Re: "df -i" support
Miguel wrote: Dear Genius, Please adopt: df -hi Thanks, Giovanni Hi We have several machines running as MTA's using reiser for the mail queue, we usually check the number of files (well an approximation) using the output of "df -i" command on our monitorization plugins this may be not very acurate but is very fast and didn't affect the MTA's work. With reiser the output of df -i is no longer usable, we changed this to "find | wc -l" variations but it hurts the performance. There's a command to count the number of leafs (that's the name?) of a tree from a reiser partition? or other orientative value?.(we mount with notail) Tnx -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com /Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --
Re: we need a slogan for our reiser4 t-shirt
Hans Reiser wrote: Burnes, James wrote: Hi, I am following the ReiserFS4 progress ... and see that there are still serious problems. So, I suppose will be more logical to solve these problems, before to go ahead on any front. When ReiserFS 4 ... will work fine, I propose one of the following slogan: " ReiserFS ... your data secure like in a safe, and faster like in a Ferrari" ... or something similar. Thanks, Giovanni How about, "Plug-in To Reiser4!" jim burnes security engineer great-west, denver Sounds like an ad, we want a t-shirt people want to wear. Maybe, "My filesystem is faster than yours"? -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --
Re: we need a slogan for our reiser4 t-shirt
Redeeman wrote: Hans Reiser wrote: Burnes, James wrote: Hi, I am following the ReiserFS4 progress ... and see that there are still serious problems. argh? what errors? i dont think any known problems exists anymore. Opps! ... If all errors had been solved, I apologize. I will make my tests as soon as possible. Of course, I am happy if works fine :-) Thanks, Giovanni So, I suppose will be more logical to solve these problems, before to go ahead on any front. When ReiserFS 4 ... will work fine, I propose one of the following slogan: " ReiserFS ... your data secure like in a safe, and faster like in a Ferrari" ... or something similar. Thanks, Giovanni How about, "Plug-in To Reiser4!" jim burnes security engineer great-west, denver Sounds like an ad, we want a t-shirt people want to wear. Maybe, "My filesystem is faster than yours"? -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com -- -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --
Re: implementing reiserfs in C++ for a new OS
Redeeman wrote: Hi, I suppose you are using GNU/Linux ... and therefore, you don't need to re-write nothing in C++, because is connected with the kernel and the kernel had been written in C, not in C++. Second, the name is a little 'comic' for me, if it is OpenSource. If you will adopt a Kernel different than Linux ... good luck. Thanks, Giovanni i suggest implementing reiser4 instead On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 18:41 +0530, Ramachandra K wrote: Hello, I am planning to implement ReiserFS on my operating system named Capital (www.mitpune.com/research/capital1.html). To give a brief background - Capital is a 32-bit Object Oriented operating system for the Intel i386 range of microprocessors. Capital's features include multithreading,virtual memory and a VFS interface. The implementation language of Capital is C++ and hence I, along with my team, would like to implement ReiserFS from scratch in C++. I know that this is a daunting task requiring considerable effort. The main motivation, in addition to implementing an efficient file system for my operating system, is to acquire an in depth understanding of the principles behind the design of ReiserFS and possibly come up with some new ideas. It would be of great help if I can get some pointers about how do I go about understanding ReiserFS. Currently I have got a bird's eye view of ReiserFS (plugins, items, dancing trees etc). But I am still grappling with the following issues: 1)I have not been able to get any information about the on-disk structure (i.e where is the superblock, bitmaps etc). I guess I can get it by reading the source (probably mkreiserfs code would also be helpful). Is there any other source of information ? 2)All the information that is available at namesys.com is about Reiser4 and I would like to know where I could get more information about version 3. I would greatly appreciate suggestions and pointers to more information. (Please CC the replies to me as I am currently not subscribed to the mailing list) rgds Ram -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --
Re: implementing reiserfs in C++ for a new OS
