RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed
Thanks to all who answered, I had to turn my attitude filter on. The info was very useful, I will be looking for the control head as soon as I get time to dive into this project. Rob From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wb6dgn Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:04 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed Bill, The lower power (150 watt and below) stations do not use any supply voltage above that 13.8 volts... What part of below 150 watts don't you understand? And, yeah, I was off by 25 watts; so sue me! That's irrelevant anyhow, the OP was talking about a 5 or 6 watt station in the first place! The IPA in the RF tray IS the PA for the low power station and it needs feedback for power leveling with variations in line voltage and drive. This is where the low power control head has it's function. Yes, all you need is a voltage divider to provide feedback to trick the low power PA, but in doing so, you forfeit the power leveling features designed into the power control circuitry; NOT a good idea. Like any endeavor, there is the quick way and there is the right way. Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Bill jawjabill...@... wrote: I would encourage ya'll to get the proper manual for the vhf msf-5000. The PS puts out 28v and 14v, with the 125 watt and higher pa's needing 28v. The low level drive pa between the two vco's will put our 1 to 9 watts, happier at 2-4 watts. RB website has some msf articles to trick the llpa to a given power out. . . Bill Atlanta . . . . --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Ralph S. Turk w7hsg@ wrote: Looking for more information on the Control Head. I have several CXB's without PA's. I will be using a Micor PA with external circulator. Looking for information on the feed back comming from a MSF PA to the exciter. Ralph - Original Message - From: wb6dgn wb6dgn@ To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:55:02 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed The TPN1186 power supply provides a high current (approx. 36A.), 13.8 volt source and two lower current 13.8 volt sources, fused at 6.3 amps each. There is also decoupling and filtering on a distribution board which also provides overvoltage and overcurrent protection. Depending on your 12 volt source, you may want to find a parts donor power supply and adapt that distribution board to suit your needs. The lower power (150 watt and below) stations do not use any supply voltage above that 13.8 volts, however. One thing that you will need, however is what Motorola calls the Low Power Control Head. This is a rather deceptive name for a rather simple device that senses forward and reflected power and sends that information to the power control circuitry in the RF tray. This information is normally located on one of the RF amps. (I forgot which) but when the PA's are not used, the control head performs that function. Schematics of the power supplies and the control head should be on Repeater Builder TIP pages or they can be found in most of the MSF service manuals. Good luck, Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Robert Pease robp@ wrote: I was given an MSF-5000 for VHF, without the power supply or the PA, just the rf deck and the control deck. I want to use it for a small on site repeater for linking in an EmCom vehicle. My understanding is that it will put out about 5 watts without the PA. Are there any problems with using it this way and what do I need for DC power, I would love to run it directly off the 12V battery bank that runs the other equipment. I haven't even started looking at it, it is in the garage waiting the time, but with the time approaching I thought I would send our a request and get some info before I jumped on it. Thanks - KS4EC - Rob Robert Pease P No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Think before you print! Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. . NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed
Looking for more information on the Control Head. I have several CXB's without PA's. I will be using a Micor PA with external circulator. Looking for information on the feed back comming from a MSF PA to the exciter. Ralph - Original Message - From: wb6dgn wb6...@att.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:55:02 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed The TPN1186 power supply provides a high current (approx. 36A.), 13.8 volt source and two lower current 13.8 volt sources, fused at 6.3 amps each. There is also decoupling and filtering on a distribution board which also provides overvoltage and overcurrent protection. Depending on your 12 volt source, you may want to find a parts donor power supply and adapt that distribution board to suit your needs. The lower power (150 watt and below) stations do not use any supply voltage above that 13.8 volts, however. One thing that you will need, however is what Motorola calls the Low Power Control Head. This is a rather deceptive name for a rather simple device that senses forward and reflected power and sends that information to the power control circuitry in the RF tray. This information is normally located on one of the RF amps. (I forgot which) but when the PA's are not used, the control head performs that function. Schematics of the power supplies and the control head should be on Repeater Builder TIP pages or they can be found in most of the MSF service manuals. Good luck, Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com , Robert Pease r...@... wrote: I was given an MSF-5000 for VHF, without the power supply or the PA, just the rf deck and the control deck. I want to use it for a small on site repeater for linking in an EmCom vehicle. My understanding is that it will put out about 5 watts without the PA. Are there any problems with using it this way and what do I need for DC power, I would love to run it directly off the 12V battery bank that runs the other equipment. I haven't even started looking at it, it is in the garage waiting the time, but with the time approaching I thought I would send our a request and get some info before I jumped on it. Thanks - KS4EC - Rob Robert Pease P No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Think before you print! Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. . -- NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed
Ralph, Send me an email and I'll scan those pages and send them back to you. Tom --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ralph S. Turk w7...@... wrote: Looking for more information on the Control Head. I have several CXB's without PA's. I will be using a Micor PA with external circulator. Looking for information on the feed back comming from a MSF PA to the exciter. Ralph - Original Message - From: wb6dgn wb6...@... To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:55:02 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed The TPN1186 power supply provides a high current (approx. 36A.), 13.8 volt source and two lower current 13.8 volt sources, fused at 6.3 amps each. There is also decoupling and filtering on a distribution board which also provides overvoltage and overcurrent protection. Depending on your 12 volt source, you may want to find a parts donor power supply and adapt that distribution board to suit your needs. The lower power (150 watt and below) stations do not use any supply voltage above that 13.8 volts, however. One thing that you will need, however is what Motorola calls the Low Power Control Head. This is a rather deceptive name for a rather simple device that senses forward and reflected power and sends that information to the power control circuitry in the RF tray. This information is normally located on one of the RF amps. (I forgot which) but when the PA's are not used, the control head performs that function. Schematics of the power supplies and the control head should be on Repeater Builder TIP pages or they can be found in most of the MSF service manuals. Good luck, Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com , Robert Pease robp@ wrote: I was given an MSF-5000 for VHF, without the power supply or the PA, just the rf deck and the control deck. I want to use it for a small on site repeater for linking in an EmCom vehicle. My understanding is that it will put out about 5 watts without the PA. Are there any problems with using it this way and what do I need for DC power, I would love to run it directly off the 12V battery bank that runs the other equipment. I haven't even started looking at it, it is in the garage waiting the time, but with the time approaching I thought I would send our a request and get some info before I jumped on it. Thanks - KS4EC - Rob Robert Pease P No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Think before you print! Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. . -- NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed
