[Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
Whenever I install a repeater antenna or station antenna, I strive to use good hardware. Preferably stainless steel or hot-dip galvanized. Every time I try to purchase locally, I can never find the same size I used previously. Does anyone have a GOOD source for stainless and hot-dipped U-Bolts and other hardware? I've looked at Grainger and McMaster-Carr, but they seem to be lacking. Last night I spent over an hour on Google without finding what I wanted. Chuck WB2EDV
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
Tessco, Talley Hutton. My preference would be Talley since there prices seem to a bit less than Tessco, however Tessco will most likely have what you need in stock. There is a reason they are a bit more than the others. When you carry that many lines it costs a bit to keep that inventory in stock. Colorado Telecom, L.L.C Mike Mullarkey 6886 Sage Ave Firestone, Co 80504 303-954-9695 Home 303-954-9693 Home Office Fax 303-718-8052 Cellular _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:51 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Whenever I install a repeater antenna or station antenna, I strive to use good hardware. Preferably stainless steel or hot-dip galvanized. Every time I try to purchase locally, I can never find the same size I used previously. Does anyone have a GOOD source for stainless and hot-dipped U-Bolts and other hardware? I've looked at Grainger and McMaster-Carr, but they seem to be lacking. Last night I spent over an hour on Google without finding what I wanted. Chuck WB2EDV
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
Chuck, I buy all of my antenna-mounting hardware from either Tessco or McMaster-Carr, and I'm seldom disappointed. What, exactly, do you want? 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:51 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Whenever I install a repeater antenna or station antenna, I strive to use good hardware. Preferably stainless steel or hot-dip galvanized. Every time I try to purchase locally, I can never find the same size I used previously. Does anyone have a GOOD source for stainless and hot-dipped U-Bolts and other hardware? I've looked at Grainger and McMaster-Carr, but they seem to be lacking. Last night I spent over an hour on Google without finding what I wanted. Chuck WB2EDV
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
For this particular application I was looking for: Stainless u-bolt Pipe size 1.25 (1.75 OD) 5/16 thread size Minimum 3.25 length I just looked at Tessco and didn't find any stainless. There were some hot-dipped, but haven't checked sizes yet. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Chuck, I buy all of my antenna-mounting hardware from either Tessco or McMaster-Carr, and I'm seldom disappointed. What, exactly, do you want? 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:51 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Whenever I install a repeater antenna or station antenna, I strive to use good hardware. Preferably stainless steel or hot-dip galvanized. Every time I try to purchase locally, I can never find the same size I used previously. Does anyone have a GOOD source for stainless and hot-dipped U-Bolts and other hardware? I've looked at Grainger and McMaster-Carr, but they seem to be lacking. Last night I spent over an hour on Google without finding what I wanted. Chuck WB2EDV Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] HTX-202 RUBBER DUCK WANTED.
I am guessing he is probably trying to restore one to OEM condition Great gift idea for the elmer that got you started in amateur radio!! Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Rd Boswell, PA 15531 - Original Message - From: Adam Vazquez Kb2Jpd To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HTX-202 RUBBER DUCK WANTED. There are plenty of other antennae that would fit the bill. Just look for a quarterwave antenna. Adam Kb2jpd On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 2:27 PM, n8rtn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,iam looking for a Original htx-202 rubber duck ant any one have one? thanksN8RTN..Mike -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 9:36 AM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
Looks like they all have varying degrees of galvanized u-bolts, but didn't see any stainless. I'll keep them in mind for galvanized, but would really like to find a hardware supplier that has a broad range of these items. Maybe I'm dreaming. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Mike Mullarkey To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Tessco, Talley Hutton. My preference would be Talley since there prices seem to a bit less than Tessco, however Tessco will most likely have what you need in stock. There is a reason they are a bit more than the others. When you carry that many lines it costs a bit to keep that inventory in stock. Colorado Telecom, L.L.C Mike Mullarkey
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
Chuck, The McMaster-Carr item 29605T4 is pretty close to what you want, and is 316 stainless. If you need something with a deeper throat, consider making your own U-bolt with stainless steel rod bent to shape, with the ends threaded. I do not recommend using threaded rod, also known as all thread, since it is much weaker in the throat area than a U-bolt. Rather than looking for a U-bolt by itself, is it possible that Tessco or the other suppliers have an adapter, mounting plate, or fixture that will serve your purpose? It will help to describe what you are trying to do. I once needed an oddball mount for a side brace on a tower, and I spent a lot of time trying to design it myself. I later found that Tessco already offered a fixture that was perfect for the job. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:55 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware For this particular application I was looking for: Stainless u-bolt Pipe size 1.25 (1.75 OD) 5/16 thread size Minimum 3.25 length I just looked at Tessco and didn't find any stainless. There were some hot-dipped, but haven't checked sizes yet. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:wb6fly%40verizon.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Chuck, I buy all of my antenna-mounting hardware from either Tessco or McMaster-Carr, and I'm seldom disappointed. What, exactly, do you want? 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:51 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Whenever I install a repeater antenna or station antenna, I strive to use good hardware. Preferably stainless steel or hot-dip galvanized. Every time I try to purchase locally, I can never find the same size I used previously. Does anyone have a GOOD source for stainless and hot-dipped U-Bolts and other hardware? I've looked at Grainger and McMaster-Carr, but they seem to be lacking. Last night I spent over an hour on Google without finding what I wanted. Chuck WB2EDV Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
