[Repeater-Builder] off topic: Color of Authority

[kd6hcn]

Mr. Helton, with respect to an unpaid position you
appear to hold within a volunteer organization I must
caution you when posting to an open forum the use of
the F.E.M.A. tag added the end of your emails
indicated a violation of "color of authority". I have
contacted F.E.M.A. to verify your credentials without
any resolve.

In other words they say you don't exist within the
Federal Emergency Management Agency as an "Authorized"
respresentative.

Capt. Steve Hilton
Communications Supervisor
Emergency Support Services
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Cincinnati CERT Task Force
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Should you continue in this fraud, you will be
contacted from an "Authorized" agent of F.E.M.A. to
resolve your issues.

Regards, Barry



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Voters - STATUS TONE

[James]

I look forward to the information.  (as I'm sure many on the list do as
well). I would like to incorporate this into the 2 meter side of the
system here to help "hide" some interference problems.

James

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  Hi James, I am away at a wedding but will be back home on
Tuesday. I will copy the info for you. I currently use four SpectraTac
comparators om my amateur repeaters. I formerly did the normal constant
keyed link transmitters (HT-90's), link id'er audio mixed and gated
with the status tone in the receivers. I always wondered about using
cor but the normal SpectraTac functions such as agc and line failure
timers seemed to prohibit it. After sitting down with the manual it
didn't look that difficult. Actually requires a couple of diodes a
resistor and lifting a couple of components. It's also an easily
reversible mod. I currently mix status tone and cor sqm's in the same
comparators and seems to work well. Sorry for being so long winded.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] virus warning

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what it suppoused to do.

all Spam goes immediately into the trash so really too many nutcases out
there and not enough time to worry about it.


As Alfred E. Neuman sez What me worry ?

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[W9DHI]

You'd probably have to code a new eprom.  I don't know what the current
prices are but the last time I bought some from Kenwood (1994), they were
around 1900.  That was without an amp or controller, the exciter puts out
100 to 700 milliwatts.


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-Original Message-
From: Richard W. Solomon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:15 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater


It says to ..."dial in the FCC Channel Number"...
Not very useful for Ham use (39 MHz split).
Unless they will provide a new EPROM for 25 MHz split.

Any idea on pricing ??

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-Original Message-
From: W9DHI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:36 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater



http://www.maceinconline.com/kenwood/repeaters/900_repeater_transceiver.html


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-Original Message-
From: Mr. Edgar McKinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:42 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

I went to the Kenwood site to find what repeaters they have, and all I did
find were 145mcs and 444 mcs repeaters. No mention about 902s.

What are the model numbers are you folks talkin about?

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[kd6hcn]

Great posting Steve!

But as you satated in your first paragragh on not
receiving funding from FEMA then why do you sign your
emails indicating the oposite?

Capt. Steve Helton  -Original Message-
> From: Steve Helton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:12 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater
> 
> Let me respond to your statements one at a time.
> 
> First, we are chartered by FEMA. We do not however
> receive any Federal or
> State funding. Most of our funds come from private
> sources. There are only
> about five teams similar to ours nationwide and we
> were the first of our
> kind in Ohio.
> 
> Second, The repeater was received from a Kenwood
> Factory Authorized Dealer
> who then refused to support us after the repeater
> failed within the first
> hour after the initial installation. That is when we
> went directly to
> Kenwood. They have admitted in writing that their
> dealer failed to perform
> but then Kenwood refused to force the dealer to do
> so. I even have e-mails
> from the dealer promising to refund our money and
> assuring us they would
> send a call tag for the unit. None of the promises
> were ever fulfilled and
> Kenwood never forced the dealer to fulfill them even
> though Kenwood was
> provided with copies of the e-mail's we received
> from the dealer. We tried
> to work with Kenwood but it got us no where except
> for them to continue to
> tell us to return it each time so they could fix it.
> The repeated problem
> was with the PA deck on the unit. They replaced
> various pieces within the
> unit and it failed soon after we got the unit back
> each time. I must point
> out that since last fall when we finally installed a
> Motorola repeater at
> the tower site we have been up and running without
> problem with the
> hardline, antenna and other equipment that we
> originally installed at the
> site when we first took the Kenwood unit to the site
> for installation. I
> have an extensive background as do several other
> members of our team in G.E.
> and Motorola commercial radio equipment having
> worked in that field for a
> number of years. We have our own in house
> professionals. In addition our
> team is attached to the City of Cincinnati Fire
> Department and we work
> closely with the cities radio tech department as
> well. We have "experts"
> running out of our ears. The last thing we needed to
> do was go outside and
> hire someone to tell us what we already knew, the
> Kenwood repeater kept
> blowing through no fault or ours or the equipment
> that is was attached to.
> 
> Third, We operate a number of repeaters in the
> Greater Cincinnati metro area
> including amateur, commercial and public safety on
> various bands. We have a
> combination of G.E. and Motorola equipment with some
> sites having been in
> service for over 10 years with little or no
> intervention on our part except
> for site visits about every six months to check
> equipment and make log
> entries at the site. In fact we just retired a G.E.
> repeater that I helped
> design a custom controller for almost 15 years ago.
> That repeater has worked
> flawlessly over the years and was just replaced with
> new Motorola equipment.
> The Kenwood repeater was purchased after we were
> granted access to a tower
> site that would extend our coverage into outlying
> areas in several counties
> north of Cincinnati. Because of the high profile
> location of the tower we
> did not want to transfer any of our existing
> equipment to it but rather
> thought it would be better to buy all new equipment.
> New repeater, new
> antenna, new polyphaser equipment, new emergency
> power systems and new
> Andrews hardline and fittings. This is what brought
> about the purchase of
> the Kenwood repeater.
> 
> Forth, I have duties that entail my traveling
> regularly to military
> facilities around the country so I had to deal with
> this issue when I was in
> town and had time and I was not the original person
> that began dealing with
> the issues but rather picked it up later in the
> struggle. Kenwood kept
> refusing to admit that the unit was a lemon.
> 
> Fifth, after I became involved we even connected the
> repeater up just after
> one of the last trips to the Kenwood repair center
> on our test bench into a
> dummy load and without engaging the transmitter but
> by just turning on the
> power to the unit it blew white smoke out the rear
> of the unit and died.
> This was the point at which I contacted our attorney
> general.
> 
> Sixth, We have reviewed our procedures and we no
> longer buy Kenwood repeater
> equipment.
> 
> I can assure you that this is the complete story and
> I can also assure you
> it is fully documented.
> 
> This is not "complaining" but rat