I would encourage ya'llto get the proper manual for the vhf msf-5000. The PS puts out 28v and 14v, with the 125 watt and higher pa's needing 28v. The low level drive pa between the two vco's will put our 1 to 9 watts, happier at 2-4 watts. RB website has some msf articles to trick the llpa to a given power out. . . Bill Atlanta . . . . --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ralph S. Turk w7...@... wrote: Looking for more information on the Control Head. I have several CXB's without PA's. I will be using a Micor PA with external circulator. Looking for information on the feed back comming from a MSF PA to the exciter. Ralph - Original Message - From: wb6dgn wb6...@... To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:55:02 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed The TPN1186 power supply provides a high current (approx. 36A.), 13.8 volt source and two lower current 13.8 volt sources, fused at 6.3 amps each. There is also decoupling and filtering on a distribution board which also provides overvoltage and overcurrent protection. Depending on your 12 volt source, you may want to find a parts donor power supply and adapt that distribution board to suit your needs. The lower power (150 watt and below) stations do not use any supply voltage above that 13.8 volts, however. One thing that you will need, however is what Motorola calls the Low Power Control Head. This is a rather deceptive name for a rather simple device that senses forward and reflected power and sends that information to the power control circuitry in the RF tray. This information is normally located on one of the RF amps. (I forgot which) but when the PA's are not used, the control head performs that function. Schematics of the power supplies and the control head should be on Repeater Builder TIP pages or they can be found in most of the MSF service manuals. Good luck, Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com , Robert Pease robp@ wrote: I was given an MSF-5000 for VHF, without the power supply or the PA, just the rf deck and the control deck. I want to use it for a small on site repeater for linking in an EmCom vehicle. My understanding is that it will put out about 5 watts without the PA. Are there any problems with using it this way and what do I need for DC power, I would love to run it directly off the 12V battery bank that runs the other equipment. I haven't even started looking at it, it is in the garage waiting the time, but with the time approaching I thought I would send our a request and get some info before I jumped on it. Thanks - KS4EC - Rob Robert Pease P No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Think before you print! Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. . -- NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed
Bill, The lower power (150 watt and below) stations do not use any supply voltage above that 13.8 volts... What part of below 150 watts don't you understand? The IPA in the RF tray IS the PA for the low power station and it needs feedback for power leveling with variations in line voltage and drive. This is where the low power control head has it's function. Yes, all you need is a voltage divider to provide feedback to trick the low power PA, but in doing so, you forfeit the power leveling features designed into the power control circuitry; NOT a good idea. Like any endeavor, there is the quick way and there is the right way. Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bill jawjabill...@... wrote: I would encourage ya'llto get the proper manual for the vhf msf-5000. The PS puts out 28v and 14v, with the 125 watt and higher pa's needing 28v. The low level drive pa between the two vco's will put our 1 to 9 watts, happier at 2-4 watts. RB website has some msf articles to trick the llpa to a given power out. . . Bill Atlanta . . . . --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ralph S. Turk w7hsg@ wrote: Looking for more information on the Control Head. I have several CXB's without PA's. I will be using a Micor PA with external circulator. Looking for information on the feed back comming from a MSF PA to the exciter. Ralph - Original Message - From: wb6dgn wb6dgn@ To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:55:02 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed The TPN1186 power supply provides a high current (approx. 36A.), 13.8 volt source and two lower current 13.8 volt sources, fused at 6.3 amps each. There is also decoupling and filtering on a distribution board which also provides overvoltage and overcurrent protection. Depending on your 12 volt source, you may want to find a parts donor power supply and adapt that distribution board to suit your needs. The lower power (150 watt and below) stations do not use any supply voltage above that 13.8 volts, however. One thing that you will need, however is what Motorola calls the Low Power Control Head. This is a rather deceptive name for a rather simple device that senses forward and reflected power and sends that information to the power control circuitry in the RF tray. This information is normally located on one of the RF amps. (I forgot which) but when the PA's are not used, the control head performs that function. Schematics of the power supplies and the control head should be on Repeater Builder TIP pages or they can be found in most of the MSF service manuals. Good luck, Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com , Robert Pease robp@ wrote: I was given an MSF-5000 for VHF, without the power supply or the PA, just the rf deck and the control deck. I want to use it for a small on site repeater for linking in an EmCom vehicle. My understanding is that it will put out about 5 watts without the PA. Are there any problems with using it this way and what do I need for DC power, I would love to run it directly off the 12V battery bank that runs the other equipment. I haven't even started looking at it, it is in the garage waiting the time, but with the time approaching I thought I would send our a request and get some info before I jumped on it. Thanks - KS4EC - Rob Robert Pease P No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Think before you print! Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. . -- NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed
Bill, The lower power (150 watt and below) stations do not use any supply voltage above that 13.8 volts... What part of below 150 watts don't you understand? And, yeah, I was off by 25 watts; so sue me! That's irrelevant anyhow, the OP was talking about a 5 or 6 watt station in the first place! The IPA in the RF tray IS the PA for the low power station and it needs feedback for power leveling with variations in line voltage and drive. This is where the low power control head has it's function. Yes, all you need is a voltage divider to provide feedback to trick the low power PA, but in doing so, you forfeit the power leveling features designed into the power control circuitry; NOT a good idea. Like any endeavor, there is the quick way and there is the right way. Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bill jawjabill...@... wrote: I would encourage ya'llto get the proper manual for the vhf msf-5000. The PS puts out 28v and 14v, with the 125 watt and higher pa's needing 28v. The low level drive pa between the two vco's will put our 1 to 9 watts, happier at 2-4 watts. RB website has some msf articles to trick the llpa to a given power out. . . Bill Atlanta . . . . --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ralph S. Turk w7hsg@ wrote: Looking for more information on the Control Head. I have several CXB's without PA's. I will be using a Micor PA with external circulator. Looking for information on the feed back comming from a MSF PA to the exciter. Ralph - Original Message - From: wb6dgn wb6dgn@ To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:55:02 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed The TPN1186 power supply provides a high current (approx. 36A.), 13.8 volt source and two lower current 13.8 volt sources, fused at 6.3 amps each. There is also decoupling and filtering on a distribution board which also provides overvoltage and overcurrent protection. Depending on your 12 volt source, you may want to find a parts donor power supply and adapt that distribution board to suit your needs. The lower power (150 watt and below) stations do not use any supply voltage above that 13.8 volts, however. One thing that you will need, however is what Motorola calls the Low Power Control Head. This is a rather deceptive name for a rather simple device that senses forward and reflected power and sends that information to the power control circuitry in the RF tray. This information is normally located on one of the RF amps. (I forgot which) but when the PA's are not used, the control head performs that function. Schematics of the power supplies and the control head should be on Repeater Builder TIP pages or they can be found in most of the MSF service manuals. Good luck, Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com , Robert Pease robp@ wrote: I was given an MSF-5000 for VHF, without the power supply or the PA, just the rf deck and the control deck. I want to use it for a small on site repeater for linking in an EmCom vehicle. My understanding is that it will put out about 5 watts without the PA. Are there any problems with using it this way and what do I need for DC power, I would love to run it directly off the 12V battery bank that runs the other equipment. I haven't even started looking at it, it is in the garage waiting the time, but with the time approaching I thought I would send our a request and get some info before I jumped on it. Thanks - KS4EC - Rob Robert Pease P No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Think before you print! Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. . -- NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed
The TPN1186 power supply provides a high current (approx. 36A.), 13.8 volt source and two lower current 13.8 volt sources, fused at 6.3 amps each. There is also decoupling and filtering on a distribution board which also provides overvoltage and overcurrent protection. Depending on your 12 volt source, you may want to find a parts donor power supply and adapt that distribution board to suit your needs. The lower power (150 watt and below) stations do not use any supply voltage above that 13.8 volts, however. One thing that you will need, however is what Motorola calls the Low Power Control Head. This is a rather deceptive name for a rather simple device that senses forward and reflected power and sends that information to the power control circuitry in the RF tray. This information is normally located on one of the RF amps. (I forgot which) but when the PA's are not used, the control head performs that function. Schematics of the power supplies and the control head should be on Repeater Builder TIP pages or they can be found in most of the MSF service manuals. Good luck, Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Robert Pease r...@... wrote: I was given an MSF-5000 for VHF, without the power supply or the PA, just the rf deck and the control deck. I want to use it for a small on site repeater for linking in an EmCom vehicle. My understanding is that it will put out about 5 watts without the PA. Are there any problems with using it this way and what do I need for DC power, I would love to run it directly off the 12V battery bank that runs the other equipment. I haven't even started looking at it, it is in the garage waiting the time, but with the time approaching I thought I would send our a request and get some info before I jumped on it. Thanks - KS4EC - Rob Robert Pease P No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Think before you print! Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. . NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 Army MARS repeater, Portland, OR
I have tried the output direct to a dummy load same result. I use tone access which I turned off and set the machine to squelch open, same result. ??? Hobie
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 Army MARS repeater, Portland, OR
Is it possible that the changing of operation frequency to MARS has caused the PA to become unstable and the resulting spurs are causing the protection circuit to dial back the power? Look at the output on a spectrum analyzer when the power loss occurs. Also, what happens to the PA current draw and the voltage when this problem occurs? The power supply may be unable to supply the needed current. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hobie's Mail Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:46 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 Army MARS repeater, Portland, OR I have tried the output direct to a dummy load same result. I use tone access which I turned off and set the machine to squelch open, same result. ??? Hobie
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 Army MARS repeater, Portland, OR
Just out of curiosity, have you tried the transmitter direct into a dummy load? If so are the results the same? One more question, Is the radio programmed for tone or carrier access? Joe --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Hobie hobie...@... wrote: I have just set up an MSF5000 125W repeater. The duplexers are tuned, the unit is tuned and programmed and it works kind of...When you open it with a carrier it puts out full power, as soon as you talk (local or remote)the PA cuts out. Drops from 80 watts to 4 watts. You can hold the PTT a long time: no drop. Any noise into the mic, it drops. Here or a mile away, it's the same. Checked RSS, etc. VHF Mars freq. with 2.1MHz split. Deviation? EEpots? Please help. Thanks. PS Also tried with separate antennas on each pair of duplexerssame.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 VCO problem
Thanks, I'll look him up. I was at Lawrenceville but didn't see them. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bill jawjabill...@... wrote: There was a guy at the stone mtn hamfest with several for 10.00... I think he is in the atlanta area...wb9dbd I think. . bill . --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, hl31943 hlestes@ wrote: I have a CXB UHF repeater and can't get the receive VCO to lock properly. I get a peak of about 23 uA but it doesn't lock there. If I tune to where it will lock, the M5 reading is about 13 uA. I've taken the VCO apart twice and cleaned it. Is substituting the transmit VCO (which does lock at 38 uA)a valid test of anything? I've also posted this problem on the MSF-5000 group, but no answer so far. I'm probably in the market for a replacement VCO if anyone has one available. Suggestions would be appreciated. 73, Howard WB4GUD
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 VCO problem
There was a guy at the stone mtn hamfest with several for 10.00... I think he is in the atlanta area...wb9dbd I think. . bill . --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, hl31943 hles...@... wrote: I have a CXB UHF repeater and can't get the receive VCO to lock properly. I get a peak of about 23 uA but it doesn't lock there. If I tune to where it will lock, the M5 reading is about 13 uA. I've taken the VCO apart twice and cleaned it. Is substituting the transmit VCO (which does lock at 38 uA)a valid test of anything? I've also posted this problem on the MSF-5000 group, but no answer so far. I'm probably in the market for a replacement VCO if anyone has one available. Suggestions would be appreciated. 73, Howard WB4GUD
[Repeater-Builder] Motorola MSF-5000
I have a Motorola MSF 5000 that I set up as a GMRS repeater and after re-programming and retuning I realized that I had been using my Micor for the last 4 to 5 years with no down time and why consider changing now. Since I decided that this was excess to my needs I wanted to offer it here with a meter set and manual for 425.00. The model is C44CXB7106BT and is a 40 watt Dig UHF Conv RPTR With options C675AV Duplex Filter 110W UHF RPTR C92AJ 26 '' Universal Cabinet MRTI 1000 Telephone interconnect I am located 18 miles South of Melbourne Florida and I would require whoever buys it to pick it up. I also have a tone remote that will work with this that I will throw in to get it out of the house. Thanks Steve N4YZA
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 PL encode deviation
Notwithstanding the range of 500 to 1000 Hz deviation for subaudible tones stated in TIA-603C, most modern radios are capable of reliably detecting CTCSS and CDCSS modulation when deviated as low as 100 Hz. I usually set subaudible deviation to around 400 Hz, especially for stations used in the Amateur service. This level seems to work 100% of the time, and it prevents repeater talk-off caused by CTCSS distortion when a very loud voice is limited in the transmit audio circuitry. Also, since many less-expensive radios do not have subaudible tone filters in the receive chain, the users seldom can hear the tone. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nj902 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:16 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 PL encode deviation The original factory design specification for the MSF5000 PL deviation is 800 Hz. That is just slightly greater than the 750 Hz. mid point in the acceptable range of 500 Hz to 1000 Hz as given in TIA-603. One issue that can cause the PL level to be incorrect is failure to properly perform the modulation compensation alignment. This often gets overlooked and is required when moving the station to a considerably different frequency than the one it was operating on when the initial alignment was performed. -- --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Ralph Hogan rhog...@... wrote: ... Have an MSF-5000 repeater we're trying to get going on VHF. ... Have noticed the PL encode deviation is a little high at about 900 Hz. ...
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 vhf power amp TLD2692A manual query
Dear Bob, I've got the MSR-2000 manuals for the repeater gear that I have to maintain. I'd love to have the relevant manual sections for this power amp. It's OK that the unit has sealed modules in it. I'm looking for the specs, tuning info, schematic and all, so that I can maintain this unit when we deploy it in one of our club's 2m repeaters. I'll gladly pay the price and accept the delay for getting the manual copied at the copy center! Thanks so much for offering that possibility! I bet that they could render it both as PDF and paper at the same time... 73, George Byrkit, K9TRV ARROW Technical coordinator (www.w8pgw.org) --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob M. msf5kg...@... wrote: I've got a manual that has that PA in it. Not much there except a power splitter, two FET PA modules (undocumented), a power combiner, and a power sensor. There's some troubleshooting charts and some parts lists, but absolutely nothing on the actual PA modules themselves. Most of the sheets are big fold-outs. Those with circuit board layouts are in color. It would take considerable time to scan them, plus it would be a very big file. Easier to make copies at the local copy center, but that wouldn't happen for several days and would cost several dollars plus postage. I can give you specific info from the manual a lot faster. Bob M. == --- On Sun, 12/14/08, ghbyrkit ghbyr...@... wrote: From: ghbyrkit ghbyr...@... Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 vhf power amp TLD2692A manual query To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 11:54 AM Hi, I've got an MSF 5000 VHF power amp, TLD2692A. Does anyone have a manual for this beast, or can you point me to a link for one? My meager attempts at google-fu didn't show anything that I could identify as such, nor any on eBay, nor R-B website. Thanks so much for reading, especially if you can help! 73, George K9TRV (Technical Coordinator for ARROW, W8PGW.org)
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 PL encode deviation
The original factory design specification for the MSF5000 PL deviation is 800 Hz. That is just slightly greater than the 750 Hz. mid point in the acceptable range of 500 Hz to 1000 Hz as given in TIA-603. One issue that can cause the PL level to be incorrect is failure to properly perform the modulation compensation alignment. This often gets overlooked and is required when moving the station to a considerably different frequency than the one it was operating on when the initial alignment was performed. -- --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Hogan rhog...@... wrote: ... Have an MSF-5000 repeater we're trying to get going on VHF. ... Have noticed the PL encode deviation is a little high at about 900 Hz. ...
