Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention and other Amateur Flea Markets/Events
skipp025 wrote: Re: Dayton Hamvention and other Amateur Flea Markets/Events As I've told a number of people - it looks like they are trying to run it into the ground. Why would you say that? As someone semi in the know about the Previous 5 to 10 Dayton Flea Markets I've mentioned some of the issues in play right here on the group. They're trying like he11 to make people happy and go the extra mile at Dayton. Read the rest of my previous post. In years past, confirmations of spaces was done the year before. This year, we can't even get a reply from them, and it's less than two months away. In case you haven't noticed, the larger ham radio flea markets in general have been smaller in size. I can see clearly see the smaller size of/at many of the long time Amateur Events I attend each year. That's true in my area EXCEPT for the largest ones in the area. Sure, all have suffered some, but many smaller ones are belly-up (or near so). The larger ones are slightly smaller, but are still large. Dayton was always jam packed all three days until the past several years. There were never spots open on Saturday - now there are nearly sections of several hundred spaces open with the exception of a few cars (literally). I personally blame eBay. Yes, really. They wanted to charge Mendelson more for his 97 spaces. He was (reportedly) willing to pay it, but wanted the extra three spaces to make it an even 100. Dayton refused. That is (again reportedly) why Mendelson was not there last year. Is that going the extra mile? There have been spaces open the last few years. Would it have hurt to give someone who paid for 97 spaces 100 of them when you have hundreds of spaces open? It's not dying fast enough for someone... Actually attendance in general was up over some previous years Not vendor attendance. There were even SECTIONS of the inside left unused that were occupied in previous years (and none of them, or very few, are LMR dealers). That was not the case two years ago (maybe three). I bet this year they are close to having an entire building left unused. I hope not, but I fear that will be the case. I'm looking forward to 'discussing' the quality of the TS-2000 driver transistors with the Kenwood reps. 8-( When you have THREE CARS in an entire section (the west one - farthest from the arena) on Sunday, that says something. Yes it does... there are far fewer people doing two-way radio as a business. One of the first years I was there all those sections had non-stop Surplus Radio Dealers dumping 800MHz trunking radios by the truck load. If no one buys radios that are useless, the dealers don't come back. Also the weather was pretty bad for 2 years straight. Pouring rain for two of the three days... The weather is always bad - it's Dayton. :-) You either freeze or burn or drown. (sometimes all three the same weekend) The only trouble last year was Mendelsons trying to strong-arm their own space deal at the last minute. His last minute strong arm tatic didn't work like he thought it would... I wonder just WHO lost, though... It takes two to tango, and there are two sides to every story. Mendelson did a fair job at getting his side out. I made my comments above before I read this part of your post. As for 'last minute', I question that. Reportedly, he always sold many tickets throughout the year, but did not do that last year due to the issue between him and Dayton. If that is true, it says it was much more than a last minute issue. I understand getting a reply from the committee is like pulling teeth this year. In past years, confirmations were received the year before. I know people who are STILL waiting on space confirmations and we're within two months. I believe the Committee is not who you're supposed to contact... more like the Flea Market Chairman/contact? Whoever we have been in contact with for the last umpteen years. I don't do the contacting - I just hear that 'we haven't heard anything back yet'. There is ALWAYS an issue of getting two passes for the two spaces we have. It's worked out every year. This year is a new Flea Market Chairman. Last years Chairman my good friend Tom is just an email away. If you hang out here I'll send him your comments and get an answer. Wait for a follow up post in the next day or two (from me). I would really appreciate that. Last I heard, we haven't heard a word from them/him. Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices?
Look at it this way: If the number of dealers drops, those with money left over will be looking more at your lot. :-) When I first went to Dayton 25 years ago or so, you had to 'fight' your way in to see anything on the flea market tables. Now, you can do a quick walk-by (quicker past the open spaces). Joe M. Paul Finch wrote: Joe, Wow, this is weird, I got your reply BEFORE I got the message back from me! Wonder what's up with that! I heard something about the owners of the arena want to discontinue the Hamvention and sell the property or something like that. That was two years ago the last time I was at Dayton. One other thing, our local club here in Azle, Texas is working on our Hamfest for this year. I think the tables are about $10.00 and all tailgating and fleamarket areas can and may be inside this year! Something is wrong with these prices. I was going to make the trip this year since I have inherited a now bankrupt two way shop, don't know now. I guess I will but I really don't like it! Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:10 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices? As I've told a number of people - it looks like they are trying to run it into the ground. It's not dying fast enough for someone... When you have THREE CARS in an entire section (the west one - farthest from the arena) on Sunday, that says something. I understand getting a reply from the committee is like pulling teeth this year. In past years, confirmations were received the year before. I know people who are STILL waiting on space confirmations and we're within two months. Joe M. Hello, I know this is off-topic but I don't know where to ask this question. I have sent a email to the Hamfest folks by the way, who knows if they will respond. Has anyone looked at the space price listed on their website? It is a graduated price scheme, the more spaces you buy the more it costs you! The price for 3 spaces is almost twice what 2 spaces costs! Why do they do that? They seem to me to be the highest priced Hamfest, anyway this price scheme is just strange! Who is getting rich there? Somebody must be! Paul Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices?
STeve Andre' wrote: I strongly suspect that the price ramp up is to encourage more smaller spaces and thus increase the diversity of equipment. But it's just as possible that it will stifle vendor attendance and result in even more open spaces - of which there were plenty the last couple years. When your vendor attendance is down (you have open spaces), you should give the vendors MORE incentive to attend, not give them higher prices (reasons NOT to come). I think they are trying to maintain the same income they had with a full lot with fewer vendors. People are moving out of the neighborhood? Tax those who stay more to maintain the same municipal income. eyes roll Once your vendor numbers dwindle, you can be sure your attendance numbers will follow. Ted (MDM) wasn't there last year. Maybe he can remind us why. Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Hamvention
Read the rest of my previous post. In years past, confirmations of spaces was done the year before. This year, we can't even get a reply from them, and it's less than two months away. I've been attending Dayton since 1974. This year, I've had two folks contact me to see if I had gotten my tickets yet, as they have not received any word. They need to be more prompt about communications, or they are going to piss a bunch of folks off. Scotty, did we get our tickets/spaces yet? (we hadn't the last time we conversed about it) With that being said, Last year had shown some much needed change in the way the event was run. IMHO It was the best Dayton Hamvention in 15 years. Kevin Custer W3KKC Looking forward to year 32... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: cushcraft UHF 4 bay???
any HD Truck shop has this in a huge can, also check NAPA, you may check the auto parts stores also in their Chemical Adhesives asile. you may want to consult the MSDS Sheet in case anyone has a chemical allergy. mark Robert Brown wrote: Hey guys Name here is Bob VE1BFX just an FYI for you , before you go and put up the antenna there is a wonderful product called 'Never Sieze" I forget who makes it , but let me tell you, if you coat all of the Nuts and screws you will be able to unfasten them years later. I work forCanadian coast guard and it has bee a god send, keeps you from having to hack saw off nuts . ohby the way teh antenna should be broad enough for your repeater regards Bob From:"rush8001" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject:[Repeater-Builder] Re: cushcraft UHF 4 bay??? Date:Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:59:12 - Thanks, Paul, do you know if this will go down to 440 mhz ok without modifications?do the elements have to be spaced out to a defined amount, or just put it up and on the air??? Thanks agai, Rob --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Finch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, If you can keep the harness sealed it will work OK.I had one of those antennas on my first repeater I built back in the 70's (was 2 at the time) and it works fine.I still have the elements, if I ever need a cheap antenna I will make a harness and put it in the air, but not to high.A DB-410 or the later DB-420 antenna would be better but the Cushcraft antenna is the right price.Use Scotchkoat to seal every place available, even the screw heads and nuts and it will have a better chance of lasting. The one I have used very cheap coax for the harness and to joints were worse and where the problems actually occurred. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of rush8001 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:31 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] cushcraft UHF 4 bay??? I have a cushcraft 4 bay antennas with the main elements only about 8", think it's UHF??? Does anyone know the band limits of this antenna, is it any good for a low power repeater? 70cm radio?? -Thanks, Rob Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- MZ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. begin:vcard fn:Mark A. Holman n:Holman;Mark A. email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Webmaster, IT Student note;quoted-printable:IT, Student Member IEEE, Life Member ARRL, Assoc. Member SBE, CRO, ARRL= VE=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.ab8ru.org version:2.1 end:vcard
[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices?
I think you have to look at it as a discount for the little guy, or better yet, a subsidization paid by the larger dealers. The premise being that the more tables you buy, the bigger dealer you are and the more you can afford to pay. That way, they keep the price lower for the individuals who only buy a table or two. You have to agree that when it comes to Dayton, or hamfests in general, the lines are blurred between hams wanting to sell their surplus and dealers making substantial money. This form of progressive pricing is used, I believe, in most commercial expo environments. Scott Madison, WN1B --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Paul Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I know this is off-topic but I don't know where to ask this question. I have sent a email to the Hamfest folks by the way, who knows if they will respond. Has anyone looked at the space price listed on their website? It is a graduated price scheme, the more spaces you buy the more it costs you! The price for 3 spaces is almost twice what 2 spaces costs! Why do they do that? They seem to me to be the highest priced Hamfest, anyway this price scheme is just strange! Who is getting rich there? Somebody must be! Paul Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Stuff for sale
They musta been in a big hurry , I betcha it did not have what I wanted any way .. :-D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 6mtr duplexer Gotta wonder about folks who post "For Sale: All the cool junk in my shed". But.. No name. No call. No phone. No location. mailbox over quota spam-blocker cranked up full-tilt. ..and then can't fathom why... oh nevermind. (:shakes head:) /. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- MZ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. begin:vcard fn:Mark A. Holman n:Holman;Mark A. email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Webmaster, IT Student note;quoted-printable:IT, Student Member IEEE, Life Member ARRL, Assoc. Member SBE, CRO, ARRL= VE=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.ab8ru.org version:2.1 end:vcard
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices?
