Re: [recoznet2] Re: ABC Transcript: The E.S. Nigger Brown stand
He wasn't an Aboriginal man, Lance. He was a white man whose fair skin and blond hair led people to nickname him "Nigger". Like calling a tall man "shorty". "Nigger" is a derogatory term and it is perfectly understandable that some people take offence at this. The fact that other Aboriginal people want to leave the name the way it is could be because they think there are more important things to fight for. I don't know, I am speculating. It is difficult to find out from a few news articles all the ins and outs of the situation. Unless one is on the scene, I don't think anyone can say how many people within the community are for or against. Trudy Lance Kelly wrote: Question regarding this statement, So where are the supporters stating that it shouldnt be the name? How many supporters does this person have? 200 aboriginal supporters saying they wish for it to stay the same bares no semblance to one man sayiong it shouldnt be there. Who is the community 1 man or 200 people. Your argument is not relative at all, and why should one man who doenst live there have the right to tell teh community who do live there how they should remember a famous aborigianl man in the region? Regards, Lance. - Original Message - From: Laurie Forde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; news-clip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 9:24 AM Subject: [recoznet2] Re: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand Approximately 200 Aborigines signed the petition calling for the offensive name to be retained. The Aboriginal Community in Toowoomba numbers about 6000. The ABC's John Taylor is issueing a false report when he states that the "Toowoomba Aboriginal Community" has voted the name should stay. Laurie. Laurie and Desley Forde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trudy Bray wrote... -Original Message- From: Trudy Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: news-clip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 6:09 PM Subject: ABC Transcript: The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand The E.S. "Nigger" Brown stand The World Today - Friday, July30, 199912:53 COMPERE: Well, as a term of racial abuse, "nigger" is probably one of the worst. But is it acceptable when it's also a hero athlete's name, or at least part of his nick-name? That's the argument that's taking place in Queensland over the name of a grandstand at Toowoomba Athletic Oval. It's called the E.S. Nigger-Brown Stand. This has drawn outrage from many and a complaint to the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission. However, in what many people think would be a surprising move, the Toowoomba Aboriginal Community has voted that the name should stay. John Taylor. JOHN TAYLOR: His real name was Edward Stanley Brown, and in Toowoomba he was admired for playing in the 1921 Kangaroos rugby league side. He was better known by his nick-name, "Nigger", which apparently he got as a child because he had fair skin and blonde hair. And in the late 1960s, a grandstand at Toowoomba's Athletic Oval was named in his honour, the E.S. Nigger-Brown Stand. Last month a local Aboriginal activist, Steve Haigan, demanded it be changed, but the Toowoomba Sports Ground Trust said no way. But the issue hasn't died, especially since it's now been referred to the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission. But yesterday the debate took a new twist, with a meeting of local Toowoomba Aboriginal people voting the tag "nigger" should stay. Wally McCarthy from the Aboriginal Services Centre says more than 120 local Aborigines have spoken. WALLY McCARTHY: I hope it's the end of it and I hope the name's still there. We've done a resolution which will be under the Commission, and also other petitions, and I hope they take it into consideration at the ... of the members of the Aboriginal community and the support that we've given to Mr Brown. JOHN TAYLOR: But not everyone in the Aboriginal community agrees with keeping the name. ATSIC Commissioner, Col Dillon, told the ABC's Francis Tapim the word "nigger" is in no way, shape or form acceptable. COL DILLON: I'm absolutely bewildered. I'm absolutely appalled to think that any of our people would be supportive of a stand being named in such derogatory terms. It's terms like that and similar terms that we have been fighting in this nation to eradicate. JOHN TAYLOR: It's a fight Wally McCarthy has participated in, but in this instance in Toowoomba the name should stay. The word "nigger" is extremely offensive when used in normal, everyday language in Australia. Why isn't it offensive when it's on a football stand at Toowoomba? WALLY McCARTHY: I mean, you look at it, I suppose, in a couple of contexts. We use "nigger" a lot. You know, we've got black people that we call "nigger". You know, you can
[recoznet2] Redskins? Blacksins? Niggers?
Hau kola-pi, Just a thought. I have recently been abused in a store when asking fro the removal of an item which I find grossly offensive from the counter top. In fact I have had various reactions when I have come across this before and spoken to the store owner or counter person. The offensive item are candies called 'Redskins'. A kind of red chewy thing! As a Lakhota person I find these items extremely offensive, and whenever I come across them I always like to approach the store owner or sales person, and explain just how I feel. Now, I guess many of you are going to think I am being silly over this, but I find this a very bad example to set to children whom I presume would be tha main consumers of this candy. What kind of a message is it sending to these childrem? There is even a picture I think of an 'indian' on the wrapper! Each time I approach about this problem, I speak calmly and quietly, and attempt to explain why I am offended and ask if they would please remove the item form display and preferably from stock. I say to people, ok, how about if this thing was some kind of licorice candy? Would they have it on their counter if it was called Blackskins or Niggers? Of course, they usually protest that of course they wouldn't thing of doing such a thing...and of course they shouldn't either! My next reply then, is what is the difference between calling this red chewy candy a 'Redskin' and a piece of licorice a Blackskin or a nigger? I must hasten to add here, that personally, I would never use such words, they are not even in my vocabulary and are used here purely for the comparison! My people and all my brothers and sisters of the native american nations have strong feelings for our aboriginal brothers and sisters here. But Please can someone see what I am saying? I am very sad today Sioux --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Redskins? Blacksins? Niggers?