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 PL encode deviation
Thanks, we will definitely go back and look at the mod comp. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nj902 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:16 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 PL encode deviation The original factory design specification for the MSF5000 PL deviation is 800 Hz. That is just slightly greater than the 750 Hz. mid point in the acceptable range of 500 Hz to 1000 Hz as given in TIA-603. One issue that can cause the PL level to be incorrect is failure to properly perform the modulation compensation alignment. This often gets overlooked and is required when moving the station to a considerably different frequency than the one it was operating on when the initial alignment was performed. -- --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Hogan rhog...@... wrote: ... Have an MSF-5000 repeater we're trying to get going on VHF. ... Have noticed the PL encode deviation is a little high at about 900 Hz. ... Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 Part
Bob, did you find what you need? I have several for parting out. Greg/N5SKE [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am looking for the AC power box with the lead to the power supply for the MSF 5000 case. I have a TPN1185A I would like to get up and working. Can anyone help? Bob kd7ikz
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 RX1 shutting off w/TX ACT
Yes,I did have it set-up as in cabinet repeat and it would basically do the same thing. Key up on the input, tx comes up, no rx AF out, stay keyed up on the handheld and the hangtime drops and then cycles back up again and keeps doing that as long as I keep a qualified rx signal on the input. Very strange indeed. If I can't get things to work right with a new eprom set I'm thinking of using one of the RLC-MOT COR boards and hook it straight to the discrim out and use that to trigger the cor and provide gated audio. What a waste; a third party board with a motorola micor squelch gate circuit on it in a Motoriola repater. What's the world coming to? I guess I could read up on the squelch troublesooting guide and see if something is boogered up on the squelch gate circuitry. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theoretically, you read the existing code plug, shut the system off, replace the two EPROMs, turn the station on, convert the code plug to System 3, then write it back to the station. Alternatively, you can start with a CONV3.DEF code plug, configure it, and write that to the station. I've done it a couple of times on UHF stations with no problems, however, others have had problems, although the station was already in deep doodoo before they attempted the upgrade and they couldn't read the old code plug or load in a new one before or after an upgrade. You'll probably also have to go back and set several EEPots after running in new firmware. For some reason, some of the most important ones default to 00. That's still very odd operation you're experiencing. It's as you say: almost as if the station thinks it's a half-duplex base station which cuts off the RX when you TX. I hope someone didn't bugger up the station by modifying it so it worked that way. I suppose an inverter wired in the right spot could somehow link TX ACT to RX ACT. It would be possible if you really wanted to do it bad enough, in which case new firmware or even a new code plug wouldn't fix it. Did you pull the SSCB and check for any foreign wires? Did you try setting it up as a stand-alone repeater and see if it has the same problem that way? Bob M. == --- Tom, N6MVT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot to mention I have already loaded a new conv.def codeplug and it still acts weird. is upgrading the SSCB TTRC codeplugs a matter of new eproms or something else? Thanks, Tom --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob M. msf5kguru@ wrote: It almost sounds like your station is configured with a trunking or SpectraTAC code plug, not a conventional one. You aren't using PL/DPL or a connect tone, just carrier. There could be some SP code that's hanging around in the station; maybe it needed something in the expansion tray at one time to key the transmitter or keep the receiver going. The MCS option would decode multiple PL/DPL, then force various bits in the MuxBux. That was the only connection available to the station, the same way the switches operate on the DMP. Maybe that option is still lingering in the code plug. I had one station that would key up as a repeater, but 1/2 second later the transmitter would then shut down. I never could find any setting for it, but when I put in a new conventional code plug, it started acting normally again. You can't modify every field in every configuration, so start with CONV.DEF, populate it as necessary, and write that to the station. It might get you running again. Also, you're using very old firmware and there could be bugs in it. Replacing it with version 5 would be a last resort. Bob M. == --- Tom, N6MVT N6MVT@ wrote: I have a dig capable MSF-5000 UHF station that I am trying to interface with an external controller. SSCB is 3.15 TTRC is 4.10. Had an MSC expansion board which was removed. I have been round and round with all kinds of config changes and regardless of what I do everytimne the PTT is triggered (via MRTI or LOCAL) and the TX comes up the RX1 ACT light goes out on the DMP. The RXUNSQ RPT UNSQ stay lit however. As soon as the tx goes off the RXACT comes back up and audio is there. Acts like a base on same T/R freq with the rx switching out from tx going active. It is programmed for repeater disable, FULL duplex, RX PL=CSQ and triggered by Audio Squelch. I need to drive 2 external PL boards so they listen to the discrim out (TP3) into the external controller. I can force the bits via DMP for RX1 ACT to stay on and that will work (RX wide open CSQ) except if it gets powered down and then it reverts to where it was. any ideas? Thx.
[Repeater-Builder] Motorola MSF 5000 power connections?
Hi Gang, I have received a uhf 5000 less pa unit and am therefor presented with plugs and sockets hanging out of the rf tray! They are as follows 9 way power sil socket ...red,white,brown,black,blue,orange,green 6 way plug to pa metering...green,black,white,red,brown,orange 40 way ribbon to remote control I don't have a manual so don't know where to shove some dc to check the rx and tx driver! Could some kind soul suggest the minimum connections to test the unit out please without hundreds of alarms! Cheers Dave UZN
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola MSF 5000 power connections?
