Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: just thinking

[Nate Duehr]

On Jul 19, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Tom wrote:

> This is not to minimize Repeater-Builder and other good sites that are
> a tremendous resource of information that would be difficult, or
> impossible, to obtain in times past; however having the answer to most
> every obstacle takes some of the fun and challenge out of the process.
> It's almost become a "cookbook" experience.


Anything 30 years old had better be a "cookbook" experience.  Good  
lord.  Notice that it's pretty rare for someone to pop up here in 2008  
with a question that defies Mike sending a link straight to a well- 
written, peer-reviewed article on the topic?

(When we added mandatory CTCSS to our repeaters a few years back, one  
of the techs jokingly wanted to title the article for the e-mail  
newsletter "That 70's Repeater", since we were finally implementing  
1970's technology.)


> Having to scrounge all
> over He??'s half acre for answers to the obstacle at hand was part of
> the challenge and resulted in an enormous sense of accomplishment when
> the answer finally was found.  Yeah it's easy and more sure, but a lot
> of the "mystery" is gone.  Just my 2cents.


If you want that level of mystery, feel free to help document how to  
properly benchmark and bit-error-rate test a D-STAR repeater.

That's where modern technology is at, and still in the portion of the  
learning curve you long to return to!

Or figure out how to link multiple APCO-25 repeaters from various  
manufacturers with IP networking.

Lots of challenges out there for you... analog repeaters are NOT a  
challenge when properly done anymore.  (Yeah, there are things that  
make us scratch our heads and wonder what's causing them, but at least  
there's test tools and lots of talent out there to bounce ideas off of.)

Oh... and I'm sure Mike, Kevin and Scott would like some articles for  
RB, when you're done with those above items!  (GRIN!)

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers

[Nate Duehr]

On Jul 22, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Joe wrote:

> YupWas it my imagination or was there an excessive number of
> commercials?

Nahh... they played as many as they needed to to keep the show free to  
watch and broadcast.

Of course, I skipped all of the commercials with the DVR, but don't  
tell the advertisers so they'll keep paying our broadcasting friends  
here on the list, mmm-kay?

Saves a hell of a lot of time too... a 1 hour show took about 35-40  
minutes to watch.

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers

[MCH]

Which for the record is exactly typical for a 1-hour show. 40 minutes of 
content and 20 minutes of commercials. The same is true for 30 minute 
shows - 20 minutes of show plus 10 minutes of commercials.

Joe M.

Nate Duehr wrote:
> Saves a hell of a lot of time too... a 1 hour show took about 35-40  
> minutes to watch.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] How to remove Scotch Kote

[Bob M.]

It seems there are a lot of "orange" cleaning compounds. A couple of years ago 
I had my roof replaced. Even though they set up tarps to catch the old 
shingles, the siding still suffered a lot of scuff marks as stuff slid off the 
roof. When the job was done, the roofers went around the house spraying this 
citrus-smelling stuff on the vinyl siding, waited about 10 seconds, then wiped 
it and the tar streaks right off. If you leave it on too long, it'll take the 
paint right off aluminum siding and the stuff they use to wrap around exposed 
wood on houses.

Most of this stuff is only sold commercially, but if it looks orange in color 
and smells of citrus, chances are it'll do the job for tar, gum, most 
adhesives, and Scotch Kote.

Bob M.
==
--- On Tue, 7/22/08, Scott Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Scott Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] How to remove Scotch Kote
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 7:57 PM
> Awhile back, I had asked this list for ideas on how to
> remove Scotch Kote 
> weather proofing. I was at an auto detailing place today
> and just happened 
> to ask them their opinion on the matter. The woman pulled
> out a liquid in a 
> spray bottle and gave the dried puddle a few squirts. She
> waited a minute or 
> so, and sprayed the area again. After waiting a few more
> minutes, she gave 
> another spray and started to brush the area with a stiff
> bristle brush. Sure 
> enough the scotch cote started to come loose from the
> carpet.
> 
> I then asked her to try the spot on the seat. Sure enough,
> same results.
> 
> The spray was called 'California orange':
> http://www.prowax.com/1prod_bulls/C-66pb8_8_07.pdf
> At almost $80 per gallon, it's a bit pricey.
> 
> Here is a version in a spray can:
> http://www.prowax.com/1prod_bulls/ACO_660pb8_8_07.pdf
> It's a bit more reasonable at $15 per can, but it's
> not available in all 
> states due to environmental restrictions.
> 
> There you go. Of course, the best plan is not to spill the
> stuff. If you do 
> though, this stuff might help you out.
> 
> Good Luck,
> Scott
> 
> Scott Zimmerman
> Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
> 474 Barnett Rd
> Boswell, PA 15531


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers

[Bruce Bagwell]

I agree with most of the replies. Myself have never been up A tower. While I 
did not expect it to be a training video, the only real bit on safety was the 
"Inspection".  It showed a barrel full of "Junk" (Did NOT pass Inspection) 
safety gear but she passed with flying colors?