Theres a simple answer to your dilemma acknowledge your difference and accept that you as everyone else in society have inbuilt racism your inability to accept others choice of words (and thas all they are is words) suggests you have a bigger problem and that is as a result of this so called "politically correct" society which lacks the decency of people to express themselves in anyway they wish. If they have made a perosnal statement to you about your colour or creed your anger and frustration is acceptable. But if you chastising society becuase its celebrates the difference of people and the ability of marketeers and economic minded people to express and advertise themselves to sell product then I find your arguments difficult to accept. We are all differentiated from people individually, collectively as a race and as next door neighbours. Politically correctedness is not the way society is heading and rather than segregating people by controlling speech, we should be grasping the words and celibrating the fact that by the name redskin, blackskin, whiteskin, yellowskin or any other skin that people are at least being acknowledged for who we are. Be proud and happy of who you are first, show by actions and affirmation that you are proud to be who you are then you are in front of the racists who slander people and denigrate them. You are better than that. I say DOWN with political correctedness. Regards, Lance. "For equal society based on active particpation and not words." - Original Message - From: Sioux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 5:45 PM Subject: [recoznet2] Redskins? Blacksins? Niggers? Hau kola-pi, Just a thought. I have recently been abused in a store when asking fro the removal of an item which I find grossly offensive from the counter top. In fact I have had various reactions when I have come across this before and spoken to the store owner or counter person. The offensive item are candies called 'Redskins'. A kind of red chewy thing! As a Lakhota person I find these items extremely offensive, and whenever I come across them I always like to approach the store owner or sales person, and explain just how I feel. Now, I guess many of you are going to think I am being silly over this, but I find this a very bad example to set to children whom I presume would be tha main consumers of this candy. What kind of a message is it sending to these childrem? There is even a picture I think of an 'indian' on the wrapper! Each time I approach about this problem, I speak calmly and quietly, and attempt to explain why I am offended and ask if they would please remove the item form display and preferably from stock. I say to people, ok, how about if this thing was some kind of licorice candy? Would they have it on their counter if it was called Blackskins or Niggers? Of course, they usually protest that of course they wouldn't thing of doing such a thing...and of course they shouldn't either! My next reply then, is what is the difference between calling this red chewy candy a 'Redskin' and a piece of licorice a Blackskin or a nigger? I must hasten to add here, that personally, I would never use such words, they are not even in my vocabulary and are used here purely for the comparison! My people and all my brothers and sisters of the native american nations have strong feelings for our aboriginal brothers and sisters here. But Please can someone see what I am saying? I am very sad today Sioux --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further
[recoznet2] ABC TV Compass: Rainbow Spirit Theology
On ABC TV tonight: 10:10 pm. Compass Rainbow Spirit Theology (In another coup of masterful expression...) Looks at the contentious issue of incorporating traditional Aboriginal 'mythology' into Christian 'theology'. Quotation marks are mine. The put-downs are very subtle but they are unmistakable! Trudy --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Redskins? Blacksins? Niggers?
Lance, Lance Kelly wrote: Trudy the trouble is no one accept the politically motivated corect use it. Walk out on the street and listen to any conversation and the denigration and insulting manner that people use. I agree, this happens all the time. Oh sure people put their other hat on in an exclusive environment and try to use the political terminology when in the presence of another but listen to what they say when not in the presence of others and I ask the question is this more about values and beliefs than actual activism. Depends on what result the language has. Take police for instance. In their own environment they swear all the time and then they go out an uphold the peace by arresting Aboriginal people who use the same language that the police have been using all day. Now, I would not bother about how the police talk but it is certainly worth a fight to get justice for Aboriginal people who are jailed for using the same language within earshot of the police. I agree with you in most of your statements, but the point I am trying to make its all about lack of concern this politically correct terminology. In this instance at some time in the past a man was called "Nigger" Brown in a time when it was an accepted form of expression as was many other words and types of language. This is true. And in many places they are trying to censor books which contain the language of times past when it was acceptable to use that language. I don't agree with revisionist history in this way. The trouble is as we become globalised through economy and society everyone is losing their ability to freely express themselves and whatever we say and do cannot not be expected to please everyone the world would be a very quiet place if this was to be because some dominant philosophy would say "Ok world you cant say this word any more or that word." It is not through globalisation that this is happening but through understanding that these kinds of words are offensive. They have always been offensive - even 200 years ago - but then the offended people had no power and the rest of the people were not aware or did not care that it was offensive. They considered it their right to use those terms because they saw themselves as superior. Today, however, many people do realise that these words are offensive and hurtful and they rightly feel that they should no longer offend people on purpose. Once it is known that people are offended a caring person doesn't use them anymore if they believe in justice for all. If we could do this it would be great, but we cant and its not a realistic expectation to expect people to change so much that they must not say one word or the other. We can try to educate them. I get castigated just for saying bloke and sheila which for 200 years of development of the australian colloquialism has been an acceptable form or words to use amongst friends. However its ok if I say Guys which is an american colloquialism. Im saying Trudy we should be trying to change the world as it exists here and now not what has happened in the past, the past is impossible to change. I agree with you on that. We can reconstruct it with all these new ideas about how we see the world, but basically it is the same world with the same problems just more of em' (the problems I mean). A product is called fat free I find that repulsive as Im a fat person can you change that for me? Why do you feel offended by that when the 'fat' they speak of is not the same? Ned Kelly was a Bushranger and a bad bugger, I dont like that fact but Im still with the surname Kelly. He wasn't bad in everybody's eyes. From what I understand there were a lot of lies told about him. The police didn't invent verballing yesterday. People still call me Ned occasionally. Does an insult hurt as much as being denied medical asistance when it is freely available to others around Australia. I imagine that in some cases and for some people it can. And where we should insist on access to quality health care for all we can also insist that hurtful language not be used against people. We don't have to settle for one or the other. Especially when one costs nothing and only takes a little effort and caring. Language does hurt and insults hurt as well, however how much time and resource do we want to waste on a word when the quite significant real issues beyond words that need action. Thats all Im saying - Actions always speak Louder than Words. And sometimes the actions require a word not be used when someone says they are hurt and offended by it. Trudy Regards, Lance. - Original Message - From: Trudy and Rod Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Redskins? Blacksins? Niggers? Lance, What some people call 'political correctness' others call 'good manners' and a "respect for others' feelings".
