RE: [Repeater-Builder] 2 tone paging tones

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Your Motorola radios, both hand held and mobile can do 2-tone encode in a
lot of models. Just set one up as your base unit or use a hand held and your
set. I have an XTS2500 that I can do that with for testing fire pagers on
low power and the antenna removed so it does not alert everyone in the
county.

 

Any questions just ask.

 

Peter Summerhawk

N0WRE

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:22 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 2 tone paging tones

 

  

Hey guys,

Perhaps some of you creative guys in public safety can help, or come up with
some creative ones.
I'm actually working on a few repeaters in the commercial band for our
incident notification network.
One of the things i thought about doing was using some of the old clasic
plectron tones with the high low tones if some of you guys remember those.
Anyone have any wave files that are clean, or any suggestions for good
paging tones?

Thanks,
Jed



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RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Eric,

Thanks for that I will have to check my CPS as  we run XTS2500's and on some
channels the squelch tail is almost deafening when the repeater drops.  I
will have to take a look and see what our settings are and get them
adjusted.

 

Thanks for the information and reply.

 

Peter Summerhawk

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:55 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater

 

  

Peter,

In the Advanced tab of the Motorola CPS, there is a check box labeled,
"Non-Standard Reverse Burst." When checked, the radio is programmed to
encode and decode CTCSS reverse burst in the 180-degree format used by
Kenwood and many other manufacturers. When unchecked- its default
condition- the reverse burst is processed in 120-degree format, which is the
Motorola standard.

This must be properly programmed for each personality, since it operates on
a per-channel basis. I use my HT1250 on a mixture of Motorola and Kenwood
repeaters, and it is really nice for it to mute silently- both on my end and
the repeater end- on all repeaters. All radios in the system must have
reverse burst operative in both encode and decode mode for this feature to
work properly. 

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Peter Dakota
Summerhawk
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:54 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater

Eric,

So what settings should you have for the Motorola radios to avoid the
squelch tail in the system? Reverse burst turned on or off?

Thanks

Peter Summerhawk

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:22 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater

Paul,

You have put your finger on the major difference between modern Motorola and
Kenwood radios. Kenwood chose to equip their products to process only the
180-degree phase shift reverse-burst squelch tail elimination scheme, while
Motorola Professional Series radios can be programmed for either 180-degree
or 120-degree phase shift. TIA-603-C, the international standard for
land-mobile radio performance, recognizes both reverse schemes as equally
viable. Kenwood may recapture some market share, once their radios are
equipped to encode and decode reverse burst in either scheme.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Paul Dumdie
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:12 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater

I have a TKR-750 repeater and like it. My only issue is that I use Motorola
Portables and keep getting a squelch crash. What have you guys setting the
setting for the reverse burst at to get rid of the squelch crash? 

Thanks!

Paul R. Dumdie Jr. "73"
W9DWP/R IRLP-NODE-4455
443.025/2A 145.270/1B/1Z/NAC-293
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Eric,

So what settings should you have for the Motorola radios to avoid the
squelch tail in the system? Reverse burst turned on or off?

Thanks

 

Peter Summerhawk

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:22 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater

 

  

Paul,

You have put your finger on the major difference between modern Motorola and
Kenwood radios. Kenwood chose to equip their products to process only the
180-degree phase shift reverse-burst squelch tail elimination scheme, while
Motorola Professional Series radios can be programmed for either 180-degree
or 120-degree phase shift. TIA-603-C, the international standard for
land-mobile radio performance, recognizes both reverse schemes as equally
viable. Kenwood may recapture some market share, once their radios are
equipped to encode and decode reverse burst in either scheme.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 ] On Behalf Of Paul Dumdie
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:12 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: 50 Watt Repeater

I have a TKR-750 repeater and like it. My only issue is that I use Motorola
Portables and keep getting a squelch crash. What have you guys setting the
setting for the reverse burst at to get rid of the squelch crash? 

Thanks!

Paul R. Dumdie Jr. "73"
W9DWP/R IRLP-NODE-4455
443.025/2A 145.270/1B/1Z/NAC-293
ARC-Radio-8 KCARES KCAPS 
HERD546 EX WB9QWZ
WQGG738-462.725 AAR5CU/T
www.riflesandradios.com
www.theherd.com

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Question on portable repeaters

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Ford Explorer if that helps. And yes I was looking for a 2M repeater even if
the spacing does have to be more than 600Kh just curious if its doable.

Thanks

Peter

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Quirk
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:07 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Question on portable repeaters

 

  


How big is the SUV?

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Eric Lemmon  wrote:


From: Eric Lemmon 
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Question on portable repeaters
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 6:42 PM

Peter,

The only viable solution for a portable repeater on 2m is to use two
widely-spaced frequencies, low power, and a compact base-station duplexer.
Here in Central and Southern California, TASMA has wisely set aside two
frequencies (144.930 input and 147.585 output) exclusively for temporary
portable repeaters.  The 2.655 MHz separation means that a small duplexer
such as the Celwave 5085-1 can be used at low power, say 10 watts.  I have
just such a repeater in the final stages of construction, using a Motorola
R1225 VHF duplex radio running about 8 watts- more than enough for emergency
communications.  The complete repeater is in a Pelican-style case that is
about one cubic foot and weighs about 15 pounds.

Separate antennas is really not an option here.  Even with just 10 watts of
power, the horizontal separation needed to avoid desense is over 9,500 feet
horizontally or 150 feet vertically.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


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Summerhawk
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om> 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Question on portable repeaters

  

Morning,
We are looking at building a portable repeater for special even use. This
will be mobile mounted and 2M. My questions is this: If we are using two
radios (one for TX one for RX) then what does the antenna separation have to
be for all of this to work? Planning on mounting this in a SUV so roof space
can be adjusted if need be.

Thanks

Peter Dakota Summerhawk
Laramie County ARES











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[Repeater-Builder] Question on portable repeaters

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Morning,
We are looking at building a portable repeater for special even use. This
will be mobile mounted and 2M. My questions is this: If we are using two
radios (one for TX one for RX) then what does the antenna separation have to
be for all of this to work? Planning on mounting this in a SUV so roof space
can be adjusted if need be.

Thanks


Peter Dakota Summerhawk
Laramie County ARES

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Portable repeater

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

We use a couple of M-10 radios turned down to 10W and a simple controller along 
with the duplexer with a solar panel and deep cycle battery for our portable 
repeater and it seems to work very well. Just make sure that you have a 
controller to charge the battery properly and that the solar cell can keep it 
charged on a full duty cycle for the repeater. GM300 or GR300 can be used as 
long as your not driving them at full power or you will burn up the finals.
Peter Summerhawk

-Original Message-
From: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:58 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Portable repeater

 
Use a solar panel to keep a charge on the battery. if the repeater is only 5
 watts then a small solar panel will do the trick easily.

 you can get a 120 watt panel or an array of smaller panels for portability
 which will charge the battery plus run the repeater all day and allow the
 system to operate through the night on battery power.

 Thanks,

 Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis

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 "Saving UnWanted PC's From The Landfill One Computer At A Time :)"

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] VHF repeater suggestions...

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Len,

Shot you an email off list.

Peter

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Len Revelle
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:25 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] VHF repeater suggestions...

 






Our local RACES group has a Kenwood TKR-720 driving a TPL PA that they 
were ill-advised to purchase some years ago. It is maintained by the 
county radio shop for various reasons and has been a nightmare. Once 
again the final in the Kenwood has done a meltdown.

That said, the local EMA manager, also a new ham, wishes to replace it 
if he can squeeze the funds out somewhere. My recommendation, 
obviously the most expensive, was a Master III and new Arcom 
controller simply because the county already maintains three VHF M3's 
and a 5-site, 8-channel trunked system using 800 M3's. Parts and 
support are good.

I would really appreciate input, both regarding setting up a Master 
III, or other viable repeater. We need, minimally, 100% duty-cycle at 
approximately 100 watts, good parts and support available, and 
reliability. Is there a decent source for M3's with P25 becoming more 
desirable, etc..

I don't want a, "mine is better than yours," war so off-reflector 
replies are also welcome. TIA...

Len Revelle N9IJ
n...@comcast.  net

RE: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 repeater build ?2

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Had the same problem on a M-10 setup that I was using.  Do you run PL on
your machine? I jumped the mic connection with a "Dummy mic" plug and the
noise went away. Try that and see if that works.

