Re: Subject: Re: Netscape screwup
you can also configure squid to prevent banner ads. Check out ad zapper if you run the squid proxy. At 03:22 PM 3/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: >On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 12:42:58PM -0600 or thereabouts, Vidiot wrote: > > > Isn't there a fast and smart program that can be placed between the >browser > > and the net that read the HTML coming back to the browser that removes >the > > ad links from the incoming web page, replacing them with "nothing?" > >Yep, check out webwasher for linux which will run on a proxy, even kills >web dots, etc.. Have used it for years, it seems. use google to find >it, as I don' have the URL off hand. > >-- >Best regards, >Gary > > > > >___ >Redhat-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:19:04 -0800 (PST) David Talkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled in frustration: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >Rick Warner wrote: > >>My web team tests against the top 5 browsers ... > >IE, NS, Moz, Opera ... Konqueror? Left out Galeon.. Mike -- "He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you., he really is an idiot." -Groucho Marx ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, David Talkington wrote: > The usual problem with these numbers is that they don't account for > the Opera users who choose to identify their software as MSIE to keep > from being locked out of poorly written sites ... Exactly. Opera rocks. Cheers, -- Richard Potter RHCE Re/Max Kingston, ON CANADA ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 04:45:58PM -0600, Vidiot wrote: > >Mozilla does a lot of this too, but I don't think we are talking the > >same degree of flexibility. [...] > OK, is the above for Netscape (which version) or opera? It would effect any and all content passing through the proxy. It effects pages before they hit the browser, so browser-neutral. > Where is this file? If you've downloaded ijbswa, it is /etc/junkbuster/re_filterfile. Actually the ijb.actions file does more kinds of stuff. The re_filterfile is strictly for dynamically rewriting page content. I was pointing that out as an example of flexibility primarily :) You want to do most of the cookie, ads/banners/popup configuration with the ijb.actions file (formerly blocklist). If you downloaded the RH-7.x rpms, there is HTML docs there too that explains most of this. You can talk directly to the proxy at http://i.j.b/ if its running, and do a certain amount of configuration there too. -- Hal Burgiss ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
>Which sites? Make sure you're using the latest one. The last >"technology preview" occasionally crashed mysteriously, but I've had >very little trouble with the latest. I'll grab the latest and they them again. MB -- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is God's job to forgive bin Laden. It is our job to set up the meeting. U.S. Marine Corp. Visit - URL: http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN) ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hal Burgiss wrote: >On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 05:26:49PM -0500, Hal Burgiss wrote: > >> > For what it's worth, Opera can do a lot of that stuff for you -- GIF >> > de-animation, blocking of popups, tight (and flexible) control over >> > cookies, user-configurable stylesheets. >> >> Mozilla does a lot of this too, but I don't think we are talking the >> same degree of flexibility. > >PS -- Another benefit here is if you use multiple browsers, or have a >LAN, you just configure the proxy, and everybody gets the same >benefit. I use w3m, Mozilla, Netscape, and occasionally lynx, on >multiple boxes, for instance, and just have the proxy run on the >LAN gateway. Good point. - -d - -- David Talkington PGP key: http://www.prairienet.org/~dtalk/0xCA4C11AD.pgp - -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/pale_blue_dot.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iQA/AwUBPIvi8b9BpdPKTBGtEQIF9ACg3JkfAI9n0I2mluLzBOypv+/39MoAoO62 IkdK/N493KMqJ2cfKA4RWZa/ =AvLj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vidiot wrote: >I'd switch to opera, if it were to have less bugs. It has trouble displaying >many sites I visit. Which sites? Make sure you're using the latest one. The last "technology preview" occasionally crashed mysteriously, but I've had very little trouble with the latest. - -d - -- David Talkington PGP key: http://www.prairienet.org/~dtalk/0xCA4C11AD.pgp - -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/pale_blue_dot.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iQA/AwUBPIvi0r9BpdPKTBGtEQLFOgCeIXghszroF3n2wJtf08sMlZXc3LIAnRVE ngUN6enc+lAKDD0T0xO39yv3 =xorc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
>Mozilla does a lot of this too, but I don't think we are talking the
>same degree of flexibility.
>
>Quote from the re_filterfile (filters/modifies web page content), and
>some other examples to demonstrate flexibility:
>
># /
># The status bar is for displaying link targets, not pointless descriptions.
># Again, check it out on http://www.airport-cgn.de/
># /
>s/status='.*?';*//ig
>
># /
># Kill OnUnload popups. Yummy.