Dave, There is a wealth of information available at: http://www.repeater-builder.com/motorola/msf/msf-index.html Be sure to drill down through the sub-pages and links... Also, the UHF Repeater Station Service Manual is available from Motorola: Part #6881062E75 Price is $57.52 USD available from http://www.myradiomall.com/ or direct form Motorola if you have an account set up with Motorola parts. My MSF5000 is a 900 MHz unit, so I'm not sure whether the connections would be the same or not... My thinking is that with the level of microprocessor control involved in this station, you'd probably get error codes up the ying-yang and not be able to test it without all parts properly connected/terminated. Good luck es 73! Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of dave_g7uzn Hi Gang, I have received a uhf 5000 less pa unit and am therefor presented with plugs and sockets hanging out of the rf tray! They are as follows 9 way power sil socket ...red,white,brown,black,blue,orange,green 6 way plug to pa metering...green,black,white,red,brown,orange 40 way ribbon to remote control I don't have a manual so don't know where to shove some dc to check the rx and tx driver! Could some kind soul suggest the minimum connections to test the unit out please without hundreds of alarms! Cheers Dave UZN
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
Charlie, it looks like we started a good thread. You better take some measurements before some one finds out I sent you a free Green Tee with out taking measurements; I might get tarred and feathered. After I sent that to you free of charge, some guys I know really gave me heck. All I could say was I got it free, why should I charge some one for it? I do not work that way. Hope you got it up and running by now. Happy New Year to all. Rod kc7vqr w7scc Trustee Rod! It has arrived!!! I will take some physical measurements and post to the group. I still have to get the eproms programmed, filters tuned, and figure out a CW ID circuit for my call every TEN minutes during useage. Piece of Cake! Everything else is functioning, hopefully on the air by the first week in January! I will advise when I get this machine online. Thank You Rod, again, for all your support. Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. also send their Thanks. '73 Charlie Kc5ozh It is not the class of license the Amateur holds, but the class of the Amateur that holds the license. Charles Mumphrey Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh Repeater System: Rowlett Main: 441.325 MHz + 162.2 Dallas: 441.950 MHz + 162.2 Rowlett II: 441.950 MHz + 110.9 Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. Unit 823 http://www.CharliesElectronics.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
Thanks Bob the repeater come up today and sounds good no open squelch nose nice and clear. I will see how it goes. Thanks Bob L - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Which that are you referring to??? What book did you look in? Please be more specific. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking in the book and did not find that. Were did you find that at? Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Watch how it drifts when the station cools off or heats up. While the VCO may lock between, say, 20 and 40, the book recommends 38uA so it has some room to swing. You can adjust the tuning and see how high and low you can go before the green LED goes out, then tune it in the middle. As long as it stays locked, you're OK. Long-term drift should be 2-4uA. If the tuning is erratic or the meter jumps around as you slowly adjust the tuning slug, you'll have to pull the VCO, pull the tuning slug, clean all the metal filings off the threads and inside the VCO, put it all back together, make sure the thin nut is tight so the tuning slug requires a bit of erfort to tune, and readjust it. Everything should tune smoothly with no jumps on the meter. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob I put the panel on and the RX was at 48uA and the TX was at 40uA so I put the RX at 40uA. The RX light came back on and it working good for now. I will check it in the morning to see if it is good. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Also make sure the VCO locks are in the OPERATE position. They should be in the TRANSIT or LOCKED position if/when the station is moved. This won't affect the problems your having, but it will allow the VCOs to pick up noise from anything mechanical outside the station, like fans or rotating machinery. The control tray should be slightly warm. Heat would be generated on the IPA/REG board in the center rear; nothing else should create noticeable heat. The only item that needed the fan was the PA/PS assembly at the top. The fans were usually mounted between those and the control tray. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I don't thing that it is the controll because the RX tray hot very HOT at times that is way I put the fan on it when it was in my basement. I am going to put the meter on it to see where the uA are at for the RX and TX. The repeater has been moved 3 time and has not been check for alignment. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Andrew G. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Bob, Sounds like there's a problem with your Arcom controller (RC-210 I guess?). I've had mine bug out a few times where something similiar would occur, but it usually corrected itself after being reset. Could be firmware or a bad programming string somewhere... As far as the open squelch noise goes, thats something I've never encountered. I run 3 CLB UHF Stations and a CXB 900MHz Station with no cooling on the control tray and this hasn't happened on any of them. Is the white noise appearing in the hangtime only with no cor activity on the RX? Does this still happen when you run the MSF with the internal controller? Andy KC2GOW P.S. We can fight over the legality of the time announcement on repeaters on another thread...hahaha --- In Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
If it IDs at the same time, is that OK? What about repeaters that send a beacon out every 30 minutes? These are all being generated by the controller at the repeater site, and if these transmissions have been authorized by the trustee and/or control ops, it seems to be an allowed transmission, annoying (to some) as it may be. Bob M. == --- Tony L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you've programmed the repeater to make time announcements even when there in no activity on the receiver, you are in violation of FCC rules that prohibit broadcasting. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours and tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone gave me any ides on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the RF tray and station control because it gets to hot and when it TX it sounds like it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater world. The repeater is working fine other then that. Thanks Bob kd7ikz echolink 216767 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
Probably Not true. The Dallas amateur club repeater did that as far back as the mid 70s and broadcast other things too. The FCC district office is located there so I know they were aware of that. There are some items of ham interest you can broadcast like time temp weather etc. Some repeaters broadcast the NASA channel audio at times. - Original Message - From: Tony L. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:33 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB . __,_._,Recent Activity a.. 16New Members b.. 1New Polls If you've programmed the repeater to make time announcements even when there in no activity on the receiver, you are in violation of FCC rules that prohibit broadcasting. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours and tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone gave me any ides on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the RF tray and station control because it gets to hot and when it TX it sounds like it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater world. The repeater is working fine other then that. Thanks Bob kd7ikz echolink 216767 Messages in this topic (3) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Members Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Visit Your Group Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Endurance Zone on Yahoo! Groups Groups about better endurance. Real Food Group on Yahoo! Groups What does real food mean to you? ___
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
In Dallas for many years, the weather radar image of Ch 4's feed was broadcast on an ATV channel. The feed was linked to the building where the transmitter was via the 1.2 GHz amateur band (about +20 dBm at 1260 MHz). The system was turned on usually during RACES Nets to aid storm spotters in the field. With the advent of many Internet radar websites and local TV channels broadcasting fulltime radar images, the system is no longer useful as it once was in the mid 80's. We were at a good site though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_America_Plaza_(Dallas) with our antenna buried amongst all of these. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Helipic.jpg Roger W5RD - Original Message - From: Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Probably Not true. The Dallas amateur club repeater did that as far back as the mid 70s and broadcast other things too. The FCC district office is located there so I know they were aware of that. There are some items of ham interest you can broadcast like time temp weather etc. Some repeaters broadcast the NASA channel audio at times. - Original Message - From: Tony L. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:33 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB If you've programmed the repeater to make time announcements even when there in no activity on the receiver, you are in violation of FCC rules that prohibit broadcasting. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours and tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone gave me any ides on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the RF tray and station control because it gets to hot and when it TX it sounds like it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater world. The repeater is working fine other then that. Thanks Bob kd7ikz echolink 216767 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1178 - Release Date: 12/8/2007 11:59 AM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