EmCommWest and the Hamfest/fleamarket are held here in Reno; this year it will be May 6 7th. There has been talk of it moving somewhere else after this year, Las Vegas, perhaps. Richard, N7TGB -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:27 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices? The originator of the now emcommwest fleamarket used to be fun. One year, I bought a whole series of RCA tube manuals for about $5 for the entire box. Another trip, I bought a roll of half inch Helaix for cheap. The fleamarket used to be held in Reno - but unattached to another event. I don't have a clue as how well it is doing now. Neil - WA6KLA Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices? Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:42:23 -0800 At the Hamfest that takes place during our EmCommWest www.emcommwest.org, admission and space rent is free! It is small compared to the others, but the price is right. Richard, N7TGB -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Finch Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:27 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices? Joe, Wow, this is weird, I got your reply BEFORE I got the message back from me! Wonder what's up with that! I heard something about the owners of the arena want to discontinue the Hamvention and sell the property or something like that. That was two years ago the last time I was at Dayton. One other thing, our local club here in Azle, Texas is working on our Hamfest for this year. I think the tables are about $10.00 and all tailgating and fleamarket areas can and may be inside this year! Something is wrong with these prices. I was going to make the trip this year since I have inherited a now bankrupt two way shop, don't know now. I guess I will but I really don't like it! Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:10 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices? As I've told a number of people - it looks like they are trying to run it into the ground. It's not dying fast enough for someone... When you have THREE CARS in an entire section (the west one - farthest from the arena) on Sunday, that says something. I understand getting a reply from the committee is like pulling teeth this year. In past years, confirmations were received the year before. I know people who are STILL waiting on space confirmations and we're within two months. Joe M. Hello, I know this is off-topic but I don't know where to ask this question. I have sent a email to the Hamfest folks by the way, who knows if they will respond. Has anyone looked at the space price listed on their website? It is a graduated price scheme, the more spaces you buy the more it costs you! The price for 3 spaces is almost twice what 2 spaces costs! Why do they do that? They seem to me to be the highest priced Hamfest, anyway this price scheme is just strange! Who is getting rich there? Somebody must be! Paul Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices?
From here, Reno is a nice 7 hour drive - Las Vegas is a whole lot more. I used to attend the Reno swapmeet by driving south the night before, staying overnight in an off the strip motel and going early the next morning. The Reno area really heats up (high desert) by about 11am ... which was my departure time - arriving home (here) in time for supper with friends. I have visited Las Vegas twice since I moved to Oregon 30 years ago - don't miss the drive at all. Las vegas isn't the community I remember when I lived in Southern California back in the seventies. Have a safe drive, Neil - WA6KLA ... in central Oregon ... Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices? Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:00:14 -0800 EmCommWest and the Hamfest/fleamarket are held here in Reno; this year it will be May 6 7th. There has been talk of it moving somewhere else after this year, Las Vegas, perhaps. Richard, N7TGB -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:27 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices? The originator of the now emcommwest fleamarket used to be fun. One year, I bought a whole series of RCA tube manuals for about $5 for the entire box. Another trip, I bought a roll of half inch Helaix for cheap. The fleamarket used to be held in Reno - but unattached to another event. I don't have a clue as how well it is doing now. Neil - WA6KLA Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices? Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:42:23 -0800 At the Hamfest that takes place during our EmCommWest www.emcommwest.org, admission and space rent is free! It is small compared to the others, but the price is right. Richard, N7TGB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] AGT = IMTS ?
Hey, Eric: I had a full-blown duplex UHF IMTS way back when and it, too, had a Secode system. It was about as automatic as one could get back then. In full auto, it would locate an unused channel, lock on it and let you know that it was time to dial. You could also go semi-auto and poke around the channels until you fell on an open one. As I recall, an open channel was indicated by a tone transmitted continuously on the open channel. When the IMTS mobile captured the channel, the tone went away and the Secode stuff did its thing. This IMTS phone was built into an attache case. The RCVR had no squelch, but the RCVR audio was turned off until the radio captured a channel. 73, Dick W1NMZ - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 25 March, 2006 21:24 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] AGT = IMTS ? Skipp, I'm just grasping at straws. The IMTS is a lot more complex than a simple duplex system that might have been used internally by AGT rather than by subscribers. Back in the late 60's, I used a half-duplex GE Pacer (!) radio in an MTS system for a couple of years after IMTS became available. It would have been better to use a full-duplex radio, but this is what I had at the time. The Pacer was an all-tube radio, except for the transistorized power supply. It had a mechanical decoder made by Secode. To make a call, I had to key the handset for a few seconds, and wait for the mobile operator to respond. That was not much more sophisticated than a magneto telephone! I eventually got kicked off the system because there were only a handful of people using the manual MTS- everyone was scrambling to get on the IMTS bandwagon. Ah, yes... Those were the good old days! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of skipp025 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:01 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] AGT = IMTS ? Would the Alberta Gov Telephones system be something like an IMTS (system) operation? Cute to think Motorola came out with something later than the Pulsar for IMTS... or was there a UHF/VHF Privacy Plus IMTS Phone? skipp Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that your full-duplex radio was used in a mobile telephone system by Alberta Government Telephones (AGT), which later changed its name to TELUS. If there's no selective call decoder in it, or loose wiring suggesting that one was connected, it might have used multiple PL tones for simple selection. Just a thought... 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: cushcraft UHF 4 bay???
Permatex makes a version of it and it is called Anti-Seize, usually in a grey container and if it gets thick, just pour in and mix a little bit of engine oil to thin it. You should be able to get it almost any where. Works great on everything. Butch, KE7FEL From: Mark A. Holman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: cushcraft UHF 4 bay??? Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:03:51 -0500 any HD Truck shop has this in a huge can, also check NAPA, you may check the auto parts stores also in their Chemical Adhesives asile. you may want to consult the MSDS Sheet in case anyone has a chemical allergy. mark Robert Brown wrote: Hey guys Name here is Bob VE1BFX just an FYI for you , before you go and put up the antenna there is a wonderful product called 'Never Sieze I forget who makes it , but let me tell you, if you coat all of the Nuts and screws you will be able to unfasten them years later. I work for Canadian coast guard and it has bee a god send, keeps you from having to hack saw off nuts . ohby the way teh antenna should be broad enough for your repeater regards Bob From: /rush8001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Reply-To: /Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com/ To: /Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com/ Subject: /[Repeater-Builder] Re: cushcraft UHF 4 bay???/ Date: /Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:59:12 -/ Thanks, Paul, do you know if this will go down to 440 mhz ok without modifications? do the elements have to be spaced out to a defined amount, or just put it up and on the air??? Thanks agai, Rob --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Paul Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, If you can keep the harness sealed it will work OK. I had one of those antennas on my first repeater I built back in the 70's (was 2 at the time) and it works fine. I still have the elements, if I ever need a cheap antenna I will make a harness and put it in the air, but not to high. A DB-410 or the later DB-420 antenna would be better but the Cushcraft antenna is the right price. Use Scotchkoat to seal every place available, even the screw heads and nuts and it will have a better chance of lasting. The one I have used very cheap coax for the harness and to joints were worse and where the problems actually occurred. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of rush8001 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:31 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] cushcraft UHF 4 bay??? I have a cushcraft 4 bay antennas with the main elements only about 8, think it's UHF??? Does anyone know the band limits of this antenna, is it any good for a low power repeater? 70cm radio?? -Thanks, Rob Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group Repeater-Builder http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- MZ? mark.holman.vcf Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention and other Amateur Flea Markets/Events
Read the rest of my previous post. In years past, confirmations of spaces was done the year before. This year, we can't even get a reply from them, and it's less than two months away. Probably true... but a number of glitches have happened to the Dayton Club. They had to kick out the corporation running the Hamvention into the ground. In the boom years, the corp actually reported a loss back to the club... go figure. The Corp provided little or no records as they went out the door. Everything was done from square one starting a year or two ago. In case you haven't noticed, the larger ham radio flea markets in general have been smaller in size. That's true in my area EXCEPT for the largest ones in the area. Sure, all have suffered some, but many smaller ones are belly-up (or near so). The larger ones are slightly smaller, but are still large. Dayton was always jam packed all three days until the past several years. There were never spots open on Saturday - now there are nearly sections of several hundred spaces open with the exception of a few cars (literally). I personally blame eBay. Yes, really. I agree... not to mention the serious down turn in Land Mobile Radio (LMR aka Two-Way Radio). If you go back far enough, you'll remember all those extra people were selling surplus lmr radios and computer items. One of the buildings was full of mostly computer sales booths. Most of those people are gone. Out here on the West Coast (where the men are men and the sheep are nervous) we used to have huge computer shows 2 or 3 times per month... all moving around through the local fair ground auditoriums. They are all pretty much now gone... only the model railroad, tool sale, crafts and antique shows cycle through... oh yes, the auto/car shows/flea mkts. As a buyer, you'd go to the flea markets to find the sellers not willing to really deal much. Why I can just sell it on Ebay for twice that price. Many times they could... They wanted to charge Mendelson more for his 97 spaces. He was (reportedly) willing to pay it, but wanted the extra three spaces to make it an even 100. Dayton refused. That is (again reportedly) why Mendelson was not there last year. Is that going the extra mile? There have been spaces open the last few years. Would it have hurt to give someone who paid for 97 spaces 100 of them when you have hundreds of spaces open? There's always more to a story than what we learn. What you don't know is how he/they tried their strong arm at the very last minute for their regular location. The flea market spots at that location are considered prime and the Dayton Flea Market folks sold the spots to others because Mendelsons delayed well past a cut off time. They were offered another great location up but turned it down. Actually attendance in general was up over some previous years Not vendor attendance. There were even SECTIONS of the inside left unused that were occupied in previous years (and none of them, or very few, are LMR dealers). That was not the case two years ago (maybe three). I bet this year they are close to having an entire building left unused. I hope not, but I fear that will be the case. Attendance in general is not specific to Vendor Attendance. Yep, there were a lot fewer Vendors, but think about who many of those vendors were... Computer Sales, Back and foot rub machine people, computer software, auto electric car demos and many items that tend to be cyclic at such shows. Over all there is a general core of regular Vendors selling Amateur Items who come back every year... and that's a good thing as seen across the US in many places. I'm looking forward to 'discussing' the quality of the TS-2000 driver transistors with the Kenwood reps. 8-( They might have a fix or retrofit available by now. It takes X-number of faults and direct feedback for a problem to be addressed. The Amateur Radio glitch-fix process often takes much longer than LMR radio. The weather is always bad - it's Dayton. :-) You either freeze or burn or drown. (sometimes all three the same weekend) The killer is rain on Friday and Saturday. A few years ago the rain stopped on Sunday. Most everyone had already gone home. Distant travelers like to use Sunday as travel home time. It's actually one of the most fun times to be in the flea market. I wonder just WHO lost, though... Everyone did... People like Mendelsons and were sad they weren't there. He/they sent people over to the flea market to pass out flyers about a big sale at the store. But you can't wait until the last minute (after a deadline) to try and strong arm a flea market space deal. Those spaces are going to be sold to other people and if you don't like what's left over it's kind of tough... for everyone. It takes two to tango, and there are two sides to every story. Mendelson did a fair job at getting his side
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention
Kevin Custer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been attending Dayton since 1974. Man... I thought I was an old fart... (I actually might be one) this explains much Kevin. You (and I need professional help). This year, I've had two folks contact me to see if I had gotten my tickets yet, as they have not received any word. I'll start shaking the trees from my end of the pipe to see what's up. They need to be more prompt about communications, or they are going to piss a bunch of folks off. Scotty, did we get our tickets/spaces yet? (we hadn't the last time we conversed about it) I'll turn up the heat and see who/what cooks out. With that being said, Last year had shown some much needed change in the way the event was run. IMHO It was the best Dayton Hamvention in 15 years. Kevin Custer W3KKC Looking forward to year 32... Thank you Kevin..! Man you must be old like me... cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices?