Re: [recoznet2] Re: ABC Transcript: The E.S. Nigger Brown stand
Lance Kelly wrote: meanwhile aboriginal men die over simple curable illnesses blindness, alcoholism, diabetes, and social isolation poor third world housing conditions rather than hearing politically correct words what is being done about that? What actions are being taken NOW? How does an aboriginal man access equitable health? These questions are more important to me than words which we can rise over. Id love to hear some aboriginal males who has sesnse of what I'm talking about on this group. And I would love to see you mention people instead of just males. Trudy --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Redskins? Blacksins? Niggers?
Thanks Trudy, I guess Im trying to play 'devils advocate' because I sincerely believe people are missing the real picture. Can I just say I'm happy to be a "bloke" and happy to support active and real action, but I have a real difficulty when the politically correct have control. I believe people find it somewhat condescending and that real genuineness is overlooked in the politically correct sphere. I reckon that half the problem is that people cant get anywhere anyway with real issues and that people cant be understood because part of the control that the politcally correct use is redefining (and may I suggest pacifying) what are real and everyday issues for people. The sixities generation to which I belong is to blame for it, because we've copped out of the revolution for change. Regards, Lance. --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Redskins? Blacksins? Niggers?
Well Trudy, Good luck with that, I see more serious issues that society needs to deal with than that. I think everyone is mature enough to see what a "sambo or an american indian is" thats how we know they exist ...we all played cowboys and indians as children. We all grow in our recognition of what that meant and what we now see. My only wish is and I know Ill get flamed for this is.that perhaps we should have taught our children white fella / black fella when we were kids maybe we wouldnt have the mindless lack of knowledge about aboriginal people as we do now.? People in cities have no knowledge of aboriginal people only what the media would have them believe.and now we have whole generations of people with no knowledge of first australians only what their parents assume to know. How do you find ways to make people more aware of things - I think you can use racism to beat racism really by getting some black and white stuff in play going. As children are not to know the difference and shouldnt be expected to either. However by growing and learning along with play they'll come to see what isn't right and what isworking together playing together is the only waybuilds Social Capital and Community Spirit. Anyway ciao for now. Regards, Lance. - Original Message - From: Trudy and Rod Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Redskins? Blacksins? Niggers? Lance, And in many places they still have wooden "Indians" outside stores or they have black "Sambos" in the garden. It is to be hoped that one day we will reach the level of maturity that will make such things as repulsive to us as they are to American "Indians" and African-Americans. Trudy Lance Kelly wrote: We have redskin iceblocks and redskins chewy things here in Australia to. Everytime I buy one I think of the plight of the American indian as thats what it reminds me of. Perhaps approaching the company that makes them to see if they support the American Indian and whether the have rights of access to American artwork on their candy/lollies might help? They might even be a comapany who are American Indians making money or business from their own idea? Have you been able to found out anything about that? - Original Message - From: Sioux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 5:45 PM Subject: [recoznet2] Redskins? Blacksins? Niggers? Hau kola-pi, Just a thought. I have recently been abused in a store when asking fro the removal of an item which I find grossly offensive from the counter top. In fact I have had various reactions when I have come across this before and spoken to the store owner or counter person. The offensive item are candies called 'Redskins'. A kind of red chewy thing! As a Lakhota person I find these items extremely offensive, and whenever I come across them I always like to approach the store owner or sales person, and explain just how I feel. Now, I guess many of you are going to think I am being silly over this, but I find this a very bad example to set to children whom I presume would be tha main consumers of this candy. What kind of a message is it sending to these childrem? There is even a picture I think of an 'indian' on the wrapper! Each time I approach about this problem, I speak calmly and quietly, and attempt to explain why I am offended and ask if they would please remove the item form display and preferably from stock. I say to people, ok, how about if this thing was some kind of licorice candy? Would they have it on their counter if it was called Blackskins or Niggers? Of course, they usually protest that of course they wouldn't thing of doing such a thing...and of course they shouldn't either! My next reply then, is what is the difference between calling this red chewy candy a 'Redskin' and a piece of licorice a Blackskin or a nigger? I must hasten to add here, that personally, I would never use such words, they are not even in my vocabulary and are used here purely for the comparison! My people and all my brothers and sisters of the native american nations have strong feelings for our aboriginal brothers and sisters here. But Please can someone see what I am saying? I am very sad today Sioux --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright
[recoznet2] Tent Embassy
Trudy, Tell me hows the tent embassy going is anything happening there lately? --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Redskins? Blacksins? Niggers?
