /view the radio-buttons (very useful).
> > I created a little list with a large font (vh3) but, the little buttons
> > (little circles) that the user can click are very small. How can I do
> > (if possible) to enlarge them? If it is not possible, can I substitute
> > the image of the radio-button with another image (I will draw a larger
> > button).
>
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[REBOL] Re: rebol/VIEW radio-buttons - zoom-radio style

2002-04-09 Thread Anton

You should try it yourself before making such
easy suggestions. :)

Anyway, last night I wrote a new style, that draws
a scalable radio button:

http://anton.idatam.com.au/rebol/gui/zoom-radio.r

Run the demo to see it in action:

http://anton.idatam.com.au/rebol/gui/demo-zoom-radio.r

Anton.

> i think you can type radio 30x30 and it will work.
> But you got a better solution : it exists a "click-face" function that
> someone wrote. With it, the user will could click on the text associated
> with the radio and the radio will be check..
> 
> i think it's the original function
> 
> rebol []
> 
> click-face: func [face][face/feel/engage face 'down none]
> 
> ; simple example
> view layout [
> chk: check text "click me" [click-face chk]
> ]
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:10 AM
> Subject: [REBOL] rebol/VIEW radio-buttons

> I used in /view the radio-buttons (very useful).
> I created a little list with a large font (vh3) but, the little buttons
> (little circles) that the user can click are very small. How can I do
> (if possible) to enlarge them? If it is not possible, can I substitute
> the image of the radio-button with another image (I will draw a larger
> button).

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[REBOL] Re: rebol/VIEW radio-buttons

2002-04-09 Thread Philippe Oehler

hey..

i think you can type radio 30x30 and it will work.
But you got a better solution : it exists a "click-face" function that
someone wrote. With it, the user will could click on the text associated
with the radio and the radio will be check..

i think it's the original function

rebol []

click-face: func [face][face/feel/engage face 'down none]

; simple example
view layout [
chk: check text "click me" [click-face chk]
]
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Subject: [REBOL] rebol/VIEW radio-buttons



Hi all,

I used in /view the radio-buttons (very useful).
I created a little list with a large font (vh3) but, the little buttons
(little circles) that the user can click are very small. How can I do
(if possible) to enlarge them? If it is not possible, can I substitute
the image of the radio-button with another image (I will draw a larger
button).

Thanks a lot!

bye!



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[REBOL] Re: rebol/VIEW radio-buttons

2002-04-09 Thread Anton

Hello riusa,

> I used in /view the radio-buttons (very useful).
> I created a little list with a large font (vh3) but, the little buttons
> (little circles) that the user can click are very small. How can I do
> (if possible) to enlarge them? If it is not possible, can I substitute
> the image of the radio-button with another image (I will draw a larger
> button).

This works (at double the size):

view layout [r: radio 24x24 do [append r/effect [fit]]]

Now the question is why is the above necessary?

>> get in get-style 'radio 'init
== [effect: [key 200.200.200]]

Ah, you can see the init code is changing whatever
effect you set in the layout dialect. The init code
happens afterwards. So what I did above was change the
code after the radio is laid out and initialized, using
'do [...]

But you might appreciate this:

view layout [
style big-radio radio 24x24 with [
init: [effect: [key 200.200.200 fit]]
]
radio big-radio big-radio
]

All this is inspiring me to make a scalable radio style.
Something relatively easy to accomplish, I think.

Anton.
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/view as a CGI app

2002-01-10 Thread Mat Bettinson

Hi Andrew,

AM> You do know that Rebol/View's %User.r and %Rebol.r are different from
AM> Rebol/Core's %User.r and %Rebol.r, don't you? It sounds like you've got all
AM> the rebol versions using the same versions of these files.

Well not exactly. Rebol/core and Rebol/command are using the user.r
and rebol.r in C:/Rebol/ but Rebol/view uses the files in
C:/Rebol/View/ because that's where's it's installed. Now Rebol/view
when you set it up IE run it for the first time, appears to set up
it's path independently. I'm not sure where, but it works and it's
installed and I don't have to touch it to run scripts. So I fail to
see why it just hangs when called as a CGI app from Xitami.

>> I didn't know about the REBOL_HOME var actually.

AM> It's recommended to be put into autoexec.bat for Rebol/Core.

I've never needed it on any machine to date.

AM> On Windows 95+ systems, edit the C:\autoexec.bat file and add a line such
AM> as:

This is a Win2K box.