># check it out on http://www.zdnet.com/zdsubs/yahoo/tree/yfs.html
># /
>s/()/$1never$2/i
>
># /
># Kill refresh tags. I like to refresh myself. Manually.
># check it out on http://www.airport-cgn.de/ and go to the arrivals page.
># /
># only if content value isn't 0..1
># FIXME: second line like first line for content value
>s/]*http-equiv[^>]*refresh.*([0-9]+[0-9]|"[2-9]);URL=([^>]*?)"?>/rev="x-refresh" href=$2>/i
>s/]*http-equiv="?page-enter"?[^>]*content=[^>]*>//i
>
># /
># Get rid of Javascript cookies, like found on privacy.net:
># /
>s|(document\.cookie)([ \t\r\n]*=)|documenZapCooky$2|g
>
># /
># Squish WebBugs:
># /
>s/]*?(width|height)\s*=\s*['"]?1\D[^>]*?(width|height)\s*=\s*['"]?1(\D[^>]*?)?>//sig
>
># /
># Fun stuff
># /
>s/microsoft(?!.com)/MicroSuck/ig
>
># /
># Remove Nimda code.
># /
>s%(window\.open|1;''\.concat)\("readme\.eml", null,
>"resizable=no,top=6000,left=6000"\)%Internet
>JUNKcolor="red">BUSTER WARNING: This Server is infected
>with http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-26.html";>Nimda!%g
OK, is the above for Netscape (which version) or opera?
Where is this file?
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Re: Netscape screwup
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 05:26:49PM -0500, Hal Burgiss wrote: > > For what it's worth, Opera can do a lot of that stuff for you -- GIF > > de-animation, blocking of popups, tight (and flexible) control over > > cookies, user-configurable stylesheets. > > Mozilla does a lot of this too, but I don't think we are talking the > same degree of flexibility. PS -- Another benefit here is if you use multiple browsers, or have a LAN, you just configure the proxy, and everybody gets the same benefit. I use w3m, Mozilla, Netscape, and occasionally lynx, on multiple boxes, for instance, and just have the proxy run on the LAN gateway. -- Hal Burgiss ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
>For what it's worth, Opera can do a lot of that stuff for you -- GIF >de-animation, blocking of popups, tight (and flexible) control over >cookies, user-configurable stylesheets. >David Talkington I'd switch to opera, if it were to have less bugs. It has trouble displaying many sites I visit. But, it is getting there. MB -- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is God's job to forgive bin Laden. It is our job to set up the meeting. U.S. Marine Corp. Visit - URL: http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN) ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
>This a continuation of the old Junkbuster, with a lot of enhancements. >Quoting from docs: >Hal Burgiss Thanks. MB -- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is God's job to forgive bin Laden. It is our job to set up the meeting. U.S. Marine Corp. Visit - URL: http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN) ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 01:55:12PM -0800, David Talkington wrote:
> Hal Burgiss wrote:
>
> >http://ijbswa.sourceforge.net
> >
> >This a continuation of the old Junkbuster, with a lot of enhancements.
> >Quoting from docs:
>
> For what it's worth, Opera can do a lot of that stuff for you -- GIF
> de-animation, blocking of popups, tight (and flexible) control over
> cookies, user-configurable stylesheets.
Mozilla does a lot of this too, but I don't think we are talking the
same degree of flexibility.
> What is meant by "status bar abuse" in this context?
Quote from the re_filterfile (filters/modifies web page content), and
some other examples to demonstrate flexibility:
# /
# The status bar is for displaying link targets, not pointless descriptions.
# Again, check it out on http://www.airport-cgn.de/
# /
s/status='.*?';*//ig
# /
# Kill OnUnload popups. Yummy.
# check it out on http://www.zdnet.com/zdsubs/yahoo/tree/yfs.html
# /
s/()/$1never$2/i
# /
# Kill refresh tags. I like to refresh myself. Manually.
# check it out on http://www.airport-cgn.de/ and go to the arrivals page.
# /
# only if content value isn't 0..1
# FIXME: second line like first line for content value
s/]*http-equiv[^>]*refresh.*([0-9]+[0-9]|"[2-9]);URL=([^>]*?)"?>//i
s/]*http-equiv="?page-enter"?[^>]*content=[^>]*>//i
# /
# Get rid of Javascript cookies, like found on privacy.net:
# /
s|(document\.cookie)([ \t\r\n]*=)|documenZapCooky$2|g
# /
# Squish WebBugs:
# /
s/]*?(width|height)\s*=\s*['"]?1\D[^>]*?(width|height)\s*=\s*['"]?1(\D[^>]*?)?>//sig