Markus Törnqvist wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:44:59AM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote: Meucci open the file for copyright before Bell, but seems it is necessary to renew each year. Copyrights are not filed, patents are. Yes. is the patent, not the copyright. He don't have the money to pay the renew the patent. Are you sure you're not mistaken in words here? Therefore, he don't renew. How stupid of him. The word "inventor" in the US, means generally "rich". This have another sense outside America, or for immigrant people. I have never heard of a rich inventor, except the chance to get money by producing the invention. Well. If an inventor have no money is a BIG problem, however actually in the GPL times, it is very easy to release a software also with no money. "Tekijänoikeus suojaa teoksen kirjallista tai muuta asua, ei asiasisältöä." Copyright protects the literary or other presentation of a work, not the factual content. This is bad. The code or documentation explains the ideas, and must be copyright in the same mode are the ideas itself. The idea is not copyrighted or patented or protected in any way, but the code is. This is bad and incorrect for me. There is a difference there. Of course the idea can be patented in some degenerate country like the US and it seems the EU is making the same mistake, but technically the idea can not be protected. And should not be. The US is not a degeneated country. Do you stay in the US sometime? Yes. Actually today it is also possible to configure the kernel graphically, but my idea is better. I need time that I have no actually. I know how you're feeling. I have also many projects for which I haven't had time, so I've given them away to see if anyone else would do it and I would help and give ideas. All in freedom and free software. Maybe you should talk to the KDE guys about your idea that they would implement it more like you would, both of you would win. If you comment to KDE people something that does not exist, and after your comment exist something similar you need simply do a small sum: 2+2. Be stoled by someone that re-offer it under GPL your idea, cause some bad humor. You gave it to them, whose fault is that? I comment what we will do. They release a version. However, actually is not important. Respect should come from respecting someone else. In 1987 or so, Chinese and people for Taiwan and Japan go around the world and comment: "We will copy your product and do it better". Today, Taiwan and Japan is probably the best place for electronic components worldwide. Sure. And we let them do it, whose fault is that? Different companies here in Italy, about manufacturing suffering some fraud from Chinese companies that re-produce the hardware for car testing and stole the clients. Do Fraud? If they do it better, where's the fraud? No they copy 100% the same machine for car test. I mean, what's stopping Italy from doing it better than China? Berlusconi? C'mon, you could still compete with China, it's not like the world's biggest army is holding you in siege. will someone open a case on China for copyright contacting chinese attorneys?. Very complex and expensive. I don't know how the car is patented, I'm sure it is, but still everyone has the right to set up a car shop and build the things. This is one of the points of free trade. Everyone's equal and free, so if someone pushes out better products, you respond by making an even better product. I fail to see the point in whining about something as glorious as this. I see the entire software industry going to disaster because some young boy release a similar program at no cost. No one may compete with free. In any this is a complex global problem. Of course you can compete with free, fight free with free, make a better free solution. It's like a*x=a*y => x=y I must confess I haven't seen Tron... You don't know Tron, because probably you are too young. Tron was made by Walt Disney (Buena ventura). It is dated 1982. I know such a movie exists, but not much more. I'm also born in 1982 ;) Jeff Bridges, a young programmer in a small company was stoled by its game program. A friend of him write a program that inspect information, and also some time ... the owner of the company was fired because he claim to be the author of the game and Jeff Bridge then get the 'expected' money and respect. Yeah, I should see it. OK. Thanks, Giovanni -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --
Re: implementing reiserfs in C++ for a new OS
Markus Törnqvist wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 02:12:50PM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote: Yes. is the patent, not the copyright. He don't have the money to pay the renew the patent. That sucks then. Maybe he should have had someone market and promote it better, maybe he would not have needed a patent at all, then. He have the original patent and is recognized like the official inventor of the phone by the US court Read it in the file http://www.stpauls.it/gio97/1797gi/1797gi5c.htm Or he would have gotten money for a patent through marketing. Remember, Philips pushed the CD out with cheap prices, everyone could use CDs cheaply, so there was no real competition. It was the superior solution for cheap. It did not become common because of forcing it on customers, nor did it become common like the VHS tape because JVC bought a big market presence. Well. If an inventor have no money is a BIG