Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
You mean ANEnglish class! On 03/06/2010 22:21:52, Robert Boles (bobe...@yahoo.com) wrote: > so when did this group become a English Class ? > --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Doug Hutchison wrote: > > From: Doug Hutchison > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 2:45 PM > > Vert funnyyou should now...Google it in future "there" is the > correct word in the way you were using it and ignorance is no excuse > sorry...same as the idiots who use > 73's --- it is 73 CW check it out and > get it correct!! English is > > 03/06/2010 21:29:15, dgrapach (dgrap...@gmail.com [link: us.mc802.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dgrap...@gmail.com]) wrote: > > Yea I know I didn't > do to good in English class, I > didn't know which > their > > to put their... and I still > > don't know.. > > > > > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [link: us.mc802.mail.yahoo. > com/mc/compose?to=repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com], Doug Hutchison > wrote: > > > > > > Their??? English therethey're > > ...get the right one! > > > > > > What happened to English I wonder??? > > > > > > > > > > > > 8On 03/06/201
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
so when did this group become a English Class ? --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Doug Hutchison wrote: From: Doug Hutchison Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 2:45 PM Vert funnyyou should now...Google it in future "there" is the correct word in the way you were using it and ignorance is no excuse sorry...same as the idiots who use 73's --- it is 73 CW check it out and get it correct!! English is 03/06/2010 21:29:15, dgrapach (dgrap...@gmail.com) wrote: > Yea I know I didn't do to good in English class, I didn't know which their > to put their... and I still > don't know.. > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Hutchison wrote: > > > > Their??? English therethey're > ...get the right one! > > > > What happened to English I wonder??? > > > > > > > > 8On 03/06/2010 20:47:07, dgrapach (dgrap...@...) wrote: > > > I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another one at > the > > > other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS OF > > > > > > WEATHER ON IT. To many red flags. After a reveiew of the messages and > I > > > would like to use it, I think I am going to pass this one up. > > > > > > After all safety is number one. > > > > > > Thanks to all for the good advice on this subject, this is the BEST > > forum > > > to gain knowledge on repeater information, their is no other like it. > > > > > > > Thanks to all > > > > > > Denny > > > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Kelsey" > > wrote: >%2
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
The end? With a spelling error? Perhaps grammatical reprimands could be added to the group as well? Kb0wlf > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- > buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Hutchison > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:47 PM > To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > End of as far as I am concerned > > > On 03/06/2010 21:45:20, Doug Hutchison (specialq@ntlworld.com) > wrote: > > Vert funnyyou should now...Google it in future "there" is the > > correct word in the way you were using it and ignorance is no excuse > > sorry...same as the idiots who use > > 73's --- it is 73 CW check it out and > > get it correct!! English is > > > > > > 03/06/2010 21:29:15, dgrapach (dgrap...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > Yea I know I didn't > > do to good in English class, I > > didn't know which > > their > > > to put their... and I still > > > don't know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Hutchison > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Their??? English therethey're > > > ...get the right one! > > > > > > > > What happened to English I wonder??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8On 03/06/2010 20:47:07, dgrapach (dgrap...@...) wrote: > > > > > I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another > one at > > > the > > > > > other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS > OF > > > > > > > > > > WEATHER ON IT. To many red flags. After a reveiew of the > messages > > and > > > I > > > > > would like to use it, I think I am going to pass this one up. > %0 > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2915 - Release Date: > 06/03/10 06:25:00
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
I am a diesel mechanic by trade, the engines I work on don't care which their I usethey run just the same. Game over --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Hutchison wrote: > > End of as far as I am concerned > > > On 03/06/2010 21:45:20, Doug Hutchison (specialq@...) wrote: > > Vert funnyyou should now...Google it in future "there" is the > > correct word in the way you were using it and ignorance is no excuse > > sorry...same as the idiots who use > > 73's --- it is 73 CW check it out and > > get it correct!! English is > > > > > > 03/06/2010 21:29:15, dgrapach (dgrap...@...) wrote: > > > Yea I know I didn't > > do to good in English class, I > > didn't know which > > their > > > to put their... and I still > > > don't know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Hutchison > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Their??? English therethey're > > > ...get the right one! > > > > > > > > What happened to English I wonder??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8On 03/06/2010 20:47:07, dgrapach (dgrapach@) wrote: > > > > > I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another one at > > > the > > > > > other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS OF > > > > > > > > > > WEATHER ON IT. To many red flags. After a reveiew of the messages > > and > > > I > > > > > would like to use it, I think I am going to pass this one up. %0 >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