I think it was MUCH more "SHOW" than "Reality".  Just what is required for any 
TV show, A few colorful characters, A pretty girl or 2, A job of some kind to 
do and Human Interaction. Very little "Job".

Maybe Discovery will pick it up and run it more like "Ice Road Truckers" and 
the other "Dirty Jobs" type shows they do.  Still lots of on-the-job friction 
required for "good TV" but A lot less Fluff and Junk!

Bruce
KE5TPN


- Original Message - 
From: Paul Plack 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower 
Climbers



Don,

You always have to approach watching these things with the understanding that 
"done the industry a better service" is not among their goals. It's all about 
telling the viewer an interesting story.

Even "reality TV" shows have writers!

In this case, they seemed to be aiming more toward a plot that would make a 
good country song.

73,
Paul, AE4KR


  - Original Message - 
  From: de W5DK 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:47 AM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower 
Climbers



  Good help is hard to find in every trade nowadays. I could have done without 
the adult day care angle, we all see it every day with current work ethics and 
morals. They could have done the industry a better service with more facts and 
public service links to safety training.


  I think it highlights the industry problem with subcontractors and poor 
safety training along with energetic young personalities. Or the "I can drink 
till 10 o'clock" guy. Seems like a good deal for the carriers and a bad deal 
for the widows and family left behind. I'm not in the industry so that's just 
my opinion and I know training will only get you so far. Some people are 
un-trainable.


  Some of us hams have climbed allot compared to others, unfortunately most all 
of us with ZERO safety training.  Except for what I read in "Tune in the World" 
or ARRL antenna books, I have no training. I have climbed with others and 
watched and corrected unsafe moves. I get more nervous watching others than 
climbing myself. 


  The main things I took away from all this reading and discussion was that all 
the deaths were preventable and 100% tied off needs to be preached. I can't 
find the NATE training link I saw yesterday. It would be good for the amateur 
community to be exposed to better safety materials. Maybe I just haven't looked 
hard enough. I also need to upgrade to newer better safety gear.


  73

  Don Kirchner W5DK




 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: just thinking

[wd8chl]

Nate Duehr wrote:

> (When we added mandatory CTCSS to our repeaters a few years back, one  
> of the techs jokingly wanted to title the article for the e-mail  
> newsletter "That 70's Repeater", since we were finally implementing  
> 1970's technology.)

ROFLMAO!!!


> Or figure out how to link multiple APCO-25 repeaters from various  
> manufacturers with IP networking.

hmm...that's SUPPOSED to be part of the standard...someday...

[Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector

[Bob M.]

I've got an old piece of HP test equipment that has a very strange BNC 
connector on the back. Initially it looks just like an ordinary BNC female 
jack, and an ordinaryh BNC male connector will start to fit it, but...

It has THREE little nibs sticking out the sides at 120 degree offsets, instead 
of the usual two nibs 180 degrees apart.

I've not come upon any other connector like it. A regular BNC male will fit 
inside but the locking ring with two slots won't mate with the three nibs on 
the outside of the jack.

RF Connectors doesn't have anything like it, and I haven't seen one in the 
Mouser catalog. I could post a photo if it would be helpful.

Anyone have a clue?

Bob M.


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector

[Ted Bleiman K9MDM - MDM Radio]

try pasternak he may show this connector. sounds like an HV connector I 
encountered back years ago. its a fooler if you don't look carefully.
mdm

 









Ted Bleiman K9MDM
MDM  Radio    " If its in stock...we've got it!"
P O Box 31353
Chicago, IL 60631-0353 
773.631.5130  fax 773.775.8096  
 
web http://www.mdmradio.com - 
 email - [EMAIL PROTECTED]<<< DIRECT ALL EMAIL 


--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Bob M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Bob M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 9:14 AM






I've got an old piece of HP test equipment that has a very strange BNC 
connector on the back. Initially it looks just like an ordinary BNC female 
jack, and an ordinaryh BNC male connector will start to fit it, but...

It has THREE little nibs sticking out the sides at 120 degree offsets, instead 
of the usual two nibs 180 degrees apart.

I've not come upon any other connector like it. A regular BNC male will fit 
inside but the locking ring with two slots won't mate with the three nibs on 
the outside of the jack.

RF Connectors doesn't have anything like it, and I haven't seen one in the 
Mouser catalog. I could post a photo if it would be helpful.

Anyone have a clue?

Bob M.