AM> I hope that helps!

Not really but I'm somewhat past caring, the old rebol/command appears
capable of running the scripts I need so I guess I'll have to keep
using that ;)

Regards,

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/view as a CGI app

2002-01-10 Thread Andrew Martin

Hi, Matt, you wrote:
> The only solution I can think of is to work out what the hell is happening
with Rebol/View when I'm calling it.

You do know that Rebol/View's %User.r and %Rebol.r are different from
Rebol/Core's %User.r and %Rebol.r, don't you? It sounds like you've got all
the rebol versions using the same versions of these files.

> I didn't know about the REBOL_HOME var actually.

It's recommended to be put into autoexec.bat for Rebol/Core. If you haven't
provided it, then this is probably the reason why Rebol/Core works (because
it can't find it's home directory, and so _ignores_ %User.r and %Rebol.r.
Here's the entry from %setup.html from Rebol/Core:

On Windows 95+ systems, edit the C:\autoexec.bat file and add a line such
as:


set REBOL_HOME=c:\REBOL

I hope that helps!

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To: "Andrew Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [REBOL] Re: Rebol/view as a CGI app


> Hello Andrew,
>
> AM> It sounds like your rebol installation is bad. I think that Rebol/View
> AM> doesn't like being called %rebolcmd.exe. It's probably trying to
install
> AM> itself when called by Xitami?
>
> No, that's now what I have done. The command line I quoted works;
>
> #!C:\Rebol\rebolcmd.exe --cgi -s
>
> This really IS Rebol/Command. The above also works if I use just plain
> rebol.exe, IE Rebol/Core.
>
> What does NOT work is if I do ANYTHING like the following;
>
> #!C:\Rebol\view\rebol.exe --cgi -s
>
> This just doesn't work. It hangs. Doesn't matter what switches I use
> either, I've tried dozens of combinations. I can run the exact path
> and my Rebol/View just goes straight into the console and doesn't try
> to install itself with the nasty pop up GUI thing.
>
> AM> If you want to run Rebol/View and Rebol/Core at once, consider doing
what
> AM> I've done, which is to have one directory, like:
> AM> %/C/Rebol/
> AM> with two subdirectories, inside it like:
> AM> %/C/Rebol/View/
> AM> and:
> AM> %/C/Rebol/Core/
>
> I just leave Rebol/Core and Rebol/Command in the %/C/Rebol/ dir.
>
> AM> Then put Rebol/Core in it's directory and Rebol/View in it's
directory.
> AM> Then check them out to make sure that both work OK, then try them out
again.
>
> They all work, I'm not a complete fool. :)
>
> AM> Be sure that the REBOL_HOME variable in your autoexec.bat file is
changed
> AM> and that you've rebooted your system. The end result is two Rebol
> AM> executables which are at:
> AM> %/C/Rebol/Core/Rebol.exe
> AM> and:
> AM> %/C/Rebol/View/Rebol.exe
> AM> Then in the %/C/Rebol/ directory, you can store your Rebol scripts
and
> AM> it's all tidy and so on.
>
> I didn't know about the REBOL_HOME var actually. Not that it appears
> to matter much. I have Rebol/view (pro) registered in the system to
> execute scripts without security etc. It works well.
>
> AM> I hope that helps! If not, please let me know, or email the list?
>
> The only solution I can think of is to work out what the hell is
> happening with Rebol/View when I'm calling it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mat Bettinson
> Codeplay
>
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> 140-142 Kentish Town Rd, London, NW1 9QB
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/view as a CGI app

2002-01-10 Thread Mat Bettinson

Hello Andrew,

AM> It sounds like your rebol installation is bad. I think that Rebol/View
AM> doesn't like being called %rebolcmd.exe. It's probably trying to install
AM> itself when called by Xitami?

No, that's now what I have done. The command line I quoted works;

#!C:\Rebol\rebolcmd.exe --cgi -s

This really IS Rebol/Command. The above also works if I use just plain
rebol.exe, IE Rebol/Core.

What does NOT work is if I do ANYTHING like the following;

#!C:\Rebol\view\rebol.exe --cgi -s

This just doesn't work. It hangs. Doesn't matter what switches I use
either, I've tried dozens of combinations. I can run the exact path
and my Rebol/View just goes straight into the console and doesn't try
to install itself with the nasty pop up GUI thing.