The application is a small side-arm bracket. I made it from aluminum square tubing. It got removed from the tower and I needed U-bolts for different project so I borrowed them. Now I can't find that size again. It's pretty obvious that I'll have to settle for a different u-bolt size and re-drill the bracket. But that seems just wrong. Obviously someone made the original ones, but they certainly seem to have disappeared. Am I to assume that companies that fabricate items utilizing u-bolts must special order their needs? And finding this stuff locally is a joke. Home Depot (18 miles away) carries two stainless u-bolts sizes. There used to be a small mom pop hardware (20-miles the other way) that had a few more, but I haven't tried wasting the gasoline to go there and come back empty-handed. My local hardware can order a few sizes, but you've got to get a box of ten. Hence my question of a decent supplier... if one really exists. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Chuck, The McMaster-Carr item 29605T4 is pretty close to what you want, and is 316 stainless. If you need something with a deeper throat, consider making your own U-bolt with stainless steel rod bent to shape, with the ends threaded. I do not recommend using threaded rod, also known as all thread, since it is much weaker in the throat area than a U-bolt. Rather than looking for a U-bolt by itself, is it possible that Tessco or the other suppliers have an adapter, mounting plate, or fixture that will serve your purpose? It will help to describe what you are trying to do. I once needed an oddball mount for a side brace on a tower, and I spent a lot of time trying to design it myself. I later found that Tessco already offered a fixture that was perfect for the job. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
Dunno about stainless steel U-Bolts, but our local Ace Hardware carries a large variety of 'strange' stuff. And, picking up the phone will save you time and money. 73, WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:42 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware The application is a small side-arm bracket. I made it from aluminum square tubing. It got removed from the tower and I needed U-bolts for different project so I borrowed them. Now I can't find that size again. It's pretty obvious that I'll have to settle for a different u-bolt size and re-drill the bracket. But that seems just wrong. Obviously someone made the original ones, but they certainly seem to have disappeared. Am I to assume that companies that fabricate items utilizing u-bolts must special order their needs? And finding this stuff locally is a joke. Home Depot (18 miles away) carries two stainless u-bolts sizes. There used to be a small mom pop hardware (20-miles the other way) that had a few more, but I haven't tried wasting the gasoline to go there and come back empty-handed. My local hardware can order a few sizes, but you've got to get a box of ten. Hence my question of a decent supplier... if one really exists. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:wb6fly%40verizon.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Chuck, The McMaster-Carr item 29605T4 is pretty close to what you want, and is 316 stainless. If you need something with a deeper throat, consider making your own U-bolt with stainless steel rod bent to shape, with the ends threaded. I do not recommend using threaded rod, also known as all thread, since it is much weaker in the throat area than a U-bolt. Rather than looking for a U-bolt by itself, is it possible that Tessco or the other suppliers have an adapter, mounting plate, or fixture that will serve your purpose? It will help to describe what you are trying to do. I once needed an oddball mount for a side brace on a tower, and I spent a lot of time trying to design it myself. I later found that Tessco already offered a fixture that was perfect for the job. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY image001.jpgimage002.jpg
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
Just for grins, I checked the Ace website. They had one u-bolt listed, and it just happened to be stainless. They call it U-Bolt Wire Rope Clip which is a u-bolt guy wire clamp. Price - $80.91 ea. What can I say Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Dunno about stainless steel U-Bolts, but our local Ace Hardware carries a large variety of 'strange' stuff. And, picking up the phone will save you time and money. 73, WM4B
[Repeater-Builder] Modifications for An Micor Repeater VHf/Uhf
Hi all i just pick up an big cabinet Micor repeater used on the Pager network. it was functionning well,it is receiveing in UHF and her tx is in the 141 mhz so applicable for ham use. i have here an TLD8272B which is suppose to be an Receiver unit for it ??? what other parts i would need to convert it for ham use??? oh yes it is an Heavy Duty 100 + watts output. thanks all for your guidance as always appreciated. gervais ve2ckn _
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Modifications for An Micor Repeater VHf/Uhf
Gervais, The TLD8272B receiver board is perfect for Amateur use, since it is designed to operate in the 142-150.8 MHz band. However, before the Micor specialists on this list can offer suggestions, we need to know the part numbers stamped on the modules in the station, as well as the model number of the entire station- which may be on a tag riveted to the cabinet. Please advise what numbers are stamped on the exciter, harmonic filter, power amplifier, and unified chassis backplane. Also, what modules are plugged into the chassis? What are the existing transmit and receive frequencies? Most pager stations are designed as base stations, and may need some additional filtering and shielding to function well as repeaters. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gervais fillion Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:00 AM To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Modifications for An Micor Repeater VHf/Uhf Hi all i just pick up an big cabinet Micor repeater used on the Pager network. it was functionning well,it is receiving in UHF and her tx is in the 141 MHz so applicable for ham use. i have here an TLD8272B which is suppose to be an Receiver unit for it ??? what other parts i would need to convert it for ham use??? oh yes it is an Heavy Duty 100 + watts output. thanks all for your guidance as always appreciated. gervais ve2ckn Utilisez Windows Live Messenger pour envoyer des messages sur les cellulaires de vos amis Plus de détails sur notre site [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pc2mobile.ca/fr
[Repeater-Builder] GE MLS ham conversion?