Hi Sioux, Didn't you know? Because these people aren't intending to be offensive, they aren't actually offensive. You see, to be offensive, you must have intention. They're actually honoring Indians. [sarcasm, if you missed it :) ] I've made several complaints to Nestle' over this candy thing over the past, no response as of yet. Am trying to think of another way to handle it, this isn't working to well. I am thinking about starting a petition going with the group I'm with (KOLA, heard of us? probably not...not many people here...mainly Turtle Island based) Which Lakhota Nation are you from? peace p.s. here's part of a poem I wrote about a week ago...a history lesson for you, as I've been told the girl in the seat next to me ate a Redskin candy i wanted to ask her if shed still be enjoying it if it was called Nigger i wanted to tell her when traders hunters trappers soldiers ranchers would bring their bear skins elk skins buffalo skins to a trader for money they would bring their Indian scalps with them they called the scalps Redskins i have a Friend who was called a Redskin at school He was then punched this girl will tell me it honors remembers Indians this girl will tell me it isnt racist prejudiced discriminatory this girl will tell me she isnt racist ignorant it will turn into a Pissing match no one ever wins a Pissing match Hau kola-pi, Just a thought. I have recently been abused in a store when asking fro the removal of an item which I find grossly offensive from the counter top. In fact I have had various reactions when I have come across this before and spoken to the store owner or counter person. The offensive item are candies called 'Redskins'. A kind of red chewy thing! As a Lakhota person I find these items extremely offensive, and whenever I come across them I always like to approach the store owner or sales person, and explain just how I feel. Now, I guess many of you are going to think I am being silly over this, but I find this a very bad example to set to children whom I presume would be tha main consumers of this candy. What kind of a message is it sending to these childrem? There is even a picture I think of an 'indian' on the wrapper! Each time I approach about this problem, I speak calmly and quietly, and attempt to explain why I am offended and ask if they would please remove the item form display and preferably from stock. I say to people, ok, how about if this thing was some kind of licorice candy? Would they have it on their counter if it was called Blackskins or Niggers? Of course, they usually protest that of course they wouldn't thing of doing such a thing...and of course they shouldn't either! My next reply then, is what is the difference between calling this red chewy candy a 'Redskin' and a piece of licorice a Blackskin or a nigger? I must hasten to add here, that personally, I would never use such words, they are not even in my vocabulary and are used here purely for the comparison! My people and all my brothers and sisters of the native american nations have strong feelings for our aboriginal brothers and sisters here. But Please can someone see what I am saying? I am very sad today Sioux --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Tent Embassy
Aboriginal Tent Embassy Speaking Tour: the voices of Aboriginal resistance Date:Wed 11 August 1999 Phone:4229 4209 Location:NSW 1pm Speakers: Isabell Coe; Wadjularbinna Nulyarimma and Ray Swan plus didgeridoo player UNSW CLB4 some events Aboriginal Tent Embassy Speaking Tour: the voices of Aboriginal resistance Date:Wed 11 August 1999 Phone:4229 4209 Location:NSW 7pm Speakers: Isabell Coe; Wadjularbinna Nulyarimma and Ray Swan plus didgeridoo player (2) Gaelic Club, 64 Devonshire St., Surry Hills Aboriginal Tent Embassy meeting Date:3 August 1999 Group:Aboriginal Tent Embassy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone:02 4229 4209 Location:NSW Meeting featuring Isabell Coe; Wadjularbinna Nulyarimma; Ray Swan UniBar, University of Wollongong cheers susanne martain --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Tent Embassy
Nothing heard on whether the Tour is coming to Victoria at any time, susanna??? Just wonderin' wistfully. Neshoba At 08:38 AM 8/2/99 +1000, you wrote: Aboriginal Tent Embassy Speaking Tour: the voices of Aboriginal resistance Date:Wed 11 August 1999 Phone:4229 4209 Location:NSW 1pm Speakers: Isabell Coe; Wadjularbinna Nulyarimma and Ray Swan plus didgeridoo player UNSW CLB4 some events Aboriginal Tent Embassy Speaking Tour: the voices of Aboriginal resistance Date:Wed 11 August 1999 Phone:4229 4209 Location:NSW 7pm Speakers: Isabell Coe; Wadjularbinna Nulyarimma and Ray Swan plus didgeridoo player (2) Gaelic Club, 64 Devonshire St., Surry Hills Aboriginal Tent Embassy meeting Date:3 August 1999 Group:Aboriginal Tent Embassy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone:02 4229 4209 Location:NSW Meeting featuring Isabell Coe; Wadjularbinna Nulyarimma; Ray Swan UniBar, University of Wollongong cheers susanne martain --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Males