[Repeater-Builder] Two Way Shop for Sale

[Micheal Salem]

Here is an ad for your information:


FOR SALE: 2-Way Radio Sales/Service and TV repair business.
Sale to includes 2500 square foot shop building, service and test
equipment, vehicles,  furniture, fixtures, radios, parts inventory, and
vehicles.   Business in continuous operation for over fifty years and
to be sold from estate after recent death of sole proprietor owner.
Located at 316 West Main, Norman, OKlahoma.  Appraised value over
$200,000.00 although price is negotiable.  Recent building
appraisal is available.   Prefer sale of entire operation, but building
and business could be sold separately.  Financial information available
to serious bidders only.  For details, call Bill at  (405) 321-6998
or Micheal at (405) 366-1234.


Now, let me add these comments.  This shop was owned by a very good
friend of mine, who was also an amateur radio operator.  In fact,
two of the four current employees are also ham operators.

My friend and I spent many, many saturday afternoons at the shop
working on my several repeaters, his equipment, and whatever piece
of electronic equipment I happened to bring in.  He was very
generous in allowing me to use his equipment and helping me
troubleshoot problems.  On occasion, he would go to the repeater
site with me if there was something we couldn't carry out.  I
would out with him when he got called out on weekend.  He
believed in service and, "The customer was always right."  That
is harder to do these days.

The shop has been a good business, but had the usual ups and
downs of the economy in Oklahoma, particularly the oil boom and
bust.  My friend stayed with what he knew, TV repair and 2-way.
There are a couple of community repeaters that generate income.
We do have a general inventory of property and equipment that
would be available and are waiting on P & L statements.

He had no family other than three elderly sisters.  They are
not really equipped to run a two way shop.

Anybody who seriously contemplates a purchase will need to think
about expanding and modernizing the business along the lines of
the recent article in MRT which indicates a general downturn in
the 2-way business and explained how two way shops have compensated
for the income drop from the 2-way business.  You will need business
experience to make it grow.  Like everywhere else, there are, of
course, competitors.

He has four loyal employees who worked for him for a combined
total of almost 120 years.

Norman, Oklahoma is a college town, home of the University of
Oklahoma and a nice place to live.

It probably would be appropriate not to respond to business
inquiries via the reflector. Contact me with questions or
comments directly.  The number above is my office number and
I am generally there from 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. M-F.

Kevin agreed to let me post this notice this one time and I
very much appreciate his generousity.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Richard W. Solomon]

It says to ..."dial in the FCC Channel Number"...
Not very useful for Ham use (39 MHz split).
Unless they will provide a new EPROM for 25 MHz split.

Any idea on pricing ??

73, Dick, W1KSZ

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From: W9DHI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:36 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater



http://www.maceinconline.com/kenwood/repeaters/900_repeater_transceiver.html


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From: Mr. Edgar McKinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:42 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

I went to the Kenwood site to find what repeaters they have, and all I did
find were 145mcs and 444 mcs repeaters. No mention about 902s.

What are the model numbers are you folks talkin about?

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Richard W. Solomon]

Systems stops at the TKR-850, no TKR-902's ??

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-Original Message-
From: Phil Hebert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:49 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater



Not any more, only links to TKR 750/850 family

-Original Message-
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater


Go to the systems portion on the site..you'll then see the 900 repeaters.


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[Repeater-Builder] Need MOTOROLA CDM750 SERVICE MANUAL

[aj4ef]

I Need A MOTOROLA CDM750 SERVICE MANUAL. Does anyone have this 
manual in a .pdf format or something or do you know of a link where 
I can down-load it?
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted Tone network for Syntor

[Mike Morris]

Sure it's not a TRN-8224 ?
If it is, look at
www.repeater-builder.com
on the Motorola page.
I have an article on how to make your own.
And look at the DPL code plug article as well, it might give 
you an idea or two.
Mike WA6ILQ
At 07:59 AM 9/16/04, you wrote:
 
I am in need of a 100 HZ  tone network for a Syntor part number on the one in there now is TRN 4224A.
 
E-mail me direct with price and quatity. Imideate need for at least one right now. 
 
thanks
 
tom n8ies
 
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[Repeater-Builder] Wanted Tone network for Syntor

[Thomas Oliver]

 
I am in need of a 100 HZ  tone network for a Syntor part number on the one in there now is TRN 4224A.
 
E-mail me direct with price and quatity. Imideate need for at least one right now. 
 
thanks
 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Phil Hebert]

Not any more, only links to TKR 750/850 family

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Go to the systems portion on the site..you'll then see the 900 repeaters.


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Mike Mullarkey]

Steve,

Please list the dealer in your next e-mail.

Oregon Repeater Linking Group
Mike Mullarkey
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-Original Message-
From: Steve Helton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:12 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

Let me respond to your statements one at a time.

First, we are chartered by FEMA. We do not however receive any Federal or
State funding. Most of our funds come from private sources. There are only
about five teams similar to ours nationwide and we were the first of our
kind in Ohio.