Ding ding!! On 03/06/2010 21:47:15, nj902 (wb0...@arrl.net) wrote: > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Hutchison > wrote: > > > > Their??? English there > they're ...get the right one! > > > -- > > Just remember: > > The Smiths are going to Chicago on vacation. > > They're > going to drive there in their car. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Hutchison wrote: > > Their??? English therethey're ...get the right one! -- Just remember: The Smiths are going to Chicago on vacation. They're going to drive there in their car.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
End of as far as I am concerned On 03/06/2010 21:45:20, Doug Hutchison (specialq@ntlworld.com) wrote: > Vert funnyyou should now...Google it in future "there" is the > correct word in the way you were using it and ignorance is no excuse > sorry...same as the idiots who use > 73's --- it is 73 CW check it out and > get it correct!! English is > > > 03/06/2010 21:29:15, dgrapach (dgrap...@gmail.com) wrote: > > Yea I know I didn't > do to good in English class, I > didn't know which > their > > to put their... and I still > > don't know.. > > > > > > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Hutchison > wrote: > > > > > > Their??? English therethey're > > ...get the right one! > > > > > > What happened to English I wonder??? > > > > > > > > > > > > 8On 03/06/2010 20:47:07, dgrapach (dgrap...@...) wrote: > > > > I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another one at > > the > > > > other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS OF > > > > > > > > WEATHER ON IT. To many red flags. After a reveiew of the messages > and > > I > > > > would like to use it, I think I am going to pass this one up. %0
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
Vert funnyyou should now...Google it in future "there" is the correct word in the way you were using it and ignorance is no excuse sorry...same as the idiots who use 73's --- it is 73 CW check it out and get it correct!! English is 03/06/2010 21:29:15, dgrapach (dgrap...@gmail.com) wrote: > Yea I know I didn't do to good in English class, I didn't know which their > to put their... and I still > don't know.. > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Hutchison wrote: > > > > Their??? English therethey're > ...get the right one! > > > > What happened to English I wonder??? > > > > > > > > 8On 03/06/2010 20:47:07, dgrapach (dgrap...@...) wrote: > > > I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another one at > the > > > other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS OF > > > > > > WEATHER ON IT. To many red flags. After a reveiew of the messages and > I > > > would like to use it, I think I am going to pass this one up. > > > > > > After all safety is number one. > > > > > > Thanks to all for the good advice on this subject, this is the BEST > > forum > > > to gain knowledge on repeater information, their is no other like it. > > > > > > > Thanks to all > > > > > > Denny > > > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Kelsey" > > wrote: >%2
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
Vert funnyyou should now...Google it in future "there" is the correct word in the way you were using it and ignorance is no excuse sorry...same as the idiots who use 73's --- it is 73 CW check it out and get it correct!! English is 03/06/2010 21:29:15, dgrapach (dgrap...@gmail.com) wrote: > Yea I know I didn't do to good in English class, I didn't know which their > to put their... and I still > don't know.. > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Hutchison wrote: > > > > Their??? English therethey're > ...get the right one! > > > > What happened to English I wonder??? > > > > > > > > 8On 03/06/2010 20:47:07, dgrapach (dgrap...@...) wrote: > > > I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another one at > the > > > other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS OF > > > > > > WEATHER ON IT. To many red flags. After a reveiew of the messages and > I > > > would like to use it, I think I am going to pass this one up. > > > > > > After all safety is number one. > > > > > > Thanks to all for the good advice on this subject, this is the BEST > > forum > > > to gain knowledge on repeater information, their is no other like it. > > > > > > > Thanks to all > > > > > > Denny > > > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Kelsey" > > wrote: >%2
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
Yea I know I didn't do to good in English class, I didn't know which their to put their... and I still don't know.. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Hutchison wrote: > > Their??? English therethey're ...get the right one! > > What happened to English I wonder??? > > > > 8On 03/06/2010 20:47:07, dgrapach (dgrap...@...) wrote: > > I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another one at the > > other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS OF > > > > WEATHER ON IT. To many red flags. After a reveiew of the messages and I > > would like to use it, I think I am going to pass this one up. > > > > After all safety is number one. > > > > Thanks to all for the good advice on this subject, this is the BEST > forum > > to gain knowledge on repeater information, their is no other like it. > > > > Thanks to all > > > > Denny > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Kelsey" > wrote: > > > > > > I just noticed a RED FLAG item in one of the pictures. Whomever > > constructed > > > the tower installed the cross braces upside down - the drain holes are > > at > > > the top. 40 years of rain getting into those will not be good. > > > > > > Chuck > > > WB2EDV > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "NORM KNAPP" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:11 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > > > > > > > Not worth your time, let alone your life. Bolt >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
I know, you know butwhy I sent msg Chow for now.. D On 03/06/2010 21:07:19, Chuck Kelsey (wb2...@roadrunner.com) wrote: > You are both wrong. It is "there." > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Doug Hutchison" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > Their??? English therethey're ...get the right one! > > > > What happened to English I wonder??? > > > > > > > > 8On 03/06/2010 20:47:07, dgrapach (dgrap...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another one at the > > > other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
