[Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies
Sometimes even hiring a licensed contractor is a bust. We moved in to a
new place out in the country a few years back and I decided to have a licensed
electrical contractor install an outside 110V socket for keep the RV batteries
charged,
etc. At the same time I had him pre-wire a GFI/220 circuit for the new hot tub
I ordered.
To make a long ugly story short -- instead of a 110 RV outlet I got 220 --
which
really lit things up in the coach the first time I plugged that in. Chargers,
inverters,
sat receiver, DV Player, all kinds of stuff I'm still finding.
I don't ever get into the hot tub without remembering the RV outlet disaster --
but so far nobody's been fried.
Trust but verify...
--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Bruce Bagwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Bruce Bagwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:08 PM
I figured that was A local code,
not NEC. The only reason I can think of for that requirement is the
ampacity of the 12 or 14 ga wires. While we all know, in actual use, 2 or
more outlets strung along will not all have 15 amp or higher loads in EACH
outlet. However, theoretically, each outlet could have A 20 amp load
plugged into it.That is probably why some pencil pusher decided each outlet
needs its own wire. (Never mind the fact the breaker would trip regardless
of what is plugged into each outlet or the number of wires leading to said
outlets, but that's another crazy thread) As for the Breaker Box, I would
assume
each also has its own breaker. Trying to stuff more than one wire into A
breaker
would more fun than I care to have.
Bruce
KE5TPN
Dave,
This is a code requirement here in my county and think all of
Florida.
The code requirements for building is a county/state issue and
vary. Most use the NEC code. Many have additional codes such as having wind
resistance building. The way homes are constructed in the north would not be
allowed in Florida mainly due to the wind. This is why we see so much concrete
block construction with lots of requirements for attaching to foundation and
roof securing. Just different part of the US.
Same with electric code.
For various reasons some additional changes are often made. Just because you
have a code in your area does not mean it is in all of US. It is county mostly
with some state codes. In my county there were NO building codes until the 70s.
Can you believe this.
73, ron, n9ee/r
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] com
Date:
2008/07/06 Sun AM 11:43:50 EDT
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
Subject:
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due
toElectrocution
and Fire Hazards
Where is the requirement for running a
separate feed to EACH OUTLET
REQUIRED? Not in the US A dedicated
out is required for certain
special situations but not for each outlet
elsewhere. There are certain
other requirements such as GFCI and AFCI.
But, certainly no dedicated
feeder for each out.
Ron
Wright wrote:
Gary,
I've noticed in panels
the safety ground and neutral go to a different buss bar. I had thought maybe
because the neutral was sometimes, not now to code, smaller than the neutral.
However, both got connected to the panel case. One can Ohm out neutral to
safety
and only see the resistance in the wiring to/from the panel. However, as you
well know, should not be considered the same.
In most
plastic coated wireing I see today the safety wire is green coated, but some is
still bare as you said. I've seen lots of this.
Now in
our county following NEC code the safety wire has to be same size as neutral .
No more of the 14-2 w/G cable, but 14-3 one being safety ground color or bare.
Also they are doing something different, a separate set of wires must be ran
between panel and each outlet...no more of one wire to one outlet and then from
here to another outlet, etc. Can you imagine the extra cost and labor. Not sure
what they do at the breaker panel...put in separate breaker for each outlet.
Not
sure if this NEC code or something to do with the hurricane code we have here
in
Florida. We do lots of construction very different here,
hi.
73, ron,
n9ee/r
From: Gary Glaenzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] net
Date: 2008/07/06 Sun AM 10:19:49 EDT
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due
toElectrocution and Fire Hazards
I don't know
what part of the US you live in, but around here (western IL)
the grounding conductor ('safety ground') is bare in Romex-type cable,
and
may or may not be insulated in conduit, and usually one size
smaller than
the 'main'
conductors.