AM> If you want to run Rebol/View and Rebol/Core at once, consider doing what
AM> I've done, which is to have one directory, like:
AM> %/C/Rebol/
AM> with two subdirectories, inside it like:
AM> %/C/Rebol/View/
AM> and:
AM> %/C/Rebol/Core/

I just leave Rebol/Core and Rebol/Command in the %/C/Rebol/ dir.

AM> Then put Rebol/Core in it's directory and Rebol/View in it's directory.
AM> Then check them out to make sure that both work OK, then try them out again.

They all work, I'm not a complete fool. :)

AM> Be sure that the REBOL_HOME variable in your autoexec.bat file is changed
AM> and that you've rebooted your system. The end result is two Rebol
AM> executables which are at:
AM> %/C/Rebol/Core/Rebol.exe
AM> and:
AM> %/C/Rebol/View/Rebol.exe
AM> Then in the %/C/Rebol/ directory, you can store your Rebol scripts and
AM> it's all tidy and so on.

I didn't know about the REBOL_HOME var actually. Not that it appears
to matter much. I have Rebol/view (pro) registered in the system to
execute scripts without security etc. It works well.

AM> I hope that helps! If not, please let me know, or email the list?

The only solution I can think of is to work out what the hell is
happening with Rebol/View when I'm calling it.

Regards,

Mat Bettinson
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/view as a CGI app

2002-01-10 Thread Andrew Martin

Hi, Matt.
It sounds like your rebol installation is bad. I think that Rebol/View
doesn't like being called %rebolcmd.exe. It's probably trying to install
itself when called by Xitami?

If you want to run Rebol/View and Rebol/Core at once, consider doing what
I've done, which is to have one directory, like:
%/C/Rebol/
with two subdirectories, inside it like:
%/C/Rebol/View/
and:
%/C/Rebol/Core/
Then put Rebol/Core in it's directory and Rebol/View in it's directory.
Then check them out to make sure that both work OK, then try them out again.
Be sure that the REBOL_HOME variable in your autoexec.bat file is changed
and that you've rebooted your system. The end result is two Rebol
executables which are at:
%/C/Rebol/Core/Rebol.exe
and:
%/C/Rebol/View/Rebol.exe
Then in the %/C/Rebol/ directory, you can store your Rebol scripts and
it's all tidy and so on.

I hope that helps! If not, please let me know, or email the list?

Andrew Martin
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Subject: [REBOL] Re: Rebol/view as a CGI app


> Hi Andrew,
>
> AM> I think there's something wrong with your computer or rebol
installation.
> AM> I'm using Xitami and Rebol/View on Windows XP with no problems at all.
> AM> Here's the line I use in my Rebol scripts:
> AM> #! c:\Rebol\View\rebol.exe -cs
>
> AM> If that doesn't help, try again?
>
> I've literally been switching out the above with
> #!C:\Rebol\rebolcmd.exe --cgi -s
>
> (The switches taken from an actual example in the manual)
> This line works, so does the regular Rebol/core (just rebol.exe) but
> View does not. It gets launched but never actually does anything and
> eventually Xitami terminates it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mat.
>
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/view as a CGI app

2002-01-10 Thread Mat Bettinson

Hi Andrew,

AM> I think there's something wrong with your computer or rebol installation.
AM> I'm using Xitami and Rebol/View on Windows XP with no problems at all.
AM> Here's the line I use in my Rebol scripts:
AM> #! c:\Rebol\View\rebol.exe -cs

AM> If that doesn't help, try again?

I've literally been switching out the above with
#!C:\Rebol\rebolcmd.exe --cgi -s

(The switches taken from an actual example in the manual)
This line works, so does the regular Rebol/core (just rebol.exe) but
View does not. It gets launched but never actually does anything and
eventually Xitami terminates it.

Regards,

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/view as a CGI app

2002-01-09 Thread Andrew Martin

> MB> I'm trying to get Rebol to work with Xitami.
>
> Turns out what I was doing wrong was trying to use Rebol/view. This just
doesn't work at all. Rebol/core does of course. However I needed the shall
command so I've had to use the ancient Rebol/command I have.

> I assume this is desired behavior and --cgi is disabled on Rebol/view in
some unfathomable marketing/product positioning decision?

Hi, Matt.
I think there's something wrong with your computer or rebol installation.
I'm using Xitami and Rebol/View on Windows XP with no problems at all.
Here's the line I use in my Rebol scripts:
#! c:\Rebol\View\rebol.exe -cs

If that doesn't help, try again?