Peter

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of NORM KNAPP
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:14 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 repeater build ?2

 






Sounds like you may be experiencing the phenomenom known as "microphonics". 

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yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> 
To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Wed May 13 20:53:04 2009 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 repeater build ?2 



I just got my cat-200 controller programed up and i notice some oddities
with my tx audio. 

I have a large fan that runs in the cabinet and the radios pick up the
noise. Also , when i am transmitting into the repeater , i can tap on the
speakers for both the tx and rx radio and you can hear the tapping on the
output of the repeater . Best described as the speaker is acting like a
microphone and that how the fan noise is getting in 

Any suggestions ?? 
Maybe disable the speaker from the jumpers between pin 15 and 16 ? 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TK2180 software

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Kenwood_rss has the software that you need.

Peter

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skipp025
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:59 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TK2180 software

 


Hi Ed, 

If no one has already answered you... you're welcome to Email 
and/or call me. I'm an Authorized Kenwood Dealer and Service 
Station. Email probably gets the fastest response while I'm 
out in the field. 

cheers, 

skipp 
skipp...@yahoo.  com 
www.radiowrench.com 

> "Ed Flipsen"  wrote:
>
> Good Morning 
> Since we have no Kenwood dealers in our area I was
> wondering if anyone has the programming software and 
> required cables and documentation for the above mentioned 
> Kenwood handheld for sale or know where I could acquire 
> such a copy 
> 
> thanks 
> Ed Flipsen 
> Manager
> OnionLake Network Services
> 
> edw...@...
> 
> 306 344 5283 Network Services
> 
> 306 344 5287 Fax
> 
> 780 847 2200 Band Office
> 
> 
> 
> The views and opinions of this author are not to be misconstrued, used in
> any covert operation or guaranteed to work any longer than it took you to
> read this. No warranty is implied or issued.
>

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 2 GM300 UHF Mobile Radios for Repeater

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

I use a few M-10 with a controller on ebay from MRE and it works just fine.

Peter Summerhawk

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Azam
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:53 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 2 GM300 UHF Mobile Radios for Repeater

 

hi,
we have been using surplus GM300 Radios as repeater about one year and have
no problem with it.. very good radios. Either using back to back interface
from ebay or HLNB controller both work great.
We are planning to link our repeaters and need help for interfacing it. I
appreciate if anybody can help us.
What we have in the workshop left are one more HLMB and 2 unit back to
back interface cable that we bought from ebay. 

regards
azam

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:14 PM, aisendwight mailto:aisendwi...@yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote:

--- In Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com, "Romy"  wrote:
>
> Sorry if this question might have been asked before already.
> I am planning to use 2 GM300 Radios (M44GMC20D3AA) to build a simple
repeater in a back to back configuration . For those who used this
configuration can you please share any tips and ideas. How is the
performance and reliability of this configuration? I am also planning to use
the repeater on Echolink.
>

Hello Romy, one of my repeaters is made out of two Motorola M120's (the two
channel version of the GM300). And it works great. As long as you place it
on a place with good ventilation and place a fan on the back of the
transmitting radio you should have no problems. You should also set the
power of the transmitting radio to about 25 to 30 watts. All M44's can do 40
watts, but it's better to limit the power to reduce the risk of a TX
transistor burnout do to excesive use. Remember that these radios are not
100% duty cycle.

I use mine to provide comm service to a private ambulance company and it's
worked well until now. A 15 amp power supply will be enough, (that's what I
use) but you can use more power if you have it.

About the interface, I assume you will be using the simple cable being sold
in ebay. I use one of those also. Although I'm planning to use a more
sophisticated controller later.

One thing...are your radios 8 channel or 16 channel? if they are 8 channel
models, I believe that you wont have to reassign functions to the 16 pin
logic. But if 16 channels...you will have to change the function of pin 8 to
enable it to send the COR signal nesessary for operation. That's the good
thing about the 8 channel GM300, the two channel M120 and the single channel
M10, you don't have to change anything, just plug and play.

Finally, if you need programming software for the radios, let me know, I've
got several versions, including the v.5 Version.

Aisen

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

I have to agree with Eric on this one. I have set up the DPL on the output
of the repeater different than the input so it's harder to find the DPL
code. Motorola is great about this for programming as it's a lot harder to
hack the repeater if you have two different DPL codes for in and out. Most
handhelds that you can modify don't do thins and commercial radios can do it
with very little programming.

Peter Summerhawk

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:57 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

 

Jason,

The upside to using DPL (CDCSS) for repeater access is that few, if any,
wannabe users will be able to get in- IF you encode a different code (DPL or
PL) than you decode. If your repeater passes through the incoming code to
the output, you have already given the hackers the clues that they need.
Simple repeaters that encode the same code that they decode are child's play
to figure out.

The downside to using DPL is that the turnoff code of 134.4 Hz is the same
for ALL CDCSS codes, meaning that another user on the same RF frequency who
has a different DPL code will mute YOUR frequency as well, when he unkeys.
A lot of community repeater operators who thought DPL was a great idea for
shared-channel security, learned the hard way!

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of j
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:08 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

Sorry if this isnt the best place to post this... Is there a benefit to 
using a DPL vs a PL? I am putting a repeater together and thought I 
would try and get some input...

Thanks!
Jason

RE: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

The set of frequencies that we just got done installing for our local
commercial machine fall into the commercial pool of business band. I ran DPL
on the repeater as to not have anyone that doesn't belong on the machine and
the new system as several people (I never found out who) thought it was nice
to be able to harass our staff when we were running PL on the old system.

Peter Summerhawk

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AJ
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:41 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

 

The lack of a harsh squelch tailis usually one of the benefits (as opposed
to PL Reverse Burst)...

 

But locally, at least in the Amateur realm, it's been implemented ONLY to
prevent access by the general Amateur community...

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Chuck Kelsey mailto:wb2...@roadrunner.com> com> wrote:

Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

If your intent is to try to somewhat restrict users, DPL would help 
accomplish this. Many potential users wouldn't try encoding DPL if they were

attempting to "find" your tone. Some might, but most would probably just 
give up and move on.

At least that's my take.

Chuck
WB2EDV 



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From: "j" mailto:crowenus%40yahoo.com> com>
To: mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

> Sorry if this isnt the best place to post this... Is there a benefit to
> using a DPL vs a PL? I am putting a repeater together and thought I
> would try and get some input...
>
> Thanks!
> Jason
>

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Got some noise from a fan in the system

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

That question is already answered in the first post. I am using a RA1-ID off
eBay for a controller. But I did take the advice and used a wall wart to
power the fan and now the hum is gone!

Thanks everyone for the information, my boss is happy and now I can get some
rest and have him off my back!

Thanks again!

Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Beatty
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:41 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Got some noise from a fan in the system

 

Good Morning Peter -- 

Before I can suggest anything I need some more information. Is this a
Motorola repeater, in a cabinet with a motorola power supply? Are you using
a motorola RIC, basically - what is the configuration of the repeater?

I ask this because it has been well documented in the past that some
controllers exhibit fan noise when they are connected in such a way as to
control the fan activity or ar in parallel with the power of the repeater on
a less than high quality supply capable of handling the repeater total
current -- 

Rick NU7Z

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Dakota Summerhawk mailto:commcon...@gmail.com> com> wrote:

Morning,
I have a couple of M-10 radios run together with a 12VDC fan keeping 
them cool in the cabinet. However the power block has them all run into 
the same line fed by the power supply. You can hear the noise of the 
fan when you key the repeater. Would a filter help this on the positive 
line of the fan? Or maybe a coil to filter the noise? I am at a loss as 
to what might keep the system cool but also eliminate the noise of the 
fan as well.

Thanks for the help in advance.
Peter Summerhawk

 

[Repeater-Builder] Got some noise from a fan in the system

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Morning,
I have a couple of M-10 radios run together with a 12VDC fan keeping 
them cool in the cabinet. However the power block has them all run into 
the same line fed by the power supply. You can hear the noise of the 
fan when you key the repeater. Would a filter help this on the positive 
line of the fan? Or maybe a coil to filter the noise? I am at a loss as 
to what might keep the system cool but also eliminate the noise of the 
fan as well.

Thanks for the help in advance.
Peter Summerhawk

RE: [Repeater-Builder] W4ZT Tony King SK

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

My thoughts a prayers go out to the King family as well as Tony. May he
still reach the heavens above to be with God.

Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Crockett KC4YI
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:56 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] W4ZT Tony King SK

 

Tony passed away this afternoon at 2:40 after a long battle with cancer.
He will be missed by me and all the other friends he made over the 
years. 