problem, however actually in the GPL times, it is very easy to release a software also with no money. Or release the specs for some other invention so cheap that you make much money through huge sales. The idea is not copyrighted or patented or protected in any way, but the code is. This is bad and incorrect for me. I have heard much better arguments for why it's good that ideas can NOT be protected, not one good argument for why they should be. I'd like to hear that one good argument. People have the same ideas independently, person A and person B. Person A patents it and person B can't compete with person A. Person A makes a bad implementation and no one can do anything about it, no one can do it better. Your idea about protecting ideas starts to sound like Microsoft, doesn't it? No. Only that Microsoft and maybe some pantent-holders just abused their big money to suppress competition. Of course the idea can be patented in some degenerate country like the US and it seems the EU is making the same mistake, but technically the idea can not be protected. And should not be. The US is not a degeneated country. Do you stay in the US sometime? I've never been there. Therefore, you cannot comment about the US. Actually, the US is not the 'normal' US. I hope things back normal and 'for business' soon. I suppose with the new president. But look at the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and others. USA was supposed to be the land of the free, now it's the land of the rich and powerful, where some people are more free than others and some people are more equal than others. Every honest individual who makes an invention may get sued over patents because someone else can claim the most stupid patent ever. Yes. Unfortunately this is possible. Microsoft wins a cause a get 4 million US$ for a small company owner. In infringements patents, 1 million US$ is something like one dollar, the minimal quantity of money to speak about. There's a term Götterdämmerung Capitalism which is such abuse of a fine thing, and that's what they're into across the Atlantic. The point is not in culminating a lot of money and spending it stupidly or not at all, it's about how money is moved smartly into good causes. Maybe it's unfair to generalize the States, I know there's a lot of good and smart people there, but the country is ran by a monkey, among other flaws. Maybe some libertarian-like state could be found, where it would be good to live. You gave it to them, whose fault is that? I comment what we will do. They release a version. However, actually is not important. But this is a chance for co-operation, you can ask the KDE guys to do as you say if your system is better. They will get a better system and you will see your brainchild become a used application. Everyone wins. I prefer to release it like I comment and I design, when possible. We announce time ago that almost all our problems are GPL and also commercial. Basically, we charge for the manual and additional not free software, like Trolltech does. Then, if someone like, and want to contrib. Great. Also, have no sense to release a program to configure the kernel and offer only in commercial form. Must be also available for free like the Kernel is. Fraud? If they do it better, where's the fraud? No they copy 100% the same machine for car test. So? Everyone else copies them too. Copy something back from China. It should not be seen as a bad thing but as a good thing. China and Hong Kong is the first place in the world where people re-produce 'everything' in almost illegal mode: shoes, pants, etc. Italy have the fourth place. Also on the streets here, you can found Fendi, that is a bad reproduction. Thanks for now. Regards, Giovanni -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --
Re: implementing reiserfs in C++ for a new OS
Hans Reiser wrote: Nikita Danilov wrote: Hans Reiser writes: > Nikita Danilov wrote: > > > > >Copyright to result of translation belongs to the translator. At > >least, according to Russian law. > > > > > > > I may be completely wrong legally, esp. in Russia. I personally think > it should belong to the original author if the original copyright is > still valid. > > Otherwise harry potter can get translated and no need to pay rowling. `Otherwise' is non-sequitur. One pays royalties to get a permission to produce and/or sell derived work. But copyright to derived work lies with translator. Otherwise, copyright to reiser4 (re-)implementation of allocate-on-flush belongs to SGI. I would feel more guilty about that if their team had not gone so far out of their way to encourage me to learn and use their most valuable innovation when I visited SGI. I try to credit SGI on that generally, but folks are welcome to point out where an additional credit is needed (it is too easy to neglect such things). I do think that I took their idea to the next level There are no problems at all. Both projects are GPL. Thanks, Giovanni > > Hans Nikita. -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --
Re: Reiser4 support on parted program ...