Bob, Sounds like there's a problem with your Arcom controller (RC-210 I guess?). I've had mine bug out a few times where something similiar would occur, but it usually corrected itself after being reset. Could be firmware or a bad programming string somewhere... As far as the open squelch noise goes, thats something I've never encountered. I run 3 CLB UHF Stations and a CXB 900MHz Station with no cooling on the control tray and this hasn't happened on any of them. Is the white noise appearing in the hangtime only with no cor activity on the RX? Does this still happen when you run the MSF with the internal controller? Andy KC2GOW P.S. We can fight over the legality of the time announcement on repeaters on another thread...hahaha --- In Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours and tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone gave me any ides on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the RF tray and station control because it gets to hot and when it TX it sounds like it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater world. The repeater is working fine other then that. Thanks Bob kd7ikz echolink 216767 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1178 - Release Date: 12/8/2007 11:59 AM Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
I do have the MSF Panel and I will try that and let you know. Thanks Bob --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have any kind of MSF metering panel, plug it in and adjust the receive VCO tuning slug for 38uA in position 5. If you don't have one, you'll have to make something up that will plug into the RJ45 metering jack on the front of the station. A simple 50uA DC meter will work. Pins 6, 7, and 8 are ground, the others are RX test points. Pin 5 is the one you'll need to measure and adjust the tuning core. You can do a similar procedure on the TX VCO. Move the meter to the TX metering jack on the front and adjust the TX VCO for 38uA. The CXB stations were rated for 100% duty cycle. Only the 110w and higher stations had fans on them; yours would need the fans if it's going to be transmitting for 15 minutes or more at a time. The cold weather will definitely affect the VCOs, and that's probably why the VCO LOCK LED is flickering. But you should adjust it with a meter of some sort. You can do a coarse adjustment by adjusting the tuning slug to get the green LED lit all the time. If the VCO unlocks, it will cause all sorts of problems in the receiver, so let's tackle the obvious cause first. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi The model # C74CLB-7106AT. It did it again. The RX light is blinking. When it said the time and ID heard 3 bees when it first keyed up. I had to put the fan back on it last night because I was getting that open squelch nose. Could the RF tray be getting to cold? Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB Start by providing the entire model number of the station, so we can give you some reasonable answers that will address your questions and problems. Bob M. == --- kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours and tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone gave me any ides on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the RF tray and station control because it gets to hot and when it TX it sounds like it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater world. The repeater is working fine other then that. Thanks Bob kd7ikz echolink 216767 __ __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
No I don't thing that it is the controll because the RX tray hot very HOT at times that is way I put the fan on it when it was in my basement. I am going to put the meter on it to see where the uA are at for the RX and TX. The repeater has been moved 3 time and has not been check for alignment. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Andrew G. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Bob, Sounds like there's a problem with your Arcom controller (RC-210 I guess?). I've had mine bug out a few times where something similiar would occur, but it usually corrected itself after being reset. Could be firmware or a bad programming string somewhere... As far as the open squelch noise goes, thats something I've never encountered. I run 3 CLB UHF Stations and a CXB 900MHz Station with no cooling on the control tray and this hasn't happened on any of them. Is the white noise appearing in the hangtime only with no cor activity on the RX? Does this still happen when you run the MSF with the internal controller? Andy KC2GOW P.S. We can fight over the legality of the time announcement on repeaters on another thread...hahaha --- In Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours and tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone gave me any ides on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the RF tray and station control because it gets to hot and when it TX it sounds like it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater world. The repeater is working fine other then that. Thanks Bob kd7ikz echolink 216767 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1178 - Release Date: 12/8/2007 11:59 AM -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
Also make sure the VCO locks are in the OPERATE position. They should be in the TRANSIT or LOCKED position if/when the station is moved. This won't affect the problems your having, but it will allow the VCOs to pick up noise from anything mechanical outside the station, like fans or rotating machinery. The control tray should be slightly warm. Heat would be generated on the IPA/REG board in the center rear; nothing else should create noticeable heat. The only item that needed the fan was the PA/PS assembly at the top. The fans were usually mounted between those and the control tray. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I don't thing that it is the controll because the RX tray hot very HOT at times that is way I put the fan on it when it was in my basement. I am going to put the meter on it to see where the uA are at for the RX and TX. The repeater has been moved 3 time and has not been check for alignment. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Andrew G. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Bob, Sounds like there's a problem with your Arcom controller (RC-210 I guess?). I've had mine bug out a few times where something similiar would occur, but it usually corrected itself after being reset. Could be firmware or a bad programming string somewhere... As far as the open squelch noise goes, thats something I've never encountered. I run 3 CLB UHF Stations and a CXB 900MHz Station with no cooling on the control tray and this hasn't happened on any of them. Is the white noise appearing in the hangtime only with no cor activity on the RX? Does this still happen when you run the MSF with the internal controller? Andy KC2GOW P.S. We can fight over the legality of the time announcement on repeaters on another thread...hahaha --- In Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours and tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone gave me any ides on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the RF tray and station control because it gets to hot and when it TX it sounds like it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater world. The repeater is working fine other then that. Thanks Bob kd7ikz echolink 216767 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
Watch how it drifts when the station cools off or heats up. While the VCO may lock between, say, 20 and 40, the book recommends 38uA so it has some room to swing. You can adjust the tuning and see how high and low you can go before the green LED goes out, then tune it in the middle. As long as it stays locked, you're OK. Long-term drift should be 2-4uA. If the tuning is erratic or the meter jumps around as you slowly adjust the tuning slug, you'll have to pull the VCO, pull the tuning slug, clean all the metal filings off the threads and inside the VCO, put it all back together, make sure the thin nut is tight so the tuning slug requires a bit of erfort to tune, and readjust it. Everything should tune smoothly with no jumps on the meter. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob I put the panel on and the RX was at 48uA and the TX was at 40uA so I put the RX at 40uA. The RX light came back on and it working good for now. I will check it in the morning to see if it is good. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Also make sure the VCO locks are in the OPERATE position. They should be in the TRANSIT or LOCKED position if/when the station is moved. This won't affect the problems your having, but it will allow the VCOs to pick up noise from anything mechanical outside the station, like fans or rotating machinery. The control tray should be slightly warm. Heat would be generated on the IPA/REG board in the center rear; nothing else should create noticeable heat. The only item that needed the fan was the PA/PS assembly at the top. The fans were usually mounted between those and the control tray. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I don't thing that it is the controll because the RX tray hot very HOT at times that is way I put the fan on it when it was in my basement. I am going to put the meter on it to see where the uA are at for the RX and TX. The repeater has been moved 3 time and has not been check for alignment. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Andrew G. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Bob, Sounds like there's a problem with your Arcom controller (RC-210 I guess?). I've had mine bug out a few times where something similiar would occur, but it usually corrected itself after being reset. Could be firmware or a bad programming string somewhere... As far as the open squelch noise goes, thats something I've never encountered. I run 3 CLB UHF Stations and a CXB 900MHz Station with no cooling on the control tray and this hasn't happened on any of them. Is the white noise appearing in the hangtime only with no cor activity on the RX? Does this still happen when you run the MSF with the internal controller? Andy KC2GOW P.S. We can fight over the legality of the time announcement on repeaters on another thread...hahaha --- In Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours and tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone gave me any ides on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the RF tray and station control because it gets to hot and when it TX it sounds like it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater world. The repeater is working fine other then that. Thanks Bob kd7ikz echolink 216767 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