# /
# Fun stuff
# /
s/microsoft(?!.com)/MicroSuck/ig
# /
# Remove Nimda code.
# /
s%(window\.open|1;''\.concat)\("readme\.eml", null,
"resizable=no,top=6000,left=6000"\)%Internet
JUNKBUSTER WARNING: This Server is infected
with http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-26.html";>Nimda!%g
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Re: Netscape screwup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hal Burgiss wrote: >http://ijbswa.sourceforge.net > >This a continuation of the old Junkbuster, with a lot of enhancements. >Quoting from docs: For what it's worth, Opera can do a lot of that stuff for you -- GIF de-animation, blocking of popups, tight (and flexible) control over cookies, user-configurable stylesheets. > * Web page content filtering (removes banners based on size, invisible >"web-bugs", JavaScript, pop-ups, status bar abuse, etc.) What is meant by "status bar abuse" in this context? - -d - -- David Talkington PGP key: http://www.prairienet.org/~dtalk/0xCA4C11AD.pgp - -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/pale_blue_dot.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iQA/AwUBPIvWQ79BpdPKTBGtEQIGBQCfaMK/P6qIJR3/gdbIEil26tLQmGYAoL7g K2+ZRsUvLIMEzHMnQSArYmdI =paPA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 12:42:58PM -0600, Vidiot wrote: > > Isn't there a fast and smart program that can be placed between the browser > and the net that read the HTML coming back to the browser that removes the > ad links from the incoming web page, replacing them with "nothing?" http://ijbswa.sourceforge.net This a continuation of the old Junkbuster, with a lot of enhancements. Quoting from docs: In addition to Junkbuster's traditional features of ad and banner blocking and cookie management, this is a list of new features currently under development: * Integrated browser based configuration and control utility (http://i.j.b). Browser-based tracing of rule and filter effects. * Blocking of annoying pop-up browser windows. * HTTP/1.1 compliant (most, but not all 1.1 features are supported). * Support for Perl Compatible Regular Expressions in the configuration files, and generally a more sophisticated and flexible configuration syntax over previous versions. * GIF de-animation. * Web page content filtering (removes banners based on size, invisible "web-bugs", JavaScript, pop-ups, status bar abuse, etc.) * Bypass many click-tracking scripts (avoids script redirection). * Multi-threaded (POSIX and native threads). * Auto-detection and re-reading of config file changes. * User-customizable HTML templates (e.g. 404 error page). * Improved cookie management features (e.g. session based cookies). -- Hal Burgiss ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Subject: Re: Netscape screwup
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 12:42:58PM -0600 or thereabouts, Vidiot wrote: > Isn't there a fast and smart program that can be placed between the browser > and the net that read the HTML coming back to the browser that removes the > ad links from the incoming web page, replacing them with "nothing?" Yep, check out webwasher for linux which will run on a proxy, even kills web dots, etc.. Have used it for years, it seems. use google to find it, as I don' have the URL off hand. -- Best regards, Gary ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
Cameron Simpson responded: I found my problem. A while back, and I totally forgot that I did it, someone posted a bunch of as site URLs, which were then put into your local host file and redirected to your localhost 127.0.0.1 address. Well, Netscape doesn't like that. It effectively strips off the URL and asks my web server to supply the ad page, which it can't. I think opera gets around the problem because the ad request starts another page, which would contain the error. After removing all the entries, things are much better. >By the way, your pain can be lessened with this tool: > > http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/adzap/ I might think about this. Looking at squid, it wants lots of disc space to do its caching, space I really don't want to give up for that. If squid can be configured to run really tiny for cache and not cause a performance hit on my box, I just might do that. But, if I am reading everything correctly, it doesn't make the ads pages that pop up go away, it just replaces them with a small gif, or whatever you want. That means those popups will still pop up :-( Either way, I still have to close them. Isn't there a fast and smart program that can be placed between the browser and the net that read the HTML coming back to the browser that removes the ad links from the incoming web page, replacing them with "nothing?" MB -- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is God's job to forgive bin Laden. It is our job to set up the meeting. U.S. Marine Corp. Visit - URL: http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN) ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ed Wilts wrote: >My web site reports (from analog) the following from the last 6 months: > >1. MSIE/5 >2. MSIE/6 >3. Mozilla/4 >4. MSIE/4 >5. Mozilla/5 >6. Netscape (compatible) > >A Mac browser made it into the 23rd spot. There are no other non-Windows >systems that cracked the top 40 once I take out the search engines. The usual problem with these numbers is that they don't account for the Opera users who choose to identify their software as MSIE to keep from being locked out of poorly written sites ... - -d - -- David Talkington PGP key: http://www.prairienet.org/~dtalk/0xCA4C11AD.pgp - -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/pale_blue_dot.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iQA/AwUBPIucnL9BpdPKTBGtEQJuYgCfdcMEIG+tPH4mggfVJHJ1ykwgyJYAn3qV tJ8CGeHC55Cq3xEEpE2trE4M =pWb2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