Hi Scott, From what I understand, the additional space charges not being discounted was done on purpose to keep (the many) people/vendors in check regarding excessive space use during the jam packed years. When you have/had 25,000 plus people at an event, the space rental was cheap to the larger dealers. They'd take up an entire row or prime space and small types folks would be sent out to the nose bleed sections. All the price levels were set by the previously mentioned Corporation (, which actually reported a loss of income those years) and they were not flexible in any way. From about 2 years ago, the Dayton folks are hands on again, trying like heck to make the Hamvention Event more fun and practical for everyone. Hope to see you there... cheers, skipp wn1b8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you have to look at it as a discount for the little guy, or better yet, a subsidization paid by the larger dealers. The premise being that the more tables you buy, the bigger dealer you are and the more you can afford to pay. That way, they keep the price lower for the individuals who only buy a table or two. You have to agree that when it comes to Dayton, or hamfests in general, the lines are blurred between hams wanting to sell their surplus and dealers making substantial money. This form of progressive pricing is used, I believe, in most commercial expo environments. Scott Madison, WN1B Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention and other Amateur Flea Markets/Events
Same bat-room ... Neil Stay tuned, Same Bat Time... Same Bat Channel cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month
May 06 will be a busy month: Livermore, CA. LARK Ham Swap May 7 Emcommwest (Reno, NV.) May 67 Maybe the South SF Bay (what was the Foothill swap) May 13 (if the weather and schedule permits) IWCE Vegas May 16-19 (Commercial two-way radio Convention) Go to meet Elvis... Sacramento Ham Swap May 19th (boobs won't move it so we Dayton types can attend) Dayton May 19-20 Brauts and smoke from the hot dog tent. TRW in LA..? Arizona Flea Market (Flagstaff?) ...? You guys up in Oregon and WA. don't do a great job of getting the word down here about your flea markets. We'd only come up to look and not stay... :-) (inside joke between CA, OR WA people). Thank goodness for airplanes... hope they've figured out how to make the drinks cold and the buffalo wings hot at the DFW Airport. Last year things were backwards and the ice tasted like chlorine... yuck cheers, skipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From here, Reno is a nice 7 hour drive - Las Vegas is a whole lot more. I used to attend the Reno swapmeet by driving south the night before, staying overnight in an off the strip motel and going early the next morning. The Reno area really heats up (high desert) by about 11am ... which was my departure time - arriving home (here) in time for supper with friends. I have visited Las Vegas twice since I moved to Oregon 30 years ago - don't miss the drive at all. Las vegas isn't the community I remember when I lived in Southern California back in the seventies. Have a safe drive, Neil - WA6KLA ... in central Oregon ... Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices? Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:00:14 -0800 EmCommWest and the Hamfest/fleamarket are held here in Reno; this year it will be May 6 7th. There has been talk of it moving somewhere else after this year, Las Vegas, perhaps. Richard, N7TGB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] AGT = IMTS ?
Dick, You have pretty much described the primary feature of the IMTS (Improved Mobile Telephone System). Although there were 11 channels available, even large cities normally had no more than seven or eight assigned. One vacant channel was always transmitting an idle tone, which all IMTS telephones would seek out and park on. When a base-to-mobile call was initiated, each mobile radio would listen for its unique ID number. When a mismatch occurred, each mobile unit would disengage from that channel and seek an idle tone on another vacant channel. The central office equipment would establish the idle tone on another vacant channel, to capture all of the mismatched mobile units. Obviously, every mobile unit except the one that was called will quickly be monitoring the new idle channel. The called mobile transmits an acknowledge tone, and the CO then connects the caller and called parties together. It's interesting to consider that the analog 800 MHz cellular telephone systems that are still in use today use exactly the same process. Both the Block A and Block B cellular frequency plans include 21 control channels: Block A is 879.390 to 879.990 MHz at 30 kHz intervals, and Block B is 880.020 to 880.620 MHz at 30 kHz intervals. Each cell site transmits a continuous data stream on its assigned control channel, and all mobile phones monitor this channel. The data stream tells each phone where to go when a call comes in, where to go when placing a call, and what control channel to go to when the signal drops below a specified level. Although most carriers are moving to digital systems (CDMA, PCS, GSM, etc.), the analog 800 MHz systems will be around for a few more years to serve the dwindling group of hangers-on. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:44 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] AGT = IMTS ? Hey, Eric: I had a full-blown duplex UHF IMTS way back when and it, too, had a Secode system. It was about as automatic as one could get back then. In full auto, it would locate an unused channel, lock on it and let you know that it was time to dial. You could also go semi-auto and poke around the channels until you fell on an open one. As I recall, an open channel was indicated by a tone transmitted continuously on the open channel. When the IMTS mobile captured the channel, the tone went away and the Secode stuff did its thing. This IMTS phone was built into an attache case. The RCVR had no squelch, but the RCVR audio was turned off until the radio captured a channel. 73, Dick W1NMZ - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 25 March, 2006 21:24 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] AGT = IMTS ? Skipp, I'm just grasping at straws. The IMTS is a lot more complex than a simple duplex system that might have been used internally by AGT rather than by subscribers. Back in the late 60's, I used a half-duplex GE Pacer (!) radio in an MTS system for a couple of years after IMTS became available. It would have been better to use a full-duplex radio, but this is what I had at the time. The Pacer was an all-tube radio, except for the transistorized power supply. It had a mechanical decoder made by Secode. To make a call, I had to key the handset for a few seconds, and wait for the mobile operator to respond. That was not much more sophisticated than a magneto telephone! I eventually got kicked off the system because there were only a handful of people using the manual MTS- everyone was scrambling to get on the IMTS bandwagon. Ah, yes... Those were the good old days! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of skipp025 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:01 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] AGT = IMTS ? Would the Alberta Gov Telephones system be something like an IMTS (system) operation? Cute to think Motorola came out with something later than the Pulsar for IMTS... or was there a UHF/VHF Privacy Plus IMTS Phone? skipp Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that your full-duplex radio was used in a mobile telephone system by Alberta Government Telephones (AGT), which later changed its name to TELUS. If there's no selective call decoder in it, or loose wiring suggesting that one was connected, it might have used multiple PL tones for simple selection. Just a thought... 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention
Now Hold On guys.. I've been there every year since 1973never missed one ! and we'll be there this year :-)) This will be year 34 As a somewhat old Ham, I really appreciate them putting some seating at the end of each row in the flea market. I do miss the big tent at the left rear corner though 73 John VE3AMZ - Original Message - From: skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention Kevin Custer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been attending Dayton since 1974. Man... I thought I was an old fart... (I actually might be one) this explains much Kevin. You (and I need professional help). This year, I've had two folks contact me to see if I had gotten my tickets yet, as they have not received any word. I'll start shaking the trees from my end of the pipe to see what's up. They need to be more prompt about communications, or they are going to piss a bunch of folks off. Scotty, did we get our tickets/spaces yet? (we hadn't the last time we conversed about it) I'll turn up the heat and see who/what cooks out. With that being said, Last year had shown some much needed change in the way the event was run. IMHO It was the best Dayton Hamvention in 15 years. Kevin Custer W3KKC Looking forward to year 32... Thank you Kevin..! Man you must be old like me... cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] AGT = IMTS ?