John, KC4YI

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeaters for "CERT" Use?

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Any group can apply for a commercial band repeater and use it, licensing can
be expensive for commercial frequencies though. What we use is MURS for the
non hams and then the team leaders are hams and relay the information back
to the CP. Might look into seeing if your public service has a frequency
that you can use first to avoid spending lot so money of a project that you
have a resource already.

Any questions let me know and shoot me an email.

Peter Summerhawk

Laramie County CERT Instructor

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of w7...@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:01 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeaters for "CERT" Use?

 

Hello Group,

 

A week or so ago, I believe I read on this list, that someone
 said the CERT
groups were allowed to

apply for "Commercial" radio channel(s). Here, on Vashon Island, Wa., we
have over 100 CERT members. They are using "FRS" radios in the field. It
makes it very difficult for our "EOC" to pass and receive traffic from them.

 

How can I verify that indeed CERT is authorized the use of "Commercial"
channel(s), and possibly repeater? They way we are set up nowHams
operate out of each of our (5) fire stations and "talk to the EOC on our
Island UHF repeater. The EOC would certainly like to be tied into the CERT
activities, so I am excited to think that CERT may be authorized VHF/UHF
channels for their own system!

 

Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.

 

Tim Hardy W7TRH/AFA0TP/FD. EMT



 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur Radio Repeater Usage

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Some of the "paper repeaters" that are not working and listed on the
repeater directory need to be taken down and reassigned as they are just
tying up space and if they are not used other than for special event then
they need to go the way of the dodo.

Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
larryjspamme...@teleport.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:48 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur Radio Repeater Usage

 

Yet there is no end to requests for repeater pairs, especially on 2-Meters.
And now, future D-STAR repeater owners seem to have their eye on existing
analog repeater pairs, and are making battle plans to get their requests
moved up ahead of people already on the waiting list in the local
coordination councils - even displacing existing repeaters. Some are already
ordering the equipment, sure that they will be moved to the front of the
waiting list. At least that seems to be the talk around here in the NW



-Original Message- 
From: Kris Kirby 
Sent: Dec 16, 2008 1:01 PM 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur Radio Repeater Usage 




On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, Tony L. wrote:
> We're continuing to experience a significant drop off in usage of ham 
> repeaters (all bands) in the Northern NJ area.
> 
> It is not uncommon to find a repeater that has been dormant for 
> months.
> 
> What's it like in your part of the country?

In central Alabama, entirely too quiet. Two meters is normally only used 
during "drive time", and despite eight 440 machines that cover the city, 
none are irregularly or regularly used. Seems like we're in the doldrums 
of ham radio.

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR mailto:kris%40catonic.us> us>
But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. 
--rly

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] make some extram money (Repair Job)

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Joe, Sent you an email off list and it bounced.

Shoot me an email. Commconinc @ Gmail.com

 

Thanks

Peter

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:11 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] make some extram money (Repair Job)

 

Is anyone intrested in making some extra money.I have to motorola 
raduis, one VHF and a UHF and the cross band does not work...I am 
willing to pay some one to fix it. Please contact Joe at 
joen5...@bellouth.  net 

 

[Repeater-Builder] Question on RICK and M-10 for repeater related

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Morning Crew,

I have the M-10 for both TX and RX set up to use with the RICK but was
curious as to if the mic could be hooked to the RX side to still be used as
a base station? I don't know so I am asking here just to make sure.

Thanks

Peter Summerhawk 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Using the Motorola RICK (aka repeater controller)

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

I got one of the MRE Direct RICK off eBay for a lower price than a full
blown RICK for getting the two CDM1550 that I have and was set up for full
cross band now. Very nice setup if I do say so, not to hard to program it in
the software CPS either. And its switch able so I can flip the toggle and
turn it off as well.

Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wqjf348
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:15 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Using the Motrola RICK (aka repeater
controller)

 

Looking for some ideas...

I am running a GR500 with R1225 guts for a GMRS system. I would love 
to add a link radio to link to a repeater in a nearby town. What is 
the easiest way to do this?

I thought of using a RICK with two of my mobiles to receive my 
repeater signal and then transmit it on the other repeater input. 
This seems like a lot of antennas and radios. 

On the GR500, I have the ZR310 community controller setup. 

I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts and ideas.

Thanks!

Ben
WQJF348
West Jordan, Utah

--- In Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com, "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> Yes, it's a min two cup of java sit down with the manual. 
> 
> The rick also works well as a remote base... I've set up a 
> number of them with duplex uhf links to control mountain top 
> remote base stations on both vhf and uhf. 
> 
> cheers, 
> skipp 
> 
> > (R)epeater (I)nterface (C)ommunications (K)it. It is a 
> > Motorola "box" that can be configured as either a Uni 
> > or Bi directional repeater (along with many other 
> > variations). The setup and configuration manual can 
> > be a little confusing but it works.
>

 

[Repeater-Builder] CDM1550 Crossband using Motrola RICK?

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Morning,

I was wanting to know if its possible to hook up a VHF and UHF radio to a
Motorola RICK and use them for a cross band repeater? What would I have to
do to accomplish this first off and can the radios be used normally when the
rick is off on another channel?

Some help?

 

Thanks

 

Peter Summerhawk

 

[Repeater-Builder] Community Tone board question

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

I think I know the answer to this but I am going to confirm it. The
community tone board only filters out what talk group you don't want to
hear. And it won't let you if you have multiple groups on the same pair talk
over each other. Am I correct on this? The reason I ask is that we have
several groups that want to be on the same pair but want different PL's  but
the machine wont let two people with different pairs talk at the same time
if I am not mistaken. We only have one pair for this site (VHF) and they
want several talk groups for grounds, maintenance, banquets, housekeeping,
ad the front desk.

 

Let me know of I am right on this or if I am being crazy.

 

Thanks

Peter

RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] VHF Duplexer

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Question on this: I have a 151/159 split on my freqs that I am working with,
can a mobile duplexer be used for this and still work well?

Thanks 

Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:12 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] VHF Duplexer

 

At 8/30/2008 10:22, you wrote:
>This question is best posed on the Repeater-Builder list
>(Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com), but I know the answer: A mobile (notch)
>duplexer will not work at a 600 kHz split. Even a 3 or 4 MHz split results
>in unacceptable performance.
>
>I have built a portable repeater for 2m, using the special TASMA "portable
>repeater pair" of 147.585 MHz input and 144.930 MHz output- a split of
2.655
>MHz-

Glad to hear someone besides me is making good use of that pair.

> but I had to use a Celwave 5085-1 duplexer to make it work. The 5085
>duplexer is about twice the size of a mobile notch duplexer, and it is
>intended for splits as narrow as 3 MHz. With careful tuning on a network
>analyzer and using a 1-to-10 watt Motorola 1225 full-duplex transceiver, it
>performs very well.

I'm surprised you had to go to something a bit bigger than the standard 
6-section mobile duplexer to make it work. I have a total of 3 VHF mobile 
duplexers & 2 of them are quite a bit smaller than the 5085-1, but they 
still perform adequately: ~2.1 dB loss & 65 to 70 dB notches. I actually 
put a VHF UHS preamp on one system to try to squeeze a little more S/N out 
of it & it actually worked in that it didn't introduce any desense or 
IMD. Unfortunately the site noise is so high in LA that I don't think it 
actually made a significant improvement in S/N.

Bob NO6B

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Talked with my contact they are going to see if we can get a 151/159 split
to better suit our needs. Will keep you posted on this.

Thanks

Peter Summerhawk

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:11 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related

 

At 08:45 AM 08/25/08, you wrote:

OK, got the M-10's in the mail yesterday and will have to get them over to
the shop to program them. What I got for a freq spread is:
151.835 and 153.020 so I can t use a duplexer and will have to run a dual
antenna system. How far apart do I have to mount these to make sure they
work ok? I have a Motorola RICK to use and want to have the units programmed
for around 15 watts or so that way I don't burn out the radios when we
really need it. I am thinking that the 153.020 is going to be repeater input
and the 151.835 is the output. I will be running DCS on the system to avoid
problems with the system. The radios (CP200) are going to be programmed with
MDC1200 signaling as the supervisors carry a HT1250 so they can see who keys
up and if there are any problems.
I need some help on getting the antennas set up and I can program the rigs
for  the repeater use so no problem there.
 