Yury Umanets wrote: Hans Reiser wrote: Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote: As soon the installer works fine supporting Reiser4, including parted support it, I will comment in this mailing list, and offer for free donwload. Reiser4 resizer is not ready for prime time, and like pseudos, should not have been enabled before it was tested. We are going to send in a patch to turn it off until it is debugged. hello Hans, I suspect, that Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando meant offline resizer which should be in utils. Not online resizer-repacker... Actually, we want that reiser4 is supported inside parted program. Nothing else. I don't think this support will enable any other support like reiser4-resize. Thanks, Giovanni -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --
Re: 2.6.9-mm1
Hans Reiser wrote: Andrew Morton wrote: - reiser4: not sure, really. The namespace extensions were disabled, although all the code for that is still present. Linus's filesystem criterion used to be "once lots of people are using it, preferably when vendors are shipping it". That's a bit of a chicken and egg thing though. Needs more discussion. No distro using reiserfs V3 as the default is going to keep doing so once reiser4 meets their stability requirements. Reiserfs is used by a lot of people, and reiser4 obsoletes it, and the users know that. I agree that OS that choose ReiserFS for default now will adopt Reiser4 instead ReiserFS 3, but they need to continue to support ReiserFS 3 as well Reiser4 ... In some sense this is equivalent to ext2 and ext3. Thanks, Giovanni None of the distros have expressed any intent of staying on V3, and they'd be silly to do it. Many of them have expressed a desire to use reiser4. Next year, indications are that reiser4 usage by distros as their default will exceed that which is today possessed by V3. The higher performance of V4 is going to increase our market share. I would like to encourage its inclusion as an experimental filesystem BEFORE vendors ship it. I think first putting experimental stuff in the kernels used by hackers makes sense. I think it creates more of a community. I'd like to point out that there is a lot of stuff in the kernel that is a lot less stable than reiser4. That said, inclusion in -mm found some bugs, and we are still testing one of the fixes which was a bit deep. I want to finish that testing (not more than 7 days) and send you all fixes before asking for inclusion. Also, Hellwig made a valid point about getting rid of some macros that reduce readability (I also hate code that prevents editors finding called functions), and zam is working on fixing that. Lindows is planning on shipping with reiser4 in its next release. I would very much like to see our inclusion before that. -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --
Re: reiser4 and reiserfs co-existence?
Michael Barry wrote: Of course ReiserFS and Reiser4 will work on different partitions at the same time. This is the object of these emails ? Thanks, Giovanni -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com WorldWide Global Mobile: +39 393 665 4239 --
Re: file as a directory
Peter Foldiak wrote: On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 16:31, Horst von Brand wrote: But namespace unification is important, Why? Directories are directories, files are files, file contents is file contents. Mixing them up is a bad idea. I disagree, I think it is a good idea. Hi, Please remember DOS. In DOS a directory is a file with a SPECIAL attrib: D_DIR. In Unix, is basically the same. There are nothing bad. The attrib specify that a file with the directory attrib may include additional files or directories. Thanks, Giovanni. Why is namespace unification important? Because you can use the same tools on everything. Previously, each tool could handle one namespace. A very simple example would be: I want to count the words in the Appendix of my book. If I can't select the appendix, my "wc" tool is useless (or very difficult to use). On the other hand if I can say wc ~/book/Appendix it's fine. Hans Reiser would say that "namespaces are the roads and waterways of the operating system" and "the value of an operating system is proportional to the number of connections you can make". I think he is right in that. And the authors of Unix knew it too, when they used the same namespace for devices and files. They didn't say "files are files and devices are devices". They said the difference should not matter to the applications. But there is still namespace fragmentation even in Unix, and this is just one of them. Sure, you could build a filesystem of sorts (perhaps more in the vein of persistent programming, or even data base systems) where there simply is no distinction (because there are no differences to show), but that is something different. and to unify the namespace, you have to use the same syntax. I guess you disagree with me on that. (If not, how would you do it?) I'd go one level up: Eliminate the distinctions that bother you, not try to patch over them. But that is my point too. Peter -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com WorldWide Global Mobile: +39 393 665 4239 --
Re: reiser4 for windows
Hans Reiser wrote: I should add that reiser4 for windows would be proprietary. If they can pay MS, they can pay me, and I see no reason to do free work for MS. Hans, Despite about this. The MS dominance is going down, and therefore have no sense. I never suppose you will found the same 'good' enviroment including C Compiler filters, and other tools that only UNIX and GNU/Linux offers. Thanks, Giovanni. -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com WorldWide Global Mobile: +39 393 665 4239 --
Re: reiser4 for windows
Tierra wrote: On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:31:29 -0700, Jonathan Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are ext2/3 and reiserfs access programs for Windows. They are not implemented as Windows filesystem drivers. I do not know if this is because of technical difficulties or Windows vs. GPL licensing problems. Most of them bring up the filesystem in a Windows Explorerish interface. You can then copy files in or out. You mean much like rfstool? http://www.p-nand-q.com/download/rfstool.html This seems cool. May be there are a use with programs like Ghost that backup also Linux partitions, and probably now will found all the Linux partitions including reiserfs. I don't see other use. What was interesting was to install MS Windows on a ReiserFS partitions and probably there are a way to do using GNU/Linux, not windows. I neither see any screeshot on this website regarding the program. Under pictures, I found images about Florence, Rome, and other ruins. Seems this person loves ruins and want to enable them in futuristic technologies like Reiser. ... Is better to discard Ruins. Ruins represent the past like MS Windows :-) :-D Thanks, Giovanni. I've seen other reiserfs GUI tools, all pretty much are a wrapper around the above library (including my own). But I've never seen anything with write access, just read-only. Also, AFAIK, Gerson Kurz has no plans of working on that project anymore, so it's a limited few who could pull off a Reiser4 Windows library. Bryan Petty -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com WorldWide Global Mobile: +39 393 665 4239 --
Re: Impressed. Any info other than source?