I have a UHF GE MLS1 (eeprom one) that I would like to convert to the ham frequencies. Has anyone tried this? Electrically, it looks fairly straightforward. Has anyone tried out of band hacks for the programmer or is that necessary? Any information would be appreciated. Tom WB6DGN
[Repeater-Builder] Tower Frame antenna mounts
Please take a look at this page; http://www.tessco.com/products/displayHierarchySkus.do?groupId=341subgroupId=53showFilterItems=trueeventGroup=4eventPage=1 Has anyone used this type of mount with 2 db antennas on either end? (one db224 and db420) . The tower would be one of the large free standing Rohn SSV type of towers. This would be somewhere around the 250' mark. Thanks, Robert KD4YDC
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
Did you check on-line or call the store? Our store carries a lot more stuff than is available on-line. WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:54 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Just for grins, I checked the Ace website. They had one u-bolt listed, and it just happened to be stainless. They call it U-Bolt Wire Rope Clip which is a u-bolt guy wire clamp. Price - $80.91 ea. What can I say Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Dunno about stainless steel U-Bolts, but our local Ace Hardware carries a large variety of 'strange' stuff. And, picking up the phone will save you time and money. 73, WM4B image001.jpgimage002.jpg
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Modifications for An Micor Repeater VHf/Uhf
Éric well you gave me some indications there,thanks. i will check my unit, i can see 6 or 8 cards on her too, let me check i will be back. thanks again. i may take some pictures too if needed 73/s gervais,Ve2ckn
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
I don't think you are, Chuck. Or else we're having the same dream weird. I've never been satisfied with any U-bolt selection I've ever seen either. And a lot of the time, they don't come with saddle clamps either; just a flat plate which is not usually any good for mast/tubing applications. 73 Paul - KC0HST - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey Maybe I'm dreaming. Chuck WB2EDV
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Modifications for An Micor Repeater VHf/Uhf
Well Éric,read this : Front Card:Simo Control TRN5379BGuard Tone Decoder TLN2376APRF1 Control Module TLN5293APRTSI MODULE TRN4853APRStation Control Module TRN4854BPRLine Driver TRN4859A her RX is 414.4265Her TX is 141.510###On the UPPER Back of the cabinet Model XC73JZB-1101BSerial 486CMJ0008P Power 120 vac# On the back of the transmetterthere is a little plate FM XMTR TYPE JZHB PO 100 Wattsserial 486CMJ0008###the big card retainer :TRN4860A### And at the bottom of this card retainer at the left side TCN1381A ,,,just at his right side TRN5436A so Éric, this is what i am seeing,i didnot yet unsreew the littlescreew on the front of the transmetter where is located the transmetter and the uhf receiver can you do something with what i am sending!!??? again merci a lot for your help.i need to install an heavy duty repeater over a mountain and i dont want to to there every week end,by what i can see #i shell be in business# Gervais ve2ckn
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
At 05:50 11/2/2008, Chuck Kelsey wrote: Does anyone have a GOOD source for stainless U-Bolts http://www.boltdepot.com/product.aspx?cc=46cs=191cm=6cd=48 Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 11/2/2008 9:51 AM -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE gomberg1 at wcf dot com All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html -
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
At 05:50 11/2/2008, Chuck Kelsey wrote: Does anyone have a GOOD source for stainless U-Bolts http://www.boltdepot.com/product.aspx?cc=46cs=191cm=6cd=48 Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 11/2/2008 9:51 AM -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE gomberg1 at wcf dot com All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html -
[Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it's quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it's possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don't mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn't have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it's not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo
[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: Repeater coordination
The company Line (Federal Candy Company) is that your coordinated repeater trumps his uncoordinated repeater in a claim of interference. The difficulty here seems that you didn't transmit on the input, you just listened on the output, when you were searching for frequencies. The repeater coordinators just went by their paperwork in making their assignment, with no field tests. While the need for frequency coordination is evident, the coordinating body needs to confirm that the expired repeater is indeed off the air through notifications to the previous operator and field testing. It would be interesting to hear the coordinators side of the story to figure this out. If you have tone squelch on your mobile receiver, is the other repeater interfering with your communications? If so, are there just 2 repeaters in the same area just for the sake of having repeaters? Who has the best site? Who has the best setup? Maybe you can get together and make one super repeater. LW --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Camilo So [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it's quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it's possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don't mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn't have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it's not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
Thank you. I remember running across this company quite some time back but couldn't remember the name. They've got u-bolts, but not a big selection. I'll bookmark it anyway. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Dave Gomberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware At 05:50 11/2/2008, Chuck Kelsey wrote: Does anyone have a GOOD source for stainless U-Bolts http://www.boltdepot.com/product.aspx?cc=46cs=191cm=6cd=48
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
Camilo, The other guy that let his coordination expire is out of luck and needs to vacate the channel. Being a past chairman of the ORRC Oregon Region Relay Council. If the guy that has had the channel and not followed the buy laws of the FRC and filed update paperwork. Try to work with the other repeater operator and if he is not receptive to change. Assuming you have official paperwork in hand and a signed coordination. You can contact the NFCC and let them mediate for you or file official paperwork with the FCC and they will shut him down since he is not coordinated. Good Luck. Mike K7PFJ _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Camilo So Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:49 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it's quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it's possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don't mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn't have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it's not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo
Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
If he is uncooperative, and uncoordinated, just call the FCC. That's about all you can do. You might mention this option to him and that may make him more receptive to acceptable solutions. Joe M. Camilo So wrote: Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it’s quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it’s possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don’t mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn’t have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it’s not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 9:36 AM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
Hi Mike, My problem is I can not use my repeater because I have PL , His don't have a PL every time I key up I am bringing up two repeater, its like I was being jams, He have the advantage, when he key up he only bring his up, because I have PL. and the worse problem is I am given two mouth to turn my repeater on or lost the frequency that is assigned to me. If I try to call him on his repeater there is no answer, Yes I have the official paperwork, and its easy if you go to http://florida-repeaters.org/ under repeater listing select 440 MHZ, then under DATABASE CHANGES look for 444.425 MHZ. The approved date is 10/05/08. Camilo W4CSO - Original Message - From: Mike Mullarkey To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Camilo, The other guy that let his coordination expire is out of luck and needs to vacate the channel. Being a past chairman of the ORRC Oregon Region Relay Council. If the guy that has had the channel and not followed the buy laws of the FRC and filed update paperwork. Try to work with the other repeater operator and if he is not receptive to change. Assuming you have official paperwork in hand and a signed coordination. You can contact the NFCC and let them mediate for you or file official paperwork with the FCC and they will shut him down since he is not coordinated. Good Luck. Mike K7PFJ -- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Camilo So Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:49 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it's quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it's possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don't mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn't have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it's not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
Camilo, I forgot to mention that the FRC is suppose to mediate these issues for you. It sounds like that they are running the good old boys network down there and in these days that doesn't always work. They have an interest to mediate this since they will be drug though the coals if you do in fact call the FCC. Give the other guy one chance to turn his equipment off and then if he still persists make the call. Mike K7PFJ _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Camilo So Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:49 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it's quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it's possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don't mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn't have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it's not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo
Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
The NFCC will not get involved with internal issues such as this. Joe M. Mike Mullarkey wrote: Camilo, The other guy that let his coordination expire is out of luck and needs to vacate the channel. Being a past chairman of the ORRC Oregon Region Relay Council. If the guy that has had the channel and not followed the buy laws of the FRC and filed update paperwork. Try to work with the other repeater operator and if he is not receptive to change. Assuming you have official paperwork in hand and a signed coordination. You can contact the NFCC and let them mediate for you or file official paperwork with the FCC and they will shut him down since he is not coordinated. Good Luck. Mike K7PFJ *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Camilo So *Sent:* Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:49 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it’s quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it’s possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don’t mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn’t have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it’s not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1763 - Release Date: 11/2/2008 7:08 PM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
Camilo, We really should not clog the list with this since this is a repeater builders list. If you want to contact me off the list I would be more than happy in assisting you with any recommendations I may help with. Mike _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Camilo So Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:37 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Hi Mike, My problem is I can not use my repeater because I have PL , His don't have a PL every time I key up I am bringing up two repeater, its like I was being jams, He have the advantage, when he key up he only bring his up, because I have PL. and the worse problem is I am given two mouth to turn my repeater on or lost the frequency that is assigned to me. If I try to call him on his repeater there is no answer, Yes I have the official paperwork, and its easy if you go to http://florida- http://florida-repeaters.org/ repeaters.org/ under repeater listing select 440 MHZ, then under DATABASE CHANGES http://florida-repeaters.org/dbchange.htm look for 444.425 MHZ. The approved date is 10/05/08. Camilo W4CSO - Original Message - From: Mike Mullarkey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Camilo, The other guy that let his coordination expire is out of luck and needs to vacate the channel. Being a past chairman of the ORRC Oregon Region Relay Council. If the guy that has had the channel and not followed the buy laws of the FRC and filed update paperwork. Try to work with the other repeater operator and if he is not receptive to change. Assuming you have official paperwork in hand and a signed coordination. You can contact the NFCC and let them mediate for you or file official paperwork with the FCC and they will shut him down since he is not coordinated. Good Luck. Mike K7PFJ _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Camilo So Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:49 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it's quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it's possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don't mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn't have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it's not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo
Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
Thank you much Mike. Camilo - Original Message - From: Mike Mullarkey To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Camilo, We really should not clog the list with this since this is a repeater builders list. If you want to contact me off the list I would be more than happy in assisting you with any recommendations I may help with. Mike -- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Camilo So Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:37 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Hi Mike, My problem is I can not use my repeater because I have PL , His don't have a PL every time I key up I am bringing up two repeater, its like I was being jams, He have the advantage, when he key up he only bring his up, because I have PL. and the worse problem is I am given two mouth to turn my repeater on or lost the frequency that is assigned to me. If I try to call him on his repeater there is no answer, Yes I have the official paperwork, and its easy if you go to http://florida-repeaters.org/ under repeater listing select 440 MHZ, then under DATABASE CHANGES look for 444.425 MHZ. The approved date is 10/05/08. Camilo W4CSO - Original Message - From: Mike Mullarkey To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Camilo, The other guy that let his coordination expire is out of luck and needs to vacate the channel. Being a past chairman of the ORRC Oregon Region Relay Council. If the guy that has had the channel and not followed the buy laws of the FRC and filed update paperwork. Try to work with the other repeater operator and if he is not receptive to change. Assuming you have official paperwork in hand and a signed coordination. You can contact the NFCC and let them mediate for you or file official paperwork with the FCC and they will shut him down since he is not coordinated. Good Luck. Mike K7PFJ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Camilo So Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:49 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it's quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it's possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don't mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn't have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it's not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo
[Repeater-Builder] Moto battery charger light question
On the rapid gang charger, NTN 4668A for the HT600, MT1000 and others, what does it mean when one of the slots shows a steady yellow/red light together (after the start sequence) when inserting a battery to charge. The same battery in all 5 other slots shows the expected yellow/red/green sequence followed by the steady red for charging. Thanks in advance for the info...I couldn't find a user manual on the web. Dennis -- Dennis L. Wade KG6ZI Carmichael, CA
Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
Have the coordinator get you a different channel. Don't mess with the sharing idea. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:50:27 PM PST From: Camilo So [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it's quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it's possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don't mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn't have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it's not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
Sorry Mike, I disagree. As you know,I spent about 10 years on the ORRC myself, several of those as the database manager. The other repeater was there first. The coordination council either (1) did not have an accurate database and/or (2) did not research it throughly. Even if the first repeater's coordination expired, the first repeater station was there first and still operating as originally coordinated. There is no legal requirement to coordinate repeaters, but the council did know about this individual. Camilo, I suggest find another frequency. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:18:35 PM PST From: Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] The other guy that let his coordination expire is out of luck and needs to vacate the channel. Being a past chairman of the ORRC Oregon Region Relay Council. If the guy that has had the channel and not followed the buy laws of the FRC and filed update paperwork. Try to work with the other repeater operator and if he is not receptive to change. Assuming you have official paperwork in hand and a signed coordination. You can contact the NFCC and let them mediate for you or file official paperwork with the FCC and they will shut him down since he is not coordinated. Good Luck.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: Repeater coordination
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008, lenaw12 wrote: The company Line (Federal Candy Company) is that your coordinated repeater trumps his uncoordinated repeater in a claim of interference. This sounds as though the coordinating entity didn't do it's homework. Either way, the coordinating entity HAS issued you a coordination for the frequency, and you are in coordination and compliance. They obviously have an obligation to determine what has occurred and issue a correction -- either re-issuing a coordination to the other operator, requesting the other operator implement a PL, or requesting that you change your frequency. From my own perspective, I'd ask that you both WORK TOGETHER to find an aimicable solution, as it's difficult enough to establish INFRASTRUCTURE such as repeaters and locations for those repeaters. The fact that both of you have managed to find places and locations to support those two repeaters speak volumes in an of itself -- don't let both machines go to waste through squabbling. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. --rly
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