Eric, in my humble opinion, the cellular system should have stayed analog. From what I've read, the dropped call rate for digitals is about 8 times that of the analogs. The only advantage to going digital is thye ability to crowd more traffic onto a given bandwidth. TNX for the infoi. 73, Dick - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 26 March, 2006 09:56 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] AGT = IMTS ? Dick, You have pretty much described the primary feature of the IMTS (Improved Mobile Telephone System). Although there were 11 channels available, even large cities normally had no more than seven or eight assigned. One vacant channel was always transmitting an idle tone, which all IMTS telephones would seek out and park on. When a base-to-mobile call was initiated, each mobile radio would listen for its unique ID number. When a mismatch occurred, each mobile unit would disengage from that channel and seek an idle tone on another vacant channel. The central office equipment would establish the idle tone on another vacant channel, to capture all of the mismatched mobile units. Obviously, every mobile unit except the one that was called will quickly be monitoring the new idle channel. The called mobile transmits an acknowledge tone, and the CO then connects the caller and called parties together. It's interesting to consider that the analog 800 MHz cellular telephone systems that are still in use today use exactly the same process. Both the Block A and Block B cellular frequency plans include 21 control channels: Block A is 879.390 to 879.990 MHz at 30 kHz intervals, and Block B is 880.020 to 880.620 MHz at 30 kHz intervals. Each cell site transmits a continuous data stream on its assigned control channel, and all mobile phones monitor this channel. The data stream tells each phone where to go when a call comes in, where to go when placing a call, and what control channel to go to when the signal drops below a specified level. Although most carriers are moving to digital systems (CDMA, PCS, GSM, etc.), the analog 800 MHz systems will be around for a few more years to serve the dwindling group of hangers-on. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:44 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] AGT = IMTS ? Hey, Eric: I had a full-blown duplex UHF IMTS way back when and it, too, had a Secode system. It was about as automatic as one could get back then. In full auto, it would locate an unused channel, lock on it and let you know that it was time to dial. You could also go semi-auto and poke around the channels until you fell on an open one. As I recall, an open channel was indicated by a tone transmitted continuously on the open channel. When the IMTS mobile captured the channel, the tone went away and the Secode stuff did its thing. This IMTS phone was built into an attache case. The RCVR had no squelch, but the RCVR audio was turned off until the radio captured a channel. 73, Dick W1NMZ - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 25 March, 2006 21:24 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] AGT = IMTS ? Skipp, I'm just grasping at straws. The IMTS is a lot more complex than a simple duplex system that might have been used internally by AGT rather than by subscribers. Back in the late 60's, I used a half-duplex GE Pacer (!) radio in an MTS system for a couple of years after IMTS became available. It would have been better to use a full-duplex radio, but this is what I had at the time. The Pacer was an all-tube radio, except for the transistorized power supply. It had a mechanical decoder made by Secode. To make a call, I had to key the handset for a few seconds, and wait for the mobile operator to respond. That was not much more sophisticated than a magneto telephone! I eventually got kicked off the system because there were only a handful of people using the manual MTS- everyone was scrambling to get on the IMTS bandwagon. Ah, yes... Those were the good old days! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of skipp025 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:01 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] AGT = IMTS ? Would the Alberta Gov Telephones system be something like an IMTS (system) operation? Cute to think Motorola came out with something later than the Pulsar for IMTS... or was there a UHF/VHF Privacy Plus IMTS Phone? skipp Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that your full-duplex radio was used in a mobile telephone system by Alberta Government Telephones (AGT), which later changed its name to TELUS. If there's no selective call decoder in it, or loose wiring suggesting that one was connected, it
Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month
I've said many times that the OR WA groups that put on ham conventions flea markets could learn a lot from Dayton the California meetings. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:54:32 AM CST From: skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] SNIP You guys up in Oregon and WA. don't do a great job of getting the word down here about your flea markets. We'd only come up to look and not stay... :-) (inside joke between CA, OR WA people). SNIP Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] RE: Hamfests in general
I have noticed that attendance is down a LOT at the hamfests around my area (Chicago)... After talking to some of the vendors, I have to agree that it is becoming more of a coffee-klatch where old farts get together and shoot the bull rather go to buy boat anchors. Even the commercial vendors have virtually all pulled out. In fact, at the DuPage fest, I actually had to ask guys to please move out of the way of one vendor's display so I could at least get to it to view what was being presented for sale -- these guys (5 of them) had decided to chat right in the middle of the aisle. Now I don't mind having a chat or two with guys I haven't seen for a while, but let's do it away from (and not block) where other people are trying to do business. Sorry - soapbox mode off. Mark - N9WYS Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Hamfests in general
I also notice the Lack of Attendance by Sellers, Mark I live in N/W In and just went to the Small Michigan City In Hamfest, Sat it Snowed and it was more like a Garage sale, I could not even find a Few Radio parts I was looking for that use to be common I did find parts for My kitchen sink, a flapper for my toilet USED And some car parts. An Observation and not to offend anyone Dos a lot of Hams go out Drinking all night then stop at White Castle and Then go straight to the Hamfest , and Someone should Sell or Donate some Soap to some. A Heave splash of after Shave lotion is not the answer. And the Most common answers Can I check it out, well I forgot the power cord. I forgot the Manual My Grandfather passed away, and I guess Congratulations is Due for all the Equipment at Ham Fest and E-Bay by NON Smokers Is that by Cigs or Radios? Going for over 35 Yrs Some things Never change, But the Bigger the ham fest and you May not see the Person again Buyer Beware. 73 De Don KA9QJG Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Hamfests in general
Sorry that Hamfest Post was to go direct to Mark, but what I said was True and NO apologies for that. 73 De Don KA9QJG Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month
At 3/26/2006 09:52, you wrote: May 06 will be a busy month: Dayton May 19-20 Brauts and smoke from the hot dog tent. I think the Sunday morning Dayton brats will become a tradition for me. I'm not a brat person (I'm not I'm not), but there's something about a brat for breakfast on the last morning of Dayton. BTW, it's confirmed I won't be going this year, but will definitely try to make it in '07. TRW in LA..? Last Saturday of every month, even if it falls on Christmas day (it did in '04; I wasn't there but I was told about 1/3 to 1/2 of the usual crowd showed up). At any rate, not sure if it's worth coming all the way down from the Sac. Valley for. Arizona Flea Market (Flagstaff?) ...? I thought that moved to Williams. I went the last year it was in Flag'. Respectable turnout, just needed to do away with the announcements every 15 minutes over the outdoor loudspeakers to come inside stop by the ARRL table to meet your ARRL dignitaries. That gets old after a while. It did have something Dayton never had AFAIK: a balloon launch carrying ATV a crossband repeater. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention
My first Dayton was in 1969. Saturday was the only day. We parked about 3 or 4 rows away from the main entrance at about 10 in the morning and closed the show around 5pm. The arena was the only area used I believe. The big dealers were Drake, Mosley, Cushcraft, Collins, Swan among others who are probably out of the business. Wish I had kept the program.Flea market spaces were free then and for several years until the garbage left behind became more than what the volunteers could clean up in a few hours. You should see the post Hamvention flea market mess now!!! Looks like a dump!!! Unfortunately I missed several years in the later 90's and early 00's but we're going this year! Hoping for good weather!!! Mike, WB8CXO - Original Message - From: John J. Riddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention Now Hold On guys.. I've been there every year since 1973never missed one ! and we'll be there this year :-)) This will be year 34 As a somewhat old Ham, I really appreciate them putting some seating at the end of each row in the flea market. I do miss the big tent at the left rear corner though 73 John VE3AMZ - Original Message - From: skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention Kevin Custer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been attending Dayton since 1974. Man... I thought I was an old fart... (I actually might be one) this explains much Kevin. You (and I need professional help). This year, I've had two folks contact me to see if I had gotten my tickets yet, as they have not received any word. I'll start shaking the trees from my end of the pipe to see what's up. They need to be more prompt about communications, or they are going to piss a bunch of folks off. Scotty, did we get our tickets/spaces yet? (we hadn't the last time we conversed about it) I'll turn up the heat and see who/what cooks out. With that being said, Last year had shown some much needed change in the way the event was run. IMHO It was the best Dayton Hamvention in 15 years. Kevin Custer W3KKC Looking forward to year 32... Thank you Kevin..! Man you must be old like me... cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Hamfests in general
Hello all from Adam Kb2Jpd Just returned from the Timonium Hamfest over at the Maryland Fairgrounds in Maryland. It was a decent size hamfest and there was plenty of stuff to buy, swap and take home. There was the eBay effect - I call it when a vendor is selling a item, and had priorly priced the item on eBay, as a reference. You then see the vendor reluntant to move from his preconceived value of the item is. If I was him, I would have post it on eBay so he can see what he would really get for it. The eBay effect stung and struck a few times but overall it was a pretty decent hamfest and it was not more of a computerfest as those in the past. Yes, there were those getting rid of the boat anchors and those making space for this years junk. Some of the guys there thought the turnout was less. Yes, the weather forcast did jinx the opening of the fest. Just a few miles away in PA, they received two or so inches of wet snow. Timonium, on the other hand, started with high overcast and then the sun beamed thru in the late morning. If you are looking for parts, they were there. However, the smaller hamfests are taking a big hit, thanks to the lower attendances, and due to the Internet auction effect. Lets see how pronounced it will be when Google decides to go into the eBay business. Anyway, had a fine time there and look forward for the rest this season before summer arrives. Adam Kb2Jpd YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
OT: Again RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention and other Amateur Flea Markets/Events
Skipp, How would inflating the prices be a good thing? This Hamfest is much higher that any other I have ever been to! Granted, it is the largest but does that make it right for the to double the charge for one more fleamarket space? $70.00 for one space is really high enough, I don't understand the $90.00 for the 3rd and 4th spaces and even higher for more! Amateur Radio operators are not rolling in dough, at least most of us. I don't understand the tiered pricing that they have. Most people give a discount for multiple of anything they sell, not the Hamvention crew. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of skipp025 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:40 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention and other Amateur Flea Markets/Events Re: Dayton Hamvention and other Amateur Flea Markets/Events As I've told a number of people - it looks like they are trying to run it into the ground. Why would you say that? As someone semi in the know about the Previous 5 to 10 Dayton Flea Markets I've mentioned some of the issues in play right here on the group. They're trying like he11 to make people happy and go the extra mile at Dayton. In case you haven't noticed, the larger ham radio flea markets in general have been smaller in size. I can see clearly see the smaller size of/at many of the long time Amateur Events I attend each year. Right about the time Nextel and Cell Phones started a trek to kill off Land Mobile Radio... all the old time Two-Way Dealers went out of business or retired (sold out their 800 freqs to Nextel). So you don't see nearly the number of old time two way shop types at the flea markets because we/they seem to be a much smaller number. I'm happy to report that smart persons doing LMR (Land Mobile Radio ... aka commercial two-way radio) and providing true radio service are holding up fairly well. It's not dying fast enough for someone... Actually attendance in general was up over some previous years When you have THREE CARS in an entire section (the west one - farthest from the arena) on Sunday, that says something. Yes it does... there are far fewer people doing two-way radio as a business. One of the first years I was there all those sections had non-stop Surplus Radio Dealers dumping 800MHz trunking radios by the truck load. If no one buys radios that are useless, the dealers don't come back. Also the weather was pretty bad for 2 years straight. Pouring rain for two of the three days... The only trouble last year was Mendelsons trying to strong-arm their own space deal at the last minute. His last minute strong arm tatic didn't work like he thought it would... I understand getting a reply from the committee is like pulling teeth this year. In past years, confirmations were received the year before. I know people who are STILL waiting on space confirmations and we're within two months. I believe the Committee is not who you're supposed to contact... more like the Flea Market Chairman/contact? This year is a new Flea Market Chairman. Last years Chairman my good friend Tom is just an email away. If you hang out here I'll send him your comments and get an answer. Wait for a follow up post in the next day or two (from me). chow for now... skipp Back to punching the clown... I mean trying to program a 2 watt Pyramid Vehicle Repeater. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Mouse-tr II chassis - free