ACME DYNIMITE FOR SALE!! or is that DYNAMITE lol D On 03/06/2010 20:50:39, Chuck Kelsey (wb2...@roadrunner.com) wrote: > Now someone needs to do the next guy a favor and drop the thing to the > ground before someone gets hurt. > > Chuck > WB2EDV > > > > - Original Message - > From: "dgrapach" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:47 PM > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > >I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another one at the > >other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS OF > > > > WEATHER ON IT. To many red flags. After a reveiew of the messages and I > > > would like to use it, I think I am going to pass this one up. > > > > After all safety is number one. > > > > Thanks to all for the good advice on this subject, this is the BEST > forum > > to gain knowledge on repeater information, their is no other like > it. > > > > Thanks to all > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
You are both wrong. It is "there." - Original Message - From: "Doug Hutchison" To: Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > Their??? English therethey're ...get the right one! > > What happened to English I wonder??? > > > > 8On 03/06/2010 20:47:07, dgrapach (dgrap...@gmail.com) wrote: > > I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another one at the > > other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS OF > > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
Their??? English therethey're ...get the right one! What happened to English I wonder??? 8On 03/06/2010 20:47:07, dgrapach (dgrap...@gmail.com) wrote: > I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another one at the > other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS OF > > WEATHER ON IT. To many red flags. After a reveiew of the messages and I > would like to use it, I think I am going to pass this one up. > > After all safety is number one. > > Thanks to all for the good advice on this subject, this is the BEST forum > to gain knowledge on repeater information, their is no other like it. > > Thanks to all > > Denny > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Kelsey" wrote: > > > > I just noticed a RED FLAG item in one of the pictures. Whomever > constructed > > the tower installed the cross braces upside down - the drain holes are > at > > the top. 40 years of rain getting into those will not be good. > > > > Chuck > > WB2EDV > > > > > > > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "NORM KNAPP" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > > > > Not worth your time, let alone your life. Bolt
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
Now someone needs to do the next guy a favor and drop the thing to the ground before someone gets hurt. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: "dgrapach" To: Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower >I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another one at the >other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS OF > > WEATHER ON IT. To many red flags. After a reveiew of the messages and I > would like to use it, I think I am going to pass this one up. > > After all safety is number one. > > Thanks to all for the good advice on this subject, this is the BEST forum > to gain knowledge on repeater information, their is no other like it. > > Thanks to all > > Denny > >
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
I checked the drain hole on that brace and their is another one at the other end on the bottom, anyhow, you ARE RIGHT IT HAS 40 YEARS OF WEATHER ON IT. To many red flags. After a reveiew of the messages and I would like to use it, I think I am going to pass this one up. After all safety is number one. Thanks to all for the good advice on this subject, this is the BEST forum to gain knowledge on repeater information, their is no other like it. Thanks to all Denny --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Kelsey" wrote: > > I just noticed a RED FLAG item in one of the pictures. Whomever constructed > the tower installed the cross braces upside down - the drain holes are at > the top. 40 years of rain getting into those will not be good. > > Chuck > WB2EDV > > > > - Original Message - > From: "NORM KNAPP" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > Not worth your time, let alone your life. Bolted on tubular bracing is a > > recipe for disaster. The BW (body wall) on the legs and bracing could be > > paper thin and you would find out after the damage is done. > > I would not climb it if it had new guys on it. > > 73 > > Norm N5NPO > > > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
I just noticed a RED FLAG item in one of the pictures. Whomever constructed the tower installed the cross braces upside down - the drain holes are at the top. 40 years of rain getting into those will not be good. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: "NORM KNAPP" To: Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > Not worth your time, let alone your life. Bolted on tubular bracing is a > recipe for disaster. The BW (body wall) on the legs and bracing could be > paper thin and you would find out after the damage is done. > I would not climb it if it had new guys on it. > 73 > Norm N5NPO > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
Not worth your time, let alone your life. Bolted on tubular bracing is a recipe for disaster. The BW (body wall) on the legs and bracing could be paper thin and you would find out after the damage is done. I would not climb it if it had new guys on it. 73 Norm N5NPO - Original Message - From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed Jun 02 22:27:48 2010 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower The pictures are here of the tower. http://s903.photobucket.com/albums/ac231/dgrapach/Old%20tower/Old%20Tower/ --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> , "dgrapach" wrote: > > Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, the > site was abandon for years. > > Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana county pa. > Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> , "Richard W. Solomon" > wrote: > > > > Tower location is an important piece of the equation. Big difference > > between the East Coast and the Sonoran Desert !! > > > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > > > > -Original Message- > > >From: dgrapach > > >Sent: Jun 2, 2010 9:27 PM > > >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > ><mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > > >I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size of > > >a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > > > > >tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > > >outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several guy > > >wires, > > > > > >guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height 150 > > >feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > > > >is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old > > >tower like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > > > > >used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > > > > >Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