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View/Pro and CGI

2001-05-08 Thread GS Jones

>  "Colin Brizell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If I then change the shebang line to point to my licensed
> > version of
> > Rebol/Veiw/Pro 1.1.0.4.2 (Running on Redhat Linux
> > 2.2.14-6
>

From: "Graham Chiu"
> there's a thread here earlier about not using View for cgi

More specifically about not using /View for cgi under Unix/Linux servers
in which XWindow libraries are not installed.  Apparently, /View
requires the libraries to initialize, even if the script does not use
/View features.  At least that is what I recall.  Hope that helps.
--Scott Jones

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol/View/Pro and CGI

2001-05-08 Thread Graham Chiu

On Tue, 8 May 2001 07:54:33 +0100
 "Colin Brizell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If I then change the shebang line to point to my licensed
> version of
> Rebol/Veiw/Pro 1.1.0.4.2 (Running on Redhat Linux
> 2.2.14-6

there's a thread here earlier about not using View for cgi

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[REBOL] Re: Rebol View problem connecting on win2k

2001-04-25 Thread Lok Yek Soon

the win98 Rebol is connected thru' cable modem
while the win2k goes thru' a leased line without
any proxy.

YS

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> > Subject: [REBOL] Rebol View problem connecting on
> win2k
> > 
> > 
> > I have Rebol View installed on win2k.
> > 
> > whenever I launch it, it will complains about
> > problem reading various "icon files".
> > 
> > I believe the icon files are the various scripts
> > that is on Rebol.com
> > 
> > I do not have a problem on win98.
> > 
> > thanks
> > YS
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[REBOL] Re: Rebol View problem connecting on win2k

2001-04-25 Thread Carl Sassenrath

Is it connected in the same way to the Internet?

-Carl

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> 
> 
> I have Rebol View installed on win2k.
> 
> whenever I launch it, it will complains about
> problem reading various "icon files".
> 
> I believe the icon files are the various scripts
> that is on Rebol.com
> 
> I do not have a problem on win98.
> 
> thanks
> YS
> 
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View problems and questions

2001-04-17 Thread GS Jones

> From: "Christian Langreiter"
> > Hi REBOLs,
> >
> > I'm pretty new to /View (I've played with it about a year ago but since
> > I have forgotten everything I knew about it) and I've to say it looks
> > _good_. However, on my adventurous rides the first troublemakers are
> > showing up. So those are my questions:
> >
> > A. I have a text-list in a layout. How can I change its contents at
> > runtime? Nothing I have tried (tl/text, /texts, /data) worked. Is it
> > possible at all?


From: "Allen Kamp"
> Here is a very quick one. (Perhaps someone can dig out Sterling's example
> which resizes the dragger for the contents, I don't have it on this
machine)
>
> view layout [tl: text-list "a" "b" "c" [append tl/data random 10 show tl]]


Sterling's fix was:

fix-slider: func [faces [object! block!]] [
foreach list to-block faces [
either 0 = length? list/data [
list/sld/redrag 1
][
list/sld/redrag list/lc / length? list/data
]
]
]

and demonstrated by:

view layout [tl: text-list "a" "b" "c" [append tl/data random 10 fix-slider
tl show tl]]

There were some circumstances in which using tl/data (in this example) did
not seem to work, but I can't recall all the conditions.  But it seems like
assigning a new block of values to the text-list would not work:

;doesn't work
view layout [tl: text-list "a" "b" "c" [tl/data: ["new" "values"] fix-slider
tl show tl]]

By experimentation, I found that the following does work:

;does work
view layout [tl: text-list "a" "b" "c" [tl/lines: ["new" "values"]
fix-slider tl show tl]]

The difference is using lines refinement instead of data.  I also found the
following modification to Sterling's fix works:

; modification based on original by Sterling
; updates the bar on the side of a text-list or group of text-lists
fix-slider: func [faces [object! block!]] [
foreach list to-block faces [
;either 0 = length? list/data [
either 0 = length? list/lines [
list/sld/redrag 1
][
;list/sld/redrag list/lc / length? list/data
list/sld/redrag list/lc / length? list/lines
]
]
]

What I cannot recall (I guess I suffer from chronic relapsing Alzheimer's
and will probably respond to your question nine times!  ;) was whether there
was a circumstance where Sterling's fix did not work, and my modification
did.  At any rate, that's my two cents.
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View problems and questions

2001-04-17 Thread Christian Langreiter

Allen, merci beaucoup.