Also, the GC goes to one bus-bar,
the neutral to another, the GC bus-bar is
bonded ot the neutral
at the SERVICE panel (incoming power, the one with the
'Main'
braker
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electr ocution and Fire Hazards
Yep fix it. Simple thing to do after you turn off the breaker feeding it. No way would I want any outlet with reversed wiring. Will eventually bight you and could be deadly bight. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Jack Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/07/04 Fri PM 07:00:02 EDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards Why don't you fix it? Just curious. We ran into a similar situation in a home we moved into three years ago. Happy 4th! --- On Fri, 7/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 3:52 PM At 7/4/2008 15:21, you wrote: OT (sorta).. .there is the possibility that the unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens often when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle. Just a heads-up on the assumption that a professionally wired home is safe. When I bought the house I'm living in now, one of the selling points was that the old knob-and-tube wiring had been replaced with new Romax and a new 125 amp breaker panel (by a professional electrician) . All of the outlets were the 3-wire type so I ASS-UMED that all was well and good. The house even passed a buyer's inspection as part of the sale. Well, things were not all as they appeared. After getting The inspector I used checked every outlet in the house, found one in the garage that had line neutral reversed. It is tagged as such, is now only used with fully insulated loads such as Christmas lights. Bob NO6B Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards
I have one so we will see what they do when I bring it back in. It hasn't burst into flames yet. From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Thompson Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:48 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Office of Information and Public Affairs Washington, DC 20207 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 2, 2008 Release #08-319 Firm's Recall Hotline: (800) 843-7422 CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772 CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908 RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed. Name of Product: 13.8V DC Power Supplies Units: About 160,000 Importer: RadioShack Corp., of Fort Worth, Texas Hazard: The recalled power supplies are wired incorrectly, posing electrocution and fire hazards. Incidents/Injuries: None reported. Description: The recall involves RadioShack 13.8V DC Power Supplies, catalog numbers 22-507 and 22-508 with date codes from 08A04 through 01A08. Date code format is MMAYY where MM is the month and YY is the year. The catalog number and date code are located on the back of the power supply. Power Supplies with a green dot on the product and the product's packaging have already been repaired and are not included in the recall. Sold at: RadioShack stores nationwide from October 2004 through January 2008 for between $50 and $85. Manufactured in: China Remedy: Consumers should unplug the recalled power supply immediately and take it to any RadioShack store for a free repair. Registered owners of the recalled power supplies will be mailed a notice. Consumer Contact: For additional information, contact RadioShack at 800-843-7422 anytime, or visit the firm's website at: http://www.radioshack.com/recall To see this recall on CPSC's web site, including pictures of the recalled products, please go to: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtm108/08319.html
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards
The primary danger is electrocution, most likely caused by exchanging the neutral and ground leads inside the case. Although the power supply will operate just fine when wired this way, there is the possibility that the unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens often when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle. If the receptacle ground connection is poor or does not exist, the power supply enclosure can be energized at 120 VAC and pose a severe shock hazard. Simple outlet testers normally will not detect such wiring errors, leading to false confidence. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mung Bungholio Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:49 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards I have one so we will see what they do when I bring it back in. It hasn't burst into flames yet. From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Thompson Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:48 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Office of Information and Public Affairs Washington, DC 20207 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 2, 2008 Release #08-319 Firm's Recall Hotline: (800) 843-7422 CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772 CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908 RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed. Name of Product: 13.8V DC Power Supplies Units: About 160,000 Importer: RadioShack Corp., of Fort Worth, Texas Hazard: The recalled power supplies are wired incorrectly, posing electrocution and fire hazards. Incidents/Injuries: None reported. Description: The recall involves RadioShack 13.8V DC Power Supplies, catalog numbers 22-507 and 22-508 with date codes from 08A04 through 01A08. Date code format is MMAYY where MM is the month and YY is the year. The catalog number and date code are located on the back of the power supply. Power Supplies with a green dot on the product and the product's packaging have already been repaired and are not included in the recall. Sold at: RadioShack stores nationwide from October 2004 through January 2008 for between $50 and $85. Manufactured in: China Remedy: Consumers should unplug the recalled power supply immediately and take it to any RadioShack store for a free repair. Registered owners of the recalled power supplies will be mailed a notice. Consumer Contact: For additional information, contact RadioShack at 800-843-7422 anytime, or visit the firm's website at: http://www.radioshack.com/recall http://www.radioshack.com/recall To see this recall on CPSC's web site, including pictures of the recalled products, please go to: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtm108/08319.html http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtm108/08319.html
[Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards
Why don't you fix it? Just curious. We ran into a similar situation in a home we moved into three years ago. Happy 4th! --- On Fri, 7/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 3:52 PM At 7/4/2008 15:21, you wrote: OT (sorta).. .there is the possibility that the unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens often when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle. Just a heads-up on the assumption that a professionally wired home is safe. When I bought the house I'm living in now, one of the selling points was that the old knob-and-tube wiring had been replaced with new Romax and a new 125 amp breaker panel (by a professional electrician) . All of the outlets were the 3-wire type so I ASS-UMED that all was well and good. The house even passed a buyer's inspection as part of the sale. Well, things were not all as they appeared. After getting The inspector I used checked every outlet in the house, found one in the garage that had line neutral reversed. It is tagged as such, is now only used with fully insulated loads such as Christmas lights. Bob NO6B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards
Can you imagine this happening in a residential / commercial bathroom where the GFI is compromised? I'd relate that to old sparky in one of the state's pens, (say in Florida) where the lethal death penality still exists. My Dad was an electrician and an electrical inspector for a city in Wisconsin. I still remember to this day when he would be out inspecting jobs, me along with him, and get really MAD when he saw something like you have just described. I'll never forget the day when he called up an electrical contractor and told him if he didn't fix the problem within 24 hours, he would yank his license and refer him to the police department for endangering the public's welfare. He was not a liked inspector, but was trusted within the electrical community. And he slept very well at night. Don, KD9PT - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:55 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards The primary danger is electrocution, most likely caused by exchanging the neutral and ground leads inside the case. Although the power supply will operate just fine when wired this way, there is the possibility that the unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens often when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle. If the receptacle ground connection is poor or does not exist, the power supply enclosure can be energized at 120 VAC and pose a severe shock hazard. Simple outlet testers normally will not detect such wiring errors, leading to false confidence. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mung Bungholio Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:49 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards I have one so we will see what they do when I bring it back in. It hasn't burst into flames yet. From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Thompson Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:48 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Office of Information and Public Affairs Washington, DC 20207 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 2, 2008 Release #08-319 Firm's Recall Hotline: (800) 843-7422 CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772 CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908 RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed. Name of Product: 13.8V DC Power Supplies Units: About 160,000 Importer: RadioShack Corp., of Fort Worth, Texas Hazard: The recalled power supplies are wired incorrectly, posing electrocution and fire hazards. Incidents/Injuries: None reported. Description: The recall involves RadioShack 13.8V DC Power Supplies, catalog numbers 22-507 and 22-508 with date codes from 08A04 through 01A08. Date code format is MMAYY where MM is the month and YY is the year. The catalog number and date code are located on the back of the power supply. Power Supplies with a green dot on the product and the product's packaging have already been repaired and are not included in the recall. Sold at: RadioShack stores nationwide from October 2004 through January 2008 for between $50 and $85. Manufactured in: China Remedy: Consumers should unplug the recalled power supply immediately and take it to any RadioShack store for a free repair. Registered owners of the recalled power supplies will be mailed a notice. Consumer Contact: For additional information, contact RadioShack at 800-843-7422 anytime, or visit the firm's website at: http://www.radioshack.com/recall http://www.radioshack.com/recall To see this recall on CPSC's web site, including pictures of the recalled products, please go to: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtm108/08319.html http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtm108/08319.html Yahoo! Groups Links !DSPAM:1016,486e5618748231450673570!