If you can use it as is, by that I mean if you are going to use the antennas and feed line that is there then go for it. Run it till it falls down. Do not climb it, do not add to it. Just clear the guys and base of the tower of the over growth. Never work at this site alone. Have a safety person watching the tower at all times while workers are under it. He needs an air horn/whistle or some signal to sound the alarm to get to the safety area. Make sure you have safety routes and zones while you work under it. I am not a tower engineer, but I believe you will have a hard time certifying that type of tower. And I doubt you would be able to insure it. I certainly would not use it for anything commercial. But for a HAM yak box run it till it drops. -Kevin _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dgrapach Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:28 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower The pictures are here of the tower. http://s903.photobucket.com/albums/ac231/dgrapach/Old%20tower/Old%20Tower/ --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> , "dgrapach" wrote: > > Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, the site was abandon for years. > > Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana county pa. Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> , "Richard W. Solomon" wrote: > > > > Tower location is an important piece of the equation. Big difference > > between the East Coast and the Sonoran Desert !! > > > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > > > > -Original Message- > > >From: dgrapach > > >Sent: Jun 2, 2010 9:27 PM > > >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > > >I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size of a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > > > > >tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > > >outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several guy wires, > > > > > >guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height 150 feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > > > >is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old tower like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > > > > >used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > > > > >Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
As I said find someone who know metal and engineer or metal worker that has a clue and have then do the testing , it's possible to do dye checks n stuff for the bolts and ask the metal workers advice about rust testing , it really needs a paint job once you are sure it's safe to climb . Trust me a small fall of 20ft hurts bad so 100 feet riding a tower down means no recovery and no future and good luck To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: dgrap...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:15:42 + Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower The tower is free, to use. I want to use it for a micro wave hop, the small open screen type dishes. The is a small bow up about 120 feet, can't really tell if it is bent. The only way I know of to tell if the tube is full of rust is drill a small hole in the base and see what comes out. am I thinking right on this? The bottom bolts that I can reach are tight, The tower base is a steel plate that sits on a concrete pad with a steel pin sticking up through the plate. Denny --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Lee Pennington wrote: > > Where's the chainsaws, and weed whackers?? I agree with Barry, If I was > twenty years younger and that tower was free and in So. Florida I'd be > looking for a deal on guy wire and hardware..just my > nickels worth > de Lee, K4LJP > 73 > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Barry wrote: > > > > > > > Looking at the pictures a good cleaning + painting and replacement of guys > > after Engineering (mechanical) inspection and establishing that the tube > > inside is not filled with flakes of rust , still seem like a good idea ? > > > > -- > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > From: dgrap...@... > > Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:11:10 + > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > > > Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, the > > site was abandon for years. > > > > Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana county > > pa. Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Richard W. Solomon" > > wrote: > > > > > > Tower location is an important piece of the equation. Big difference > > > between the East Coast and the Sonoran Desert !! > > > > > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > >From: dgrapach > > > >Sent: Jun 2, 2010 9:27 PM > > > >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > > >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > > > > >I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size > > of a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > > > > > > >tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > > > >outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several > > guy wires, > > > > > > > >guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height > > 150 feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > > > > > >is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old > > tower like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > > > > > > >used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > > > > > > >Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to > > live?<http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/> > > > > > > > > -- > "Always drink upstream from the herd." > _ Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/