Hans Reiser wrote: Hi, I plan to wite a book about Reiser4 and how to write Reiser4 plug-ins like the Vol N. 4 in our developer guide. For now it plans to be under payment. My be I found the time to release it for Summer: June 2005. Thanks, Giovanni. Info wrote: Hello, I am really impressed by what you're doing with Reiserfs. It is a wonderful mix of the immediately usable and great promise for the future. I am somewhat amazed that this is such a low traffic list. Am I missing some other place where this stuff is discussed? Not really. We are in a period of stabilizing rather than designing new stuff. Unfortunately, one always spends far more time stabilizing than designing. Quoting from your website: Looking at the coin from the other side, we want to make it an order of magnitude less work to add features to ReiserFS so that both users and Namesys can add at least an order of magnitude more of them. To this end is there any documentation between the general descriptions (.../v4/v4.html and .../whitepaper.html) and the actual source code? I have searched your site and the web (although I haven't tried BitKeeper yet) and can't find anything. It is not the actual internal workings so much as how to modify a plugin that I'm interested in. Any sort of howto type documentation? The source code is intended to be very readable. I don't think there should be any documentation besides web site and source code. Any URLs gratefully received! Regards, Paul Hilton -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --
What is the official Reiser 4 ...
Hi, Some days ago I hear aboout the Reser 4.1. Is this true? Have Reiser4 moved to a new release? Thanks, Giovanni. -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --
When Reiser4 will be officially included in the kernel? ...
Hi Everyone, Looking on the latest 2.6.11.4, I don't see yet Reiser4 officially included between the supported FS. Reiser4 had been released almost one year ago, and ... does not belong yet to the kernel? Hans, do you know some date for this? In the past Andrew Morton, did this job, I don't know who (if someone) are working on this matter. It is not fundamental, just a simple but important curiosity. Thanks, Giovanni. -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.RPMParadaise.org http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com Mobile: +39 393 665 4239 Lancelot is back! --
Re: When Reiser4 will be officially included in the kernel? ...
Vladimir Saveliev wrote: Hello On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 22:38, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote: Hi Everyone, Looking on the latest 2.6.11.4, I don't see yet Reiser4 officially included between the supported FS. Reiser4 had been released almost one year ago, and ... does not belong yet to the kernel? Hans, do you know some date for this? In the past Andrew Morton, did this job, I don't know who (if someone) are working on this matter. It is not fundamental, just a simple but important curiosity. We are working to address lkml objections (they objected to core kernel patches reiser4 relays on) and reiser4 stability. When it is done (can not estimate, sorry) - then we will ask for inclusion. Great! ... Please keep me updated. Thanks, Giovanni. Thanks, Giovanni. -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.RPMParadaise.org http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com Mobile: +39 393 665 4239 Lancelot is back! -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.RPMParadaise.org http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com Mobile: +39 393 665 4239 Lancelot is back! --
Re: When Reiser4 will be officially included in the kernel? ...