Thanks
 
Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE


That split (under 1.2 MHz)  is a little close for a baby notch-only
duplexer.  
Can you get a different input frequency further out?

If you can get a 4 mhz or so you will find it is much easier and much 
cheaper to make it work.   

A while back the Canadians surplused out a BIG bunch of high 
band MSR2000s with 4-5mhz duplexers in them (inside the MSR 
cabinet), and all of them that went into amateur service had them 
ripped out and shelved.  

If you can bump the receive channel further out then one of those 
ex-Canadian would scratch your itch just fine, and the seller would 
get some shelf space back, so it should be pretty cheap as well.

I wouldn't mind finding one of those myself - I have a use for one. 
The repeater transmit channel would be in the 151-152 area and 
the receive channel would be in the 156-158 area.

Mike WA6ILQ

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

I am checking on that right now to see if we can get a  greater spread. Will 
keep you updated.
Peter Summerhawk 

-Original Message-
From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:10 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related

At 08:45 AM 08/25/08, you wrote:
OK, got the M-10’s in the mail yesterday and will have to get them over to the 
shop to program them. What I got for a freq spread is:
 151.835 and 153.020 so I can t use a duplexer and will have to run a dual 
antenna system. How far apart do I have to mount these to make sure they work 
ok? I have a Motorola RICK to use and want to have the units programmed for 
around 15 watts or so that way I don’t burn out the radios when we really need 
it. I am thinking that the 153.020 is going to be repeater input and the 
151.835 is the output. I will be running DCS on the system to avoid problems 
with the system. The radios (CP200) are going to be programmed with MDC1200 
signaling as the supervisors carry a HT1250 so they can see who keys up and if 
there are any problems.
 I need some help on getting the antennas set up and I can program the rigs 
for  the repeater use so no problem there.
  
 Thanks
  
 Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE
 That split (under 1.2 MHz)  is a little close for a baby notch-only duplexer. 
 Can you get a different input frequency further out?

 If you can get a 4 mhz or so you will find it is much easier and much
 cheaper to make it work.  

 A while back the Canadians surplused out a BIG bunch of high
 band MSR2000s with 4-5mhz duplexers in them (inside the MSR
 cabinet), and all of them that went into amateur service had them


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

I have not found a duplexer that will cover that and still stay inside the
repeater enclosure that I have. Its one of the setups from Motorola that
houses the radios and RICK as well as the duplexer.

Do you have a source for them by chance?

 

Thanks

Peter Summerhak

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Oliver
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:14 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related

 

You certainly can use a duplexer at the input and output spread you listed
and it should work quite well.

 

tom

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Peter Dakota   Summerhawk 

To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com

Sent: 8/25/2008 11:45:59 AM 

Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related

 

OK, got the M-10's in the mail yesterday and will have to get them over to
the shop to program them. What I got for a freq spread is:

151.835 and 153.020 so I can t use a duplexer and will have to run a dual
antenna system. How far apart do I have to mount these to make sure they
work ok? I have a Motorola RICK to use and want to have the units programmed
for around 15 watts or so that way I don't burn out the radios when we
really need it. I am thinking that the 153.020 is going to be repeater input
and the 151.835 is the output. I will be running DCS on the system to avoid
problems with the system. The radios (CP200) are going to be programmed with
MDC1200 signaling as the supervisors carry a HT1250 so they can see who keys
up and if there are any problems.

I need some help on getting the antennas set up and I can program the rigs
for  the repeater use so no problem there.

 

Thanks

 

Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE

 

 

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[Repeater-Builder] Need some help- M-10 related

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

OK, got the M-10's in the mail yesterday and will have to get them over to
the shop to program them. What I got for a freq spread is:

151.835 and 153.020 so I can t use a duplexer and will have to run a dual
antenna system. How far apart do I have to mount these to make sure they
work ok? I have a Motorola RICK to use and want to have the units programmed
for around 15 watts or so that way I don't burn out the radios when we
really need it. I am thinking that the 153.020 is going to be repeater input
and the 151.835 is the output. I will be running DCS on the system to avoid
problems with the system. The radios (CP200) are going to be programmed with
MDC1200 signaling as the supervisors carry a HT1250 so they can see who keys
up and if there are any problems.

I need some help on getting the antennas set up and I can program the rigs
for  the repeater use so no problem there.

 

Thanks

 

Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE

 

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Good source for single channel Motorola radios for portable repeater?

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Ok got a set of M-10 off eBay for the portable set. Now all I have to do is
get them programmed. They are rated at 25W but I don't want to risk burning
them out so can they be adjusted to low power? And what is low power for the
units? 15W? Been hunting eBay for a RICK and found some that might work but
I don't have any experience with the home built one's. 

Can someone give some advice on this?

 

Thanks

Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE 

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Kometz
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 2:27 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Good source for single channel Motorola
radios for portable repeater?

 

Keep in mind that the single channel radios (like the M-10) are not that
common.

Just use any GM300 / Maxtrac / Radius model and only program one channel. 

Also, while it is nice to get the 16 pin accessory board, they cost a bit
more for the convieience.

Doing the modification to the 5 pin board involving one cheap basic signal
diode, takes only a couple of minutes.

The mod is pretty common (I think it is on the Repeater-Builders website).

I have done a couple dozen of those.

And likely its easier to find the RJ-11 plugs to make a "radio to radio"
cable than the 16 pin accessory plug.

Just something to consider.

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Good source for single channel Motorola radios for portable repeater?

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

I was talking with our coordinator about this and we have several pairs that
are not being used for the sole purpose of having them for special event
repeaters state wide for Wyoming. Crossband is one way we go but the special
event repeater pair would be nice to have for better coverage as not
everyone carries a dual-band radio for such an event. Most hams use 2M
around here and the events for the comm van are coordinated with other
ARES/RACES groups to assure that we are not going to have the same problem.

 

Thanks

Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE

 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pugh
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:09 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Good source for single channel Motorola
radios for portable repeater?

 


> Morning Crew,
>
> I need some help locating some of the Motorola single channel
> radios with the 16 pin connector on the back for use in a portable
repeater
> for our comm van to be used as a special events repeater. Been hunting
EBay
> with little to no success, does anyone have just two that they would like
t=
> o
> get rid of? I need them in the 146-173 band split if possible.
>
> Let me know by email on this.
Might I make a suggestion? Several years ago, I was approached by an 
ARES group with a comm van wanting to do the same thing. They had a 
pneumatic mast in theirs (a former tv remote truck). I suggested that 
they use multi channel radios, and program them for several unused 
pairs, and that they not use duplexers. By mounting one antenna on the 
mast, the other on the van roof, they could get enough vertical 
separation on UHF frequencies (which I also suggested they use) to field 
a repeater quite nicely. If they rolled up on a scene and found a 
repeater already on the frequency that their repeater was on, this setup 
gave them the ability to move to other pairs until they found a quite 
pair to use, just match the channel numbers on each radio to move to the 
next pair.

They agreed that this was a good idea, however, they wanted to stay on 
VHF and wanted something to talk 20-30 miles, so they nixed my idea. 
Ultimately, their ideas never flew, and they never took my suggestion, 
so they are now pretty much disbanded.

FWIW I guess. 73 Mike KA4MKG

 

[Repeater-Builder] Good source for single channel Motorola radios for portable repeater?

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Morning Crew,

I need some help locating some of the Motorola single channel
radios with the 16 pin connector on the back for use in a portable repeater
for our comm van to be used as a special events repeater. Been hunting EBay
with little to no success, does anyone have just two that they would like to
get rid of? I need them in the 146-173 band split if possible.

Let me know by email on this.

Thanks

Peter Summerhawk-N0WRE

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF antenna

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

A real simple test I had for deaf antenna: this was on 2M so I stripped a
section of coax off eh end to form a 1/4 wave antenna and connected it to
the original run of coax to make sure I could be heard with a few short
tests. Turns out it was the antenna in the end and not the coax like I
thought. Might give it a try and see if that doesn't work for you in a
pinch.
That way you know if it's the antenna or another problem.
Just throwing out ideas.

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Milan Pavlica
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:32 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF antenna

Is it possible that no one have pictures of its home made antennas?
As i wrote, i have a problem with sensitivity, think that antenna is
"deaf". Will try to compare with Celwave antenna and Rohde&Schwarz
CMS54 test-set as receiver to see differences
Please help me... TNX in advance!