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Looking at the pictures you have shown, I would not try and reuse the existing tower. It has rust and shows a lack of maintenance by the trees in the guy wires as well as the vines growing up from the base. If the funds were available to get the property and erect a new tower where you could keep the area clean you look to have a pretty good site. Do you know what the coverage area is at its current height? Also it looks to me that the electrical is underground as I did not see a pole nearby so you may have issues there as well. Stan From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dgrapach Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:28 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower The pictures are here of the tower. http://s903.photobucket.com/albums/ac231/dgrapach/Old%20tower/Old%20Tower/ --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> , "dgrapach" wrote: > > Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, the site was abandon for years. > > Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana county pa. Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> , "Richard W. Solomon" wrote: > > > > Tower location is an important piece of the equation. Big difference > > between the East Coast and the Sonoran Desert !! > > > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > > > > -Original Message- > > >From: dgrapach > > >Sent: Jun 2, 2010 9:27 PM > > >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > > >I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size of a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > > > > >tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > > >outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several guy wires, > > > > > >guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height 150 feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > > > >is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old tower like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > > > > >used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > > > > >Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
The tower is free, to use. I want to use it for a micro wave hop, the small open screen type dishes. The is a small bow up about 120 feet, can't really tell if it is bent. The only way I know of to tell if the tube is full of rust is drill a small hole in the base and see what comes out. am I thinking right on this? The bottom bolts that I can reach are tight, The tower base is a steel plate that sits on a concrete pad with a steel pin sticking up through the plate. Denny --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Lee Pennington wrote: > > Where's the chainsaws, and weed whackers?? I agree with Barry, If I was > twenty years younger and that tower was free and in So. Florida I'd be > looking for a deal on guy wire and hardware..just my > nickels worth > de Lee, K4LJP > 73 > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Barry wrote: > > > > > > > Looking at the pictures a good cleaning + painting and replacement of guys > > after Engineering (mechanical) inspection and establishing that the tube > > inside is not filled with flakes of rust , still seem like a good idea ? > > > > -- > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > From: dgrap...@... > > Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:11:10 + > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > > > Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, the > > site was abandon for years. > > > > Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana county > > pa. Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Richard W. Solomon" > > wrote: > > > > > > Tower location is an important piece of the equation. Big difference > > > between the East Coast and the Sonoran Desert !! > > > > > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > >From: dgrapach > > > >Sent: Jun 2, 2010 9:27 PM > > > >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > > >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > > > > >I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size > > of a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > > > > > > >tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > > > >outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several > > guy wires, > > > > > > > >guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height > > 150 feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > > > > > >is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old > > tower like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > > > > > > >used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > > > > > > >Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to > > live?<http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/> > > > > > > > > -- > "Always drink upstream from the herd." >
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If it were me, I'd decline to use it. By the time you replace all the guy wires, strip all the junk off the tower, clean off all the rust and paint it, you've still got an old tower when you're finished. All that expense would go a long way toward a new tower. And that's not even considering all those rusty joints that could, and probably will, cause all kinds of intermod. If you can purchase the site, and it's a good one, it could eventually work out with a new installation. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: "dgrapach" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:27 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > The pictures are here of the tower. > http://s903.photobucket.com/albums/ac231/dgrapach/Old%20tower/Old%20Tower/ > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "dgrapach" wrote: >> >> Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, the >> site was abandon for years. >> >> Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana county >> pa. Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? >>