I had already solved the problems by intensely staring at some source code,
the post took a long time to go through (why?).

Anyway, the result of my lil' weekend explorations is described here:
http://www.xmlrpc.com/discuss/msgReader$1626?mode=day

Cheers,
  Chris

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View problems and questions

2001-04-16 Thread Allen Kamp


- Original Message -
From: "Christian Langreiter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 1:42 AM
Subject: [REBOL] REBOL/View problems and questions


> Hi REBOLs,
>
> I'm pretty new to /View (I've played with it about a year ago but since
> I have forgotten everything I knew about it) and I've to say it looks
> _good_. However, on my adventurous rides the first troublemakers are
> showing up. So those are my questions:
>
> A. I have a text-list in a layout. How can I change its contents at
> runtime? Nothing I have tried (tl/text, /texts, /data) worked. Is it
> possible at all?

Here is a very quick one. (Perhaps someone can dig out Sterling's example
which resizes the dragger for the contents, I don't have it on this machine)

view layout [tl: text-list "a" "b" "c" [append tl/data random 10 show tl]]

>
> B. I have a field in a layout the contents of which are changed via a
> button (f/text: "blah!"). Problem: Once I manually enter data into the
> field, I can't change it programmatically any more. Is this a bug or
> behaviour to be expected?

Use copy if you are assigning the "value".

view layout [f: field button "Click" [f/text: copy "blah!" show f]]

Cheers,

Allen K

>
> Best wishes and thanks in advance,
> Chris
>
>
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-11 Thread Christian Morency

Hi Colin,

Have you tried increasing Program Memory ? as opposed to Storage Memory.
When I run Rebol, it requires around 3mb on my device !

Best,
Chris

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Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 5:27 AM
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Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!


Chris,
I do agree that a version of REBOL/View for WindowsCE would
be a great benifit to the PDA market. I just wish that I could get
REBOL/Core 2.5 to run on my HP 620LX WindowsCE version 2.0. Have you
had any sucess in this area ?

Cheers
colinb

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Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!


Hi,

Congratulations on the release, look forward using it with the script I
wrote for Rebol/Core... Any chance for a WindowsCE/PocketPC version of
Rebol/View ? The PDA market would really benefits from a good generic SDK
and scripting tools like Rebol/Core + Rebol/View ?

Best,
Chris


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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-09 Thread Bruno G. Albuquerque

Em Saturday, April 07 2001, 01:14:27, Carl Sassenrath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) disse:

>Also note that the Windows and Linux versions are actually
>View/Pro.  We are working to get credit card processing up and
>running so we can start selling licenses and send you the key
>that unlocks the power of View/Pro.

Hello Carl, and congratulations.

I'm running the BeOS (x86) version of Rebol/View and it's not exactly stable. 
The interface of the VID scripts locks most of the time and I have to close 
rebol and start again. I'm tunning it in a Dual PIII 733, so it may be SMP-
related.

What about a Pro version for BeOS? Will that be available?

Thanks.

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-07 Thread Andrew Martin

Thanks to Carl and the Rebol Crew!
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-07 Thread Christian Morency

Hi Colin

I've been using Rebol/Core 2.5 on my E-125 (mips) PocketPC since it's
release. And I just installed Rebol/Core 2.5 on my HP680 Jornada (SH3) and
it's working perfectly AFAIK. Have you downloaded the correct build for your
SH3 device ? The file should be core151.zip from the download area... feel
free to contact me regarding this issue.

Best,
Chris

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Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!


Chris,
I do agree that a version of REBOL/View for WindowsCE would
be a great benifit to the PDA market. I just wish that I could get
REBOL/Core 2.5 to run on my HP 620LX WindowsCE version 2.0. Have you
had any sucess in this area ?

Cheers
colinb

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Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 6:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!


Hi,

Congratulations on the release, look forward using it with the script I
wrote for Rebol/Core... Any chance for a WindowsCE/PocketPC version of
Rebol/View ? The PDA market would really benefits from a good generic SDK
and scripting tools like Rebol/Core + Rebol/View ?