Second, The repeater was received from a Kenwood Factory Authorized Dealer
who then refused to support us after the repeater failed within the first
hour after the initial installation. That is when we went directly to
Kenwood. They have admitted in writing that their dealer failed to perform
but then Kenwood refused to force the dealer to do so. I even have e-mails
from the dealer promising to refund our money and assuring us they would
send a call tag for the unit. None of the promises were ever fulfilled and
Kenwood never forced the dealer to fulfill them even though Kenwood was
provided with copies of the e-mail's we received from the dealer. We tried
to work with Kenwood but it got us no where except for them to continue to
tell us to return it each time so they could fix it. The repeated problem
was with the PA deck on the unit. They replaced various pieces within the
unit and it failed soon after we got the unit back each time. I must point
out that since last fall when we finally installed a Motorola repeater at
the tower site we have been up and running without problem with the
hardline, antenna and other equipment that we originally installed at the
site when we first took the Kenwood unit to the site for installation. I
have an extensive background as do several other members of our team in G.E.
and Motorola commercial radio equipment having worked in that field for a
number of years. We have our own in house professionals. In addition our
team is attached to the City of Cincinnati Fire Department and we work
closely with the cities radio tech department as well. We have "experts"
running out of our ears. The last thing we needed to do was go outside and
hire someone to tell us what we already knew, the Kenwood repeater kept
blowing through no fault or ours or the equipment that is was attached to.

Third, We operate a number of repeaters in the Greater Cincinnati metro area
including amateur, commercial and public safety on various bands. We have a
combination of G.E. and Motorola equipment with some sites having been in
service for over 10 years with little or no intervention on our part except
for site visits about every six months to check equipment and make log
entries at the site. In fact we just retired a G.E. repeater that I helped
design a custom controller for almost 15 years ago. That repeater has worked
flawlessly over the years and was just replaced with new Motorola equipment.
The Kenwood repeater was purchased after we were granted access to a tower
site that would extend our coverage into outlying areas in several counties
north of Cincinnati. Because of the high profile location of the tower we
did not want to transfer any of our existing equipment to it but rather
thought it would be better to buy all new equipment. New repeater, new
antenna, new polyphaser equipment, new emergency power systems and new
Andrews hardline and fittings. This is what brought about the purchase of
the Kenwood repeater.

Forth, I have duties that entail my traveling regularly to military
facilities around the country so I had to deal with this issue when I was in
town and had time and I was not the original person that began dealing with
the issues but rather picked it up later in the struggle. Kenwood kept
refusing to admit that the unit was a lemon.

Fifth, after I became involved we even connected the repeater up just after
one of the last trips to the Kenwood repair center on our test bench into a
dummy load and without engaging the transmitter but by just turning on the
power to the unit it blew white smoke out the rear of the unit and died.
This was the point at which I contacted our attorney general.

Sixth, We have reviewed our procedures and we no longer buy Kenwood repeater
equipment.

I can assure you that this is the complete story and I can also assure you
it is fully documented.

This is not "complaining" but rather a WARNING of what might happen if you
deal with Kenwood.

Bottom line, the Kenwood equipment failed to perform then the Factory
Authorized Dealer Failed to perform and then Kenwood Failed to perform even
though they were given every opportunity to do so.

You may be loyal to Kenwood but you cannot defend an indefensible position

"Buyer be ware!" (this is the last I will say on the subject)


Capt. Steve Helton
Communications Division
Emergency Support Services
Federal Emergency

[Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 Pinouts

[Marcus Xenakis]

Does anyone have the pinouts for the D-Shell connector on an MSF5000 
cabinet.  I would like to install an external repeater controller for 
a ham repeater.

Thanks,
Marcus
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[Repeater-Builder] Icom rp1620

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys.
Someone asked me about the Icom rp1620.
Anyone used it in  the ham bands yet? 
If so, how well does it work?

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FW: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[W9DHI]

http://www.maceinconline.com/kenwood/repeaters/900_repeater_transceiver.html


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-Original Message-
From: Mr. Edgar McKinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:42 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

I went to the Kenwood site to find what repeaters they have, and all I did
find were 145mcs and 444 mcs repeaters. No mention about 902s.

What are the model numbers are you folks talkin about?

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[W9DHI]

Go to the systems portion on the site..you'll then see the 900 repeaters.


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Member:  ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and ORC
 


-Original Message-
From: Mr. Edgar McKinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:42 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

I went to the Kenwood site to find what repeaters they have, and all I did
find were 145mcs and 444 mcs repeaters. No mention about 902s.

What are the model numbers are you folks talkin about?

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Jed Barton]

Steve, here is the short anser to the problem. 
You just got a bad unit. 
I help maintain 4 kenwood repeaters, and they never fail. 
In fact, we're putting in a kenwood for our local PD.  
It ain't all about motorola my friend.
You just got a bad unit, pure and simple.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Helton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:12 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater


Let me respond to your statements one at a time.

First, we are chartered by FEMA. We do not however receive any Federal
or State funding. Most of our funds come from private sources. There are
only about five teams similar to ours nationwide and we were the first
of our kind in Ohio.

Second, The repeater was received from a Kenwood Factory Authorized
Dealer who then refused to support us after the repeater failed within
the first hour after the initial installation. That is when we went
directly to Kenwood. They have admitted in writing that their dealer
failed to perform but then Kenwood refused to force the dealer to do so.
I even have e-mails from the dealer promising to refund our money and
assuring us they would send a call tag for the unit. None of the
promises were ever fulfilled and Kenwood never forced the dealer to
fulfill them even though Kenwood was provided with copies of the
e-mail's we received from the dealer. We tried to work with Kenwood but
it got us no where except for them to continue to tell us to return it
each time so they could fix it. The repeated problem was with the PA
deck on the unit. They replaced various pieces within the unit and it
failed soon after we got the unit back each time. I must point out that
since last fall when we finally installed a Motorola repeater at the
tower site we have been up and running without problem with the
hardline, antenna and other equipment that we originally installed at
the site when we first took the Kenwood unit to the site for
installation. I have an extensive background as do several other members
of our team in G.E. and Motorola commercial radio equipment having
worked in that field for a number of years. We have our own in house
professionals. In addition our team is attached to the City of
Cincinnati Fire Department and we work closely with the cities radio
tech department as well. We have "experts" running out of our ears. The
last thing we needed to do was go outside and hire someone to tell us
what we already knew, the Kenwood repeater kept blowing through no fault
or ours or the equipment that is was attached to.