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Where's the chainsaws, and weed whackers?? I agree with Barry, If I was twenty years younger and that tower was free and in So. Florida I'd be looking for a deal on guy wire and hardware..just my nickels worth de Lee, K4LJP 73 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Barry wrote: > > > Looking at the pictures a good cleaning + painting and replacement of guys > after Engineering (mechanical) inspection and establishing that the tube > inside is not filled with flakes of rust , still seem like a good idea ? > > -- > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > From: dgrap...@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:11:10 + > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, the > site was abandon for years. > > Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana county > pa. Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Richard W. Solomon" > wrote: > > > > Tower location is an important piece of the equation. Big difference > > between the East Coast and the Sonoran Desert !! > > > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > > > > -Original Message- > > >From: dgrapach > > >Sent: Jun 2, 2010 9:27 PM > > >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > > >I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size > of a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > > > > >tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > > >outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several > guy wires, > > > > > >guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height > 150 feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > > > >is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old > tower like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > > > > >used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > > > > >Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to > live?<http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/> > > -- "Always drink upstream from the herd."
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, dgrapach wrote: > The pictures are here of the tower. > http://s903.photobucket.com/albums/ac231/dgrapach/Old%20tower/Old%20Tower/ I am really new to towers and tower climbing. Here are a few points based on what images you have posted: 1) Immediately Agent Orange the base of the tower, the guys, and the base of the guys. 2) Thoroughly inspect each of the above points for any through or heavy rust where metal meets concrete. 3) Anything that is living in or on the tower should immediately be severed. The tree growing through the guy wire needs to be separated from the guy wire. By cutting it down. First above the line, and then through the line. You want to crack the tree away from the line. The entire tower must be "safetied" before any attempt to climb is made. Anything organic growing on it should be turning brown and dying, and all of the guy bases must be inspected and assured to be in the ground. Additionally, since this is a bolted tower, I would inspect all of the bolts in the bottom 10 - 20 feet for any signs of looseness on the way up. One of these towers might survive with a loose or missing diagonal. But if it loses two diagonals, it's liable to drop without warning. Any rust should be surface rust only. There are no splits in the legs, so it's good there, but without being able to see the base of the tower without foliage cover, or the base of the guys without foliage cover, there's no certain way to tell how safe it might be. Obviously, the farther apart the vertical legs are, the stronger the tower should be. Rohn 45 is 18" per side, Rohn 20 and 25 are 12" per side. Rohn 45 is a little more comfortable to climb. ;) -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
Looking at the pictures a good cleaning + painting and replacement of guys after Engineering (mechanical) inspection and establishing that the tube inside is not filled with flakes of rust , still seem like a good idea ? To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: dgrap...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:11:10 + Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, the site was abandon for years. Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana county pa. Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Richard W. Solomon" wrote: > > Tower location is an important piece of the equation. Big difference > between the East Coast and the Sonoran Desert !! > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > -Original Message- > >From: dgrapach > >Sent: Jun 2, 2010 9:27 PM > >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > >I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size of > >a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > > >tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > >outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several guy > >wires, > > > >guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height 150 > >feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > >is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old tower > >like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > > >used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > > >Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > _ Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/
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Different tower, then. The one I was talking about was 'infested' with pine trees and was severely bent over. Still, I would look to see if the tower is straight since you have a tree in the guy lines (or rather a guy line in the tree). Joe M. dgrapach wrote: > This tower is near Plumville, the Ballsinger radio tower. I will always er on > the side of safety, if it is jumk I want no part of it. just trying to > determan if in worth the trouble.. > > Denny > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH wrote: >> If this happens to be near Saltsburg, look up the tower and I think you >> will find the tower is bent from the trees pulling on the guy wires. At >> least, it was that way about 10-15 years ago, and I doubt it has gotten >> any better. I also doubt you will find anyone willing (read: dumb >> enough) to climb it. >> >> Again, though, if it's the one I'm thinking it might be. >> >> Joe M.