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Milan Pavlica"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello!
> I made UHF coax collinear antenna, two version, one is from
> http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/wa6svt.html
> and second is from
>
http://www.para.org.ph/membersarticles/DU1ANV/VHF%20Collinear%20Antennas.htm
> in both cases i can get good SWR but i am not so sure did i made it OK
> (have a feel that it is deaf on receive)
> I am asking, if anyone played with this stuffs (i made 4elements, for
> start only with RG58), maybe with some tips and pictures, just to see
> am i doing something wrong
> THANKS IN ADVANCE!
> Not to disturb list, please use private mail.
> THANKS AGAIN!
> YU7XW
>







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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 in one piece

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Thanks for that Eric, DL all of them for handy use on my PDA!

Peter Dakota Summerhawk


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:41 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 in one piece

The Repeater-Builder Team can simplify your life!  Instead of wading
through
endless links and indexes, just go directly to the RBTIP, where the
latest
Part 97 can be downloaded in one piece:

You can also get the latest Part 15, 17, 90, and 95 by editing the above
link, in place of "97."

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:53 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link

  I had tried a Google search, but as one person pointed out, too many
web  
sites not updated.
  Now I see it is best to simply go directly to the FCC web site and
look.

  regarding club calls/licenses, you cannot even put in a change of
address

without routing it through one of the groups, as I found out.

  Wayne WA2YNE

On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:25:21 -0500, Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> To get any FCC regs go to:
>
> http://www.fcc.gov/
>
> Select on the left "Rules & Regulations".
>
> At the top select "Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations."
>
> Now you can scroll down and select ANY Part you want including Part
97,
> the Amateur RAdio rules.
>
> You will be taken to another site.
>
> I always go to the first page of a reg to see its date.  For at least
6
> months after the changes in Feb 2007 when the code was removed,
changes
> in AUX freq, etc the site had not been updated.  The ARRL site was the
> same.  Both now appear up to date.
>
> At the FCC.gov site one can do many things like apply for some
license,
> get vanity call, renew, etc.  They even take credit cards.   However,
a
> club call must be applied for on hard paper thru a VEC like ARRL or
> W5YI.
>
> 73, ron, n9ee/r






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[Repeater-Builder] Questions on running two antennas

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Morning,
I want to be able to run two antennas one for the Omni and one for the
yagi that I want pointed to the link repeater we are getting ready to
install. What’s the best way to accomplish this? Both antennas are going
to be Ham radio digi for APRS and both on the VHF band. The main radio
at my location is going to be a digi and I want the signal shot to the
digi some 50 miles away for a solid link into the machine.
 
Thanks for the help in advance!
 
Peter Dakota Summerhawk 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Ok the reason I asked is that we are thinking of putting up a repeater
for special events. Would a couple of GM or GR300 work well for this? I
know you cold not use them full duty 100% but they would work for temp
special event repeaters? I have yet to find a couple of 2CH models that
cover the ham bands. Anyone know of a source of the units?
 
Thanks
Peter Dakota Summerhawk
 
-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:46 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question
 
Hi Peter,
 
The TK-760 radios are great radios; however, I would post them on EBay
and get a few Motorola SM-50 radios. All the connections are on the back
on the Motorola and on the Kenwood, you will need to modify the radios
to get TOR (PL) out of it and know where exactly to pick it off. If you
get the Motorola radios try to get the high power radios and they will
play nice at 20wt. Not in Continuous duty mode. Now if you drill out the
4 screw holes on the bottom and mill the bottom of the radio so then you
can add a nice heat sink to it. Then they will operate in continuous
mode but no more than 20wt.
 
The first version was to mount a small fan on the bottom but ended up
using the heat sink method and found it much more reliable.
 
I have had more than 30+ full duplex links made out of these radios and
have never had a unit fail. Take your time and plan your project and it
will pay off if you do it the right way.
 
Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ)
 
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Dakota
Summerhawk
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:43 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question
 
I have a few of the TK-760’s that I have been playing with the idea of
thinking of using as a repeater, can this be done? And if so what would
it take?
 
Thanks
 
Peter Dakota Summerhawk
 
 
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[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood Repeater question

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

I have a few of the TK-760’s that I have been playing with the idea of
thinking of using as a repeater, can this be done? And if so what would
it take?
 
Thanks
 
Peter Dakota Summerhawk
 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Checking with the license two of the stations are 200 some miles away at
another little America, so we have one frequency on site so we need a
new pair to be able to be complaint. 
 
Peter Dakota Summerhawk
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:58 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related
 
In a message dated 3/13/2008 11:20:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe it is not too late to "turn down" the contract. Did you really
think you would be able to get them licensed to a VHF pair, or were they
not totally upfront about what they had and wanted. 

You can't control what the FCC allows. 

You could just make a go of it with a simplex system. 

Michael 
You are already licensed for the VHF frequencies you need. It should not
be a problem to modify the license
for repeater operation. Weather it will meet your customers expectations
remains to be seen.
 
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RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related

[Dakota Summerhawk]

The simplex system is not working hence the reason they need a repeater. I got 
the fcc form filled out to get a vhf pair in the area for them so we will see. 
The system was abandoned by the former shop as they went out of business so its 
just me now for the system to get them up and running.

-Original Message-
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To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 3/13/08 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related

Maybe it is not too late to "turn down" the contract.  Did you really think you 
would be able to get them licensed to a VHF pair, or were they not totally 
upfront about what they had and wanted.  

You can't control what the FCC allows. 

You could just make a go of it with a simplex system. 

Michael

-Original Message-
From: "Peter Dakota Summerhawk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:16:05 
To:
Subject: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related


I have seen the license for the UHF pair that they have but the hotel is
not interested in purchasing new equipment for the current system of VHF
radios was just bought last year. I got stuck with this project of
getting a repeater pair and programming the radios. If I would have
known the system was so jacked I would have turned down the contract.


Peter Dakota Summerhawk

RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

I have seen the license for the UHF pair that they have but the hotel is
not interested in purchasing new equipment for the current system of VHF
radios was just bought last year. I got stuck with this project of
getting a repeater pair and programming the radios. If I would have
known the system was so jacked I would have turned down the contract.


Peter Dakota Summerhawk


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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:56 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related

Peter,

What type HTs do they have.  One does not see HTs with mWs except for
PRS, the small cheap radios in the 462 range.  So their HTs might have
power, 2-4 W, to cover the grounds.

As you proably know the UHF would get out of holes (hotel walls, etc)
better, but guess not an option.

Covering the 50 acres is no problem, covering from inside
rooms/hallways, etc can be.

I would try for a remoted base with roof antenna.  This will not improve
HT-HT coverage, would give someone better coverage which is probably
important...if the management can talk this often determines if the
system is working.  Few listen to the people who actually do the
work...way it is.

Another solution would be a repeater, low power, 10 W.  Mot has some
very good GR300 using couple of their Radius line rigs mounted in a box.
Since commerical would require 2 freq and if 5 MHz apart could use
mobile type duplexer.  All fits in a small 10w x 10d x 12h or so
including power supply.  The HTs would probably need to be reprogrammed
and the proper license obtained.

73, ron, n9ee/r




>From: Peter Dakota Summerhawk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/03/08 Sat AM 09:18:11 CST
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related

>  
>
>Thehotel that I am contracted for has just spent $50 million for a
renovation buthas already bought new VHF radios, believe mw when I
suggested that they go toUHF they balked at the idea of having to buy
new radios as part of therenovation was the new handhelds sold to them
by a different company in townthat assured them that the new radios
would cover the 50 some odd acres ofproperty that they own. So its up to
me now to get thethings in order to get a system that works for the
least money.
>Go figure.
> 
>Peter Dakota Summerhawk
> 
>-Original Message-
>From:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G Shaw
>Sent: Saturday, March 08, 20085:55 AM
>To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder]Need some help-Commercial related
> 
>You will find as I have that the FCC will not permit aVHF highband
repeater with a non-govt lic. such as business orindustrial.  IB etc.  
>You may be able to bootleg it but you will rcv a ceaseand desist from
the FCC when they become aware of it.  The Coordinatorssuch as NABER
will just reject it.  If you need a repeater you will haveto consider a
narror band UHF application.  If you decide to stickwith  high band then
simplex would be the route to go.  
>Glenn 
>-Original Message- 
>From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
]On Behalf Of Milt 
>Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:48AM 
>To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needsome help-Commercial related 
>The simple answer to your question is the pair thatgives the most
seperation. There are many more things to take intoconsideration.  This
is where a firm that is familure with the ins andouts of commercial
licensing is invaluable.  While the 151.835 may bemodified for a FB2 and
paired with 157.695, the coordinating agency may or maynot grant
coordination.  
>  
>Another thing to consider is thatwhile you can sell this customer a
cheap older repeater, the TK-720 is not approvedfor narrowband operation
IIRC.  Even if the current license allows +/-5Khz deviation a new grant
or modification will most likely require +/- 2.5 Khzdeviation.  Since
the deadline for conversion to narrowband is 2013 (5years away) one
should give serious consideration to how upgrading will takeplace.
>  
>- Original Message - 
>From: Peter Dakota Summerhawk <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:37 AM 
>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related
>I have to put in a repeater for a hotel.I have a Kenwood
TKR-720 repeater and the frequencies I have for the currentlicense are
as follows:
>151.835 
>152.435 
>157.695 
>157.575 
>My question is, what pair is going to be good for this
repeater? I haveto get a working system up and running but need to
figu

RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Weather Radio Recall

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

I know that most don't want to listen to all pages but some of us that
are ARES RACES might. I severe weather spot for Skywarn and like to know
about all pages in the area. From weather to flooding we get updates all
the time from NWS that way.