 














  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers

[no6b]

At 7/23/2008 02:07, you wrote:

>Which for the record is exactly typical for a 1-hour show. 40 minutes of
>content and 20 minutes of commercials. The same is true for 30 minute
>shows - 20 minutes of show plus 10 minutes of commercials.
>
>Joe M.
>
>Nate Duehr wrote:
> > Saves a hell of a lot of time too... a 1 hour show took about 35-40
> > minutes to watch.

Didn't used to be that way.  I noticed that the original Star Trek series 
episodes on DVD are ~52 minutes long.  When watched on OTA TV now they're 
42 minutes.  I wonder when it was decided that more commercials per hour 
are acceptable?

Bob NO6B

[Repeater-Builder] Re: How to remove Scotch Kote

[skipp025]

I've tried a fair number of of orange citrus cleaning 
compounds.  Some of the industrial "versions" are highly 
concentrated and work very well. I would expect places 
like McMaster Carr, Grainger and similar Industrial Supply 
Sources to carry the "serious concentrated" versions. 

Home Depot carries Zep aka Zepp, which is just OK and not 
nearly as serious or concentrated as what I call the industrial 
stuff. Citrus Magic is another consumer cleaner... Compared 
to the serious business industrial versions Zepp is just OK. 

I've been on the prowl for the serious commercial stuff after 
trying some of the less impressive concentrates. I would again 
expect the industrial quality citrus orange cleaner to arrive 
in the 1 to 3 gallon concentrate size, thick white "jug" or 
bottle, and a MSDS paper included. I/we should have saved the 
bottle from the last good concentrate I purchased many years 
back... but a large bottle of "the good stuff" will last you 
years. 

cheers,
skipp

> "Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It seems there are a lot of "orange" cleaning compounds. A couple of
years ago I had my roof replaced. Even though they set up tarps to
catch the old shingles, the siding still suffered a lot of scuff marks
as stuff slid off the roof. When the job was done, the roofers went
around the house spraying this citrus-smelling stuff on the vinyl
siding, waited about 10 seconds, then wiped it and the tar streaks
right off. If you leave it on too long, it'll take the paint right off
aluminum siding and the stuff they use to wrap around exposed wood on
houses.
> 
> Most of this stuff is only sold commercially, but if it looks orange
in color and smells of citrus, chances are it'll do the job for tar,
gum, most adhesives, and Scotch Kote.
> 
> Bob M.
> ==
> --- On Tue, 7/22/08, Scott Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > From: Scott Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] How to remove Scotch Kote
> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 7:57 PM
> > Awhile back, I had asked this list for ideas on how to
> > remove Scotch Kote 
> > weather proofing. I was at an auto detailing place today
> > and just happened 
> > to ask them their opinion on the matter. The woman pulled
> > out a liquid in a 
> > spray bottle and gave the dried puddle a few squirts. She
> > waited a minute or 
> > so, and sprayed the area again. After waiting a few more
> > minutes, she gave 
> > another spray and started to brush the area with a stiff
> > bristle brush. Sure 
> > enough the scotch cote started to come loose from the
> > carpet.
> > 
> > I then asked her to try the spot on the seat. Sure enough,
> > same results.
> > 
> > The spray was called 'California orange':
> > http://www.prowax.com/1prod_bulls/C-66pb8_8_07.pdf
> > At almost $80 per gallon, it's a bit pricey.
> > 
> > Here is a version in a spray can:
> > http://www.prowax.com/1prod_bulls/ACO_660pb8_8_07.pdf
> > It's a bit more reasonable at $15 per can, but it's
> > not available in all 
> > states due to environmental restrictions.
> > 
> > There you go. Of course, the best plan is not to spill the
> > stuff. If you do 
> > though, this stuff might help you out.
> > 
> > Good Luck,
> > Scott
> > 
> > Scott Zimmerman
> > Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
> > 474 Barnett Rd
> > Boswell, PA 15531
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers

[Dave]

WHEN DID REPEATER BUILDER CHANGE TO TV CRITICS?   i THOUGHT THIS THREAD 
WAS ORDERED ENDED?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers

[Kris Kirby]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Dave wrote:
> WHEN DID REPEATER BUILDER CHANGE TO TV CRITICS?  i THOUGHT THIS THREAD 
> WAS ORDERED ENDED?

And yet you continued it. Interesting choice, that.

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. 
--rly

[Repeater-Builder] getting tkr-820 programed to run in the amateur radio band

[k6jxy]

Hello,
I'm in search of someone who can re-trune a tkr-820 repeater to the
440 ham band
i need the macine to tx on 443.550
rx on 448.550
Please E-mail back directly with any info.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Repeater-Builder] Re: In desperate need of CES 1000M manual

[kd6aaj]

I gace CES Wireless a call today, 1(800)327-9956, and asked about the 
1000M for you. The gentleman I spoke with (Troy) said it is about 30 
years old! He said he would try and find some info on it, he has to ask 
another person who has been there longer than him. He's been there 20 
yrs.