I have been looking in the book and did not find that. Were did you find that at? Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Watch how it drifts when the station cools off or heats up. While the VCO may lock between, say, 20 and 40, the book recommends 38uA so it has some room to swing. You can adjust the tuning and see how high and low you can go before the green LED goes out, then tune it in the middle. As long as it stays locked, you're OK. Long-term drift should be 2-4uA. If the tuning is erratic or the meter jumps around as you slowly adjust the tuning slug, you'll have to pull the VCO, pull the tuning slug, clean all the metal filings off the threads and inside the VCO, put it all back together, make sure the thin nut is tight so the tuning slug requires a bit of erfort to tune, and readjust it. Everything should tune smoothly with no jumps on the meter. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob I put the panel on and the RX was at 48uA and the TX was at 40uA so I put the RX at 40uA. The RX light came back on and it working good for now. I will check it in the morning to see if it is good. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Also make sure the VCO locks are in the OPERATE position. They should be in the TRANSIT or LOCKED position if/when the station is moved. This won't affect the problems your having, but it will allow the VCOs to pick up noise from anything mechanical outside the station, like fans or rotating machinery. The control tray should be slightly warm. Heat would be generated on the IPA/REG board in the center rear; nothing else should create noticeable heat. The only item that needed the fan was the PA/PS assembly at the top. The fans were usually mounted between those and the control tray. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I don't thing that it is the controll because the RX tray hot very HOT at times that is way I put the fan on it when it was in my basement. I am going to put the meter on it to see where the uA are at for the RX and TX. The repeater has been moved 3 time and has not been check for alignment. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Andrew G. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Bob, Sounds like there's a problem with your Arcom controller (RC-210 I guess?). I've had mine bug out a few times where something similiar would occur, but it usually corrected itself after being reset. Could be firmware or a bad programming string somewhere... As far as the open squelch noise goes, thats something I've never encountered. I run 3 CLB UHF Stations and a CXB 900MHz Station with no cooling on the control tray and this hasn't happened on any of them. Is the white noise appearing in the hangtime only with no cor activity on the RX? Does this still happen when you run the MSF with the internal controller? Andy KC2GOW P.S. We can fight over the legality of the time announcement on repeaters on another thread...hahaha --- In Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours and tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone gave me any ides on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the RF tray and station control because it gets to hot and when it TX it sounds like it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater world. The repeater is working fine other then that. Thanks Bob kd7ikz echolink 216767 __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
Which that are you referring to??? What book did you look in? Please be more specific. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking in the book and did not find that. Were did you find that at? Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Watch how it drifts when the station cools off or heats up. While the VCO may lock between, say, 20 and 40, the book recommends 38uA so it has some room to swing. You can adjust the tuning and see how high and low you can go before the green LED goes out, then tune it in the middle. As long as it stays locked, you're OK. Long-term drift should be 2-4uA. If the tuning is erratic or the meter jumps around as you slowly adjust the tuning slug, you'll have to pull the VCO, pull the tuning slug, clean all the metal filings off the threads and inside the VCO, put it all back together, make sure the thin nut is tight so the tuning slug requires a bit of erfort to tune, and readjust it. Everything should tune smoothly with no jumps on the meter. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob I put the panel on and the RX was at 48uA and the TX was at 40uA so I put the RX at 40uA. The RX light came back on and it working good for now. I will check it in the morning to see if it is good. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Also make sure the VCO locks are in the OPERATE position. They should be in the TRANSIT or LOCKED position if/when the station is moved. This won't affect the problems your having, but it will allow the VCOs to pick up noise from anything mechanical outside the station, like fans or rotating machinery. The control tray should be slightly warm. Heat would be generated on the IPA/REG board in the center rear; nothing else should create noticeable heat. The only item that needed the fan was the PA/PS assembly at the top. The fans were usually mounted between those and the control tray. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I don't thing that it is the controll because the RX tray hot very HOT at times that is way I put the fan on it when it was in my basement. I am going to put the meter on it to see where the uA are at for the RX and TX. The repeater has been moved 3 time and has not been check for alignment. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Andrew G. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Bob, Sounds like there's a problem with your Arcom controller (RC-210 I guess?). I've had mine bug out a few times where something similiar would occur, but it usually corrected itself after being reset. Could be firmware or a bad programming string somewhere... As far as the open squelch noise goes, thats something I've never encountered. I run 3 CLB UHF Stations and a CXB 900MHz Station with no cooling on the control tray and this hasn't happened on any of them. Is the white noise appearing in the hangtime only with no cor activity on the RX? Does this still happen when you run the MSF with the internal controller? Andy KC2GOW P.S. We can fight over the legality of the time announcement on repeaters on another thread...hahaha --- In Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours and tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone gave me any ides on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the RF tray and station control because it gets to hot and when it TX it sounds like it has a open squelch.I am new
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
Were did you find in the book recommends 38uA. I can not find. I have the instruction manual. Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Which that are you referring to??? What book did you look in? Please be more specific. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking in the book and did not find that. Were did you find that at? Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Watch how it drifts when the station cools off or heats up. While the VCO may lock between, say, 20 and 40, the book recommends 38uA so it has some room to swing. You can adjust the tuning and see how high and low you can go before the green LED goes out, then tune it in the middle. As long as it stays locked, you're OK. Long-term drift should be 2-4uA. If the tuning is erratic or the meter jumps around as you slowly adjust the tuning slug, you'll have to pull the VCO, pull the tuning slug, clean all the metal filings off the threads and inside the VCO, put it all back together, make sure the thin nut is tight so the tuning slug requires a bit of erfort to tune, and readjust it. Everything should tune smoothly with no jumps on the meter. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob I put the panel on and the RX was at 48uA and the TX was at 40uA so I put the RX at 40uA. The RX light came back on and it working good for now. I will check it in the morning to see if it is good. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Also make sure the VCO locks are in the OPERATE position. They should be in the TRANSIT or LOCKED position if/when the station is moved. This won't affect the problems your having, but it will allow the VCOs to pick up noise from anything mechanical outside the station, like fans or rotating machinery. The control tray should be slightly warm. Heat would be generated on the IPA/REG board in the center rear; nothing else should create noticeable heat. The only item that needed the fan was the PA/PS assembly at the top. The fans were usually mounted between those and the control tray. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I don't thing that it is the controll because the RX tray hot very HOT at times that is way I put the fan on it when it was in my basement. I am going to put the meter on it to see where the uA are at for the RX and TX. The repeater has been moved 3 time and has not been check for alignment. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Andrew G. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Bob, Sounds like there's a problem with your Arcom controller (RC-210 I guess?). I've had mine bug out a few times where something similiar would occur, but it usually corrected itself after being reset. Could be firmware or a bad programming string somewhere... As far as the open squelch noise goes, thats something I've never encountered. I run 3 CLB UHF Stations and a CXB 900MHz Station with no cooling on the control tray and this hasn't happened on any of them. Is the white noise appearing in the hangtime only with no cor activity on the RX? Does this still happen when you run the MSF with the internal controller? Andy KC2GOW P.S. We can fight over the legality of the time announcement on repeaters on another thread...hahaha --- In Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