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Who owns the land that it sits on? You could get a pretty penny for the copper that is in the heliax. You would probably need a crane to disassemble it and sell it for steel. But find a local tower company and see if they want to look at it. Engineering firms are usually about $400.00 per hour. I am sure they would have equipment to test the guy wires. You could start by clearing all the brush from the guy wires and tower, then you would be able to inspect it better. Looks like someone put it up and abndoned it later. Hence the under growth. Butch in Billings, MT KE7FEL/r On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:44 PM, dgrapach wrote: > > > This tower is near Plumville, the Ballsinger radio tower. I will always er > on the side of safety, if it is jumk I want no part of it. just trying to > determan if in worth the trouble.. > > Denny > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, > MCH wrote: > > > > If this happens to be near Saltsburg, look up the tower and I think you > > will find the tower is bent from the trees pulling on the guy wires. At > > least, it was that way about 10-15 years ago, and I doubt it has gotten > > any better. I also doubt you will find anyone willing (read: dumb > > enough) to climb it. > > > > Again, though, if it's the one I'm thinking it might be. > > > > Joe M. > > > > dgrapach wrote: > > > Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, > the site was abandon for years. > > > > > > Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana > county pa. Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? > > > > > > --- In > > > Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, > "Richard W. Solomon" wrote: > > >> Tower location is an important piece of the equation. Big difference > > >> between the East Coast and the Sonoran Desert !! > > >> > > >> 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > >> > > >> > > >> -Original Message- > > >>> From: dgrapach > > >>> Sent: Jun 2, 2010 9:27 PM > > >>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > >>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > >>> > > >>> I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the > size of a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > >>> > > >>> tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > > >>> outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on > several guy wires, > > >>> > > >>> guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower > height 150 feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > >>> > > >>> is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old > tower like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > >>> > > >>> used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > >>> > > >>> Denny > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.783 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2746 - Release Date: > 03/14/10 03:33:00 > > > > > > > >
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
This tower is near Plumville, the Ballsinger radio tower. I will always er on the side of safety, if it is jumk I want no part of it. just trying to determan if in worth the trouble.. Denny --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH wrote: > > If this happens to be near Saltsburg, look up the tower and I think you > will find the tower is bent from the trees pulling on the guy wires. At > least, it was that way about 10-15 years ago, and I doubt it has gotten > any better. I also doubt you will find anyone willing (read: dumb > enough) to climb it. > > Again, though, if it's the one I'm thinking it might be. > > Joe M. > > dgrapach wrote: > > Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, the > > site was abandon for years. > > > > Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana county > > pa. Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Richard W. Solomon" > > wrote: > >> Tower location is an important piece of the equation. Big difference > >> between the East Coast and the Sonoran Desert !! > >> > >> 73, Dick, W1KSZ > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >>> From: dgrapach > >>> Sent: Jun 2, 2010 9:27 PM > >>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > >>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 40 year old radio tower > >>> > >>> I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size > >>> of a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > >>> > >>> tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > >>> outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several > >>> guy wires, > >>> > >>> guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height > >>> 150 feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > >>> > >>> is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old > >>> tower like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > >>> > >>> used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > >>> > >>> Denny > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.783 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2746 - Release Date: 03/14/10 > > 03:33:00 > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
If this happens to be near Saltsburg, look up the tower and I think you will find the tower is bent from the trees pulling on the guy wires. At least, it was that way about 10-15 years ago, and I doubt it has gotten any better. I also doubt you will find anyone willing (read: dumb enough) to climb it. Again, though, if it's the one I'm thinking it might be. Joe M. dgrapach wrote: > Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, the > site was abandon for years. > > Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana county pa. > Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Richard W. Solomon" > wrote: >> Tower location is an important piece of the equation. Big difference >> between the East Coast and the Sonoran Desert !! >> >> 73, Dick, W1KSZ >> >> >> -Original Message- >>> From: dgrapach >>> Sent: Jun 2, 2010 9:27 PM >>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 40 year old radio tower >>> >>> I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size of >>> a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The >>> >>> tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the >>> outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several guy >>> wires, >>> >>> guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height 150 >>> feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust >>> >>> is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old tower >>> like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable >>> >>> used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. >>> >>> Denny >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.783 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2746 - Release Date: 03/14/10 > 03:33:00 >