Third, We operate a number of repeaters in the Greater Cincinnati metro
area including amateur, commercial and public safety on various bands.
We have a combination of G.E. and Motorola equipment with some sites
having been in service for over 10 years with little or no intervention
on our part except for site visits about every six months to check
equipment and make log entries at the site. In fact we just retired a
G.E. repeater that I helped design a custom controller for almost 15
years ago. That repeater has worked flawlessly over the years and was
just replaced with new Motorola equipment. The Kenwood repeater was
purchased after we were granted access to a tower site that would extend
our coverage into outlying areas in several counties north of
Cincinnati. Because of the high profile location of the tower we did not
want to transfer any of our existing equipment to it but rather thought
it would be better to buy all new equipment. New repeater, new antenna,
new polyphaser equipment, new emergency power systems and new Andrews
hardline and fittings. This is what brought about the purchase of the
Kenwood repeater.

Forth, I have duties that entail my traveling regularly to military
facilities around the country so I had to deal with this issue when I
was in town and had time and I was not the original person that began
dealing with the issues but rather picked it up later in the struggle.
Kenwood kept refusing to admit that the unit was a lemon.

Fifth, after I became involved we even connected the repeater up just
after one of the last trips to the Kenwood repair center on our test
bench into a dummy load and without engaging the transmitter but by just
turning on the power to the unit it blew white smoke out the rear of the
unit and died. This was the point at which I contacted our attorney
general.

Sixth, We have reviewed our procedures and we no longer buy Kenwood
repeater equipment.

I can assure you that this is the complete story and I can also assure
you it is fully documented.

This is not "complaining" but rather a WARNING of what might happen if
you deal with Kenwood.

Bottom line, the Kenwood equipment failed to perform then the Factory
Authorized Dealer Failed to perform and then Kenwood Failed to perform
even though they were given every opportunity to do so.

You may be loyal to Kenwood but you cannot defend an indefensible
positio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[russ]

Hello All,
I do not know about there web page but here you is what you can buy from
your Kenwood dealer.
For mobile 900 MHz the TK-981 works very well but have your Kenwood dealer
tune it down to 902 to 927. Or order it that way.
For a repeater we use the Kenwood TKR-901 here again have your dealer order
it for 901 and 927 if you can't find a dealer who speaks 900 MHz contact me
off line ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I will send you the nice folks that we use for
our Kenwood repeaters.
Very best of 73,
Russ, W3CH
Trustee Metro-Comm, INC.
Ham repeater net work, W3PS.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Edgar McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater


> I went to the Kenwood site to find what repeaters they have, and all I did
> find were 145mcs and 444 mcs repeaters. No mention about 902s.
>
> What are the model numbers are you folks talkin about?
>
> Ed - kb8qru
>
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hurricanes and news centers

[steve scott]

 RememberAmature Radio is a hobby.
 Professional, or Commercial orginizations view it as
such, even though the individual with the opinion may
himself be a ham. 
Sure, there is SkyWarn and the like, but I have seen
an awful lot of misguided use of what the intended
purpose was when used. A light shower can set some of
these folks off into a frenzy. 

The Hurricane Net on 40m down in Florida is very
useful. Although the Control Operator has had a hard
time keeping irrelavent traffic out of the net, it is
more detailed in its information than any news source
I've heard thus far.

 This is not a slam on Amature Radio by any means. I
make my living in Commercial Two-Way. I simply
seperate the two interests as a profession and a
hobby.

 I can't put into practice a lot of un-tested theory
when my customers are paying me for rock solid use.

 Hiram Maxim's two passions in life were radio and
motorcycles. I don't believe there was a distinction
between Amature and Professional back when his initial
interests were born. I certainly could be wrong.

 Steve. 

--- "Mr. Edgar McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When there is an emergency in West Virginia and HAMs
> are called upon to
> fill in EMCOMM roles, All news agencies refuses to
> acknowledge that.
> Even Field Day dont get coverage or maybe a
> paragraph on the commics
> section.
> 
> Ed - kb8qeu
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >  The news media in Atlanta has been quite active
> in running stories on
> > amateur radio during this hurricane season. Three
> different stories
> > have been done by three of our news stations. From
> the Georgia Section
> > Manager: "There've been three good TV spots about
> amateur radio on the
> > news in the
> > Atlanta area in less than a one week span. ALEX
> CARVER, KF4LVZ, of the
> > GA Tech
> > ARC, was interviewed by channel 11, (NBC) followed
> by an interview the
> > very next
> > day on channel 5, (FOX) with another Tech club
> member, DAVID ZISKIND,
> > KE4QLH,
> > capped by a spot on channel 46 (CBS) with SEC MIKE
> BOATRIGHT, KO4WX,
> > and MARK
> > HOLMES, KJ4VO, of HRO. That's like hitting back to
> back to back
> > homers! (OK,
> > ABC.)" Thanks to those television stations and
> hopefully we will
> > continue to be recognized in the future.  Chris
> WilkieW1LKE
> >
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[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Mr. Edgar McKinney]

I went to the Kenwood site to find what repeaters they have, and all I did
find were 145mcs and 444 mcs repeaters. No mention about 902s.

What are the model numbers are you folks talkin about?

