Re: red hat 10 release date
At 13:06 10/12/2003, you wrote: It was a fairly simple question that would have been shorter than what you wrote It was a simple question, yes, but born out of laziness primarily. Every single one of us posts questions out of _ignorance_, so you're excused on that count. But had you only done a simple search by Google, the Red Hat list archives, or MARC (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com) you would have found out in seconds that which you were asking (and which has been beaten to death with a rock twice over recently). In addition, you would not have taken up anyone else's time, which is a courtesy valued by those others asking _real_ questions. Ignorance is welcome. Laziness is rude. Kindly consider everyone else's time, money, and interest in addition to your own. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 14:06, Brian wrote: > It was a fairly simple question that would have been shorter than what you > wrote > > Brian > Please don't top post. This is a REALLY busy list, and the norm here is to at least try to find a solution. especially to a question that has been discussed and rediscussed already. It is a sort of "Teach a man to fish sort of deal" I thought that the reply was entirely appropriate. I understand that the redhat archives are actually searchable now but have not been in the past. If you have trouble I usually use the archives at : http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=redhat-list&r=1&w=2 HTH Bret -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
It was a fairly simple question that would have been shorter than what you wrote Brian - Original Message - From: "Ed Wilts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 8:11 AM Subject: Re: red hat 10 release date > On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 04:27:41AM -0400, Brian wrote: > > > > Just resubscribed to the list. > > What is the release date for redhat linux 10 > > Please read the archives and search Red Hat's web site before posting. > > -- > Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program > > > -- > redhat-list mailing list > unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 04:27:41AM -0400, Brian wrote: > > Just resubscribed to the list. > What is the release date for redhat linux 10 Please read the archives and search Red Hat's web site before posting. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
Just resubscribed to the list. What is the release date for redhat linux 10 Thanks -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
As a debian and Redhat users I have 2 main comments. Debian seems so much faster, even on slower hardware. Do other people thing that Redhat seems to be less optimized? I am just a linux newbie myself but the speed is very noticable. Apt. Apt-get just works so well. Automagically resolving dependencies and installing etc, that RPM just too difficult. If debian was more learner friendly on installs and support hardware easier, I think I would switch. As well, I think this on topic as it has to be the users driving the development. Isn't open source about learning and building upon work of others? IF we want something in Redhat from other software, where else would we discuss it? Mick -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 21:28, Michael Mansour wrote: > I remember when the FUD about Red Hat occured that > time, and remember that it was mentioned that > Motorola, owning a sizeable share of Red Hat, won > itself a seat on Red Hat's board. And who owns > Motorola? you guessed it, Microsoft... What kind of FUD is that? Motorola is a publicly held company with over 2 billion shares outstanding. MS and MOT hav edoen a few deals in the wireless arena but I have never heard that MS held a substantial interest in MOT let alone a controlling share. According to Morningstar >25% of the shares are owned by funds but I could not find anything about additional ownership and Dont feel like digging through the SEC filings to see if any one company owns a huge chunk. Additionally, I feel like MS owning/controlling the company that makes the cpu that apple computers are based on would have made the news. Please keep blanket FUD statements like this to yourself. Bret -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
> > Allow me to suggest, gentlemen, that this list > already gets enough traffic > > and that "the feeling of Debian to a Red Hat user" > is a thread that really > > is rather off-topic and likely one in which the > majority of listmembers > > won't be interested. Perhaps you'd be kind enough > to take it off-list to > > private mail. > > Or. maybe it will show RedHat that many of us long > time (since its > inception) RH users are not too impressed with the > way that things have > changed, like this fedora crap just to top it off, > years ago there was > FUD about RH being M$ of linux world, we all > shrugged it off, well, look > at things now Personally I wouldn't mind listening to comparisons between Red Hat and Debian and don't think it's that off-topic since this is a general discussion red hat list. I remember when the FUD about Red Hat occured that time, and remember that it was mentioned that Motorola, owning a sizeable share of Red Hat, won itself a seat on Red Hat's board. And who owns Motorola? you guessed it, Microsoft... Michael. http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Allow me to suggest, gentlemen, that this list already gets enough traffic > and that "the feeling of Debian to a Red Hat user" is a thread that really > is rather off-topic and likely one in which the majority of listmembers > won't be interested. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to take it off-list to > private mail. > Or. maybe it will show RedHat that many of us long time (since its inception) RH users are not too impressed with the way that things have changed, like this fedora crap just to top it off, years ago there was FUD about RH being M$ of linux world, we all shrugged it off, well, look at things now -- Res -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