I gave him my email, my callsign at yahoo.com in case he finds anything.

73, KD6AAJ


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Good evening all, I just got my hands on a Aerotron repeater, with a 
> CES 1000M ANI Code reader, and a CES 520-D intelligent duplex 
> interconnect.  I cannot find a programming manual for the 1000M 
> anywhere.  I am pretty sure that this unit will support a simple 
> repeater controller, but I can't get into it!  It appears that this 
> repeater was set up soley for a phone patch, nothing else, so it is 
not 
> repeating any signals, except for when the interconnect is active.  
> Anyone out there know where I can find a copy of the 1000M manual?
> 
> Thanks and 73's 
> Steve, WD0EZS
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Info

[monteleoneb]

Thanks for that I will try it, you mentioned band radio I am in the 
400 - 420 range what do you suggest a good one is. 

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "lenaw12" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Welcome to the group...
> 
> You speak of a scanner...if you are interested in a particular range
> of frequencies, a beam antenna (typically in the form of a "yagi")
> along with a preamplifier will probably help "a lot."
> 
> A "scanner" usually has a pretty wide front end, so you may find the
> preamp will bring in more "garbage" than it is worth.
> 
> An individual band radio, programmable if you need access to 
multiple
> frequencies, should be your next goal.
> 
> Of course i would be lax in not mentioning more height for your
> antenna and decent coax between it and your radio and the proper
> fittings correctly attached.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> LW
> 
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "monteleoneb"  
wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone, just joined up and not sure if I am on the right 
track,
> > I live in an area that is not very good for receiving 
transmission. Is 
> > there a way that I can improve my reception by joining 2 type of 
aerials
> > together to increase the receive without actually connecting it 
to my 
> > scanner.
> >
>

RE: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers

[J. Hunt]

I watched the documentary, which had a great beginning, but the content quality 
faded fast. The safety aspect was good, along with the aerial filming. 
The documentary should have shown some big commercial antenna installations, 
not just cell phone antennas. The drunken dude and crew boss were a negative 
aspect of the show.
The documentary was about 41 minuets long, which left about 19 minuets of 
commercials.
 
Safety is always #1 when I am on any tower. I'm always attached to the 
structure with OSHA approved gear and keep in contact with the ground crew with 
2-way radio.
 
de,
ki5dq


--- On Tue, 7/22/08, kf0m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: kf0m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower 
Climbers
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 5:36 PM






Fluff was my thought also. I keep wanting to say where's the beef.
Interesting look at some of the personality types in the industry but no
real hard information.

Looked like just an opportunity of showing some artistic camera angles
rather than trying to really tell a complete story.

I also wondered why they stuck with just cell phone towers and didn't really
touch on broadcast towers or the view from 1000+ feet.

John Lock
kf0m at arrl.net

>
> Chuck Kelsey wrote:
> > Very disappointing program. Mostly fluff.
> >
> > Chuck
> > WB2EDV
>
>
>  - - --
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

 














  

[Repeater-Builder] Re: So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers

[Doug Dickinson]

I too saw the show and a couple of comments:
 
1) Hard Hats are required by OSHA - no way around that.
2) $14/hr is common for non-union climbers. Double that for Union. Also, these 
small contractors (and most of them are ) do not provide health insurance and 
often they don't even keep up with the required workers comp payments. They are 
"fly-by-night" for the most part. Of course, there are many legitimate 
operators - one needs to find the right one!
3) Prevailing wage rates (government jobs) are the ones the big operators 
usually get beause they play by all the rules.
4) Many companies that act as prime contractors for these jobs don't have any 
crews at all - they sub all the work out to the little operators.
5) There are several thousand cell phone type towers for each broadcast type 
tower. Trying to find one that needds work would be a realistic impossibility.
6) 100% tie-off is the only way I allow tower workers to work on any tower I 
deal with. One infraction and the job is over.
7) In my 6 years of practicing as the Senior Safety Manager for a large 
cellular company, we experienced 3 deaths and 2 major injuries. This is 
considered a very low death and accident rate for tower work.  100% tie-off 
would have prevented the deaths and injuries. No question about that. 
Enforcement is nearly impossible though. I have not seen a death or injury that 
was not caused directly by the affected individual. (BTW - we had around 35,000 
cell sites).
8) NATE, as an organization (IMHO) is a joke. They charge for everything they 
provide, and the costs are very, very high. They seem more interested in acting 
like a private sector company that provides training rather than a place that 
promotes safety standards. We would not join due to the rediculous rates for 
membership. You have to be a member to get the materials. It is clearly aimed 
at the small operators - the ones that usually won't do the training anyway. 
That is why 100% tie-off isn't the rule of the land (OSHA).
9) As to fluff - what did you expect? it is a commercial TV show and if they 
really got into detail, most of the viewers would be lost.
10) The amount of drinking that goes on is unusually high for most folks, but 
normal among people that deal with these trades and live on the road all the 
time. personally, I feel this contributes to the fatilities! Sad byt very real.
 