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hurricanes and news centers

[Mr. Edgar McKinney]

When there is an emergency in West Virginia and HAMs are called upon to
fill in EMCOMM roles, All news agencies refuses to acknowledge that. Even
Field Day dont get coverage or maybe a paragraph on the commics section.
Ed - kb8qeu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The
news media in Atlanta has been quite active in running stories on amateur
radio during this hurricane season. Three different stories have been done
by three of our news stations. From the Georgia Section Manager: "There've
been three good TV spots about amateur radio on the news in the
Atlanta area
in less than a one week span. ALEX CARVER, KF4LVZ, of the GA Tech
ARC, was interviewed
by channel 11, (NBC) followed by an interview the very next
day on channel
5, (FOX) with another Tech club member, DAVID ZISKIND, KE4QLH,
capped by a
spot on channel 46 (CBS) with SEC MIKE BOATRIGHT, KO4WX, and MARK
HOLMES, KJ4VO,
of HRO. That's like hitting back to back to back homers! (OK,
ABC.)" Thanks
to those television stations and hopefully we will continue to be recognized
in the future.  Chris
WilkieW1LKE
 
 
 
 
















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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Voters

[Mike WA6ILQ]

At 06:41 PM 9/15/04, "Jamey Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>-Original Message-
>From: Mike WA6ILQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:32 PM
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Voters
>
>At 05:13 PM 9/14/04, "Jamey Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >A while back, there was some discussion on voters.  I have read through all
> >of that.
>
> >Have you read the two or three voter articles at www.repeater-builder.com
> >on the Technical Info page?
>
>Yes I have.
>
> >>I am looking to install one here.
>
> >For what reason?
> >Some repeater systems that talk further then they can hear decide to
> >add a voter system to try and match the coverage.  Others add a voter
> >to improve hand-held coverage inside the existing TX footprint, others
> >just add a two channel voter at the main RX site to gain some diversity
> >reception.  What is your reason?
>
>I want to extend portable coverage.  We are in an area with lots of hills
>and valleys.

OK. So the handhelds can hear the repeater TX, they just can't get
back into the system.

> >I am planning on bringing my rx sites back on RF and having the rx
> >radios at the voter site interface to a status tone (2175 Hz) circuit
> >and then feed the voter.

BTW Moto tends to use 2175 and GE uses 1950hz

> >You are aware that the 2175 status tone is designed for a wired
> >system? (where they bring the audio back on leased phone lines).
>
> >And that doing it that way will require you to run the link TX on a
> >7x24 basis?  This can get expensive in not only the power bill
> >but in replacing links TXs (have you verified that you can get the
> >link frequencies there - one per RX site?).  Which band do you
> >plan on using for the links? 420MHz, 900MHz or 1296mhz?
> >What equipment do you plan on using for the main channel
> >RXs and the link radios??  And do you have spares?  Running
> >a link TX 7x24x366 just to keep a tone decoder happy will
> >quickly determine if your link system is "continuous duty"...
>
>What I planned to do is to have the link rx interface to the status tone
>circuit and when it sees a valid signal from the far end, it will drop the
>tone.  That way the links don't have to run 24x7.  I don't maintain it but I
>know of a public safety system here that does it this way and has done it
>for a number of years with no problems.  I plan on using MASTR II RXs at
>each site and Maxtrac 900 for the links.

Generally public safety uses link systems that are up full time - either
least phone lines or point-to-point microwave shots.  They run the tone
over the circuit whenever the squelch is closed for multiple reasons: first
to indicate that the circuit is idle, but active, and the newer panels can
sense the tone level and "track" a changing level (which signifies a
path problem).

Picture a fire dispatch system with a centralized TX and voting RXs at
each fire station.  As long as the RX squelch is closed the idle tone is
fed to the phone line, and when the squelch is open the RX audio
replaces it.

Now you see why my comment that "Running a link TX
7x24x366 just to keep a tone decoder happy will quickly
determine if your link system is continuous duty..."

Note that voter links (microwave or point-to-point radio) have to
be very very very quiet - you can't get by on a 20db quieting,
most are 45-50db.

> >My question is:
> >Does anyone have a circuit to generate the status tones or know of a
> >reasonably priced commercially available product.  I just don't want to
> >re-invent the wheel if someone else has already dealt w/ this.
>
> >The GE voter used a 1950hz status tone and there was a board that fit
> >into the EP-39 aux RX chassis that did just what you want.  If someone
> >can post that schematic all you need to do is change the cap in the
> >oscillator to pick up the Moto tone frequency.
>
>If it uses 1950 then that is what I'll use.  I have read through the
>installation/service manual for the voter and apparently misread
>the status tone part.

Most voting panels have an option to hook a "channel active" signal
to the receiver port - when the public safety link system brings a
remote RX in via a microwave system the interface is usually done
with an "E and M Card" in the microwave chassis.  An overly simplified
explanation of E&M is that it fakes a PTT and COR while delivering
audio... the M lead going active on the far end (think PTT) results in
the E lead on the near end (think COR).  The E lead is tied to the
channel active signal on the voting panel.

> >There may be a Moto Spectra-Tac card that does the same thing but
> >I am not aware of the card name or part number.  And there are a lot
> >more GE manuals on PDF floating around that there are Motorola
>
>I have the PDF of the manual for the voter.  I have also been looking for
>one for the GE MASTR II Aux receivers but I haven't found one yet.

So you are using a GE voter?  What vintage?  Grey with incandescent

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Nate Duehr]

Steve Helton wrote:
> Let me respond to your statements one at a time.

Thanks for the clarification.

--
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Steve Helton]

Let me respond to your statements one at a time.

First, we are chartered by FEMA. We do not however receive any Federal or
State funding. Most of our funds come from private sources. There are only
about five teams similar to ours nationwide and we were the first of our
kind in Ohio.

Second, The repeater was received from a Kenwood Factory Authorized Dealer
who then refused to support us after the repeater failed within the first
hour after the initial installation. That is when we went directly to
Kenwood. They have admitted in writing that their dealer failed to perform
but then Kenwood refused to force the dealer to do so. I even have e-mails
from the dealer promising to refund our money and assuring us they would
send a call tag for the unit. None of the promises were ever fulfilled and
Kenwood never forced the dealer to fulfill them even though Kenwood was
provided with copies of the e-mail's we received from the dealer. We tried
to work with Kenwood but it got us no where except for them to continue to
tell us to return it each time so they could fix it. The repeated problem
was with the PA deck on the unit. They replaced various pieces within the
unit and it failed soon after we got the unit back each time. I must point
out that since last fall when we finally installed a Motorola repeater at
the tower site we have been up and running without problem with the
hardline, antenna and other equipment that we originally installed at the
site when we first took the Kenwood unit to the site for installation. I
have an extensive background as do several other members of our team in G.E.
and Motorola commercial radio equipment having worked in that field for a
number of years. We have our own in house professionals. In addition our
team is attached to the City of Cincinnati Fire Department and we work
closely with the cities radio tech department as well. We have "experts"
running out of our ears. The last thing we needed to do was go outside and
hire someone to tell us what we already knew, the Kenwood repeater kept
blowing through no fault or ours or the equipment that is was attached to.