Was just a thought for a few that might want it.

Peter Dakota Summerhawk

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:27 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Weather Radio Recall

Peter Dakota Summerhawk wrote:
> On that topic I found that a pager works just as well:
> http://www.iinc.com/ggcomm/pager.html
> Been using one for quite a while now with good results.
> Dakota Summerhawk

Only problem-those don't do the SAME code, just the generic tone. You'll

get everything that transmitter sends out, which I know in my case would

be a LOT more then I would want to hear about. Probably only 1 out of 
every 7-8 pages would be of interest.

-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL





 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Weather Radio Recall

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

On that topic I found that a pager works just as well:
http://www.iinc.com/ggcomm/pager.html
Been using one for quite a while now with good results.
Dakota Summerhawk
 
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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. K. Brumback
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:29 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Weather Radio Recall
 
Quote: "for between $30 and $150."
 
WOW!!  Consumer beware...huh
 
Randy
 
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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tgundo2003
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:30 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT- Weather Radio Recall
 
This is a bit off-topic, but I thought it would be important to get 
the word out as life safety is involved...

Tom
W9SRV

NEWS from CPSC
U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
Office of Information and Public Affairs 
Washington, DC 20207 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 29, 2007
Release #07-292 

Firm's Recall Hotline: (800) 203-4921
CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772
CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908

Weather Radios Recalled by Oregon Scientific Due to Failure to 
Receive National Weather Service Alerts

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in 
cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary 
recall of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using 
recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed. 

Name of Product: Oregon Scientific Weather Radios

Units: About 66,000

Manufacturer: Oregon Scientific Inc., of Tualatin, Ore.

Hazard: The radios could fail to receive National Weather Service 
alert signals in certain areas of the country. In the event of severe 
weather, this failure could put a consumer's life and property at 
risk.

Incidents/Injuries: None reported.

Description: This recall involves the following Weather Radios and 
Weather Stations:

NAME MODEL 
All Hazards Portable Weather Alert Radio WR103NX 
Portable Public Alert Radio WR108 
Public Alert Weather Station WRB308 
John Deere Public Alert Weather Station WRB308J 

No other models are included in this recall.

Sold at: Retail stores nationwide, including some electronics and 
sporting goods stores, online retailers and in catalogs from December 
2005 through June 2007 for between $30 and $150.

Manufactured in: China

Remedy: Consumers should not rely on the recalled weather radios to 
receive emergency information. Consumers should contact Oregon 
Scientific for instructions on returning the radio to receive a free 
replacement.

Consumer Contact: For additional information, contact Oregon 
Scientific at (800) 203-4921 between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. PT Monday 
through Friday or visit the firm's Web site at 
www2.oregonscientific.com

To see this recall on CPSC's web site, including pictures of the 
recalled products, please go to:
http://www.cpsc.
<http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07292.html>
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Fwd: FCC Enforcement Action

[Peter Dakota Summerhawk]

Thanks for the information Eric, Got the radios programmed for 2W and
the narrow band and they work great! Like to stay within the rules for
radios as I value my license.

Dakota Summerhawk

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:16 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Fwd: FCC Enforcement Action

Steve,

You are correct.  There are five simplex MURS channels:  151.820,
151.880,
151.940, 154.570, and 154.600 MHz.  The first three are narrow-band
11.25
kHz channels, while the latter two are 20 kHz channels.  All are limited
to
two watts.

My local ARES group uses 16-channel Motorola HT750 radios that were
donated
by the local police department.  We programmed the two 154 MHz MURS
channels
into all radios, along with 14 2m Amateur channels.  Since the MURS is
license-free, we use one of the 154 MHz channels for parades and other
events where non-Hams need to communicate with us.  Nice and legal...

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve S. Bosshard
(NU5D)
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:49 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Fwd: FCC Enforcement Action

I might be mistaken, but seems like MURS channels are narrow band - 12.5

Khz. Don't know about type acceptance, etc, but seems like if they are 
narrow band (and if that is indeed the case) then the 260 should work 
great - lots of folks illegally prm 151.625 and use them anyhow. 73, 
Steve NU5D






 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Fwd: FCC Enforcement Action

[Dakota Summerhawk]

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re:2m to LMR?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

I have to agree on the Kenwood comment; we use Kenwood for our security
team's downtown Cheyenne WY for our hotel and have had no problems as we
are about a block from the local dispatch center for fire, police, EMS,
and Sheriff. The intermod is hell to say the least. But no problems with
the radios either on handheld or mobiles. I have my HT programmed for
the local ham bands as well for skywarn and it works great.
 
Dakota Summerhawk
 
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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G. Beat
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:10 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re:2m to LMR?
 
Paul -
 
IF you operate near ANY intermod area  (cellular / microwave towers,
facilities, etc.) -- 
you will want an LMR certified radio rather than an amateur 2 meter
radio covering LMR -- 
especially as a volunteer K9 Search and Rescue team -- where god
communications is critical.
 
We have a local that has an Icom IC-207 -- he just learned about
intermod -- the hard way (and not where he expected it) -- now trying to
return his investment for a Kenwood or Motorola LMR radio.
 
w9gb
 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: D-Star demo

[Dakota Summerhawk]

I went to the D-star site and looked for dealers for ham radio, all I
got were commercial radio shops here in Cheyenne. Do they sell the
D-star for the commercial line as well?

Thanks

Dakota Summerhawk

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Coy Hilton
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:42 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: D-Star demo

It would seem that I left out "analog" in "none of the D-STAR 
repeaters that I know of (ICOM) have the ability to do " ANALOG " FM 
repeat. I'm not confused ..my fingers drop words at times<;-)
I was in paging for many years we did both..."ANALOG" and digital 
paging FSK NRZ...but D-STAR uses GSM, FSK and QPSK as well to send 
data, acording to the published standard that I have red.

 

[Repeater-Builder] WTB Kenwood KPT-50 Programmer

[Dakota Summerhawk]

I am looking for one if someone has one that they would be
willing to sell let me know. I have a TK-820

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Thanks

 

Dakota Summerhawk

 

















  




  
  
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Handheld antenna on a Mobile Radio?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

http://www.centurion.com/home/antenna_2way.asp

They make a good hang over antenna that I
use for SAR work with no problem.

Might try that.

Dakota Summerhawk

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:10 PM
To:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder]
Handheld antenna on a Mobile Radio?

 

I would
not expect that setup to work very well.  Most portable antennas are not
very good matches to the output stage, and the portable radios are usually
designed to handle wide SWR swings without complaining.  The antenna
impedance varies a lot as the radio is moved around the body of the user,
inside vehicles, and in various angles to a wildly varying ground plane.

 

When
such an antenna is placed right on the back of a mobile radio, it is almost
expected that the PA protection circuits will trigger on high SWR and/or
reflected power.  A rubber duck or whip antenna is not a very efficient or
effective radiator for a base station.

 

My
suggestion is to use a 1/4 wave whip on a magnetic base with 12 feet or so of
RG-58 cable, so that the antenna can be "remoted" from the operating
position and placed on top of a nearby file cabinet or refrigerator.  This
provides a ground plane for the antenna and also puts some distance between it
and the operator's head.

 

73,
Eric Lemmon WB6FLY 

 







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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 26,
 2006 6:53 PM
To:
repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder]
Handheld antenna on a Mobile Radio?