> >My web team tests against the top 5 browsers ... > > IE, NS, Moz, Opera ... Konqueror? My web site reports (from analog) the following from the last 6 months: 1. MSIE/5 2. MSIE/6 3. Mozilla/4 4. MSIE/4 5. Mozilla/5 6. Netscape (compatible) A Mac browser made it into the 23rd spot. There are no other non-Windows systems that cracked the top 40 once I take out the search engines. WebTV browsers requested 3 times more pages than Linux. .../Ed Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Warner wrote: >My web team tests against the top 5 browsers ... IE, NS, Moz, Opera ... Konqueror? - -d - -- David Talkington PGP key: http://www.prairienet.org/~dtalk/0xCA4C11AD.pgp - -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/pale_blue_dot.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iQA/AwUBPIuVjL9BpdPKTBGtEQLwQQCg/SaiC09HfT34OXZEUt/ePf+f3o8AoPPi ktdmBdpVDjdDlzTlIIoMoqhS =fLwj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
Browsers tend to be sensitive to improperly written HTML. IE used to be the most sensitve, Netscape is now. Bet if you go through the HTML you will find a tag that is not ended properly or that has a syntax error. A good webmaster would test against all browsers, but few do. I always send complaints to webmaster@xyz when I find these situations ... if they are going to put up a web page they should make sure it works with all browsers. My web team tests against the top 5 browsers ... - rick On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Vidiot wrote: > What the hell is going on with Netscape? I have the 4.77 RPM version installed > on RH7.1 and the damn thing is screwing up URLs way too often. > > For example: > > >http://ad.doubleclick.net/adj/ccmain.superstitial/homepage;dcopt=ist;abr=!webtv;sz=1x1;ord=1657586323? > > Comes back as: > > Not Found > > The requested URL >/adj/ccmain.superstitial/homepage;dcopt=ist;abr=!webtv;sz=1x1;ord=1657586323 was not >found on > this server. > > Apache/1.3.19 Server at mrvideo.vidiot.com Port 80 > > > While I can't stand those damn ads, the error screws up the display of the > real page. The same real page displays correctly via opera. > > Anyone know what is going on? > > MB > -- > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is God's job to forgive bin Laden. > It is our job to set up the meeting. > U.S. Marine Corp. > Visit - URL: http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN) > > > > ___ > Redhat-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list > ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Netscape screwup
On 22:38 09 Mar 2002, Vidiot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | What the hell is going on with Netscape? I have the 4.77 RPM version installed | on RH7.1 and the damn thing is screwing up URLs way too often. | | For example: | | |http://ad.doubleclick.net/adj/ccmain.superstitial/homepage;dcopt=ist;abr=!webtv;sz=1x1;ord=1657586323? | | Comes back as: | | Not Found | | The requested URL |/adj/ccmain.superstitial/homepage;dcopt=ist;abr=!webtv;sz=1x1;ord=1657586323 was not |found on | this server. | | Apache/1.3.19 Server at mrvideo.vidiot.com Port 80 | | | While I can't stand those damn ads, the error screws up the display of the | real page. The same real page displays correctly via opera. | | Anyone know what is going on? Yeah. If it's what I've seen before then there are two bugs here. The first bug is from the losers at doubleclick. They has transcribed a URL in the HTML source with embedded whitespace. (It varies - sometimes embedded spaces, but usually some cockup with a leading or training newline in the HREF="..." part). This is TOTALLY ILLEGAL. The other bug is from netscape. Regardless of the crap found in the HTML, netscape shouldn't be _asking_ for a URL with embedded whitespace. An HTTP request for a document (or image or whatever) looks like this: GET URL HTTP/1.1 and some header. The "URL" part may not have whitespace. Even if the clueless HTML author has put in a space the browser should discard it, or complain, or percent-encode it per the practice with other characters. Netscape doesn't do that. So the upstream server (the proxy or the real target host) is getting this rubbish in the HTTP request and, not being psychic, failing to return what you ask for. By the way, your pain can be lessened with this tool: http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/adzap/ Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/ Our Constitution is in actual operation; everything appears to promise that it will last; but in this world nothing is certain but death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