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
The pictures are here of the tower. http://s903.photobucket.com/albums/ac231/dgrapach/Old%20tower/Old%20Tower/ --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "dgrapach" wrote: > > Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, the > site was abandon for years. > > Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana county pa. > Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Richard W. Solomon" wrote: > > > > Tower location is an important piece of the equation. Big difference > > between the East Coast and the Sonoran Desert !! > > > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > > > > -Original Message- > > >From: dgrapach > > >Sent: Jun 2, 2010 9:27 PM > > >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > > > >I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size > > >of a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > > > > >tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > > >outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several guy > > >wires, > > > > > >guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height 150 > > >feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > > > >is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old > > >tower like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > > > > >used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > > > > >Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
Very true,this tower had it's guy wires in the woods under the trees, the site was abandon for years. Where and how do I find an engineer to inspect it. I am in Indiana county pa. Is it feasible to change guy wires, do they recomemd it? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Richard W. Solomon" wrote: > > Tower location is an important piece of the equation. Big difference > between the East Coast and the Sonoran Desert !! > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > -Original Message- > >From: dgrapach > >Sent: Jun 2, 2010 9:27 PM > >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 40 year old radio tower > > > >I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size of > >a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > > >tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > >outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several guy > >wires, > > > >guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height 150 > >feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > >is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old tower > >like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > > >used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > > >Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
Have a local engineer inspect it , preferably of the mechanical kind or someone in construction with a clue as it may wel be fine but wthout a decent visual it might fall anytime At that age I would be suspicious or further use in another location To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: dgrap...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:47:16 + Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower I don't know if I can put the pictures on.. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Lee Pennington wrote: > > Pictures would help, > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:27 PM, dgrapach wrote: > > > > > > > I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size of > > a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > > > tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > > outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several guy > > wires, > > > > guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height 150 > > feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > > is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old tower > > like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > > > used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > -- > "Always drink upstream from the herd." > _ Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/
Re: {Disarmed} [Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
Use something like Photobucket.com... Post the pictures there, then link them to us! -- Max Kelley KC2SPY www.maxkelley.com On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 01:47 +, dgrapach wrote: > > > I don't know if I can put the pictures on.. > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Lee Pennington > wrote: > > > > Pictures would help, > > > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:27 PM, dgrapach wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the > size of > > > a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > > > > > tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on > the > > > outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on > several guy > > > wires, > > > > > > guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower > height 150 > > > feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > > > > is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an > old tower > > > like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > > > > > used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "Always drink upstream from the herd." > > > > > > >
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Advice on 40 year old radio tower
I don't know if I can put the pictures on.. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Lee Pennington wrote: > > Pictures would help, > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:27 PM, dgrapach wrote: > > > > > > > I need advice on using an old radio tower. It looks like to be the size of > > a 45G, the cross bars are bolted on instead of welded. The > > > > tower looks as if it is ok, light surface rust, bolts look ok on the > > outside, of course can't see inside. Heavy rust and pitting on several guy > > wires, > > > > guys are in amoung the trees, the location needs cleared, tower height 150 > > feet. Any one have experance on this type of tower? How much rust > > > > is aceptable on a gut wire? How do you decide on the safety on an old tower > > like this? What is the differance between guy wire and cable > > > > used as a guy wire? So many questions... Thanks for any help. > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > -- > "Always drink upstream from the herd." >