Lance Kelly wrote: Trudy, If I was female I would be asking what about the females wheres their voice?. Would you see this as a problem too? I dont have a problem with asking for males to speak up, because in the field of human endeavours they are few and far between. That doesn't discount your gender from commentingmy personal aim however is to encourage males to speak up. I didn't start the gender wars however I'm a victim of it, ...now I want to be a survivorMy aim in life is existing for men thats my language thats my state of being. Ive spent quite a of time now looking at the statistics in this country and males are not doing well at and especially aboriginal males so when ever I talk about things on issues I will push for the plight of males, because thats what I know about. This is the same thing women have done with feminist thought. I make no apology for this. When aboriginal men regain their sense of dignity and self - worth in society then we will have some equity happening. Sorry if this upsets you Trudy but until its accepted and theres' something done about Im not about to change my view on this. As a male I dont think you or any feminist can see me as an equal person. Because you blame my gender for everything that is wrong in society, this hurts us as males and because we dont have the same communication style that you do we are already in a position of subservience. You will notice that I talk about my own gender because I cannot be female. I'm male and I come from that perpective. Regards, Lance. When did I blame your gender for everything that is wrong in society? I also don't subscribe to gender 'wars'. Men and women do not live in a vacuum and dignity for either is not possible until they both have it and that goes for Aboriginal people as well as non-Aboriginal people. Trudy --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] Redskins? Blacksins? Niggers?
Lance Kelly wrote , we should be grasping the words and celibrating the fact that by the name redskin, blackskin, whiteskin, yellowskin or any other skin that people are at least being acknowledged for who we are. Lance, We are more than the colour of our skins. To claim that our skin colour defines ''who we are" is rubbish. E.G. The colour of my skin is indescribable in less than 2000words (approx.)---By your definition of ''who we are'', I don't exist, and as you can see by my meanderings, I do exist---so you are demonstrably wrong, Lance. Keep your eye on the bottom line, Lance---what Sioux says is correct ---we are inundated with racist messages and it is about time we did something about it. Laurie. Laurie and Desley Forde [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Sioux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 5:45 PM Subject: [recoznet2] Redskins? Blacksins? Niggers? Hau kola-pi, Just a thought. I have recently been abused in a store when asking fro the removal of an item which I find grossly offensive from the counter top. In fact I have had various reactions when I have come across this before and spoken to the store owner or counter person. The offensive item are candies called 'Redskins'. A kind of red chewy thing! As a Lakhota person I find these items extremely offensive, and whenever I come across them I always like to approach the store owner or sales person, and explain just how I feel. Now, I guess many of you are going to think I am being silly over this, but I find this a very bad example to set to children whom I presume would be tha main consumers of this candy. What kind of a message is it sending to these childrem? There is even a picture I think of an 'indian' on the wrapper! Each time I approach about this problem, I speak calmly and quietly, and attempt to explain why I am offended and ask if they would please remove the item form display and preferably from stock. I say to people, ok, how about if this thing was some kind of licorice candy? Would they have it on their counter if it was called Blackskins or Niggers? Of course, they usually protest that of course they wouldn't thing of doing such a thing...and of course they shouldn't either! My next reply then, is what is the difference between calling this red chewy candy a 'Redskin' and a piece of licorice a Blackskin or a nigger? I must hasten to add here, that personally, I would never use such words, they are not even in my vocabulary and are used here purely for the comparison! My people and all my brothers and sisters of the native american nations have strong feelings for our aboriginal brothers and sisters here. But Please can someone see what I am saying? I am very sad today Sioux --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it
[recoznet2] Redskins? Blackskins? Niggers?
Lance, I am sure the European philosophers such as Derrida, Foucault, Barthes and Lyotard would surprised to say the least to hear that '..all they are is words.' This is a very ridiculous statement to make. Every word carries, in each environmental context, a greater or lesser amount of emotional baggage. When in the Northern Territory I always referred to Aboriginal People at Blackfellas and they referred to me as a whitefella. In the Territory at that time these terms were almost looked upon as terms of endearment. When I first visited the outstaion of Punmu in Western Australia for a meeting I made a reference to Blackfellas. Immediately I knew I had done the wrong thing and have not used that term since. After the meeting I spoke to Ditch (an elder) who told me how the predominant term for Aboriginal People in the West had been Blackfella and thus had become associated with the very severe putting down of Aboriginal Peoples in the West. The equivilant term in the NT was 'nigger'. Lance might I suggest that if all the people you knew and met began to call you a bastard that eventually you would begin to believe of yourself all the stereotypes of being born illegitimate? Have you ever consdered the nature of 'mythology? If not may I suggest you read the last pages of 'Mythologies' by Roland Barthes and then of course there is that memorable quote from Lyotard in hid 'Le Differend: 'In the naming vengeance is on the prowl always.' (p56). So Lance might I suggest that you give such statements as '...all they are is words' a little more consideration before sounding off. PS. I once saw a pakeha sent to hospital to repair the damage after he 'innocently' called a group of Maori Darkies. So, maybe there is a practical aspect of our use of language as well. ___ Ian J. Henderson Murdoch University 24 Harfleur Place Humanities Hamilton Hill Murdoch, 6150. Western Australia, 6163 Tel and Fax: (08) 94183972 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
[recoznet2] Redskins? Blackskins? Niggers?