Third, We operate a number of repeaters in the Greater Cincinnati metro area
including amateur, commercial and public safety on various bands. We have a
combination of G.E. and Motorola equipment with some sites having been in
service for over 10 years with little or no intervention on our part except
for site visits about every six months to check equipment and make log
entries at the site. In fact we just retired a G.E. repeater that I helped
design a custom controller for almost 15 years ago. That repeater has worked
flawlessly over the years and was just replaced with new Motorola equipment.
The Kenwood repeater was purchased after we were granted access to a tower
site that would extend our coverage into outlying areas in several counties
north of Cincinnati. Because of the high profile location of the tower we
did not want to transfer any of our existing equipment to it but rather
thought it would be better to buy all new equipment. New repeater, new
antenna, new polyphaser equipment, new emergency power systems and new
Andrews hardline and fittings. This is what brought about the purchase of
the Kenwood repeater.

Forth, I have duties that entail my traveling regularly to military
facilities around the country so I had to deal with this issue when I was in
town and had time and I was not the original person that began dealing with
the issues but rather picked it up later in the struggle. Kenwood kept
refusing to admit that the unit was a lemon.

Fifth, after I became involved we even connected the repeater up just after
one of the last trips to the Kenwood repair center on our test bench into a
dummy load and without engaging the transmitter but by just turning on the
power to the unit it blew white smoke out the rear of the unit and died.
This was the point at which I contacted our attorney general.

Sixth, We have reviewed our procedures and we no longer buy Kenwood repeater
equipment.

I can assure you that this is the complete story and I can also assure you
it is fully documented.

This is not "complaining" but rather a WARNING of what might happen if you
deal with Kenwood.

Bottom line, the Kenwood equipment failed to perform then the Factory
Authorized Dealer Failed to perform and then Kenwood Failed to perform even
though they were given every opportunity to do so.

You may be loyal to Kenwood but you cannot defend an indefensible position

"Buyer be ware!" (this is the last I will say on the subject)


Capt. Steve Helton
Communications Division
Emergency Support Services
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Cincinnati CERT Task Force
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Nate Duehr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 22:40
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

Steve Helton wrote:

> We were dealing directly with Ken

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Charles Miller]

Steve,

Our club purchased a 750 from a shop in CA, We had the thing mated to the
controller, tuned up, and have not had a single problem.

I also belong to another group that purchased 7 850's from another dealer in
WA. One of the units did not work correctly and we had to send the unit to
Kenwood for repair. The problem with that was the "dealer" was not an
authorized dealer and the unit was out of warranty the day we purchased it.
We did have some problems with Kenwood, but they did take care of it by
replacing the repeater.

Kenwood position was the unit was sold by an authorized dealer to another
company, that started the warranty period. They were unable to sell it
during the warranty period and the manufactures warranty run out. The dealer
we purchased the unit from advertised as a Kenwood dealer, not a Authorized
Kenwood Dealer. This is what started our problems.

We had to take them to court here in Texas under false advertising laws, and
we won. Kenwood did replace the unit but only after several well worded
letters from our attorney regarding Texas Law. We were not able to get
anything else from Kenwood, but we were able to recover some money from the
dealer that sold us the equipment. The dealer will not sell anything to
anyone in Texas as a result of our lawsuit, and we will not purchase
anything from them ever.

Lucky for us the repeaters have not had a single problem in the 3 years they
have been on the air. This includes the replacement repeater.

If you have not talked to the president of Kenwood USA then I might suggest
that you give him a jingle, also document the problems that you have had and
forward them to the your local BBB and the BBB where they are located. If
they are a member they might be able to help as the BBB does not like to see
there members having problems. They can help in more ways then one.

Good luck

Charles Miller

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Mullarkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:31 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater


Steve,



I do believe that if you were dealing with Cheryl she would have done
everything she could do to help you out. She is a great person to have if
you have a problem.





Oregon Repeater Linking Group

Mike Mullarkey



www.orlg.org





-Original Message-
From: Steve Helton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 3:50 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater



We were dealing directly with Kenwood (Cheryl Daly [
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]). I wrote numerous
e-mails over many months. Let me be clear that it was only after we
contacted the Attorney General's office and threatened Kenwood with legal
action that they finally agreed to replace the "Lemon" with a new one. This
was only after the unit had been to both the East coast AND West coast
Kenwood repair facilities numerous times without success. We are still out
between $200 and $300 from this event that Kenwood has refused to reimburse
us for (for shipping cost back to Kenwood repeatedly). We were told we would
be reimbursed (I have multiple e-mails to that effect) but it has never
happened.



We sold the unit and got most (not all) of the money that we originally paid
for it back.



My point is that if an agency like ours cannot rely on Kenwood then the
average Joe does not stand a chance. They failed in their corporate
responsibility. The other part of this problem is that a high profile tower
owner gave us the top spot on their 350+' tower for this system and we kept
having to go back to the tower over and over and over and over and over
again. It caused us issues with the tower owner that we are just now
overcoming.



I might be willing to rethink my position on Kenwood if they would ever
return all of the money we lost during the time we had their product. Maybe
some of you dealers could tell us where to go within Kenwood to get our
money back.