If the other guy is smart he'll call the FCC first, as he was on the channel first. Coordination is not required, and the coordiation group should have suspected he was still there if the coordination had expired. LOTS off coordinations expire but the repeaters stay on the air. First, this 'call the FCC first' approach is exactly what we don't want to be doing. If you have listened to folks at the FCC level, particularly Riley Hollingsworth, he has been preaching for us to be 'self policing'. We need to get along and share the spectrum. If we are constantly whining to the FCC about things that we should be able to resolve ourselves, they won't be too sympathetic when it comes time to complain about things we can't resolve. What you have described is certainly not an FCC issue, it is a coordination issue. Second, while coordination is not required, it is expected. Much like the band plans, you can operate anywhere you want within the law...but if you are operating FM in the SSB weak signal portion, you can expect to not make friends, not be respected and generally create havoc. How do you avoid that? By coordinating, respecting the 'boundaries' and sharing the resources we have. In our database, we have many entries marked as 'info' only. Mr. Mackey can probably elaborate on these, as I believe he may still be involved in several un-coordinated systems. As such, we make the effort not to coordinate other stations on the same frequencies even though some prefer to not participate in the coordination process. Frankly, we are being polite and trying to share the spectrum and not cause an issue for any operators. That being said, as spectrum becomes harder to find for new applicants, and specifically in the light of new digital (GMSK, P25, etc.) modes which deserve a chance to operate, at some point we will have little choice but to coordinate new applicants in the spaces that are left. Some of those spaces may be occupied by folks who operate a repeater, but choose not to participate in coordination. As such, they have little protection from other users. The letters I have seen from the FCC regarding interference between coordinated and non coordinated repeaters clearly favors the coordinated repeater, and the FCC seems to ask the non-coordinated station to resolve the interference or cease operation. I don't get a chance to read all the enforcement letters, but if you have seen some that say something to the effect that the first guy to put up something on a frequency whether it is coordinated or not gets protection, and any new comer, coordinated or not, must solve the interference or cease operation I'd really love to read it. We have coordinated people on frequencies only to get a report back from them that it seems to be occupied, often by a non-coordinated station. As long as I have been on the board, I believe we have marked that information in our database, and found a new pair for the applicant to try. It is not the coordination groups responsibility to 'suspect the system is still operating even if the coordination has expired'. Conversely, it is the coordination holders responsibility to update their information with the coordinating body. In Oregon, the bylaws of the ORRC were voted on by all members (any repeater owner is eligible to be a member and be coordinated) and require the organization to de-coordinate users after 3 years of failure to update the status of their repeaters systems. We simply can't do what needs to be done if we do not have the current data, and we can't get the current data if we don't get the users to tell us what they're doing. My name is Daron Wilson, I am the chairman of the Oregon Region Relay Council, Inc. and I approve this message. 73
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE MLS ham conversion?
Hi Tom, You can use GE MLS in Ham band with no troubles. You need the original GE programmer to do this. Its necessary to retune the RX and TX VCO near to 4.5 Volts. Looks for a flashing LED in front of radio this indicate an unlocked VCO. Good luck 73 Eric _ De : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Tom Envoyé : 1 novembre 2008 21:01 À : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Objet : [Repeater-Builder] GE MLS ham conversion? I have a UHF GE MLS1 (eeprom one) that I would like to convert to the ham frequencies. Has anyone tried this? Electrically, it looks fairly straightforward. Has anyone tried out of band hacks for the programmer or is that necessary? Any information would be appreciated. Tom WB6DGN
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
HI John, Assuming that there area is like Denver and Portland that may be hard. If there is other channels available take one and if you have a repeater that used crystals make the FRC buck up and pay for the elements. Mike _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JOHN MACKEY Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Have the coordinator get you a different channel. Don't mess with the sharing idea. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:50:27 PM PST From: Camilo So [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:socamilo%40bellsouth.net net To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it's quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it's possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don't mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn't have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it's not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
HI John, I agree with to a point but the FCC will first ask the coordinating group witch repeater is coordinated. That is exactly what Bin would do and has done so in Oregon and Washington. If there is another channel available take it. Mike _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JOHN MACKEY Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:25 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Sorry Mike, I disagree. As you know,I spent about 10 years on the ORRC myself, several of those as the database manager. The other repeater was there first. The coordination council either (1) did not have an accurate database and/or (2) did not research it throughly. Even if the first repeater's coordination expired, the first repeater station was there first and still operating as originally coordinated. There is no legal requirement to coordinate repeaters, but the council did know about this individual. Camilo, I suggest find another frequency. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:18:35 PM PST From: Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:k7pfj%40comcast.net net The other guy that let his coordination expire is out of luck and needs to vacate the channel. Being a past chairman of the ORRC Oregon Region Relay Council. If the guy that has had the channel and not followed the buy laws of the FRC and filed update paperwork. Try to work with the other repeater operator and if he is not receptive to change. Assuming you have official paperwork in hand and a signed coordination. You can contact the NFCC and let them mediate for you or file official paperwork with the FCC and they will shut him down since he is not coordinated. Good Luck.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware
Chuch - You might try a Marine (boat) supply source up your way. Just a thought. -- Doug N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709 Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Just for grins, I checked the Ace website. They had one u-bolt listed, and it just happened to be stainless. They call it U-Bolt Wire Rope Clip which is a u-bolt guy wire clamp. Price - $80.91 ea. What can I say Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Hardware Dunno about stainless steel U-Bolts, but our local Ace Hardware carries a large variety of 'strange' stuff. And, picking up the phone will save you time and money. 73, WM4B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