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards
Don, Your dad is a man I can relate to and admire! I am an ICBO/IAEI Certified Electrical Inspector, although that has nothing whatsoever to do with my employment in the aerospace business. Nevertheless, I see inadequate and sometimes dangerous electrical installations almost on a daily basis My next-door neighbor once called me over to check some wiring he added to his garage for some power tools. He had run some 18/2 SPT, commonly called zip cord, from a light socket above his washing machine over to a receptacle box he added for a drill press. He said that the drill press stalled easily, and he often smelled a burning odor. Duh! Not only was the zip cord extension a violation of several articles of the National Electrical Code, but it was undersized for the load and there was no grounding conductor! He was absolutely clueless about safe and legal electrical wiring. At my urging, he hired a competent electrician to install a new and dedicated branch circuit for his workbench. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kupferschmidt Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 5:47 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards Can you imagine this happening in a residential / commercial bathroom where the GFI is compromised? I'd relate that to old sparky in one of the state's pens, (say in Florida) where the lethal death penality still exists. My Dad was an electrician and an electrical inspector for a city in Wisconsin. I still remember to this day when he would be out inspecting jobs, me along with him, and get really MAD when he saw something like you have just described. I'll never forget the day when he called up an electrical contractor and told him if he didn't fix the problem within 24 hours, he would yank his license and refer him to the police department for endangering the public's welfare. He was not a liked inspector, but was trusted within the electrical community. And he slept very well at night. Don, KD9PT - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:wb6fly%40verizon.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:55 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards The primary danger is electrocution, most likely caused by exchanging the neutral and ground leads inside the case. Although the power supply will operate just fine when wired this way, there is the possibility that the unit may be plugged into an improperly-wired receptacle- which happens often when do-it-yourselfers change out a receptacle. If the receptacle ground connection is poor or does not exist, the power supply enclosure can be energized at 120 VAC and pose a severe shock hazard. Simple outlet testers normally will not detect such wiring errors, leading to false confidence. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mung Bungholio Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:49 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards I have one so we will see what they do when I bring it back in. It hasn't burst into flames yet. From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mark Thompson Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:48 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:Repeater%40yahoogroups.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:Repeaters%40yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:nfarl%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Office of Information and Public Affairs Washington, DC 20207 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 2, 2008 Release #08-319 Firm's Recall Hotline: (800) 843-7422 CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772 CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908 RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed. Name of Product: 13.8V DC Power Supplies Units: About 160,000 Importer
[Repeater-Builder] RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards
U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission Office of Information and Public Affairs Washington, DC 20207 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 2, 2008 Release #08-319 Firm's Recall Hotline: (800) 843-7422 CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772 CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908 RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due to Electrocution and Fire Hazards WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed. Name of Product: 13.8V DC Power Supplies Units: About 160,000 Importer: RadioShack Corp., of Fort Worth, Texas Hazard: The recalled power supplies are wired incorrectly, posing electrocution and fire hazards. Incidents/Injuries: None reported. Description: The recall involves RadioShack 13.8V DC Power Supplies, catalog numbers 22-507 and 22-508 with date codes from 08A04 through 01A08. Date code format is MMAYY where MM is the month and YY is the year. The catalog number and date code are located on the back of the power supply. Power Supplies with a green dot on the product and the product's packaging have already been repaired and are not included in the recall. Sold at: RadioShack stores nationwide from October 2004 through January 2008 for between $50 and $85. Manufactured in: China Remedy: Consumers should unplug the recalled power supply immediately and take it to any RadioShack store for a free repair. Registered owners of the recalled power supplies will be mailed a notice. Consumer Contact: For additional information, contact RadioShack at 800-843-7422 anytime, or visit the firm's website at: http://www.radioshack.com/recall To see this recall on CPSC's web site, including pictures of the recalled products, please go to: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtm108/08319.html