Best,
Chris


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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-07 Thread Carl Read

On 08-Apr-01, Kolbjørn Barmen wrote:

> Is it just me, or is view now become so slow and sluggish that's
> it's damn close to useless, even on 060 machine? I click a button
> and sometimres it takes 15-20 seconds before anything happens, can
> hardly play rebtris due to lag in response... and here I thought
> rebol was supposed to be flexible and efficient? Gah... :Þ

No, it's not just you.  You should try it on a 50Mhz 030. (:

However, gradient backdrops can cause some sluggishness if they're
behind a lot of other stuff.  Try removing the ones in Rebtris and
see what difference it makes.  (Assuming you can edit it that is - I
tried to a while back and it wasn't easy.  I think there's checks in
the code for such tampering.:)

Also, find the demo100.r script, (which is the "demo" you run from the
console - it'll be in your public/www.rebol.com/view/ directory), and
comment out the box animation effects. ie this bit...

view layout [
backdrop effect [gradient 0x1 100.100.100 0.0.0]
style button button 200
box 100x100 "Temporary Demos"
; rate 10 effect first effs feel [
;engage: func [f a e][
;if a = 'down [quit]
;if a = 'time [
;effs: next effs
;if tail? effs [effs: head effs]
;f/effect: first effs
;show f
;]
;]
; ]
pad 84
button 100 "REBOL.com" [browse http://www.rebol.com]

Your should see the script's buttons spring to life after that.  Don't
run it when you're online though, as REBOL might just download the
original again.

Flashturbation is the term for excessive use of Flash on websites.  I
wonder what the equivalent word for excessive use of effects in View
will be? (;

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-07 Thread Kolbjørn Barmen

On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Carl Read wrote:

> Hi Bo,
>
> Finally I can help you instead. (: ...
>
> On 07-Apr-01, Bohdan Lechnowsky wrote:
>
> > Having trouble with the Amiga version.  It won't install.
>
> > I have the executable in the data:view/ directory and it's called
> > 'view'.  I try to install it to that location as well as other
> > locations like RAM: and work: and I always get the same message:
>
> >Failed to install file data:view/rebol
>
> I got the exact same problem.  The solution is to start it from the
> CLI, not the icon.  Then it installs okay, and when started from the
> icon the next time you'll go straight to the Console.  (I betcha the
> problem is to do with the guff they've put in the icon's
> tool-types.:)

Is it just me, or is view now become so slow and sluggish that's
it's damn close to useless, even on 060 machine? I click a button and
sometimres it takes 15-20 seconds before anything happens, can hardly
play rebtris due to lag in response... and here I thought rebol was
supposed to be flexible and efficient? Gah... :Þ


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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-07 Thread Colin Brizell

Chris,
I do agree that a version of REBOL/View for WindowsCE would
be a great benifit to the PDA market. I just wish that I could get
REBOL/Core 2.5 to run on my HP 620LX WindowsCE version 2.0. Have you
had any sucess in this area ?

Cheers
colinb

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Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!


Hi,

Congratulations on the release, look forward using it with the script I
wrote for Rebol/Core... Any chance for a WindowsCE/PocketPC version of
Rebol/View ? The PDA market would really benefits from a good generic SDK
and scripting tools like Rebol/Core + Rebol/View ?

Best,
Chris


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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-07 Thread Carl Read

Hi Bo,

Finally I can help you instead. (: ...

On 07-Apr-01, Bohdan Lechnowsky wrote:

> Having trouble with the Amiga version.  It won't install.

> I have the executable in the data:view/ directory and it's called
> 'view'.  I try to install it to that location as well as other
> locations like RAM: and work: and I always get the same message:

>Failed to install file data:view/rebol

I got the exact same problem.  The solution is to start it from the
CLI, not the icon.  Then it installs okay, and when started from the
icon the next time you'll go straight to the Console.  (I betcha the
problem is to do with the guff they've put in the icon's
tool-types.:)

Well, I hope that helps...

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-06 Thread Alan Crandall

Hello Bohdan

On 06-Apr-01, Bohdan Lechnowsky wrote:
> Having trouble with the Amiga version.  It won't install.
> 
> I have the executable in the data:view/ directory and it's called
> 'view'.  I try to install it to that location as well as other
> locations like RAM: and work: and I always get the same message:
> 
>Failed to install file data:view/rebol
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
Just ran in to that here and and ready 4 a reboot after removing the assign
in s:
Will let you know the results
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View Docs

2001-04-06 Thread Alan Crandall

Hello Philip

On 06-Apr-01, Philip Bevan wrote:
> Hi Alan,
> 
> The relevant text says
> 
>view layout [
>style btn button blue
>text "Testing red button style:"
>btn "Test"
>btn "Blue!"
>]
> 
> I did say it was a very small point!!!
> 
and it is,just that I had ripped it and linked to my page and don't want
errors.Thanks!
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View Docs

2001-04-06 Thread Philip Bevan

Hi Alan,

The relevant text says

view layout [
style btn button blue
text "Testing red button style:"
btn "Test"
btn "Blue!"
]

I did say it was a very small point!!!