If he calls the FCC, he will find he is SOL. Coordination is not required, but when one repeater is coordinated, and the other is not, the uncoordinated one must resolve the problem. That's in Part 97. It doesn't matter who was there first. Part 97 makes no reference to seniority. FRC's rules may say something on the matter, but the written FCC rules would trump (actually preempt) and local rules. Joe M. JOHN MACKEY wrote: If the other guy is smart he'll call the FCC first, as he was on the channel first. Coordination is not required, and the coordiation group should have suspected he was still there if the coordination had expired. LOTS off coordinations expire but the repeaters stay on the air. As a past database manager and board member of the Oregon Region Relay Council I can tell you this happens often. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:28:15 PM PST From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination If he is uncooperative, and uncoordinated, just call the FCC. That's about all you can do. You might mention this option to him and that may make him more receptive to acceptable solutions. Joe M. Camilo So wrote: Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it’s quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it’s possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don’t mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn’t have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it’s not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 9:36 AM Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
And I will emphasize my previous point that you should call them ONLY after all other resolutions have been tried. But, if there is no acceptable alternative, you have the high road on the complaint. Joe M. Daron Wilson wrote: If the other guy is smart he'll call the FCC first, as he was on the channel first. Coordination is not required, and the coordiation group should have suspected he was still there if the coordination had expired. LOTS off coordinations expire but the repeaters stay on the air. First, this 'call the FCC first' approach is exactly what we don't want to be doing. If you have listened to folks at the FCC level, particularly Riley Hollingsworth, he has been preaching for us to be 'self policing'. We need to get along and share the spectrum.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna Hardware
Chuck try Tennadyne. Their website doesn't show much, but they showed up at a local hamfest 3 weeks ago with a bunch of hardware on their table. It might be worth a call. Tennadyne 616.868.9907. I have no interest in the company... Laryn K8TVZ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
First of all I want to apologize to the Moderator for bringing up a of topic on this group, most of all thank you to every one that reply specially Joe M. (MCH) this is the same shortcut my XYL is working at (Miami Children Hospital). Again thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo - Original Message - From: MCH To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination And I will emphasize my previous point that you should call them ONLY after all other resolutions have been tried. But, if there is no acceptable alternative, you have the high road on the complaint. Joe M. Daron Wilson wrote: If the other guy is smart he'll call the FCC first, as he was on the channel first. Coordination is not required, and the coordiation group should have suspected he was still there if the coordination had expired. LOTS off coordinations expire but the repeaters stay on the air. First, this 'call the FCC first' approach is exactly what we don't want to be doing. If you have listened to folks at the FCC level, particularly Riley Hollingsworth, he has been preaching for us to be 'self policing'. We need to get along and share the spectrum.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: Repeater coordination
lenaw12 wrote: The company Line (Federal Candy Company) is that your coordinated repeater trumps his uncoordinated repeater in a claim of interference. The difficulty here seems that you didn't transmit on the input, you just listened on the output, when you were searching for frequencies. The repeater coordinators just went by their paperwork in making their assignment, with no field tests. It wouldn't surprise me if he saw the coordination come through, and magically his repeater came back to life, with him saying 'oh, it's been there all along.' Happened here a few times...
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
Hi Mike! I'm in partial agreement with you also, but there is something wrong with a coordination council that coordinates a repeater on a freq that they knew already had a repeater on it - even if it is expired. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:54:47 PM PST From: Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination HI John, I agree with to a point but the FCC will first ask the coordinating group witch repeater is coordinated. That is exactly what Bin would do and has done so in Oregon and Washington. If there is another channel available take it. Mike _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JOHN MACKEY Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:25 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination Sorry Mike, I disagree. As you know,I spent about 10 years on the ORRC myself, several of those as the database manager. The other repeater was there first. The coordination council either (1) did not have an accurate database and/or (2) did not research it throughly. Even if the first repeater's coordination expired, the first repeater station was there first and still operating as originally coordinated. There is no legal requirement to coordinate repeaters, but the council did know about this individual. Camilo, I suggest find another frequency. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:18:35 PM PST From: Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:k7pfj%40comcast.net net The other guy that let his coordination expire is out of luck and needs to vacate the channel. Being a past chairman of the ORRC Oregon Region Relay Council. If the guy that has had the channel and not followed the buy laws of the FRC and filed update paperwork. Try to work with the other repeater operator and if he is not receptive to change. Assuming you have official paperwork in hand and a signed coordination. You can contact the NFCC and let them mediate for you or file official paperwork with the FCC and they will shut him down since he is not coordinated. Good Luck.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