I have a Mastr II chassis that apparently a group of mice were living in without permission and without paying rent (is there such a thing as a mouse crack house?). Anyway, if anyone wants it, let me know before before 10 PM EST tonight else it goes out for the morning trash. It's just the chassis, backplane, door, harness, speaker, etc., no PA, no cards in the shelf, no exciter, no receiver, no system board, no lid. And it's anything but clean. --- Jeff Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month
Sure, I have attended several Pacific Division ARRL Conventions - each one has had its peculiar screwups ... one of those I don't think they'll ever catch on to. I have attended a few Southwest Division ARRL Conventions ... one I attended in the early seventies, was as mis-matched as I couldn't believe. I lived out of town - and had to direct traffic via the radio as the hosts seemed to be out of contact with what should have been going on. Overall, it was good convention anyway. Part of the problem was the hosts were planning on several hundred attendees ... not the 1700 - 1800 who finally showed up. The banquet was originally sold at 700? tickets, another 600 or so bought banquet tickets the day of the convention - Saturday. I have never attended the Dayton event - and at this point in my life, probably never will as my garage is too full now. Life at your local convention / hamfest is as good as you make it. 73, Neil - WA6KLA Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:44:26 -0600 I've said many times that the OR WA groups that put on ham conventions flea markets could learn a lot from Dayton the California meetings. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:54:32 AM CST From: skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] SNIP You guys up in Oregon and WA. don't do a great job of getting the word down here about your flea markets. We'd only come up to look and not stay... :-) (inside joke between CA, OR WA people). SNIP Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month
It is interesting to go to the Northwest Division conventions hamfests hear the attendees talk about how large the convention is or how good it is. These comments make if obvious they have never been to any REAL conventions hamfests. Sea-Pac is a prime example of this issue. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:15:44 PM CST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month Sure, I have attended several Pacific Division ARRL Conventions - each one has had its peculiar screwups ... one of those I don't think they'll ever catch on to. I have attended a few Southwest Division ARRL Conventions ... one I attended in the early seventies, was as mis-matched as I couldn't believe. I lived out of town - and had to direct traffic via the radio as the hosts seemed to be out of contact with what should have been going on. Overall, it was good convention anyway. Part of the problem was the hosts were planning on several hundred attendees ... not the 1700 - 1800 who finally showed up. The banquet was originally sold at 700? tickets, another 600 or so bought banquet tickets the day of the convention - Saturday. I have never attended the Dayton event - and at this point in my life, probably never will as my garage is too full now. Life at your local convention / hamfest is as good as you make it. 73, Neil - WA6KLA Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:44:26 -0600 I've said many times that the OR WA groups that put on ham conventions flea markets could learn a lot from Dayton the California meetings. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:54:32 AM CST From: skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] SNIP You guys up in Oregon and WA. don't do a great job of getting the word down here about your flea markets. We'd only come up to look and not stay... :-) (inside joke between CA, OR WA people). SNIP Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month
One of the nice things about the local convention and hamfests in the northwest is the lack of the higher costs of travelling further to the distant events. Just my opinion, I know, but costs (fuel prices, hotel rooms etc.) aren't getting any cheaper. John, have you ever attended the Western Consumer Electronics Show (CES) the International Wireless Communications Expo (IWCE) ... or served on the committee for the 2006 APCO Western Region APCO Conference a few days ago at the Oregon Convention Center? There is where you learn how to do it properly. 73 - Neil - WA6KLA Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:31:47 -0600 It is interesting to go to the Northwest Division conventions hamfests hear the attendees talk about how large the convention is or how good it is. These comments make if obvious they have never been to any REAL conventions hamfests. Sea-Pac is a prime example of this issue. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:15:44 PM CST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month Sure, I have attended several Pacific Division ARRL Conventions - each one has had its peculiar screwups ... one of those I don't think they'll ever catch on to. I have attended a few Southwest Division ARRL Conventions ... one I attended in the early seventies, was as mis-matched as I couldn't believe. I lived out of town - and had to direct traffic via the radio as the hosts seemed to be out of contact with what should have been going on. Overall, it was good convention anyway. Part of the problem was the hosts were planning on several hundred attendees ... not the 1700 - 1800 who finally showed up. The banquet was originally sold at 700? tickets, another 600 or so bought banquet tickets the day of the convention - Saturday. I have never attended the Dayton event - and at this point in my life, probably never will as my garage is too full now. Life at your local convention / hamfest is as good as you make it. 73, Neil - WA6KLA Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Hamfests in general
I live in NW Ohio, near Toledo, and I waited until Thursday evening to email the Michigan City hamfest coordinator to ask for table spaces. I got them - he wasted no time in getting back to me, to get me to show up. THIS kind of effort deserves to be noticed about the smaller swaps. YEAH - it was small. YEAH - there was a lot of junk. YEAH - some of the people smelled bad. YEAH - if you weren't smart, you mighta gotten rooked. YEAH - all that happens everywhere at the hamfests - been that way for years. I had a great time - got to see my IN and western MI buddies, and made way more sales than the money I spent buying trinkets. As usual, the only youngsters I saw there were looking at the computer stuff. Us oldsters better get busier making RADIO look good again... At 01:36 PM 3/26/06 -0600, you wrote: I also notice the Lack of Attendance by Sellers, Mark I live in N/W In and just went to the Small Michigan City In Hamfest, Sat it Snowed and it was more like a Garage sale, I could not even find a Few Radio parts I was looking for that use to be common I did find parts for My kitchen sink, a flapper for my toilet USED And some car parts. An Observation and not to offend anyone Dos a lot of Hams go out Drinking all night then stop at White Castle and Then go straight to the Hamfest , and Someone should Sell or Donate some Soap to some. A Heave splash of after Shave lotion is not the answer. And the Most common answers Can I check it out, well I forgot the power cord. I forgot the Manual My Grandfather passed away, and I guess Congratulations is Due for all the Equipment at Ham Fest and E-Bay by NON Smokers Is that by Cigs or Radios? Going for over 35 Yrs Some things Never change, But the Bigger the ham fest and you May not see the Person again Buyer Beware. 73 De Don KA9QJG - Adam - Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Hamvention
things were snipped Lack of communication - what a concept in the radio world!?! I've had the same circumstance twice now since the club took back the actual running of the hamfest - Two years in a row, I tried to get spots for myself in the flea market, with no return response from messages left on the hotline answering machine, OR from my emails to the listed address. I also started going to Dayton in 1974, and for the last three years, and the next few more, probably won't attend again. And that's sad on MY part, as I love radio and hamfests in general... I've been attending Dayton since 1974. This year, I've had two folks contact me to see if I had gotten my tickets yet, as they have not received any word. They need to be more prompt about communications, or they are going to piss a bunch of folks off. Scotty, did we get our tickets/spaces yet? (we hadn't the last time we conversed about it) - Adam - Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: OT: Again RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention and other Amateur Flea Markets/Events
Paul: Perhaps it is logical to conclude that the escalating flea market costs are to discourage big vendors coming in and taking all the spaces from small vendors and so encourage more small vendors. Of course, a small vendor is a relative thing at Dayton. Still, I know people who buy flea market spaces just to have a place to park in the flea market. They may set some things out, but they are not really worth buying. I have attended each Dayton Hamvention since 1975. It has changed substantially. Not only the decline in land mobile, but e-bay, has affected it. So many times I would go to Dayton and find something that I didn't know I wanted until I saw it. Lately, I go looking for something and never find it. Meanwhile E-bay delivers an e-mail the first time what ever I am looking for turns up. The last couple of years I have seen so much stuff at Dayton that probably is there for the simple reason there is no market to sell it on e-bay. On the other hand, the unusual will still show up. A couple of years ago, somebody had some IC-900 modules for 1200 Mhz. I managed to get one to round out my remote base stack. Many years ago, I bought a Securenet Micor and had a friend bring it back. It was unusual at the time, more common today. Once I paid about $75.00 each for Repco 900 Mhz links. Two years ago at Dallas Hamcom, I bought 4 of them for $20.00. Things change. For me, going to Dayton is like skiing. Nobody goes skiing to save money. Consider the plane fare, motel rooms, and other expenses, I don't save any money at Dayton anymore so I go if I can to visit with all the friends I have made over the years. Micheal Salem N5MS Paul Finch wrote: Skipp, How would inflating the prices be a good thing? This Hamfest is much higher that any other I have ever been to! Granted, it is the largest but does that make it right for the to double the charge for one more fleamarket space? $70.00 for one space is really high enough, I don't understand the $90.00 for the 3rd and 4th spaces and even higher for more! Amateur Radio operators are not rolling in dough, at least most of us. I don't understand the tiered pricing that they have. Most people give a discount for multiple of anything they sell, not the Hamvention crew. Paul Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month
Neil- No, I have never attended CES or IWCE or APCO. NONE of those groups are amateur radio gatherings. I have attended the following amateur radio gatherings: Dayton Hamvention (MANY times), Foot Hill College Swap meets, about 3 ARRL National Conventions. I have also attended (non-amateur conventions) of NAB in Las Vegas (many times), NFCB (National Federation of Community Broadcasters). These conventions are where you learn how to do it properly!! My employer is hosting the NFCB conference this year, I am part of the planning for the conference. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:45:53 PM CST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SNIP John, have you ever attended the Western Consumer Electronics Show (CES) the International Wireless Communications Expo (IWCE) ... or served on the committee for the 2006 APCO Western Region APCO Conference a few days ago at the Oregon Convention Center? There is where you learn how to do it properly. 73 - Neil - WA6KLA Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:31:47 -0600 It is interesting to go to the Northwest Division conventions hamfests hear the attendees talk about how large the convention is or how good it is. These comments make if obvious they have never been to any REAL conventions hamfests. Sea-Pac is a prime example of this issue. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:15:44 PM CST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month Sure, I have attended several Pacific Division ARRL Conventions - each one has had its peculiar screwups ... one of those I don't think they'll ever catch on to. I have attended a few Southwest Division ARRL Conventions ... one I attended in the early seventies, was as mis-matched as I couldn't believe. I lived out of town - and had to direct traffic via the radio as the hosts seemed to be out of contact with what should have been going on. Overall, it was good convention anyway. Part of the problem was the hosts were planning on several hundred attendees ... not the 1700 - 1800 who finally showed up. The banquet was originally sold at 700? tickets, another 600 or so bought banquet tickets the day of the convention - Saturday. I have never attended the Dayton event - and at this point in my life, probably never will as my garage is too full now. Life at your local convention / hamfest is as good as you make it. 73, Neil - WA6KLA Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month