At 08:31 10/10/2003, you wrote: Le 06/10/2003 02:32, « Jim Hayward » <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > P.S. I'm typing this out on a Debian install I did 1 1/2 weeks ago. *** So how does that feel to a RH user? I would like to know [...] What's your experience? -- Cheers, Zoran. Allow me to suggest, gentlemen, that this list already gets enough traffic and that "the feeling of Debian to a Red Hat user" is a thread that really is rather off-topic and likely one in which the majority of listmembers won't be interested. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to take it off-list to private mail. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
Le 06/10/2003 02:32, « Jim Hayward » <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > P.S. I'm typing this out on a Debian install I did 1 1/2 weeks ago. *** So how does that feel to a RH user? I would like to know because there're things bothering me about RH since a long time so I'm trying to switch to Debian. It's the learning curve of a new system that makes me hasitate though. What's your experience? -- Cheers, Zoran. Windows software isn't released, it'ause there're things i don't like about RHs allowed to escape. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:43:27PM -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Named as a caching nameserver is something I wish were included. No, it > doesn't really belong in a standard workstation, but for those of using it > as a SOHO single workstation/server it'd be great. As just a bit more idle > speculation, I wonder whether you can "up2date bind" once RHPW is > installed? I don't see why not... You can't, at least not in the taroon beta. bind is in a separate channel. For example, on my RHEL WS beta, I tried to install ldap-server and it wasn't there. It's there on the RHEL AS beta channel. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
At 20:48 10/5/2003, you wrote: It's not missing all of the server applications, even if it's identical to RHEL WS. Here's the list of server apps that I took from the taroon beta: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ewilts]$ grep server up2date.showall.ws mysql-server-3.23.58-1.i386 openssh-server-3.6.1p2-18.i386 rh-postgresql-server-7.3.4-4.i386 rsh-server-0.17-17.i386 rusers-server-0.17-31.1.i386 telnet-server-0.17-26.i386 vnc-server-4.0-0.beta4.1.1.i386 httpd, sendmail, and postfix are also included. For a small office, WS is pretty good - no FTP server or named, but other than that you're pretty close to everything you could want. Named as a caching nameserver is something I wish were included. No, it doesn't really belong in a standard workstation, but for those of using it as a SOHO single workstation/server it'd be great. As just a bit more idle speculation, I wonder whether you can "up2date bind" once RHPW is installed? I don't see why not... -- Rodolfo J. Paiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:33:14 -0400 (EDT), Gerry Doris wrote: > http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/ > I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong but the workstation version is NOT > equal to the old Redhat Linux. It sounds like the WS version is missing > all of the server functionality that was in RHL. It also costs $179USD > which seems high compared to the boxed version of other distros like SuSE. You're mistaking "Red Hat Professional Workstation" with "Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS (Basic Edition)". - -- Michael, who doesn't reply to top posts and complete quotes anymore. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gNuQ0iMVcrivHFQRApIuAJ9dqs0uVNM52vqz1gueDeQSdTDfVACfT3Yx E1KVGcw3FgvPU01QcQnRtQ0= =rJzo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 10:33:14PM -0400, Gerry Doris wrote: > I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong but the workstation version is NOT > equal to the old Redhat Linux. It sounds like the WS version is missing > all of the server functionality that was in RHL. It also costs $179USD > which seems high compared to the boxed version of other distros like SuSE. You're wrong :-) >From what I know, this is based on the RHEL WS, but it is not RHEL WS. It most definitely does *NOT* have a $179/year price tag. It's not missing all of the server applications, even if it's identical to RHEL WS. Here's the list of server apps that I took from the taroon beta: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ewilts]$ grep server up2date.showall.ws mysql-server-3.23.58-1.i386 openssh-server-3.6.1p2-18.i386 rh-postgresql-server-7.3.4-4.i386 rsh-server-0.17-17.i386 rusers-server-0.17-31.1.i386 telnet-server-0.17-26.i386 vnc-server-4.0-0.beta4.1.1.i386 httpd, sendmail, and postfix are also included. For a small office, WS is pretty good - no FTP server or named, but other than that you're pretty close to everything you could want. You've got ssh, sql, and web servers, and you could use zoneedit or something like that for your dns. If you want an ftp or dns server, you can add that easily enough. > I'm not saying the WS version is a bad prodcut...it just isn't the > same as the old RHL. I'm suspecting that we'll like the new product more than the old RHL product, but of course we'll both have to wait and see what the pricing is like and what the rest of the details are. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 05:32:38PM -0700, Jim Hayward wrote: >> On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 15:14, Jeff Wimmer wrote: >> > So RedHat is dropping the "end user" version and concentrating on >> > commercial enterprise based products? Is that what I'm understanding >> here? >> >> Correct. They are dropping the "end user/consumer" version for the >> Fedora Project. The only RH "products" will be the RHEL line. > > True yesterday, but not today. > Please refer to http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/. > Not much information there yet, but it's coming. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong but the workstation version is NOT equal to the old Redhat Linux. It sounds like the WS version is missing all of the server functionality that was in RHL. It also costs $179USD which seems high compared to the boxed version of other distros like SuSE. I'm not saying the WS version is a bad prodcut...it just isn't the same as the old RHL. Gerry -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 05:32:38PM -0700, Jim Hayward wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 15:14, Jeff Wimmer wrote: > > So RedHat is dropping the "end user" version and concentrating on > > commercial enterprise based products? Is that what I'm understanding here? > > Correct. They are dropping the "end user/consumer" version for the > Fedora Project. The only RH "products" will be the RHEL line. True yesterday, but not today. Please refer to http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/. Not much information there yet, but it's coming. > I agree that RH needs a product priced for the SOHO and small business > markets. This is something IMO they currently do not have in their RHEL > line of products. Hence the product listed above. > Only time will tell if this turns into a disaster. I'm going to miss the > boxed sets. I have bought a boxed set for every RH release since 5.2. > Hopefully RH will bring them back in the future in some way. See above. It's back! -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
You think in the long run Fedora will actually get off the ground like Red Hat Linux did? I'm very sceptic about Red Hat's move and although can understand why Red Hat would do such a thing, don't agree with it as it directly affects me and my use of Linux. Maybe for the long term it'll be time to move to Suse? Michael. --- Jim Hayward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 14:18, Joe Szilagyi wrote: > > Does anyone happen to know what it is? Thanks. > > There is no longer and will never be a Red Hat 10. > The consumer version > of Red Hat Linux essentially no longer exists. It > has been replaced by > "Fedora Linux Project". The first release of "Fedora > Core" is scheduled > to be released November 3rd. > > It should be noted and I am quoting from the Fedora > Project web site.. > > "The Fedora Project is not a supported product of > Red Hat, Inc." > > > Visit the link below for more about what the Fedora > Project is. > > http://fedora.redhat.com/ > > > Regards, > Jim H > > > > -- > redhat-list mailing list > unsubscribe > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 15:14, Jeff Wimmer wrote: > So RedHat is dropping the "end user" version and concentrating on > commercial enterprise based products? Is that what I'm understanding here? Correct. They are dropping the "end user/consumer" version for the Fedora Project. The only RH "products" will be the RHEL line. > This would seem rather dumb on RH's part, since I doubt they have enough > sales to support the company RH has grown into people wise just by > enterprise sales alone. VERY dumb move on their part ifyou ask me. I agree that RH needs a product priced for the SOHO and small business markets. This is something IMO they currently do not have in their RHEL line of products. Only time will tell if this turns into a disaster. I'm going to miss the boxed sets. I have bought a boxed set for every RH release since 5.2. Hopefully RH will bring them back in the future in some way. Plus now the only way I can support RH (unless I have a future need to an RHEL product) is to buy a subscription to RHN. I prefer to do manual updates and don't use RHN. So I guess I end up buying something that I will probably never put to use. :-P I guess I will consider it the price for a "Fedora boxed set". My big concern is how stable the Fedora Project is going to be with the frequent release schedule. I have not installed any of the Fedora test releases, but I will download and install the final release. This first release is essentially what would have been RH 10. As for releases after this one, my current attitude about the changes is to "wait and see". Regards, Jim "No longer a Red Hat Linux user, but maybe a Fedora Project user" H P.S. I'm typing this out on a Debian install I did 1 1/2 weeks ago. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: red hat 10 release date
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 14:18, Joe Szilagyi wrote: > Does anyone happen to know what it is? Thanks. There is no longer and will never be a Red Hat 10. The consumer version of Red Hat Linux essentially no longer exists. It has been replaced by "Fedora Linux Project". The first release of "Fedora Core" is scheduled to be released November 3rd. It should be noted and I am quoting from the Fedora Project web site.. "The Fedora Project is not a supported product of Red Hat, Inc." Visit the link below for more about what the Fedora Project is. http://fedora.redhat.com/ Regards, Jim H -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: red hat 10 release date
Sorry, This discussion has raised about 200 messages a day for the last two weeks. Red Hat Linux is no more. Now there is Fedora. Please check out http://fedora.redhat.com also check out the archives. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: red hat 10 release date And another one crawls out from under a rock. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Szilagyi Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: red hat 10 release date Does anyone happen to know what it is? Thanks. _ Regards, Joe E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: red hat 10 release date
And another one crawls out from under a rock. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Szilagyi Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: red hat 10 release date Does anyone happen to know what it is? Thanks. _ Regards, Joe E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