Lance, Last night I listened - late - to two addresses organised by the Brisbane Institute. The first was by Mark Latham and the second by Noel Pearson. Unfortunately both men have become 'marked' by recent out of context statements attributed to them, both on the nature of Welfare. In view of Lance's 'Actions always speak louder than words' - I dispute the word 'always' - I thought these two addresses most relevant. In each case they were speaking about the social numbing that is the result of continued welfare, even into generation after generation. I thought this seminar was well constructed in that a non-Aboriginal person was advocating for his people and an Aboriginal man was advocating for his peoples. In actual fact there were more similarities than differences. The primary suggestion was introduction of what was called 'innovative, entrepreneurial welfare'. In other words instead of over arching welfare, which is supposed to fit everyone's needs and manages to probably fit very few, we encourage welfare on a case by case basis. Mark gave three examples,two in Australia and one in England to illustrate what he meant. Each involved cooperation between certain authorities - usually in the form of 'bending rules to allow the scheme to fit' and encouragement;even certain financial assistance. They were not gradiose schemes but they involved those partaking in imaginative work which resulted in reduced crime statistics and other evidence of a regained social interest. Noel Pearson was on a similar track: it is no use trying to induce Aboriginal Peoples health with an imposed European system. As Noel has said on several occasions '... my people are not useless. They can think and work things out.' During my stay in the Territory I so often saw this and tried in my own small way to encourage this attitude. As I was at the time working for a Government Dept. this procedure was often criticised. I was once criticised for not spending enough money. This was a time when on the outstations I was helping the Peoples to build houses out of bashed down ant hills, bark and saplings. Primitive? Degrading? To us maybe but those people loved them: if someone died in a house it could be deserted or burned; if they wished to move on they could; if they were left they did not become a ruin they became compost. I was roundly criticised for these houses but not by those that lived in them. When the People begin to live much more sedentary lives their needs change as do the homes they live in but they are still idiosyncratic as would be expected. Considering health. My firm belief is that the most constructive way to overcome the terrible health statistics is to restore the People's connection to the land. Think of the diseases ravaging Aboriginal Peoples: diabetes, heart conditions, obesity, and cancer. The illnesses are all induced by some form of addictive behaviour: overeating, alcoholism, smoking and other drug taking of various types. All addictive behaviours are, in my experience, induced by an inability to cope with life. As an alcoholic my aim when drinking was to get sober - that is normal. Despite forty years of trying I never did succeed. So what is the relationship between establishing the connection with the land and health? The connection will allow the Peoples to develop their own way of life which, in my experience, was very healthy. And, last night I was watching the Compass programme on ABC and said to Carolyn at one stage, "I remember being at several Aboriginal corroborees on Groote Eylandt in which each went for three days without stopping. This was Aboriginal People's spirituality. They became one with their environment; the throbbing and tinkling music with the movements; day turned to night and as the night wore and the fire reflected an orange light on the dancers there was a sense of oneness, of completeness. The Peoples were confident, open and sparkled. They were once more part of a creation. I strongly believe that the advent of food rationing stations - later superseded by supermarkets - did more harm to Aboriginal peoples than the massacres and the rest (although not the stolen generations) because it took away the reason for the men to be. They became almost irrelevant and drifters. The children became the hunters, it was they who hunted for food on the supermarket shelves. Sure the reason d'etre for the men can and will change eventually, but it will be assisted greatly by being able to retain enough of their culture, spirituality, and encouragement as Noel Pearson is advocating. They can, and must, become the masters of their own destiny. Sovereignty for them means just this. Not of their own Government or land but of their own minds. I am hoping that the addresses from last night will be placed on the ABC web pages for I think they could represent a turning point in our relations with the People. And Lance, a large part of this will be how we use words. We are NOT allowed to
Re: [recoznet2] People of Red, Black, Yellow, White colours.