Hi John ... Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:07:08 -0600 Neil- No, I have never attended CES or IWCE or APCO. NONE of those groups are amateur radio gatherings. However, since you like to build repeaters (else why would you be on here?) ... apparently you are not aware the IWCE and the APCO Conference have commercial exhibitors who sell parts you might be able to use on your repeaters. I have attended the following amateur radio gatherings: Dayton Hamvention (MANY times), Foot Hill College Swap meets, about 3 ARRL National Conventions. Only 3? I have also attended (non-amateur conventions) of NAB in Las Vegas (many times), NFCB (National Federation of Community Broadcasters). Good for you !!! These conventions are where you learn how to do it properly!! If you chose to take notes ... ;) My employer is hosting the NFCB conference this year, I am part of the planning for the conference. Excellent !!! I am very proud of you! Did that Metrum II crystal part number message I sent you a few days ago, do you any good? Neil - WA6KLA -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:45:53 PM CST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SNIP John, have you ever attended the Western Consumer Electronics Show (CES) the International Wireless Communications Expo (IWCE) ... or served on the committee for the 2006 APCO Western Region APCO Conference a few days ago at the Oregon Convention Center? There is where you learn how to do it properly. 73 - Neil - WA6KLA Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mouse-tr II chassis - free
Jeff, Sounds like a good piece for recycling. You should be able to get a couple of bucks from the metal recycle guys. Vincent N6OA - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mouse-tr II chassis - free I have a Mastr II chassis that apparently a group of mice were living in without permission and without paying rent (is there such a thing as a mouse crack house?). Anyway, if anyone wants it, let me know before before 10 PM EST tonight else it goes out for the morning trash. It's just the chassis, backplane, door, harness, speaker, etc., no PA, no cards in the shelf, no exciter, no receiver, no system board, no lid. And it's anything but clean. --- Jeff Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mouse-tr II chassis - free
Jeff, Pull the cabling harnesses out, and throw it in the dishwasher.. I used to do that with old Collins gear when I worked in radio repair. You just gotta be careful how much dishwashing detergent you use... not fun when all the resistor bands disappear! Do it right and it will come out looking new. This is a prime example from last summer... http://65.173.252.47/auction_pix/30L_1.htm A guy in Oklahoma paid 900 bucks for the thing!! Folks would be surprised at some of the methods we used on the old AN-VRC series radios. You can't do that with the plastic gear today... Seems that was a lifetime ago... dem wuz da daze!!! 73 Mike K5JMP www.k5jmp.us -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of vmckever Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:44 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mouse-tr II chassis - free Jeff, Sounds like a good piece for recycling. You should be able to get a couple of bucks from the metal recycle guys. Vincent N6OA - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mouse-tr II chassis - free I have a Mastr II chassis that apparently a group of mice were living in without permission and without paying rent (is there such a thing as a mouse crack house?). Anyway, if anyone wants it, let me know before before 10 PM EST tonight else it goes out for the morning trash. It's just the chassis, backplane, door, harness, speaker, etc., no PA, no cards in the shelf, no exciter, no receiver, no system board, no lid. And it's anything but clean. --- Jeff Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month
Yea, I stopped after 3 ARRL National Conventions because they were so VERY boring. I don't need IWCE or APCO for repeater building supplies. Dayton and Ebay supply pretty much all I need. Thanks for the info on the Metrum II. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 06:36:24 PM CST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month Hi John ... Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] May 06 is a busy Month Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:07:08 -0600 Neil- No, I have never attended CES or IWCE or APCO. NONE of those groups are amateur radio gatherings. However, since you like to build repeaters (else why would you be on here?) ... apparently you are not aware the IWCE and the APCO Conference have commercial exhibitors who sell parts you might be able to use on your repeaters. I have attended the following amateur radio gatherings: Dayton Hamvention (MANY times), Foot Hill College Swap meets, about 3 ARRL National Conventions. Only 3? I have also attended (non-amateur conventions) of NAB in Las Vegas (many times), NFCB (National Federation of Community Broadcasters). Good for you !!! These conventions are where you learn how to do it properly!! If you chose to take notes ... ;) My employer is hosting the NFCB conference this year, I am part of the planning for the conference. Excellent !!! I am very proud of you! Did that Metrum II crystal part number message I sent you a few days ago, do you any good? Neil - WA6KLA -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:45:53 PM CST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SNIP John, have you ever attended the Western Consumer Electronics Show (CES) the International Wireless Communications Expo (IWCE) ... or served on the committee for the 2006 APCO Western Region APCO Conference a few days ago at the Oregon Convention Center? There is where you learn how to do it properly. 73 - Neil - WA6KLA Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Bandpass Can to Duplexer
Herold, I agree that it would be a ton easier with a network analyzer. What happened in my case was the loop in the PD-1173 can was about 8.5 inches long (8.5 down and 8.5 back up). It seemed that was way longer as compared to what was seen in other bandpass cans. After reading the theory page on Repeater-Builder from John Portune W6NBC, he says it really doesn't matter the size or shape of the loop (as far as the response goes). But as you mentioned, the loop length DOES effect the jumper length required. So after taking a few other bandpass cans apart and measuring their loops, I decided to cut the PD loops down to 3.5 inches. This allowed the jumpers that were the same length as on the duplexer to give a good match. In the end, it was a lot of reading, followed by some good suggestions from this group (and recognizing the need for a network anlyzer). Dwayne Kincaid WD8OYG Not exactly right. The length of the cable between the pass cavity and a notch or pass reject cavity has to be 1/4 wave length including the length of the loop in the bandpass cavity and that is why the cable lengths are different for different cavity brands that have different loop sizes. If the length of that cable is too short for the mounting arrangement, then add 1/2 wavelength (in cable) to that short cable. With a Network analyser, one can see that the length is optimised by viewing the effects of different cable lengths with respect to the effect of the total return loss, insertion loss, the bandpass response (whether it adds properly as opposed to having 2 pass bumps with a dip in the middle like a camel) and the effect of the individual tuning of the cavities. With the proper length cable, one can tune the cavities individually and when placed together, the tuning is not effected. With the wrong lengths, the tuning of the cavities is affected. I am not familiar with those products mentioned but in Sinclair top mounted loops between a Q can and a Pass can, the length is 3 to 4 similar to the feedthrough harness end connection length. Life is easier with a Network Analyser. Harold Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Two-Way Radio Shop
Skipp, This was a Motorola Service Shop in West Texas. They were trying to get into the wireless Internet business and went first class, new trucks and all. They only lasted about 6 months. The main thing I would be selling is the Motorola Service manuals, everything from Micors to Syntors and MSF 2000(?). I did not want to drool too much in front of the guy that's giving it to me lest he might charge me for the goods. Main thing he wants is to get it out of the building and he knows it's worth something, just not sure how much. The space in the building is worth more than the Motorola stuff. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of skipp025 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:57 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Two-Way Radio Shop Paul Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to make the trip this year since I have inherited a now bankrupt two way shop, don't know now. I guess I will but I really don't like it! Paul What caused the shop to go bankrupt..? Someone once told me not to try and make serious money in Ham Radio (for a number of now obvious reasons). A number of the flea market spaces are held by people trying to make a living fliping radios, used computers and surplus electronics. Don't forget the bootleg computer programs... In case anyone hasn't noticed there's a serious glut of used electronics and dead cars in the US. The people now going to Dayton... are there for some of the better reasons renewed. To have fun, meet people, see new products, meet up with friends, sell a few used things in the parking lot, selling some new products in the parking lot as well as getting the word out about new products. F Not to mention the brauts and fine seating in the ice rink... cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [SPAM] [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Bandpass Can to Duplexer
Dwayne, I have a HP-8753E, and a HP8753C.. bring your toys to Manassas during business hours, and we can take a look at it. 73 Mike K5JMP www.k5jmp.us -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ldgelectronics Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:24 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM] [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Bandpass Can to Duplexer Herold, I agree that it would be a ton easier with a network analyzer. What happened in my case was the loop in the PD-1173 can was about 8.5 inches long (8.5 down and 8.5 back up). It seemed that was way longer as compared to what was seen in other bandpass cans. After reading the theory page on Repeater-Builder from John Portune W6NBC, he says it really doesn't matter the size or shape of the loop (as far as the response goes). But as you mentioned, the loop length DOES effect the jumper length required. So after taking a few other bandpass cans apart and measuring their loops, I decided to cut the PD loops down to 3.5 inches. This allowed the jumpers that were the same length as on the duplexer to give a good match. In the end, it was a lot of reading, followed by some good suggestions from this group (and recognizing the need for a network anlyzer). Dwayne Kincaid WD8OYG Not exactly right. The length of the cable between the pass cavity and a notch or pass reject cavity has to be 1/4 wave length including the length of the loop in the bandpass cavity and that is why the cable lengths are different for different cavity brands that have different loop sizes. If the length of that cable is too short for the mounting arrangement, then add 1/2 wavelength (in cable) to that short cable. With a Network analyser, one can see that the length is optimised by viewing the effects of different cable lengths with respect to the effect of the total return loss, insertion loss, the bandpass response (whether it adds properly as opposed to having 2 pass bumps with a dip in the middle like a camel) and the effect of the individual tuning of the cavities. With the proper length cable, one can tune the cavities individually and when placed together, the tuning is not effected. With the wrong lengths, the tuning of the cavities is affected. I am not familiar with those products mentioned but in Sinclair top mounted loops between a Q can and a Pass can, the length is 3 to 4 similar to the feedthrough harness end connection length. Life is easier with a Network Analyser. Harold Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
OT: Again RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention and other Amateur Flea M
Paul Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skipp, How would inflating the prices be a good thing? It's probably not a good thing. From what I understand it was done to discourage people from overkill hogging of space when the flea market was greatly impacted. Many of us know people who rent the extra spaces just to have the ticket to get in early and have a parking place for the extra cars/trucks. Abuse happens and it is/was a way the now 86'd Corporation People thought up to keep the space hogs under control. I'm sure things will change if much open space is left over each year. It's my opinion the flea market is the big part of the event and many of the various event operators just don't realize it. Hamcon out here in Northern California is a big dud each year and they have yet to catch on about it. One year the Hamcon people had lots of flea market space and the place was nuts busy. Then they hosed up the flea market and the event has been in the tank ever since. This Hamfest is much higher that any other I have ever been to! Granted, it is the largest but does that make it right for the to double the charge for one more fleamarket space? There is no right in any example. $70.00 for one space is really high enough, I don't understand the $90.00 for the 3rd and 4th spaces and even higher for more! Amateur Radio operators are not rolling in dough, at least most of us. I don't understand the tiered pricing that they have. Most people give a discount for multiple of anything they sell, not the Hamvention crew. Paul From what I've heard, the higher prices applied to spaces next to each other... not to spaces per person away from each other. There was great abuse of the space allocations years back. People with money were renting the prime spots in many rows. There were cases of business people buying large groups of prime row spaces months ahead of time... many were resold for a hefty profit. Small item hams were given a chance to sell at the single space price. If you needed more than one space, you are/were not considered a small item or one time item person... but a dealer as the majority are/were. I'm waiting to hear (read actually) the answers to the questions I forwarded along. We'll see what turns up. Cheers Paul, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Two-Way Radio Shop