Capt. Steve Helton

Communications Division

Emergency Support Services

Federal Emergency Management Agency

Cincinnati CERT Task Force

[EMAIL PROTECTED]





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From: Maire Company [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 13:59
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

We are also a Kenwood dealer and had to have some radio's for some of our
customers that are doing some work with the current weather problems in
Florida.  Well UPS  some how lost the units.  Kenwood sent out a replacement
order late Friday night for Saturday so the we could get this done.  They
went the extra mile and I say Kenwood did a great job at it.



thanks   I think you should rethink your thought about Kenwood.

John





- Original Message - 

From: W9DHI 

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:27 PM

Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater



S

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Mike Mullarkey]

Steve,

 

I do believe that if you were dealing with
Cheryl she would have done everything she could do to help you out. She is a great
person to have if you have a problem.

 

 



Oregon Repeater Linking Group

Mike Mullarkey

 

www.orlg.org

 

 



-Original Message-
From: Steve Helton
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday,
 September 15, 2004 3:50 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder]
Kenwood Repeater

 

We were dealing directly
with Kenwood (Cheryl Daly [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]). I wrote numerous e-mails over many months. Let me be clear that
it was only after we contacted the Attorney General's office and threatened
Kenwood with legal action that they finally agreed to replace the
"Lemon" with a new one. This was only after the unit had been to both
the East coast AND West coast Kenwood repair facilities numerous times
without success. We are still out between $200 and $300 from this event that
Kenwood has refused to reimburse us for (for shipping cost back to Kenwood
repeatedly). We were told we would be reimbursed (I have multiple e-mails to
that effect) but it has never happened. 

 

We sold the unit and got
most (not all) of the money that we originally paid for it back. 

 

My point is that if an
agency like ours cannot rely on Kenwood then the average Joe does not stand a
chance. They failed in their corporate responsibility. The other part of this
problem is that a high profile tower owner gave us the top spot on their 350+'
tower for this system and we kept having to go back to the tower over and over
and over and over and over again. It caused us issues with the tower owner that
we are just now overcoming. 

 

I might be willing to
rethink my position on Kenwood if they would ever return all of the money we
lost during the time we had their product. Maybe some of you dealers could tell
us where to go within Kenwood to get our money back.

 

 

 

Capt.
Steve Helton

Communications
Division

Emergency
Support Services

Federal
Emergency Management Agency

Cincinnati CERT Task Force

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



 



 







From: Maire Company
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday,
 September 15, 2004 13:59
To:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]
Kenwood Repeater



We are
also a Kenwood dealer and had to have some radio's for some of our customers
that are doing some work with the current weather problems in Florida.  Well
UPS  some how lost the units.  Kenwood sent out a replacement order
late Friday night for Saturday so the we could get this done.  They went
the extra mile and I say Kenwood did a great job at it.  





 





thanks  
I think you should rethink your thought about Kenwood.





John





 





 







- Original Message - 





From: W9DHI 





To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 





Sent: Wednesday,
 September 15, 2004 1:27 PM





Subject: RE:
[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater





 



Steve I think you have
more than a problem with Kenwood…it's either your dealer or the way the
situation was handled.  I was a Kenwood dealer for over 20 years (retired
last year), and Kenwood was always responsive to our needs.  I've had
"LEMONS" from every manufacturer including Kenwood and never had a
problem with them replacing the unit…no matter what it was…if I
said I wanted it exchanged..they exchanged it.  There has been a lot of
talk of buying from Kenwood Dealers that don't service their equipment but send
it in to the Depot.  Personally I would never deal with a company that
didn't have the technical expertise to maintain and repair the equipment they
sold.  We always repaired all the equipment we sold "IN HOUSE",
except for DOA's which we promptly got an exchange for the unit or a credit to
our account.

 

So all of that
said…I really don't think Kenwood was the problem….it was whoever
was in-between and apparently whomever you purchased the unit from apparently
is one of these companies that doesn't "SERVICE WHAT THEY SELL".

 

If they can't service it,
then they shouldn't sell it…..end of story.

 

 



Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired
Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org
K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57
Member:  ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and ORC





NØATH



CLIP

It may help to point out that we have several members of our team
who have years of experience with commercial two way. We have all of the
appropriate equipment and operate a number of other repeaters in the Greater Cincinnati area on Amateur, commercial, Public Safety and GMRS. Needless to
say we no longer own anything Kenwood since we need things we can rely on and a
manufacturer that we can rely on to honor their warranty. Kenwood does not do
fit that criteria.



 





Capt. Steve Helton

Communications Division

Emergency Support Services

Federal Emergency Management Agency

Cincinnati CERT Task Force



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater

[Nate Duehr]

Steve Helton wrote:

> We were dealing directly with Kenwood (Cheryl Daly 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]). I wrote 
> numerous e-mails over many months. Let me be clear that it was only 
> after we contacted the Attorney General's office and threatened 
> Kenwood with legal action that they finally agreed to replace the 
> "Lemon" with a new one. This was only after the unit had been to both 
> the East coast AND West coast Kenwood repair facilities numerous times 
> without success. We are still out between $200 and $300 from this 
> event that Kenwood has refused to reimburse us for (for shipping cost 
> back to Kenwood repeatedly). We were told we would be reimbursed (I 
> have multiple e-mails to that effect) but it has never happened.
>  
> We sold the unit and got most (not all) of the money that we 
> originally paid for it back.
>  
> My point is that if an agency like ours cannot rely on Kenwood then 
> the average Joe does not stand a chance. They failed in their 
> corporate responsibility. The other part of this problem is that a 
> high profile tower owner gave us the top spot on their 350+' tower for 
> this system and we kept having to go back to the tower over and over 
> and over and over and over again. It caused us issues with the tower 
> owner that we are just now overcoming.
>  
> I might be willing to rethink my position on Kenwood if they would 
> ever return all of the money we lost during the time we had their 
> product. Maybe some of you dealers could tell us where to go within 
> Kenwood to get our money back.
>  
>  
>  
>
> *Capt. Steve Helton*
>
> *Communications Division*
>
> *Emergency Support Services*
>
> *Federal Emergency Management Agency*
>
> *Cincinnati CERT Task Force*
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
>

Now before you go get all huffy and upset ('cause there seems to be a 
pattern here), please remember that you started this complaint on a 
public list with your FEMA title slapped on your name, and now you have 
me, the guy PAYING for your radios interested in your story -- are you 
just completely mismanaging the funds you took from me in taxes?  I'm 
not trying to be mean here, but seriously... It just sounds like you 
might have just mismanaged the whole situation. 