Coordination is intended to avoid conflict. The coordination council coordinated another system where they knew a repeater had been operating without confirming it was no longer operational. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:53:38 PM PST From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination If he calls the FCC, he will find he is SOL. Coordination is not required, but when one repeater is coordinated, and the other is not, the uncoordinated one must resolve the problem. That's in Part 97. It doesn't matter who was there first. Part 97 makes no reference to seniority. FRC's rules may say something on the matter, but the written FCC rules would trump (actually preempt) and local rules. Joe M. JOHN MACKEY wrote: If the other guy is smart he'll call the FCC first, as he was on the channel first. Coordination is not required, and the coordiation group should have suspected he was still there if the coordination had expired. LOTS off coordinations expire but the repeaters stay on the air. As a past database manager and board member of the Oregon Region Relay Council I can tell you this happens often. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:28:15 PM PST From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination If he is uncooperative, and uncoordinated, just call the FCC. That's about all you can do. You might mention this option to him and that may make him more receptive to acceptable solutions. Joe M. Camilo So wrote: Hi sorry for out of topic question, because most of the friend I have ask no one can give an answer or advice that is why I am turning to this group for help and advice, regarding.The pair of repeater frequency that I applied for, First I went to the FRC (Florida Repeater Council) website, and look for frequency that is not listed, and I did monitor the frequency (444.425 MHZ) for traffic or qso it’s quiet,Then I applied for the freq. and it was approved by FRC, The problem is when I turn my Repeater on (with PL), I was bringing another repeater up on csq (carrier squelch). Then I send an email to the FRC reporting that there is a repeater on that freq, and they found out that the repeater freq belong to KA4DFX according to the coordinator that his permit expired two years ago, and they want the director of district 1 W4HN to contact KA4DFX to convince him to apply for a frequency coordination, but W4HN is blaming me, in his email he told me to listen before turning my repeater on because in HF if some one is having a QSO and you are calling cq,cq, I am interfering someone qso, but this repeater is quiet no qso no one knows there is a repeater, on that freq, its not listed on the new updated FRC website, to make this story short, I am not trying to step On somebody shoes, I just want to contact KA4DFX, to ask him a favor if it’s possible for him to put a PL on his repeater, and I don’t mind sharing the frequency with him. But looking at qrz he doesn’t have an address just (P.O. Box) and no email address. I know it’s not my job to contact him, if any one has any suggestion or advice please let me know, I am open for comments Thanks to all. 73 W4CSO Camilo No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 9:36 AM Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Repeater coordination
Daron - In a perfect world you would be correct. But unforunately amateur radio coordination is far from perfect. Regarding some of the systems that the ORRC believe are uncoordinated which I am affilated, that is because they do not recognize the 2 other coordinating bodies in Oregon. That is thier problem, not anyone elses. If the ORRC had been operating professionally and effectively, there would have no reason to start the other coordination bodies. -- Original Message -- Received: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:11:29 PM PST From: Daron Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] First, this 'call the FCC first' approach is exactly what we don't want to be doing. If you have listened to folks at the FCC level, particularly Riley Hollingsworth, he has been preaching for us to be 'self policing'. We need to get along and share the spectrum. If we are constantly whining to the FCC about things that we should be able to resolve ourselves, they won't be too sympathetic when it comes time to complain about things we can't resolve. What you have described is certainly not an FCC issue, it is a coordination issue. Second, while coordination is not required, it is expected. Much like the band plans, you can operate anywhere you want within the law...but if you are operating FM in the SSB weak signal portion, you can expect to not make friends, not be respected and generally create havoc. How do you avoid that? By coordinating, respecting the 'boundaries' and sharing the resources we have. In our database, we have many entries marked as 'info' only. Mr. Mackey can probably elaborate on these, as I believe he may still be involved in several un-coordinated systems. As such, we make the effort not to coordinate other stations on the same frequencies even though some prefer to not participate in the coordination process. Frankly, we are being polite and trying to share the spectrum and not cause an issue for any operators. That being said, as spectrum becomes harder to find for new applicants, and specifically in the light of new digital (GMSK, P25, etc.) modes which deserve a chance to operate, at some point we will have little choice but to coordinate new applicants in the spaces that are left. Some of those spaces may be occupied by folks who operate a repeater, but choose not to participate in coordination. As such, they have little protection from other users. The letters I have seen from the FCC regarding interference between coordinated and non coordinated repeaters clearly favors the coordinated repeater, and the FCC seems to ask the non-coordinated station to resolve the interference or cease operation. I don't get a chance to read all the enforcement letters, but if you have seen some that say something to the effect that the first guy to put up something on a frequency whether it is coordinated or not gets protection, and any new comer, coordinated or not, must solve the interference or cease operation I'd really love to read it. We have coordinated people on frequencies only to get a report back from them that it seems to be occupied, often by a non-coordinated station. As long as I have been on the board, I believe we have marked that information in our database, and found a new pair for the applicant to try. It is not the coordination groups responsibility to 'suspect the system is still operating even if the coordination has expired'. Conversely, it is the coordination holders responsibility to update their information with the coordinating body. In Oregon, the bylaws of the ORRC were voted on by all members (any repeater owner is eligible to be a member and be coordinated) and require the organization to de-coordinate users after 3 years of failure to update the status of their repeaters systems. We simply can't do what needs to be done if we do not have the current data, and we can't get the current data if we don't get the users to tell us what they're doing. My name is Daron Wilson, I am the chairman of the Oregon Region Relay Council, Inc. and I approve this message. 73