Paul Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skipp, This was a Motorola Service Shop in West Texas. They were trying to get into the wireless Internet business and went first class, new trucks and all. They only lasted about 6 months. The wifi guys out here on the West Coast are beating each other up over prices and service... whey they're not jamming each others systems. The main thing I would be selling is the Motorola Service manuals, everything from Micors to Syntors and MSF 2000(?). I did not want to drool too much in front of the guy that's giving it to me lest he might charge me for the goods. MSF-5000 or MSR-2000 I saw a stack of Syntor Mobile radios on a wood flat yesterday. I could probaby buy the pallet for $100, which is almost a crime. Poor Syntor mobiles are worth little or nothing these days... Main thing he wants is to get it out of the building and he knows it's worth something, just not sure how much. The space in the building is worth more than the Motorola stuff. Paul Yep, my old SF Bay Area Motorola Service Shop was paying $17,000 a month rent... but we had a great view of an auto parts recycler on the other side of the railroad tracks... The shop was closed a few years ago and the remaining people work from vans and cell phones. Yuck... Good luck with your manuals... cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Flea market space prices?
Joe, I think you hit the nail on the head, when I was there two years ago I heard that the family that owns the complex really did not want to be in that kind of business and wanted to sell it to a land developer. I have no idea if that true but several people said the same thing. It's really sad, they have a great facility for the Hamfest. I really hope this is not a trend in Hamfests whether or not it's eBay's fault! Our Tri County Amateur Radio Club is moving our Hamfest to a new, much larger facility next year. We use the Hamfest as a fund raiser for our club but we only charge a minimum fee for tables and admission and in previous years the tailgate section was free. This year, since the tailgate section is inside we will be charging a minimum fee. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mch Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:44 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices? STeve Andre' wrote: I strongly suspect that the price ramp up is to encourage more smaller spaces and thus increase the diversity of equipment. But it's just as possible that it will stifle vendor attendance and result in even more open spaces - of which there were plenty the last couple years. When your vendor attendance is down (you have open spaces), you should give the vendors MORE incentive to attend, not give them higher prices (reasons NOT to come). I think they are trying to maintain the same income they had with a full lot with fewer vendors. People are moving out of the neighborhood? Tax those who stay more to maintain the same municipal income. eyes roll Once your vendor numbers dwindle, you can be sure your attendance numbers will follow. Ted (MDM) wasn't there last year. Maybe he can remind us why. Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Band pass cavity loop lengths
What happened in my case was the loop in the PD-1173 can was about 8.5 inches long (8.5 down and 8.5 back up). It seemed that was way longer as compared to what was seen in other bandpass cans. After reading the theory page on Repeater-Builder from John Portune W6NBC, he says it really doesn't matter the size or shape of the loop (as far as the response goes). Well not really. The proper loop length is a big deal. Too small is really bad news and too large is really hard to work with. If your cavity depends on re-entrant energy it would matter a great deal how big the size and shape of the loop/probe is. If the loop/probe length was really out of line, you might not get a good return loss (swr) through the reactive sections. But as you mentioned, the loop length DOES effect the jumper length required. Quite a bit and it's considered a mostly air dilectric element. So after taking a few other bandpass cans apart and measuring their loops, I decided to cut the PD loops down to 3.5 inches. This allowed the jumpers that were the same length as on the duplexer to give a good match. Smart move... and probably the right move. In the end, it was a lot of reading, followed by some good suggestions from this group (and recognizing the need for a network anlyzer). Open thy wallet and hold thy breath cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Hamvention
Kevin, Sorry about being the one that started this thread, it's not really the correct message board for it. See below for a link to a Hamfest group. I understand last years Hamvention was the first in years that it did not rain, I was not there, I was the year before and I was not able to get the tarps off the tables all day Saturday. That is a act of God and can not be blamed on the folks running the event. Guess what I am asking is a round about way is why was it the best ever, I know the lack of rain helped but what are the other reasons it was a the best Hamfest ever? I just did a search on Yahoo groups and there is a Hamfest group, it says it's for announcing your Hamfests, I wonder if it would be OK to talk about the Dayton problems? Here is the link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hamfest/ . Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Custer Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:24 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Hamvention Read the rest of my previous post. In years past, confirmations of spaces was done the year before. This year, we can't even get a reply from them, and it's less than two months away. I've been attending Dayton since 1974. This year, I've had two folks contact me to see if I had gotten my tickets yet, as they have not received any word. They need to be more prompt about communications, or they are going to piss a bunch of folks off. Scotty, did we get our tickets/spaces yet? (we hadn't the last time we conversed about it) With that being said, Last year had shown some much needed change in the way the event was run. IMHO It was the best Dayton Hamvention in 15 years. Kevin Custer W3KKC Looking forward to year 32... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices?
Scott, OK, I will go along with that but I am not a big dealer but I learned two years ago when I was there with nothing sold on Saturday due to rain you have to be under a tent. That along would take at least three slots. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of wn1b8 Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:10 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: Dayton Fleamarket space prices? I think you have to look at it as a discount for the little guy, or better yet, a subsidization paid by the larger dealers. The premise being that the more tables you buy, the bigger dealer you are and the more you can afford to pay. That way, they keep the price lower for the individuals who only buy a table or two. You have to agree that when it comes to Dayton, or hamfests in general, the lines are blurred between hams wanting to sell their surplus and dealers making substantial money. This form of progressive pricing is used, I believe, in most commercial expo environments. Scott Madison, WN1B --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Paul Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I know this is off-topic but I don't know where to ask this question. I have sent a email to the Hamfest folks by the way, who knows if they will respond. Has anyone looked at the space price listed on their website? It is a graduated price scheme, the more spaces you buy the more it costs you! The price for 3 spaces is almost twice what 2 spaces costs! Why do they do that? They seem to me to be the highest priced Hamfest, anyway this price scheme is just strange! Who is getting rich there? Somebody must be! Paul Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Two-Way Radio Shop
What is your space number at Dayton? (if you know yet) Joe M. Paul Finch wrote: Skipp, This was a Motorola Service Shop in West Texas. They were trying to get into the wireless Internet business and went first class, new trucks and all. They only lasted about 6 months. The main thing I would be selling is the Motorola Service manuals, everything from Micors to Syntors and MSF 2000(?). I did not want to drool too much in front of the guy that's giving it to me lest he might charge me for the goods. Main thing he wants is to get it out of the building and he knows it's worth something, just not sure how much. The space in the building is worth more than the Motorola stuff. Paul Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Hamfests in general
Just a comment, the Weatherford Hamfest has been down in vendors for the last two years. This year I think there was at least 30% less than two years ago! Paul -Original Message-From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Adam Vazquez Kb2jpdSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 3:14 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Hamfests in generalHello all from Adam Kb2JpdJust returned from the Timonium Hamfest over at the Maryland Fairgrounds in Maryland. It was a decent size hamfest and there was plenty of stuff to buy, swap and take home.There was the eBay effect - I call it when a vendor is selling a item, and had priorly priced the item on eBay, as a reference. You then see the vendor reluntant to move from his preconceived value of the item is. If I was him, I would have post it on eBay so he can see what he would really get for it. The eBay effect stung and struck a few times but overall it was a pretty decent hamfest and it was not more of a computerfest as those in the past.Yes, there were those getting rid of the boat anchors and those making space for this years junk. Some of the guys there thought the turnout was less. Yes, the weather forcast did jinx the opening of the fest. Just a few miles away in PA, they received two or so inches of wet snow. Timonium, on the other hand, started with high overcast and then the sun beamed thru in the late morning.If you are looking for parts, they were there. However, the smaller hamfests are taking a big hit, thanks to the lower attendances, and due to the Internet auction effect. Lets see how pronounced it will be when Google decides to go into the eBay business.Anyway, had a fine time there and look forward for the rest this season before summer arrives.Adam Kb2Jpd YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Two-Way Radio Shop
Joe, I may not go, I still have the application on the computer but can't decide. I guess it's sort of my own little protest about the pricing, I also have a invitation to go to IWCE in Las Vegas during the same time frame. I may got to the Belton Hamfest that's coming up instead. If your interested in a specific manual let me know and lets make a deal, it's a real pain to put them on eBay. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mch Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:41 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Two-Way Radio Shop What is your space number at Dayton? (if you know yet) Joe M. Paul Finch wrote: Skipp, This was a Motorola Service Shop in West Texas. They were trying to get into the wireless Internet business and went first class, new trucks and all. They only lasted about 6 months. The main thing I would be selling is the Motorola Service manuals, everything from Micors to Syntors and MSF 2000(?). I did not want to drool too much in front of the guy that's giving it to me lest he might charge me for the goods. Main thing he wants is to get it out of the building and he knows it's worth something, just not sure how much. The space in the building is worth more than the Motorola stuff. Paul Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Weather station and repeater
Hi, I am the new repeater trustee for our club, the Connecticut Valley FM Association. I am investigating a project to replace our aging Spectrum repeater on top of Mt. Ascutney, here in Vermont. It's a very basic set-up, but is showing it's age. I would REALLY like to implement a weather reporting feature, but have been unable to find any information. Davis instruments and Peet have not been very helpful with the nuts and bolts of this proposal. They both say they have the equipment, but no real information. The site is not accessible from Nov. 1 to about April 1st. It is a commercial site so we are connected to their generator for emergency power. No telephone connection. ANY information, links, etc. would be greatly appreciated. I've only had my general ticket for a couple of years and all this is new to me. 73 and Thanks! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Mirage D1010 Repeater Amp
Hello Group, Anyone out there own or has worked on a Mirage D1010 repeater amp 70cm 10 watt in 100 watts out, can't get the one I have to work been sitting in my cellar for awhile, took 440 repeater down a few years ago now trying to get things to back up and running again, Thanks again for the help, Mike A N1KTD Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Black paint!