Have a safe day
Doug
KC0SDQ
 
 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers

[Kris Kirby]

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, kf0m wrote:
> I also wondered why they stuck with just cell phone towers and didn't 
> really touch on broadcast towers or the view from 1000+ feet.

For the same reason why we don't tell everyone exactly where our ham 
repeaters are: there is a segment of the populous that will show up and 
check out the site, wondering what it looks like. In the broadcast 
world, this ranges from looky-loos to drunken would-be towerclimbers and 
army rangers. Some just want to climb big steel for the sheer joy of it, 
the other seeks to ride down the guy wire as if it were a zipline.

If you're lucky, the latter brought the right equipment and the birds 
don't pick pieces of him out of the ice bridge for the next few months.

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. 
--rly

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector

[Ed Yoho]

Bob M. wrote:
> I've got an old piece of HP test equipment that has a very strange BNC 
> connector on the back. Initially it looks just like an ordinary BNC female 
> jack, and an ordinaryh BNC male connector will start to fit it, but...
> 
> It has THREE little nibs sticking out the sides at 120 degree offsets, 
> instead of the usual two nibs 180 degrees apart.
> 
> I've not come upon any other connector like it. A regular BNC male will fit 
> inside but the locking ring with two slots won't mate with the three nibs on 
> the outside of the jack.
> 
> RF Connectors doesn't have anything like it, and I haven't seen one in the 
> Mouser catalog. I could post a photo if it would be helpful.
> 
> Anyone have a clue?
> 
> Bob M.

Bob,

It sounds like a triax connector. The have an additional isolated shield 
between the center and outer conductors.

Take a look here:


Ed Yoho
W6YJ

[Repeater-Builder] looking for anyone who carries Arnewsline and ARRL on their repeater

[Scott Berry N7ZIB]

Hi there everyone,

 

Is there anyone who carries Arnewsline and Arrl Audio news Letter on their
repeater.  Also while I am thinking of it do  any of you guys that have
Echolink nodes have any nets?  I have a buddy who has a page of Echolink
nets and I am trying to find more nets for him to share with the ham radio
community.  Please give times in Eastern Time or UTC time.  Please use one
or the other.

 

 

Thanks for your help.

 

 

Scott Berry

Email:  sberry at northlc.com

Ham Call sign:  N7ZIB

 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: So I watched it NBC story on Tower Climbers

[Al Wolfe]

I attempted to watch this show but since there were some thunderstorms 
in the area the local NBC station cut out about fifteen minutes to play 
alarmist weatherman and show off their newest radar and computer toys.

Since I have been involved with broadcast engineering for over forty 
years and worked on and with many tower crews I was especially interested in 
this program.

What a piece of PC crap! I would not have allowed any of the people 
shown on any of our properties, let alone the towers.

Of course this was slanted towards cell sites which is very competitive 
and considered the bottom of the barrel as far as tower work is concerned.

I have never met a female crew chief and only one female climber.

I have never heard climbers referred to as "Tower Dogs". I don't know 
any making $14 an hour. (Well maybe in 1968.) In the 1970's I got $1.00 a 
foot to change light bulbs. A 400 foot stick meant $400 regardless of the 
time spent on the tower.

Most climbers are great, conscience guys who I might even let date my 
daughter. (Well, not really.)

It would have been more interesting to me if it had shown what these 
guys were actually doing on the towers.

Yes, this was a fluff piece bu maybe it will make some appreciate their 
cell phone a little more.

Cheers,
Al, K9SI




 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector

[Bob M.]

Yup, that sure looks like it. BNC, single-hole mount, with three bayonet pins 
instead of the usual two. The rest of it sure resembles an ordinary BNC 
connector.

Thanks. This connector has been bothering me for years.