Cheers Phil

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Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View Docs


> Hello Philip
>
> On 05-Apr-01, Philip Bevan wrote:
> > Hi Carl,
> >
> > Just a very small point 
> >
> > In the Beginners Guide section 6 custom styles the first example refers
> > to Testing a Red button style ... but the example is a blue button
style.
> >
> I could not find what you were talking about there.I have also done a rip
> of the view docs and have them at
> http://www.sonic.net/alanwall/rebol/viewdoc.rip so you can read as a local
> file.
> Regards
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-06 Thread Christian Morency

Hi,

Congratulations on the release, look forward using it with the script I
wrote for Rebol/Core... Any chance for a WindowsCE/PocketPC version of
Rebol/View ? The PDA market would really benefits from a good generic SDK
and scripting tools like Rebol/Core + Rebol/View ?

Best,
Chris

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Carl Sassenrath
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 12:14 AM
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Subject: [REBOL] REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!


We did it. Finally. Check out http://www.rebol.com

It's a free download, and it allows FREE REDISTRIBUTION! That's
right, you can put it on your web site, put it into a CD-ROM,
share it with friends via floppy, beam it over wireless,
whatever.

Also note that the Windows and Linux versions are actually
View/Pro.  We are working to get credit card processing up and
running so we can start selling licenses and send you the key
that unlocks the power of View/Pro.

And, look for View 1.1 coming soon... it will include the REBOL/View
Desktop.

Much more planned for the Web site for docs and demos... and also
look for the return of the REB soon -- a world-wide distributed
operating system (WWDOS? Hmmm.)

If you yet haven't noticed, REBOL's back!

-Carl

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-06 Thread Brett Handley

Whohoo!!!

go: :do
!: "Yippee!!"

GO REBOL !

Brett.

> We did it. Finally. Check out http://www.rebol.com
> 
> It's a free download, and it allows FREE REDISTRIBUTION! That's
> right, you can put it on your web site, put it into a CD-ROM,
> share it with friends via floppy, beam it over wireless,
> whatever.
> 
> Also note that the Windows and Linux versions are actually
> View/Pro.  We are working to get credit card processing up and
> running so we can start selling licenses and send you the key
> that unlocks the power of View/Pro.
> 
> And, look for View 1.1 coming soon... it will include the REBOL/View
> Desktop.
> 
> Much more planned for the Web site for docs and demos... and also
> look for the return of the REB soon -- a world-wide distributed
> operating system (WWDOS? Hmmm.)
> 
> If you yet haven't noticed, REBOL's back!
> 
> -Carl
> 
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-06 Thread Petr Krenzelok

Hi Bo!

just one question - do you still work for RT? I noticed your consultant work
related email some week or two ago here, and now you are not posting from
@rebol.com, and you are asking questions as if you would not be Rebol QA
anymore???

Thanks,
-pekr-

- Original Message -
From: "Bohdan Lechnowsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 5:42 AM
Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!


> Having trouble with the Amiga version.  It won't install.
>
> I have the executable in the data:view/ directory and it's called
> 'view'.  I try to install it to that location as well as other
> locations like RAM: and work: and I always get the same message:
>
> Failed to install file data:view/rebol
>
> What am I missing?
>
> -Bo
>
> 
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-06 Thread Larry Palmiter

Carl: Just downloaded View. Looks good. Congratulations!! Noticed that
easy-vid demo is not looking in correct directory for images. Will
investigate further.

-Larry

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From: "Carl Sassenrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:14 PM
Subject: [REBOL] REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!