Maybe I believe in mythologies, they seem important to me as anyones writing. Its amazing the comments responses I have received with this, I may have touched some peoples nerves I suppose. Ian its obviously not rediculous as it may seem to you. Not everyone is as well read as you espouse yourself. Thats the issue as well. People who are academics espouse all the foundations from reading books. I come from the education of the land and the people and life experience. In Facoults suggestion of what the "Gaze" is, I think you will find my meaning. I have raised these issues as I believe there is dualism in society and that people arent being true to themselves. I had a racist father, he was still my father I still learnt from him, I still loved him, I couldnt change him. But the thing I liked about him was that he had genuineness and the broad community loved him for his ability to be genuine and truthfull. I never knew that until I saw the hundreds of people I never knew turn up for his funeral and the comments they made. This made me see that there is more to life than what words can express. As a child of 12 yrs I was beat up by group of aboriginal men. Until I left the community went away to school and come back I had an abhorent disgust for aboriginal people. In my mind they were all violent people and the white culture in which I lived did nothing to provide me with any different way to think. In fact I feared being anywhere near an aboriginal person. I came home to school at 15 yrs and met up with an aboriginal guy who changed my view of the way I thought about aboriginal people. He didnt do this by words but by his actions with me and the way he played footy or encouraged me. I developed some respect for him and like wise the people (race of people) he represented gained new meaning for me. (oxymoron?) Fair enough I was a bit young then to understand what it all meant. But for me it meant a lot later in life. What Im trying to say it was not words that changed my ways of being but actions and I think that is also true in respect of the conversation here. Anyway good converstion I think it deserves more. Linguisticly yours, Lance. Regards, Lance. - Original Message - From: Ian Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Recoznet2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:14 PM Subject: [recoznet2] Redskins? Blackskins? Niggers? Lance, I am sure the European philosophers such as Derrida, Foucault, Barthes and Lyotard would surprised to say the least to hear that '..all they are is words.' This is a very ridiculous statement to make. Every word carries, in each environmental context, a greater or lesser amount of emotional baggage. When in the Northern Territory I always referred to Aboriginal People at Blackfellas and they referred to me as a whitefella. In the Territory at that time these terms were almost looked upon as terms of endearment. When I first visited the outstaion of Punmu in Western Australia for a meeting I made a reference to Blackfellas. Immediately I knew I had done the wrong thing and have not used that term since. After the meeting I spoke to Ditch (an elder) who told me how the predominant term for Aboriginal People in the West had been Blackfella and thus had become associated with the very severe putting down of Aboriginal Peoples in the West. The equivilant term in the NT was 'nigger'. Lance might I suggest that if all the people you knew and met began to call you a bastard that eventually you would begin to believe of yourself all the stereotypes of being born illegitimate? Have you ever consdered the nature of 'mythology? If not may I suggest you read the last pages of 'Mythologies' by Roland Barthes and then of course there is that memorable quote from Lyotard in hid 'Le Differend: 'In the naming vengeance is on the prowl always.' (p56). So Lance might I suggest that you give such statements as '...all they are is words' a little more consideration before sounding off. PS. I once saw a pakeha sent to hospital to repair the damage after he 'innocently' called a group of Maori Darkies. So, maybe there is a practical aspect of our use of language as well. ___ Ian J. Henderson Murdoch University 24 Harfleur Place Humanities Hamilton Hill Murdoch, 6150. Western Australia, 6163 Tel and Fax: (08) 94183972 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the
[recoznet2] Report from Geneva: FAIRA NIWG
The attached papers, by FAIRA and NIWG, were presented to the meeting of the Working Group on Indigenous Populations (WGIP) in Geneva on 26-30 July. The shorter version of Item 7 was read out while the longer version was tabled. Re Item 11, this paper was tabled but not read out, as the time for Item 11 was 'cut out' because of the lack of time. ___ Les Malezer General Manager FAIRA Aboriginal Corporation Deputy Chairperson National Indigenous Working Group on Native Title NIWG Attending: Working Group on Indigenous Peoples United Nations Geneva Mobile: 0419 710720 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.faira.org.au Foundation for Aboriginal and Islander Research Action FAIRA REPORT / INTERVENTION ON AGENDA ITEM 11 Working Group on Indigenous Populations Seventeenth Session 26-30 July 1999 Agenda Item 11 Participation in the prepatory work of the World Conference to Combat Racism and Racial Discrimination Madam Chair The decision by the United Nations General Assembly that a World Conference to Combat Racism should be held during 2001 is the culmination of the International Decade to Combat Racism and arises from the frustration felt by many that efforts to combat racism are are not working. Madam Chair, the Indigenous Peoples in Australia share this frustration. No other group in Australia suffers racial discrimination to the same extent as that suffered by the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples. Since 1996, the Australian Government has significantly reduced the budget of the Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission and has signalled its intention to change the nature of the Commission so that no single Commissioner will have responsibility for racial discrimination - neither will there be a Commissioner with specific responsibility for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice. The Australian Government has also deferred decisions about funding projects to combat racism - monies which were originally budgeted for an anti racism campaign in 1996/97 were not allocated until 1998/99, and when it finally allocated funds, not a single dollar went to applications from Indigenous organisations. Furthermore, the Australian Government has passed legislation which the CERD Committee has determined to be racially discriminatory and, instead of heeding the advice of the Committee, has sought to undermine its credibility. The Australian Government says that there had to be a balancing of interests. This obviously means that it no longer considers the elimination of racial discrimination