Bob M.
==
--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Ed Yoho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Ed Yoho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 1:37 PM
> Bob M. wrote:
> > I've got an old piece of HP test equipment that
> has a very strange BNC connector on the back. Initially it
> looks just like an ordinary BNC female jack, and an
> ordinaryh BNC male connector will start to fit it, but...
> > 
> > It has THREE little nibs sticking out the sides at 120
> degree offsets, instead of the usual two nibs 180 degrees
> apart.
> > 
> > I've not come upon any other connector like it. A
> regular BNC male will fit inside but the locking ring with
> two slots won't mate with the three nibs on the outside
> of the jack.
> > 
> > RF Connectors doesn't have anything like it, and I
> haven't seen one in the Mouser catalog. I could post a
> photo if it would be helpful.
> > 
> > Anyone have a clue?
> > 
> > Bob M.
> 
> Bob,
> 
> It sounds like a triax connector. The have an additional
> isolated shield 
> between the center and outer conductors.
> 
> Take a look here:
> 
> 
> Ed Yoho
> W6YJ


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector

[DCFluX]

It is not Triax, I generally refer to this connector as 'Security
BNC'. Had one in the junk box and put it on a cable and it then I
discovered they were incompatible when I went to put it on the radio.



On 7/23/08, Ed Yoho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob M. wrote:
>  > I've got an old piece of HP test equipment that has a very strange BNC 
> connector on the back. Initially it looks just like an ordinary BNC female 
> jack, and an ordinaryh BNC male connector will start to fit it, but...
>  >
>  > It has THREE little nibs sticking out the sides at 120 degree offsets, 
> instead of the usual two nibs 180 degrees apart.
>  >
>  > I've not come upon any other connector like it. A regular BNC male will 
> fit inside but the locking ring with two slots won't mate with the three nibs 
> on the outside of the jack.
>  >
>  > RF Connectors doesn't have anything like it, and I haven't seen one in the 
> Mouser catalog. I could post a photo if it would be helpful.
>  >
>  > Anyone have a clue?
>  >
>  > Bob M.
>
>  Bob,
>
>  It sounds like a triax connector. The have an additional isolated shield
>  between the center and outer conductors.
>
>  Take a look here:
>  
>
>  Ed Yoho
>  W6YJ
>
>  
>
>
>
>  Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector

[Ed Yoho]

DCFluX wrote:
> It is not Triax, I generally refer to this connector as 'Security
> BNC'. Had one in the junk box and put it on a cable and it then I
> discovered they were incompatible when I went to put it on the radio.

There are quite a few Agilent / HP (and other mfgs) instruments that use 
a triax BNC as shown in the referenced Amphenol link. A couple examples are:
HP-4140B Picoammeter / Source.
HP 4155C Semiconductor Parameter Analyzer



The triax connectors and cables are used to allow an inner conductor, a 
guard shield (or floating return), and an outer shield. This is about 
the only effective way of making accurate fA measurements (especially in 
a semi noisy lab environment).

If you have an instrument with a triax BNC connector on it, and you 
measure from the outer metal to the inner gold shield, they are not 
connected as in a 'normal' BNC.

Ed Yoho
W6YJ
(coming up on 40 years in the semiconductor test field - sigh, must be 
getting old)

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: How to remove Scotch Kote

[kd6aaj]

I use Lysol® Brand Bathroom Cleaner with Citric Acid as the active ingrediant. 
It is pretty caustic. I switched to that when my wife was pregnant, not as 
nasty as chlorine bleach (or the gallon of murriatic acid I have) but 
ventilation is a must.

Or, go to the pharmacy and get some powdered citric acid and mix with water 
(wear personal protective equipment: goggles, gloves, etc). Citric Acicd is 
supposedly pretty good for PC-Board etching...have to try it some time.