I'm just an "average Joe" but I'd never let Kenwood or anyone else stomp 
all over me like it appears you guys did. 

-> You should have talked with the Attorney General much sooner than 
"numerous" e-mails and "numerous" trips to both repair facilities. 
-> You should have purchased through a reputable dealer who would be 
able to cover your outage from stock. 
-> If you're an Emergency Services group, where's your BACKUP repeater?!
-> And if you had even a hint of a possibility of a strained 
relationship with your tower owner, by the time you made the third trip 
to the tower you should have had another repeater of whatever model to 
put up there to keep your tower folks happy. 
-> Why didn't you escalate beyond Cheryl if she was non-responsive? 
-> Why did you push so hard for a replacement if they weren't 
responding?  Why not demand a refund?  Reaching into someone's wallet 
pocket always gets their attention better than whining that they won't 
fix something.
-> Did you demand written reports on the repairs as to exactly what was 
wrong so you could see if something in your environment could be causing 
the failures? 
-> If you're truly purchasing for FEMA, were you in contact with other 
local Federal agencies to ask them what types of repeaters they 
recommended and could help with trades in true emergencies?  Many 
Federal agencies talk to the ones that have 2-way system test labs for 
advice before purchasing, and some agencies are required to purchase 
from a list of products that have been tested and certified. 
-> Did you pay a professional to install the repeater so they could 
provide a report of conditions at the site to Kenwood?  Did that 
professional test the feedline, the antenna and the rest of the system 
beyond the repeater to make sure it met all specifications?

Color me skeptical of this whole story -- there's something else going 
on here you're not telling us about.

Complaining to the "public" through a mailing list is probably not the 
brightest of ideas at this point.  Not with your title attached, anyway.

Back up ten steps, talk to the AG and sue the crap out of Kenwood if you 
really think you have a case, Captain.  Otherwise, you may want to 
review your procedures for procurement of new equipment.

Purchase Orders don't get paid until a particular set of circumstances 
are met in my industry (telecommunications)... why don't your purchase 
orders have similar words?

Or just ignore me, I honestly don't really care.  But, $200-$300 bucks 
lost to learn how to improve your process (in the business world anyway, 
who knows what you government guys do) is considered a very CHEAP 
education.  You can learn from it or just blame Kenw

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Voters

[Jamey Wright]

Jamey Wright

-Original Message-
From: Mike WA6ILQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:32 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Voters



At 05:13 PM 9/14/04, you wrote:


>A while back, there was some discussion on voters.  I have read through all
>of that.

>Have you read the two or three voter articles at www.repeater-builder.com
>on the Technical Info page?

Yes I have.

>>I am looking to install one here.

>For what reason?
>Some repeater systems that talk further then they can hear decide to
>add a voter system to try and match the coverage.  Others add a voter
>to improve hand-held coverage inside the existing TX footprint, others
>just add a two channel voter at the main RX site to gain some diversity
>reception.  What is your reason?

I want to extend portable coverage.  We are in an area with lots of hills
and valleys.

>I am planning on bringing my rx sites back on RF and having the rx
>radios at the voter site interface to a status tone (2175 Hz) circuit
>and then feed the voter.

>You are aware that the 2175 status tone is designed for a wired
>system? (where they bring the audio back on leased phone lines).

>And that doing it that way will require you to run the link TX on a
>7x24 basis?  This can get expensive in not only the power bill
>but in replacing links TXs (have you verified that you can get the
>link frequencies there - one per RX site?).  Which band do you
>plan on using for the links? 420MHz, 900MHz or 1296mhz?
>What equipment do you plan on using for the main channel
>RXs and the link radios??  And do you have spares?  Running
>a link TX 7x24x366 just to keep a tone decoder happy will
>quickly determine if your link system is "continuous duty"...

What I planned to do is to have the link rx interface to the status tone
circuit and when it sees a valid signal from the far end, it will drop the
tone.  That way the links don't have to run 24x7.  I don't maintain it but I
know of a public safety system here that does it this way and has done it
for a number of years with no problems.  I plan on using MASTR II RXs at
each site and Maxtrac 900 for the links.

>My question is:
>Does anyone have a circuit to generate the status tones or know of a
>reasonably priced commercially available product.  I just don't want to
>re-invent the wheel if someone else has already dealt w/ this.

>The GE voter used a 1950hz status tone and there was a board that fit
>into the EP-39 aux RX chassis that did just what you want.  If someone
>can post that schematic all you need to do is change the cap in the
>oscillator to pick up the Moto tone frequency.

If it uses 1950 then that is what I'll use.  I have read through the
installation/service manual for the voter and apparently misread the status
tone part.

>There may be a Moto Spectra-Tac card that does the same thing but
>I am not aware of the card name or part number.  And there are a lot
>more GE manuals on PDF floating around that there are Motorola

I have the PDF of the manual for the voter.  I have also been looking for
one for the GE MASTR II Aux receivers but I haven't found one yet.

>If need be I have a simple audio oscillator design that I can email
>you that uses an 88mh toroid and a single transistor.  My first voting
>panel used this tone gen feeding the normally closed contacts of
>the COR.  The relay armature fed the link TX and the normally open
>contacts was the RX audio.  A 10 second carrier delay relay "filled
>in the gaps" of tweak signal flutter.  The link RX COR dropping out
>told the voting panel that the channel was idle.

If you don't mind sending me the schematic, I'd appreciate it.  I have a
design for one but it uses a crystal reference and the crystal is not easy
to find and it takes way more parts.

Jamey Wright
KD4SIY

>Mike WA6ILQ






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