They were on principle against ftp://ftp.ru.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.12-rc3/2.6.12-rc3-mm2/broken-out/reiser4-allow-drop_inode-implementation.patch ftp://ftp.ru.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.10-rc3/2.6.10-rc3-mm1/broken-out/reiser4-perthread-pages.patch ftp://ftp.ru.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.12-rc3/2.6.12-rc3-mm2/broken-out/reiser4-export-inode_lock.patch and few older patches. We are currently trying to eliminate the need in reiser4-export-inode_lock.patch which is the last of bad patches. Hi, This is OK, however, what I am looking for is to download the Kernel from kernel.org, and found Reiser4 code inside. This means officially for me. Thanks, Giovanni. This one seems to be the hardest to get rid of. James -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.RPMParadaise.org http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com Mobile: +39 393 665 4239 Lancelot is back! --
Reiser4 support on parted ...
Hi Everyone, I am looking to know if someone have time to share with me to add the necessary code inside 'parted' to support Reiser4. May be 1 or 2 hours per day. The reference page is: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/#maillist I start to work on it, last September. Of course no money is involved. I will need also other people, to test the result. Thanks, Giovanni. -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.RPMParadaise.org http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com Mobile: +39 393 665 4239 Lancelot is back! --
Re: Reiser4 support on parted ...
Jander wrote: Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote: Hi Everyone, I am looking to know if someone have time to share with me to add the necessary code inside 'parted' to support Reiser4. May be 1 or 2 hours per day. The reference page is: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/#maillist I start to work on it, last September. Of course no money is involved. I will need also other people, to test the result. Thanks, Giovanni. I'll be pleased to help in any way I can. Great! I prefer to feedback privately, and when completed request help to reiser community for testing. Thanks, Giovanni. -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.RPMParadaise.org http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com Mobile: +39 393 665 4239 Lancelot is back! --
Re: Reiser4 support on parted ...
Hans Reiser wrote:
I think someone is going to pay us to write the online repacker in the
very near future, though I can't say their name.
Giovanni, if by parted support you mean that you are going to write a
resizer (and now that I take a moment to remember what parted does it
seems certain you do mean that), I wish you would not. We are so
amazing far in debt right now
Hi,
It is important to fix some points to clarify.
At first, "parted" is a binary that interact with the "libparted"
library to run
some features about partitions, like:
* mkfs
* fsck
* cp
* mv
* resize
* and others.
Actually, parted have zero support for Reiser4.
Why we need Reiser4 support inside parted?
We need that parted support Reiser4, because our installer actualy a
hacked version of RedHat anaconda
uses pyparted that need parted to create the partitions on the FS on
a new installation.
(Therefore also RH people and Linux distro that uses anaconda, like
YellowDog will benefit for this code).
Therefore, we don't need to resize Reiser4 partitions actually.
The necessary code is not necessarely complicated, because libraries
are well written.
However, I need to understant how Reiser4 do jobs like fsck and mkfs
and this code
cannot be a simple or equivalent (system("mkfs.reiser4")).
It is necessary to use the parted API to do that.
FTOSX 2004 includes "reiser4" packages, including "libaal", from Sep
2004.
(Check ftp://ftp.futuretg.com/pub/FTOSX/FTOSX_Desktop_2004/i386/SRPMS)
I create some directories, one for parted 1.6.15 (my hacked version)
and another for (1.6.22), latest one.
People that want to know more about the internal of this code, can
browse:
ftp://ftp.futuretg.com/pub/Projects/parted+Reiser4/Actual_without_support/parted-1.6.15/doc/TUTORIAL
I need to update around 111 chapters in six courses, and therefore I
will dedicate only 1/2 hours per day to move on
on this matter.
Thanks,
Giovanni.
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Re: Reiser4 repackers
Andrew Clausen wrote: On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 08:10:18PM -0500, David Masover wrote: The blocklist is only needed to find the blocks in the nested file, which is huge. (I don't know anything about reiser packing, but things like tail-merging aren't a serious problem.) Yet, it's still a problem. You want a standardized way to map files to underlying blocks, and before Reiser4, I'd say this was easy. But now, who knows what the FS does to bastardize the file on the way down? Crypto/compression? Tail-packing? Stenography? The possibilities are endless... Can't you disable these things for the special nested file? You only need the block list for one file! This must be fine! -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.RPMParadaise.org http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com Mobile: +39 393 665 4239 Lancelot is back! --
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Re: Wikipedia article
evilninja wrote: Gregory Maxwell schrieb: Someone might want to update the information on reiser4 at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems This table is interesting but have really no sense the "no inclusion" of a minimal comparision about performance. Thanks, Giovanni. -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.RPMParadaise.org http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com Fixed: +39 0824 314 007. Mobile: +39 393 665 4239 "Do you feel the sacred fire, inside you?" --
Re: Conversion from v3.6 to v4 of Reiserfs...