--- On Wed, 7/23/08, skipp025 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: skipp025 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: How to remove Scotch Kote
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 8:50 AM
> I've tried a fair number of of orange citrus cleaning 
> compounds.  Some of the industrial "versions" are
> highly 
> concentrated and work very well. I would expect places 
> like McMaster Carr, Grainger and similar Industrial Supply 
> Sources to carry the "serious concentrated"
> versions. 
> 
> Home Depot carries Zep aka Zepp, which is just OK and not 
> nearly as serious or concentrated as what I call the
> industrial 
> stuff. Citrus Magic is another consumer cleaner... Compared
> 
> to the serious business industrial versions Zepp is just
> OK. 
> 
> I've been on the prowl for the serious commercial stuff
> after 
> trying some of the less impressive concentrates. I would
> again 
> expect the industrial quality citrus orange cleaner to
> arrive 
> in the 1 to 3 gallon concentrate size, thick white
> "jug" or 
> bottle, and a MSDS paper included. I/we should have saved
> the 
> bottle from the last good concentrate I purchased many
> years 
> back... but a large bottle of "the good stuff"
> will last you 
> years. 
> 
> cheers,
> skipp
> 
> > "Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It seems there are a lot of "orange"
> cleaning compounds. A couple of
> years ago I had my roof replaced. Even though they set up
> tarps to
> catch the old shingles, the siding still suffered a lot of
> scuff marks
> as stuff slid off the roof. When the job was done, the
> roofers went
> around the house spraying this citrus-smelling stuff on the
> vinyl
> siding, waited about 10 seconds, then wiped it and the tar
> streaks
> right off. If you leave it on too long, it'll take the
> paint right off
> aluminum siding and the stuff they use to wrap around
> exposed wood on
> houses.
> > 
> > Most of this stuff is only sold commercially, but if
> it looks orange
> in color and smells of citrus, chances are it'll do the
> job for tar,
> gum, most adhesives, and Scotch Kote.
> > 
> > Bob M.
> > ==
> > --- On Tue, 7/22/08, Scott Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Scott Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] How to remove Scotch
> Kote
> > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 7:57 PM
> > > Awhile back, I had asked this list for ideas on
> how to
> > > remove Scotch Kote 
> > > weather proofing. I was at an auto detailing
> place today
> > > and just happened 
> > > to ask them their opinion on the matter. The
> woman pulled
> > > out a liquid in a 
> > > spray bottle and gave the dried puddle a few
> squirts. She
> > > waited a minute or 
> > > so, and sprayed the area again. After waiting a
> few more
> > > minutes, she gave 
> > > another spray and started to brush the area with
> a stiff
> > > bristle brush. Sure 
> > > enough the scotch cote started to come loose from
> the
> > > carpet.
> > > 
> > > I then asked her to try the spot on the seat.
> Sure enough,
> > > same results.
> > > 
> > > The spray was called 'California orange':
> > >
> http://www.prowax.com/1prod_bulls/C-66pb8_8_07.pdf
> > > At almost $80 per gallon, it's a bit pricey.
> > > 
> > > Here is a version in a spray can:
> > >
> http://www.prowax.com/1prod_bulls/ACO_660pb8_8_07.pdf
> > > It's a bit more reasonable at $15 per can,
> but it's
> > > not available in all 
> > > states due to environmental restrictions.
> > > 
> > > There you go. Of course, the best plan is not to
> spill the
> > > stuff. If you do 
> > > though, this stuff might help you out.
> > > 
> > > Good Luck,
> > > Scott
> > > 
> > > Scott Zimmerman
> > > Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
> > > 474 Barnett Rd
> > > Boswell, PA 15531
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector

[kd6aaj]

I remember those in electronics class at the community college. I think they 
are a propriatary connector HP used on their equipment.

--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Ted Bleiman K9MDM - MDM Radio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Ted Bleiman K9MDM - MDM Radio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 7:21 AM











try pasternak he may show this connector. sounds like an HV connector I 
encountered back years ago. its a fooler if you don't look carefully.
mdm

 









Ted Bleiman K9MDM
MDM  Radio    " If its in stock...we've got it!"
P O Box 31353
Chicago, IL 60631-0353 
773.631.5130  fax 773.775.8096  
 
web http://www.mdmradio.com - 
 email - [EMAIL PROTECTED]<<< DIRECT ALL EMAIL 


--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Bob M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Bob M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 9:14 AM




I've got an old piece of HP test equipment that has a very strange BNC 
connector on the back. Initially it looks just like an ordinary BNC female 
jack, and an ordinaryh BNC male connector will start to fit it, but...

It has THREE little nibs sticking out the sides at 120 degree offsets, instead 
of the usual two nibs 180 degrees apart.

I've not come upon any other connector like it. A regular BNC male will fit 
inside but the locking ring with two slots won't mate with the three nibs on 
the outside of the jack.

RF Connectors doesn't have anything like it, and I haven't seen one in the 
Mouser catalog. I could post a photo if it would be helpful.

Anyone have a clue?

Bob M.


 


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] How to remove Scotch Kote

[kd6aaj]

I also like the "Orange Goop®" hand cleaner (the kind with no pumice or 
abrasives of any kind), http://www.goophandcleaner.com

I have used it to get Black-Jack tar off my hands when running conduit on a 
roof. Also removeing tar off the family car. Made in USA! I find it at the 
local dollar store sometimes, and buy several at a time.