hi well it is a bit o-t. i want to paint my antenna black,it is a flat black. i know there is a advise too not buy paint with iron in it or something about it,,, because of the swr involve when you paint it, if i remember this is a bit special paint for antenna ,, anyone have the or one company i should contact to have a couple of spray can??? maybe home depot have it??? thanks for the help, gervais,ve2ckn Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Hamvention looking for channel elements
On the contrary - many of the repeater items I buy are at Dayton. Side topic: Does anyone have any ham band Motorola or GE channel elements for sale? (by ham band, I mean crystalled on ham freqs) Also, only Micor era or newer - no Motrac, Motran, or T-power. I'm also looking for ANY VHF GE PLL channel elements (ICOMS) below 150 MHz. (Part Numbers: 19A130605G8, G14, or G1 - prefer the 1s or 8s) Please email direct with prices. mch (at) nb net Joe M. Paul Finch wrote: Sorry about being the one that started this thread, it's not really the correct message board for it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: OT: Again RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton Hamvention and other Amateur Flea M
skipp025 wrote: Paul Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skipp, How would inflating the prices be a good thing? It's probably not a good thing. From what I understand it was done to discourage people from overkill hogging of space when the flea market was greatly impacted. Many of us know people who rent the extra spaces just to have the ticket to get in early and have a parking place for the extra cars/trucks. When you have empty spaces, how is that harming anything? It makes little difference to me if I'm walking by a car sitting there or a space with nothing on it. Let those people pay 15 times the price for a parking space If it means the Hamvention will be around longer (make more money). Better yet: Make a premium parking space. Make the actual flea market space smaller if they can't fill the rest with parking. The closer people park they more they will be ABLE to buy. Small item hams were given a chance to sell at the single space price. If you needed more than one space, you are/were not considered a small item or one time item person... but a dealer as the majority are/were. It is nearly technically impossible to sell in one space according to their own rules. Your tables cannot exceed the 'parking space' into the isle. That means with one space you have to drive in, unload, then move your car, then reverse the process after the event OR sell out of your trunk (literally). Few cars are small enough to put a table behind and stay inside the lines. A few years ago, we were told about a table which was 2 INCHES into the isle (but, in all fairness that may be FD requirements.) Most people have more items to sell than that - especially if they expect to recoup their $70 back. Maybe that is why eBay has taken so many items from Dayton - their fees are less to sell - even if you pay the shipping yourself. Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Hamvention
Hey guys, Just my two cents worth. http://www.hamvention.org/ticket06.htm Scroll down about two or three page lengths. We will start to mail out tickets April 1, 2006. I am NOT affiliated with Dayton at all. I just thought that this might help answer some questions. Hope to see you there. james\\ James M. Nelson KE4GWW [EMAIL PROTECTED] President WARC -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Finch Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:17 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Hamvention Kevin, Sorry about being the one that started this thread, it's not really the correct message board for it. See below for a link to a Hamfest group. I understand last years Hamvention was the first in years that it did not rain, I was not there, I was the year before and I was not able to get the tarps off the tables all day Saturday. That is a act of God and can not be blamed on the folks running the event. Guess what I am asking is a round about way is why was it the best ever, I know the lack of rain helped but what are the other reasons it was a the best Hamfest ever? I just did a search on Yahoo groups and there is a Hamfest group, it says it's for announcing your Hamfests, I wonder if it would be OK to talk about the Dayton problems? Here is the link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hamfest/ . Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Custer Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:24 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Hamvention Read the rest of my previous post. In years past, confirmations of spaces was done the year before. This year, we can't even get a reply from them, and it's less than two months away. I've been attending Dayton since 1974. This year, I've had two folks contact me to see if I had gotten my tickets yet, as they have not received any word. They need to be more prompt about communications, or they are going to piss a bunch of folks off. Scotty, did we get our tickets/spaces yet? (we hadn't the last time we conversed about it) With that being said, Last year had shown some much needed change in the way the event was run. IMHO It was the best Dayton Hamvention in 15 years. Kevin Custer W3KKC Looking forward to year 32... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Two-Way Radio Shop
Reminds me of my garage ... Neil Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Two-Way Radio Shop Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:37:38 -0600 Skipp, This was a Motorola Service Shop in West Texas. They were trying to get into the wireless Internet business and went first class, new trucks and all. They only lasted about 6 months. The main thing I would be selling is the Motorola Service manuals, everything from Micors to Syntors and MSF 2000(?). I did not want to drool too much in front of the guy that's giving it to me lest he might charge me for the goods. Main thing he wants is to get it out of the building and he knows it's worth something, just not sure how much. The space in the building is worth more than the Motorola stuff. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of skipp025 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:57 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Two-Way Radio Shop Paul Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to make the trip this year since I have inherited a now bankrupt two way shop, don't know now. I guess I will but I really don't like it! Paul What caused the shop to go bankrupt..? Someone once told me not to try and make serious money in Ham Radio (for a number of now obvious reasons). A number of the flea market spaces are held by people trying to make a living fliping radios, used computers and surplus electronics. Don't forget the bootleg computer programs... In case anyone hasn't noticed there's a serious glut of used electronics and dead cars in the US. The people now going to Dayton... are there for some of the better reasons renewed. To have fun, meet people, see new products, meet up with friends, sell a few used things in the parking lot, selling some new products in the parking lot as well as getting the word out about new products. F Not to mention the brauts and fine seating in the ice rink... cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Hamvention
I like discussing it here !!! and am not about to subscribe to yet another remailer. Neil - WA6KLA Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Hamvention Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:17:22 -0600 Kevin, Sorry about being the one that started this thread, it's not really the correct message board for it. See below for a link to a Hamfest group. I understand last years Hamvention was the first in years that it did not rain, I was not there, I was the year before and I was not able to get the tarps off the tables all day Saturday. That is a act of God and can not be blamed on the folks running the event. Guess what I am asking is a round about way is why was it the best ever, I know the lack of rain helped but what are the other reasons it was a the best Hamfest ever? I just did a search on Yahoo groups and there is a Hamfest group, it says it's for announcing your Hamfests, I wonder if it would be OK to talk about the Dayton problems? Here is the link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hamfest/ . Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Custer Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:24 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Hamvention Read the rest of my previous post. In years past, confirmations of spaces was done the year before. This year, we can't even get a reply from them, and it's less than two months away. I've been attending Dayton since 1974. This year, I've had two folks contact me to see if I had gotten my tickets yet, as they have not received any word. They need to be more prompt about communications, or they are going to piss a bunch of folks off. Scotty, did we get our tickets/spaces yet? (we hadn't the last time we conversed about it) With that being said, Last year had shown some much needed change in the way the event was run. IMHO It was the best Dayton Hamvention in 15 years. Kevin Custer W3KKC Looking forward to year 32... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton Hamvention
Yea Kevin; Right on Paul !! Hey Boys, go and play your trumpet somewhere else, it's clogging up my bandwidth. CUL John On 27/03/2006 1:17:22 PM, repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com wrote: Kevin, Sorry about being the one that started this thread, it's not really the correct message board for it. See below for a link to a Hamfest group. I understand last years Hamvention was the first in years that it did not rain, I was not there, I was the year before and I was not able to get the tarps off the tables all day Saturday. That is a act of God and can not be blamed on the folks running the event. Guess what I am asking is a round about way is why was it the best ever, I know the lack of rain helped but what are the other reasons it was a the best Hamfest ever? I just did a search on Yahoo groups and there is a Hamfest group, it says it's for announcing your Hamfests, I wonder if it would be OK to talk about the Dayton problems? Here is the link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hamfest/ . Paul Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