Nikita Danilov wrote: The Amazing Dragon (Elliott Mitchell) writes: > > From: "Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Actually, there are no a way. You need to backup and re-write it > > your data. > > > > However, I speak with Hans and probably we will release a > > tool/utility for that purpose. > > Something like dump? Cf. "Universal file system convertor": http://tzukanov.narod.ru/convertfs/ no warranty, especially given that loop-back support required for convertfs was added into reiser4 only recently. Hi, We plan to support in our distro ReiserFS 3.x and 4.0 at the same time. About to port OLD data to ReiserFS 4, a simple 'tar cvfz' will be usefull to backup and replace. I don't think, this tool http://tzukanov.narod.ru/convertfs/ support reiserFS 4.0, because it is dated March 2002. If someone knows some other link, for this tool I can take a look. Seems that Debian is working on. In any case we will do our tests and make our decisions. My idea when i comment to Hans, was based on the fact that RedHat haves these tools for EXT2 to EXT3 and viceversa. Thanks, Giovanni > > Nikita.
Re: Conversion from v3.6 to v4 of Reiserfs...
Nikita Danilov wrote: Nikita Danilov writes: > Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando writes: > > Nikita Danilov wrote: > > > > >The Amazing Dragon (Elliott Mitchell) writes: > > > > > From: "Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Actually, there are no a way. You need to backup and re-write it > > > > > your data. > > > > > > > > > > However, I speak with Hans and probably we will release a > > > > > tool/utility for that purpose. > > > > > > > > Something like dump? > > > > > >Cf. "Universal file system convertor": > > >http://tzukanov.narod.ru/convertfs/ > > > > > >no warranty, especially given that loop-back support required for > > >convertfs was added into reiser4 only recently. > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > >We plan to support in our distro ReiserFS 3.x and 4.0 at the same > > time. > > > >About to port OLD data to ReiserFS 4, a simple 'tar cvfz' will be > > usefull to backup and replace. > > > >I don't think, this tool > > > > http://tzukanov.narod.ru/convertfs/ > > > > support reiserFS 4.0, because it is dated March 2002. > > convertfs does _not_ need special support for new file system type. It > can convert arbitrary file system foo to arbitrary file system bar, on > the condition that bar supports loop back files. Sorry, I got it backward. Loop back support on foo is required. So, to convert reiserfs to reiser4 one needs loop back on reiserfs, which is not a problem. Hi, I will investigate better on this tool and if fine we will test on ReiserFS 3.X <-> 4.0 final. Thanks, Giovanni > > > > > If someone knows some other link, for this tool I can take a look. > Nikita. >
Re: Reiser4 needs more testers
Hans Reiser wrote: Hi Hans, We will test the last snapshot. Thanks, Giovanni We have one NFS related bug remaining, and one mmap all of memory related bug (and performance issue) that you can hit using iozone. We will fix both of these in next week's snapshot, they were both multi-day bug fixes. When they are fixed, unless users/distros find bugs next week we will submit it for inclusion in the -mm and then the official kernel. We hope it is now fairly stable for average users if you avoid those two issues (we need to get rid of those dire warnings about its stability, we will remember that next snapshot;-) ) We need a lot more real user testers, because we have run out of scripts that can crash it, and there are distros that would like to ship it soon. Please also complain to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] about poor documentation, etc., The new reiser4 snapshot (against 2.6.5-rc2) is available at http://www.namesys.com/snapshots/2004.03.26/ -- -- -- Check FT Websites ... http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com /Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com -- Europe: USA: Future Technologies Future Technologies Viale Grigoletti, 201158 26th Street #592 33170 - Pordenone (PN) Santa Monica, CA 90403 Italy. USA.