--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Bob M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Bob M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] How to remove Scotch Kote
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 2:55 AM
> It seems there are a lot of "orange" cleaning
> compounds. A couple of years ago I had my roof replaced.
> Even though they set up tarps to catch the old shingles,
> the siding still suffered a lot of scuff marks as stuff
> slid off the roof. When the job was done, the roofers went
> around the house spraying this citrus-smelling stuff on the
> vinyl siding, waited about 10 seconds, then wiped it and the
> tar streaks right off. If you leave it on too long,
> it'll take the paint right off aluminum siding and the
> stuff they use to wrap around exposed wood on houses.
> 
> Most of this stuff is only sold commercially, but if it
> looks orange in color and smells of citrus, chances are
> it'll do the job for tar, gum, most adhesives, and
> Scotch Kote.
> 
> Bob M.
> ==
> --- On Tue, 7/22/08, Scott Zimmerman
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > From: Scott Zimmerman
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] How to remove Scotch Kote
> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 7:57 PM
> > Awhile back, I had asked this list for ideas on how to
> > remove Scotch Kote 
> > weather proofing. I was at an auto detailing place
> today
> > and just happened 
> > to ask them their opinion on the matter. The woman
> pulled
> > out a liquid in a 
> > spray bottle and gave the dried puddle a few squirts.
> She
> > waited a minute or 
> > so, and sprayed the area again. After waiting a few
> more
> > minutes, she gave 
> > another spray and started to brush the area with a
> stiff
> > bristle brush. Sure 
> > enough the scotch cote started to come loose from the
> > carpet.
> > 
> > I then asked her to try the spot on the seat. Sure
> enough,
> > same results.
> > 
> > The spray was called 'California orange':
> > http://www.prowax.com/1prod_bulls/C-66pb8_8_07.pdf
> > At almost $80 per gallon, it's a bit pricey.
> > 
> > Here is a version in a spray can:
> > http://www.prowax.com/1prod_bulls/ACO_660pb8_8_07.pdf
> > It's a bit more reasonable at $15 per can, but
> it's
> > not available in all 
> > states due to environmental restrictions.
> > 
> > There you go. Of course, the best plan is not to spill
> the
> > stuff. If you do 
> > though, this stuff might help you out.
> > 
> > Good Luck,
> > Scott
> > 
> > Scott Zimmerman
> > Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
> > 474 Barnett Rd
> > Boswell, PA 15531
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector

[DCFluX]

When I think triax I think about the big connectors used on TV cameras, that
actually use cable with 3 conductors. Basicly a center and 2 shields.  I am
not sure that these connectors actually accept 3 conductor cable (Triax).

On 7/23/08, kd6aaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> 
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector

[Bob M.]

It does seem that the real triax connector actually has a center pin and two 
shields, hence "tri". Twinax used two center pins.

This connector has one center receptacle and one shield connection, just like 
an ordinary BNC. The only difference I can tell is that there are three pins on 
the outside bayonet, equally spaced.

I replaced it with an ordinary BNC jack, but the mounting hole was smaller, so 
I had to use some fender washers to install it. Functionally it's fine, but it 
would have been easier for HP to use an ordinary BNC jack.

Bob M.
==
--- On Wed, 7/23/08, DCFluX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: DCFluX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strange BNC-like connector
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 4:21 PM

When I think triax I think about the big connectors used on TV cameras, that 
actually use cable with 3 conductors. Basicly a center and 2 shields.  I am not 
sure that these connectors actually accept 3 conductor cable (Triax).


  

[Repeater-Builder] Re: How to remove Scotch Kote

[Jason Greene]

I have had good luck using Pledge furniture polish for removing glue
from price tags, etc, but I don't know how well it will work on
something as heavy Duty as that.

[Repeater-Builder] New 6M Repeater in Central NH

[Jason Greene]

This repeater is on Gunstock mountain, and it is a large area machine
covering from northern N.H. to Rhode Island, Vermont to well into Maine.
It is on 53.77 71.9 in, 100 out and uses the call K1RJZ.

More information can be found at
http://www.gemoto.com/cnharc/gunstock.htm, and if you think you might
be able to hit it, please give it a squeeze.


Jason

[Repeater-Builder] Who is Scotch Kote?

[bbedoe]

Hi All!
 
I'm sorry to say this but after all "the stuff" of the past few days that  
when I saw the post on:
 
"How to remove Scotch Kote" ...
 
I thought he was a member that someone we wanted off the list!!
 
 
My mind is going . I can feel it!
 
73, Brian WD9HSY



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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Who is Scotch Kote?

[Richard]

I once knew a Scotch, but his last name wasn't Kote.
 
Richard
  www.n7tgb.net
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:24 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Who is Scotch Kote?




 
Hi All!
 
I'm sorry to say this but after all "the stuff" of the past few days
that when I saw the post on:
 
"How to remove Scotch Kote" ...
 
I thought he was a member that someone we wanted off the list!!
 
 
My mind is going . I can feel it!
 
73, Brian WD9HSY



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[Repeater-Builder] Re: R1 Audio Squelch CArd

[Grant]

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a spare (to sell) audio squelch card for a MSR2000
> If so please let me know on or off group.
> Thanks
>
Found one thanks to Butch, KE7FEL/r

[Repeater-Builder] Re: R1 Audio Squelch CArd

[Grant]

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a spare (to sell) audio squelch card for a MSR2000
> If so please let me know on or off group.
> Thanks
>
Found one thanks to Butch, KE7FEL/r