> We did it. Finally. Check out http://www.rebol.com
>
> It's a free download, and it allows FREE REDISTRIBUTION! That's
> right, you can put it on your web site, put it into a CD-ROM,
> share it with friends via floppy, beam it over wireless,
> whatever.
>
> Also note that the Windows and Linux versions are actually
> View/Pro.  We are working to get credit card processing up and
> running so we can start selling licenses and send you the key
> that unlocks the power of View/Pro.
>
> And, look for View 1.1 coming soon... it will include the REBOL/View
> Desktop.
>
> Much more planned for the Web site for docs and demos... and also
> look for the return of the REB soon -- a world-wide distributed
> operating system (WWDOS? Hmmm.)
>
> If you yet haven't noticed, REBOL's back!
>
> -Carl
>
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-06 Thread Bohdan Lechnowsky

Having trouble with the Amiga version.  It won't install.

I have the executable in the data:view/ directory and it's called
'view'.  I try to install it to that location as well as other
locations like RAM: and work: and I always get the same message:

Failed to install file data:view/rebol

What am I missing?

-Bo


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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!

2001-04-06 Thread Paul Tretter

Carl,

Ummm.. Your killing me.  (WWDOS?) ahh.  Anyone, got anything good to
remove hair from underneath fingernails.  Go Carl Go!

Paul Tretter

- Original Message -
From: "Carl Sassenrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:14 PM
Subject: [REBOL] REBOL/View 1.0 Ships!


> We did it. Finally. Check out http://www.rebol.com
>
> It's a free download, and it allows FREE REDISTRIBUTION! That's
> right, you can put it on your web site, put it into a CD-ROM,
> share it with friends via floppy, beam it over wireless,
> whatever.
>
> Also note that the Windows and Linux versions are actually
> View/Pro.  We are working to get credit card processing up and
> running so we can start selling licenses and send you the key
> that unlocks the power of View/Pro.
>
> And, look for View 1.1 coming soon... it will include the REBOL/View
> Desktop.
>
> Much more planned for the Web site for docs and demos... and also
> look for the return of the REB soon -- a world-wide distributed
> operating system (WWDOS? Hmmm.)
>
> If you yet haven't noticed, REBOL's back!
>
> -Carl
>
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View Docs

2001-04-06 Thread Alan Crandall

Hello Philip

On 05-Apr-01, Philip Bevan wrote:
> Hi Carl,
> 
> Just a very small point 
> 
> In the Beginners Guide section 6 custom styles the first example refers
> to Testing a Red button style ... but the example is a blue button style.
> 
I could not find what you were talking about there.I have also done a rip
of the view docs and have them at
http://www.sonic.net/alanwall/rebol/viewdoc.rip so you can read as a local
file.
Regards
-- 
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View Docs

2001-04-05 Thread Philip Bevan

Hi Carl,

Just a very small point 

In the Beginners Guide section 6 custom styles the first example refers to
Testing a Red button style ... but the example is a blue button style.


Cheers Phil

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Subject: [REBOL] REBOL/View Docs


> Preliminary REBOL/View docs have been posted to www.rebol.com.
> Includes a "Beginner's Guide" (just easy-vid in HTML format).
>
> Let me know of typos.
>
> -Carl
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View Docs

2001-04-05 Thread Graham Chiu

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:33:52 -0500
 "charter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I cant locate the docs.  Tried several locations.  Can
> you provide a
> complete URL.


http://www.rebol.com/docs/view-guide.html

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View Docs

2001-04-05 Thread GS Jones

Paul Tretter Wrote:
> Carl,
> 
> I cant locate the docs.  Tried several locations.  Can you provide a
> complete URL.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul Tretter
> 
> > Preliminary REBOL/View docs have been posted to www.rebol.com.
> > Includes a "Beginner's Guide" (just easy-vid in HTML format).
> >
> > Let me know of typos.
> >
> > -Carl
> >

I, of course, could be mistaken, but I suspect that he is referring to:
http://www.rebol.com/docs/easy-vid.html

--Scott Jones

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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/View Docs

2001-04-05 Thread Brett Handley

Look for Rebol/View Developer's Guide on this page
http://www.rebol.com/developer.html

Brett.

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From: "charter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:33 AM
Subject: [REBOL] Re: REBOL/View Docs


> Carl,
>
> I cant locate the docs.  Tried several locations.  Can you provide a
> complete URL.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Tretter
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Carl Sassenrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:22 PM
> Subject: [REBOL] REBOL/View Docs
>
>
> > Preliminary REBOL/View docs have been posted to www.rebol.com.
> > Includes a "Beginner's Guide" (just easy-vid in HTML format).
> >
> > Let me know of typos.
> >
> > -Carl
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