Has anyone ever used a handheld whip antenna for their mobile
radio 
used as a base?  I've seen this setup used a few places, and it worked 
great, but it was on UHF.  A simple 90 degree Mini-UHF to BNC-F, BNC-M 
on the antenna.  I tried this (on our VHF Radio) and it seems to 
either shut-down the radio or barely get any signal out.  Is there any 
secret to this or a certain antenna type that needs to be used?  ie. 
Base-loaded or Helical Whip.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Handheld antenna on a Mobile Radio?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

http://www.centurion.com/home/ant2way/dr.asp

Sorry right link to the product we use.

Dakota Summerhawk

 

-Original Message-
From:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:10 PM
To:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder]
Handheld antenna on a Mobile Radio?

 

I would
not expect that setup to work very well.  Most portable antennas are not
very good matches to the output stage, and the portable radios are usually
designed to handle wide SWR swings without complaining.  The antenna
impedance varies a lot as the radio is moved around the body of the user,
inside vehicles, and in various angles to a wildly varying ground plane.

 

When
such an antenna is placed right on the back of a mobile radio, it is almost
expected that the PA protection circuits will trigger on high SWR and/or
reflected power.  A rubber duck or whip antenna is not a very efficient or
effective radiator for a base station.

 

My
suggestion is to use a 1/4 wave whip on a magnetic base with 12 feet or so of
RG-58 cable, so that the antenna can be "remoted" from the operating
position and placed on top of a nearby file cabinet or refrigerator.  This
provides a ground plane for the antenna and also puts some distance between it
and the operator's head.

 

73,
Eric Lemmon WB6FLY 

 







From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 26,
 2006 6:53 PM
To:
repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder]
Handheld antenna on a Mobile Radio?



Has anyone ever used a handheld whip antenna for their mobile
radio 
used as a base?  I've seen this setup used a few places, and it worked 
great, but it was on UHF.  A simple 90 degree Mini-UHF to BNC-F, BNC-M 
on the antenna.  I tried this (on our VHF Radio) and it seems to 
either shut-down the radio or barely get any signal out.  Is there any 
secret to this or a certain antenna type that needs to be used?  ie. 
Base-loaded or Helical Whip.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Solar-Wind Powered Repeaters

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Found this while browsing for generators:
http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm
Might be a good idea for remote repeaters other than wind or solar.

Dakota Summerhawk





 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need help getting repeater programmed and tuned

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Sorry I should have been more specific, I
am in Cheyenne Wyoming would be willing to drive nearby (Nebraska, Colorado) for getting it back in one piece.

 

Thanks

 

Dakota Summerhawk

 

-Original Message-
From:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Morris
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006
11:13 AM
To:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]
Need help getting repeater programmed and tuned

 

Someone local would probably be preferred over someone
that 
you have to ship the stuff to, and the brownshirt brigade that 
specializes in percussive tuning and maintenance leaves a 
lot to be desired.

In that regard, you might want to state what area you are in...
Someone might stick their head up and say "I can do it, and 
I'm an hour east of you".  Or something like that.

Mike WA6ILQ
(Pasadena, California)

At 07:45 AM 2/19/06, you wrote:




Morning all,

I have a R100 repeater
and a duplexer that I need to have programmed and tuned. Can someone contact me
off list for discussion on getting it to someone to get this done?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Thanks

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[Repeater-Builder] Need help getting repeater programmed and tuned

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Morning all,

I have a R100 repeater and a duplexer that
I need to have programmed and tuned. Can someone contact me off list for
discussion on getting it to someone to get this done?

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[Repeater-Builder] Need some help with Motorola phone patch- Does Motorola R100 have board as addin?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

I have seen a few suggestions for add-in boards for the R100 does anyone
know where to get one? I would be willing to pay for one if they have
it.

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[Repeater-Builder] Need some help with Motorola phone patch

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Morning,

I have Motorola Phone Patch model # TDN7406. Can someone
tell me more about it? I am looking to use it but don’t have any idea on
how to program it or how to hook it into my R100 that I am using. Can someone
help with programming and connection?

 

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[Repeater-Builder] Need suggestions for 460 repeater antenna

[Dakota Summerhawk]

I have had several problems with my repeater as of late and
tracked down the culprit, the antenna. Can someone recommend a good 460 MHz
high gain antenna? I am open to offers as well as buying new.

 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Came across this when browsing the other day:
http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm

Looks like a good idea for generators and keeping power in the house and
car!

Just a thought.
Dakota Summerhawk

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pugh
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:18 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Generator question

Besides, if you need to start the generator because the electric is out,

where are you going to plug the lamp in to warm the generator so it will

start? Mike

Chuck Kelsey wrote:
> Guys,
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> I have a 5KW natural gas generator at my house to serve as backup
power 
> to not only the house, but it keeps a repeater and my ham shack up and

> running.
> 
> During  cold weather, it doesn't like to start (manual start, pull 
> cord). I fund that if I place a halogen work light pointed at it for 
> about 10 minutes, it warms it up enough so it will start OK.
> 
> My question is -- does anyone know of a small engine block heater out 
> there? I've done Google searches and don't really find anything 
> worthwhile. No, I don't what to use a light bulb. I want something 
> that's safe, economical to operate and UL approved.
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[Repeater-Builder] Can you change Motorola R100 from DPL to PL?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

I was curious as to if the units are hardwired in or is it some card
that you can change.

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[Repeater-Builder] Adding a phone patch to R100 repeater?

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I was curious as to how hard it would be to add a phone patch to a R100
repeater? Anyone done it? If so how did it work?
Thanks
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Repeaters?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Cant drop the 2M side of things as a lot of hams don’t have 70CM around here
and 2M will do what 70CM wont in the mountains when runs and races require
2M am looking at a few suggestions for the van right now that might work.
Couple of emails on Motorola gear, either one or two channel radios and a
controller and duplexer for the rigs that I need.
Thanks for all the help!
Dakota

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Dakota Summerhawk wrote:

> Is the best way to have a mobile repeater up and running with two 
> mobile radios and a duplexer? Looking for a way to be able to run a 
> couple of repeaters, one VHF, one UHF for a mobile communications van. 
> Can anyone recommend ways to cut down on weight and space? Thanks
> Dakota
> 

Best way to cut space-forget about the VHF unit. For UHF, get a Kenwood 
TKR-850 and a mobile duplexer. Keep the transmit power down to 20W or 
less, more then that will cause problems with other radios in the van, 
and get the antenna as far away from other antennas as possible, 
preferably on a 30' or more mast.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] O.T. Is it just me?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Its happened before and Yahoo took care of it last time.
Hope everyone has a GREAT new year!
Dakota N0WRE


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Happy New Year to the group.

Is it just me, or is someone else having the Yahoo adverts. block 
part of the message text on some messages? I think that this has 
happened before but it went away on its own.

At least that is as much as my feeble mind lets me remember.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Repeaters?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

So from what I gather from all that replied, and I thank you from the bottom
of my heart BTW for the multitude of information. So a Maxtrac one VHF and
UHF will do the trick? I was looking at some of the setups on eBay that have
two mobile radios (mostly Motorola) with a duplexer hooking the two radios
together. Does there not have to be some sort of controller for it to work
as well? Has anyone used this sort of setup and had it work the way it
should? I have done some research and gotten lost in the shuffle of info on
the net hence why I joined this list to get a better understanding of what
it takes for repeaters to work but to also have the space I need to be able
to have the van used as a command post as well.
Thanks for all the help and keep the emails coming!
Dakota

-Original Message-
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To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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I have seen the VHF Low Banders in use ( 47 Mhz. )  for Red Cross Comm. I 
seen several units in service, so far I have not heard any complaints, and 
in the Radio Room for the Amateur Club during a Emergency Exercise the 
Midland was on NEF 47.420 Mhz. and there was dispatch calls coming in on 45 
Mhz. for Transportation and just the usual desensing occourring.

a Maxtrac is a very good investment.

M. H.

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>
> OK Dick on that note I have to ask a few questions:
> 1. How hard is it to build a Maxtrac into a repeater?
> 2. Are Maxtrac rock bound? Was hoping for something for synthesized 
> for
> easy
> programming
> 3. How is the duty cycle for the unit? From what I have seen they are 
> sturdy
> rigs and can stand up to a LOT of use.
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> Can anyone answer these questions? Dick?
> Thanks for the information
> Dakota
>
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> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:36 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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> Get a couple of Motorola Maxtracs, an NHRC-2 Controller and you are 
> set. EXCEPT, if it's for Public Safety purposes (Fire, Police) then do 
> not scrimp, especially if lives may depend on this stuff.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
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> mobile radios and a duplexer? Looking for a way to be able to run a 
> couple of repeaters, one VHF, one UHF for a mobile communications van. 
> Can anyone recommend ways to cut down on weight and space? Thanks 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Repeaters?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Portables are great but I need the 35W (UHF) and the 50W (VHF) out to assure
that the coverage is adequate.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Dakota

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Use portables...