to be absolute but something which can be compromised if it, in its wisdom, sees fit. It is the intention that the regions of the world conduct preliminary regional conferences leading up to the World Conference; indeed, I understand Europe has already organised such a regional conference. I also understand that, for the purposes of these regional meetings, Australia is considered part of the Asia/Pacific region. To date, Madam Chair, there has been no indications from the Australian Government that it intends either to facilitate or participate in such a regional meeting. We strongly urge the Australian Government to actively promote, organise and participate in a regional meeting with an emphasis on Racism against Indigenous Peoples. Madam Chair. We recommend that the organising body, the Human Rights Commission, include as a theme in the World Conference: the Elimination of Racial Discrimination against Indigenous Peoples. Madam Chair. The media, including the internet, is identified as being a vehicle for the dissemination of racist ideas and incitement to racial hatred. As we know, much of the worldÕs media is controlled by a few multi-national corporations. We recommend that the World Conference to Combat Racism studies the role of the media in this era of mass communication, particularly as it affects Indigenous Peoples - not just how the media and the internet is used to incite racial hatred but, conversely, how Indigenous Peoples can be assisted to use media and the internet to eliminate racial discrimination. Madam Chair. I mentioned earlier this week that the Special Rapporteur on Racism, Xenophobia and related matters was due to visit Australia in 1998 - the same year that the Australian Government legislated to racially discriminate against Indigenous land holders in its amendments to the Native Title Act. The Government advised the Special Rapporteur that he should not visit because a Federal election was due and that racial discrimination was no longer a problem - totally misleading the Special Rapporteur. Needless to say, his visit did not proceed. Following the CERD decision in March this year that the amendments to the Native Title Act were racially discriminatory, the Special Rapporteur amended his report on Australia to the Human Rights Commission.We strongly urge the Special Rapporteur to reconsider
Re: [recoznet2] ABC TV Compass: Rainbow Spirit Theology
Amazing. Or is it? Now they want to steal their religion using Matthew Fox as a co-conspirator. I am sure he would not be pleased to see his work used for such a devious purpose. ___ Ian J. Henderson Murdoch University 24 Harfleur Place Humanities Hamilton Hill Murdoch, 6150. Western Australia, 6163 Tel and Fax: (08) 94183972 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ - Original Message - From: Trudy and Rod Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RecOzNet2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 1 August 1999 5:04 Subject: [recoznet2] ABC TV Compass: Rainbow Spirit Theology On ABC TV tonight: 10:10 pm. Compass Rainbow Spirit Theology (In another coup of masterful expression...) Looks at the contentious issue of incorporating traditional Aboriginal 'mythology' into Christian 'theology'. Quotation marks are mine. The put-downs are very subtle but they are unmistakable! Trudy --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] People of Red, Black, Yellow, White colours.
Lance, But where do you think all those actions came from? Initially they were words and concepts in your mind. As for learning from books I would suggest you read my later post of this day. One of the things about the e-mail is that one often does not know who one is speaking to. To fill you in, yes I am an academic: BArch (Melb); BA and Hons. (Politics, philosophy and Sociology), MA (Philosophy), the latter two at Murdoch Uni.; Dip. Fine Art (Victorian National Gallery) and currently finishing a Ph.D. thesis entitled "The Bureaucratic Construction of Aboriginal Peoples.' I spent sixteen years working with Aboriginal Peoples in the Northern Territory and 12 months in Western Australia. My next birthday, which will be in the next couple of weeks, will be my seventy first. I tell you all of this not to skite but to let you know where I am coming from. ___ Ian J. Henderson Murdoch University 24 Harfleur Place Humanities Hamilton Hill Murdoch, 6150. Western Australia, 6163 Tel and Fax: (08) 94183972 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: [recoznet2] People of Red, Black, Yellow, White colours.
That gives me anadmiration for you for what you have acheived Ian. But as I was saying academics hold power and like what you have no thrown back at me ie your qualifications, your age your experience still means you want power over others in what you say and do. No matter what it is you have moved through this process of hegemony which doesnt equate to the large majority of peoples in society. Most of us have no knowledge of worldly things and want to just exist comfortability and without intimidating out of context language words that have just been redeciphered to mean exactly the same thing ...but makes one perosn more comfortable in one area and another less comfortable because they have had to aspire to it (the words). Rather than placing it back on a "dare I say it" level playing field, it is used against people in society to shame them or harrass them into change. Example if I say "there goes a nice a good lookin' sheila" someone is going to get the back up and say "No Lance, there goes a good looking woman"its pretty simple I would have thought. We are using subjective arguments all the time to deal with objectively orientated problems ad issues. - Original Message - From: Ian Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [recoznet2] People of Red, Black, Yellow, White colours. Lance, But where do you think all those actions came from? Initially they were words and concepts in your mind. As for learning from books I would suggest you read my later post of this day. One of the things about the e-mail is that one often does not know who one is speaking to. To fill you in, yes I am an academic: BArch (Melb); BA and Hons. (Politics, philosophy and Sociology), MA (Philosophy), the latter two at Murdoch Uni.; Dip. Fine Art (Victorian National Gallery) and currently finishing a Ph.D. thesis entitled "The Bureaucratic Construction of Aboriginal Peoples.' I spent sixteen years working with Aboriginal Peoples in the Northern Territory and 12 months in Western Australia. My next birthday, which will be in the next couple of weeks, will be my seventy first. I tell you all of this not to skite but to let you know where I am coming from. ___ Ian J. Henderson Murdoch University 24 Harfleur Place Humanities Hamilton Hill Murdoch, 6150. Western Australia, 6163 Tel and Fax: (08) 94183972 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/ --- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/