Joe M.

Dakota Summerhawk wrote:
> 
> Is the best way to have a mobile repeater up and running with two 
> mobile radios and a duplexer? Looking for a way to be able to run a 
> couple of repeaters, one VHF, one UHF for a mobile communications van. 
> Can anyone recommend ways to cut down on weight and space? Thanks
> Dakota
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Repeaters?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

OK Dick on that note I have to ask a few questions:
1. How hard is it to build a Maxtrac into a repeater?
2. Are Maxtrac rock bound? Was hoping for something for synthesized for easy
programming
3. How is the duty cycle for the unit? From what I have seen they are sturdy
rigs and can stand up to a LOT of use.

Can anyone answer these questions? Dick?
Thanks for the information
Dakota

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Get a couple of Motorola Maxtracs, an NHRC-2 Controller and you are set.
EXCEPT, if it's for Public Safety purposes (Fire, Police) then do not
scrimp, especially if lives may depend on this stuff.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

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To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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Is the best way to have a mobile repeater up and running with two mobile
radios and a duplexer? Looking for a way to be able to run a couple of
repeaters, one VHF, one UHF for a mobile communications van. Can anyone
recommend ways to cut down on weight and space? Thanks Dakota

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Repeaters?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

I must clarify that these are to be used as HAM radio special event
repeaters for a comm van. Full duty use when in service but not used all the
time, hence the reason that I need to be able to have some space in the van
as it is also going to be command post as well. I need to be able to have
some place to put them out of the way.
Hope that helps.
Dakota

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Get a couple of Motorola Maxtracs, an NHRC-2 Controller and you are set.
EXCEPT, if it's for Public Safety purposes (Fire, Police) then do not
scrimp, especially if lives may depend on this stuff.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

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Is the best way to have a mobile repeater up and running with two mobile
radios and a duplexer? Looking for a way to be able to run a couple of
repeaters, one VHF, one UHF for a mobile communications van. Can anyone
recommend ways to cut down on weight and space? Thanks Dakota

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[Repeater-Builder] Mobile Repeaters?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Is the best way to have a mobile repeater up and running with two mobile
radios and a duplexer? Looking for a way to be able to run a couple of
repeaters, one VHF, one UHF for a mobile communications van. Can anyone
recommend ways to cut down on weight and space?
Thanks
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[Repeater-Builder] Some help

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Looking for information on portable repeaters for use in SAR groups.
Must be packable for use on hilltop operations. Can this be done and
still keep the weight down and run off 12VDC? Even just a couple of HT
at 5W out and a duplexer or the like would work. 
Suggestions?

Thanks
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[Repeater-Builder] Does the R100 need duplexer if using two anetnnas?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

I have a UHF R100 and need to know if I need a duplexer if I am going to
be using two antennas. Can someone help?
Thanks
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[Repeater-Builder] Using a beam and a onmi to TX at the same time?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

I want to be able to run a beam to one location but still run the omni
for all round coverage, what kind of equipment do I need? Going to be
using the repeater for warehouse coverage but need the beam to get the
signal to the house some distance away. So both antennas are TX at the
same time. Does or is there anything out there on the market that does
this?
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] duplicate posts

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Nope its not you I have been getting them from all my groups. Even the
ones that I own and run.
Dakota

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[Repeater-Builder] R100 software location?

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Where is the best place to get the software for the R100 repeater from?
Looking but cant find it anywhere.
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[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood repeater, mobile?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

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Was curious as to 
what kind of Kenwood repeater can be used for mobile communications? and what 
kind of specs there are for them. Needing amp draw and the like for setting up a 
special event repeater. wouldl like to have both VHF and UHF repeaters in the 
van for events that need one or both. Can someone helpe me 
out?
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Getting frequencies for UHF repeater either commercial or ham?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

I live in Wyoming so the FRS is not going to work as I cant cover the
distance I need with it as the power requirement is not enough. Putting
up a repeater for only two user is not uncommon up here. We have several
that only run a few users at most population being what it is.
Renting from another I have already checked into the coverage for the
locations that I am wanting is not possible due to the nature of the
locations are so far apart that only one repeater over half the area and
the other repeater the other half. Would be nice to have one that would
cover the whole area. It would be two users at first but would grow in
time to include more.

Dakota

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either commercial or ham?


Given your situation and only two users on the system, you may want to
consider something in the family radio services or other none licensed
radio
services, I think they are called something like FMRS and GMRS.   You
will
never get a commercial license for a repeater with only 2 users;
remember commercial 2-way is for business use only, not ham type of
chit-chat. Unless your in an extremely remote location commercial 2-way
licenses are almost assured to be sharing a commercial freq pair with
other users, exclusive use of a freq. went away 20 years ago unless your
a governmental or life safety agency.  

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Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:51 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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either commercial or ham?


OK, I do have a ham license and the repeater is going to be for just two
users me and my wife who doesn't have a license for ham right now.
Thinking about Commercial service and the upkeep would be done by me so
its not really going be making any money per se. Dakota -Original
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either commercial or ham? Well having an understanding of repeaters is
one thing. Being licensed 
within a service that allows you to put up a repeater is something else.
Unless you are a ham radio operator putting up your own repeater (and
you have the funds to support this) or a club repeater which the club
will support you may want to think about the business end of this. 
Supply and Demand. What is in your area and Who's going to use it? How
much will it cost to provide the service ? 
How much income will it provide ?
(can it pay for it's self ? and your efforts?.)
and then just the rest of the usual business questions how to build the
business and keep it operating. hope this helps .bob
   

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Getting frequencies for UHF repeater either commercial or ham?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

OK, I do have a ham license and the repeater is going to be for just two
users me and my wife who doesn't have a license for ham right now.
Thinking about Commercial service and the upkeep would be done by me so
its not really going be making any money per se.
Dakota

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Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:23 PM
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either commercial or ham?



Well having an understanding of repeaters is one thing. Being licensed 
within a service that allows you to put up a repeater is something else.
Unless you are a ham radio operator putting up your own repeater (and
you have the funds to support this) or a club repeater which the club
will support you may want to think about the business end of this. 

Supply and Demand. What is in your area and Who's going to use it? How
much will it cost to provide the service ? 
How much income will it provide ?
(can it pay for it's self ? and your efforts?.)
and then just the rest of the usual business questions how to build the
business and keep it operating.

hope this helps .bob
   


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[Repeater-Builder] Getting frequencies for UHF repeater either commercial or ham?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

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Ok so now that I 
have some understanding my belt for getting a repeater, what do I need wto 
do for getting either a commercial frequency or ham radio allocation for the 
unit? can I go to the FCC web site and request a pair? 
Thanks
Dakota


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Building a repeater from a few mobiles?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

Looking at Kenwood Commercial radios or Motorola Commercial radios I
have both and was thinking that the duty cycle is not that much as it
would be a special event repeater anyways. But I need more information
on the subject to get one up and running. 
Thanks
Dakota

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From: Ralph Mowery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 7:23 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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--- Dakota Summerhawk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am looking for some information to be able to
> build a repeater from
> two mobiles that I have. Is it posssible to use a
> duplexer and the 
> mobiles? I have seen a few on ebay and was not sure
> that what I see 
> is all I need. I would like to have the ability to
> have them as a 
> 

What kind of mobiles ?  Are they the ham type or some
of the comercial types ?  The ham type are not usually
very well shielded and you will have to install them
in somekind of shielded box.  If it is something like
a GE Mastr ll then you could use just one mobile as
all the reciever and transmitter circuits are seperate
and shielded from each other.





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[Repeater-Builder] Building a repeater from a few mobiles?

[Dakota Summerhawk]

I am looking for some information to be able to build a repeater from 
two mobiles that I have. Is it posssible to use a duplexer and the 
mobiles? I have seen a few on ebay and was not sure that what I see 
is all I need. I would like to have the ability to have them as a 
special event repeater or even go mobile if I need to. Can someone on 
the list help me out?

Thanks
Dakota






 
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