Bob I found it. I looked right over it. Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Which that are you referring to??? What book did you look in? Please be more specific. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking in the book and did not find that. Were did you find that at? Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Watch how it drifts when the station cools off or heats up. While the VCO may lock between, say, 20 and 40, the book recommends 38uA so it has some room to swing. You can adjust the tuning and see how high and low you can go before the green LED goes out, then tune it in the middle. As long as it stays locked, you're OK. Long-term drift should be 2-4uA. If the tuning is erratic or the meter jumps around as you slowly adjust the tuning slug, you'll have to pull the VCO, pull the tuning slug, clean all the metal filings off the threads and inside the VCO, put it all back together, make sure the thin nut is tight so the tuning slug requires a bit of erfort to tune, and readjust it. Everything should tune smoothly with no jumps on the meter. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob I put the panel on and the RX was at 48uA and the TX was at 40uA so I put the RX at 40uA. The RX light came back on and it working good for now. I will check it in the morning to see if it is good. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Bob M. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Also make sure the VCO locks are in the OPERATE position. They should be in the TRANSIT or LOCKED position if/when the station is moved. This won't affect the problems your having, but it will allow the VCOs to pick up noise from anything mechanical outside the station, like fans or rotating machinery. The control tray should be slightly warm. Heat would be generated on the IPA/REG board in the center rear; nothing else should create noticeable heat. The only item that needed the fan was the PA/PS assembly at the top. The fans were usually mounted between those and the control tray. Bob M. == --- Bob Luttrull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I don't thing that it is the controll because the RX tray hot very HOT at times that is way I put the fan on it when it was in my basement. I am going to put the meter on it to see where the uA are at for the RX and TX. The repeater has been moved 3 time and has not been check for alignment. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Andrew G. To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB Bob, Sounds like there's a problem with your Arcom controller (RC-210 I guess?). I've had mine bug out a few times where something similiar would occur, but it usually corrected itself after being reset. Could be firmware or a bad programming string somewhere... As far as the open squelch noise goes, thats something I've never encountered. I run 3 CLB UHF Stations and a CXB 900MHz Station with no cooling on the control tray and this hasn't happened on any of them. Is the white noise appearing in the hangtime only with no cor activity on the RX? Does this still happen when you run the MSF with the internal controller? Andy KC2GOW P.S. We can fight over the legality of the time announcement on repeaters on another thread...hahaha --- In Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com, kd7ikz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
My understanding of the current rules is that would be classified as broadcasting also. Announcements of any sort, including IDs, must be associated with repeater receiver activity. If the receiver has been inactive, the transmitter should be as well. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it IDs at the same time, is that OK? What about repeaters that send a beacon out every 30 minutes? These are all being generated by the controller at the repeater site, and if these transmissions have been authorized by the trustee and/or control ops, it seems to be an allowed transmission, annoying (to some) as it may be. Bob M. == --- Tony L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you've programmed the repeater to make time announcements even when there in no activity on the receiver, you are in violation of FCC rules that prohibit broadcasting. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, kd7ikz kd7ikz@ wrote: Hi All I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours and tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone gave me any ides on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the RF tray and station control because it gets to hot and when it TX it sounds like it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater world. The repeater is working fine other then that. Thanks Bob kd7ikz echolink 216767 __ __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CLB
My understanding of the current rules is that would be classified as broadcasting also. Announcements of any sort, including IDs, must be associated with repeater receiver activity. If the receiver has been inactive, the transmitter should be as well. That seems to be the FCC's view. Note the closing paragraph of the following: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/AmateurActions/files/BEDNA07_05_25_1078.pdf --- Jeff
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh wrote: Rod! It has arrived!!! I will take some physical measurements and post to the group. Measure the coax length from the tip of one center pin to the other. :c) -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
You'll find photos of exactly that measurement for both the green and yellow cables in the MSF Photo Tour, although they're not visibly accurate to 1/8 inch. Bob M. == --- Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh wrote: Rod! It has arrived!!! I will take some physical measurements and post to the group. Measure the coax length from the tip of one center pin to the other. :c) -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
The stock MSF brain was designed for commercial use and runs the IDer every 15 minutes. If that parameter was changeable the unit would be legal under the amateur rules only as long as you had a way to remotely shut it off (maybe a digital output from the controller on another repeater at the same site?). The MSF brain is also very inflexible - you can't change the IDer content, tone frequency, etc. For example, one local repeater announces the AC power failure by speaking Main Power Fail when the AC goes away, tags a BATT to the end of the regular IDer, and shortens the normal carrier delay (hang-in timer) from 2 seconds to 1 second. Personally, I'd set up the MSF as a full duplex continuous duty base station with no internal IDer and interface an Arcom, NHRC, S-com, CAT or a RLC into the unit and let it handle the control, repeat audio, IDer, etc (just like it was designed to). Everybody has a controller they love, and in some people it's a topic that gets as passionate as religion. Some people like Link (RLC), others like Arcom, Scom, NHRC or ACC, others homebrew theirs. Others buy one and then rewrite the firmware (like on a Palomar Telcom). I think my next purchase is going to be an ICS Linker controller (surprisingly cheap for what you get) and do some experimenting with it. Everyone I've talked to love them, one guy I know has bought five, and I'd like to get some hands-on experience with them. I've used a repeater that has one in it (a GE M2) and the audio sounds absolutely great (if the carrier delay and IDer wasn't there you'd think it was simplex). Mike WA6ILQ. At 08:05 PM 11/26/07, you wrote: What do you need a cwid circuit for? Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh wrote: Rod! It has arrived!!! I will take some physical measurements and post to the group. I still have to get the eproms programmed, filters tuned, and figure out a CW ID circuit for my call every TEN minutes during useage. Piece of Cake! Everything else is functioning, hopefully on the air by the first week in January! I will advise when I get this machine online. Thank You Rod, again, for all your support. Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. also send their Thanks. '73 Charlie Kc5ozh It is not the class of license the Amateur holds, but the class of the Amateur that holds the license. Charles Mumphrey Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh Repeater System: Rowlett Main: 441.325 MHz + 162.2 Dallas: 441.950 MHz + 162.2 Rowlett II: 441.950 MHz + 110.9 Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. Unit 823 http://www.CharliesElectronics.com http://www.CharliesElectronics.com Original Message Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:rrath%40charter.net Date: Wed, November 14, 2007 11:36 pm To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:rrath%40charter.net Hello to the Group! I have seen this subject come up many times here on our list. Now, looks like I am in need also! I have acquired an analog MSF-5000 with a missing TEE Cable. I plan on using one antenna for this repeater, and hook back original to the internal filter/duplexer and receiver. I was wondering if anyone has had efficient results with making a replacement Combining TLE5732A TEE Cable, instead of paying Mama Mo the suggested retail 214 dollars for one of the 16, NOS, they have left. Let me look in my stuff, I think I saw one the other day. I will get back with you tomorrow. If I do have one its yours. Rod kc7vqr -- Jay Urish W5GM ARRL Life MemberDenton County ARRL VEC N5ERS VP/Trustee Monitoring 444.850 PL-88.5 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
I seem to recall that the suitcase programmer allowed me to set id time at 10min. Content is also adjustable..How else would you put your callsign in? Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: The stock MSF brain was designed for commercial use and runs the IDer every 15 minutes. If that parameter was changeable the unit would be legal under the amateur rules only as long as you had a way to remotely shut it off (maybe a digital output from the controller on another repeater at the same site?). The MSF brain is also very inflexible - you can't change the IDer content, tone frequency, etc. For example, one local repeater announces the AC power failure by speaking Main Power Fail when the AC goes away, tags a BATT to the end of the regular IDer, and shortens the normal carrier delay (hang-in timer) from 2 seconds to 1 second. Personally, I'd set up the MSF as a full duplex continuous duty base station with no internal IDer and interface an Arcom, NHRC, S-com, CAT or a RLC into the unit and let it handle the control, repeat audio, IDer, etc (just like it was designed to). Everybody has a controller they love, and in some people it's a topic that gets as passionate as religion. Some people like Link (RLC), others like Arcom, Scom, NHRC or ACC, others homebrew theirs. Others buy one and then rewrite the firmware (like on a Palomar Telcom). I think my next purchase is going to be an ICS Linker controller (surprisingly cheap for what you get) and do some experimenting with it. Everyone I've talked to love them, one guy I know has bought five, and I'd like to get some hands-on experience with them. I've used a repeater that has one in it (a GE M2) and the audio sounds absolutely great (if the carrier delay and IDer wasn't there you'd think it was simplex). Mike WA6ILQ. At 08:05 PM 11/26/07, you wrote: What do you need a cwid circuit for? Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh wrote: Rod! It has arrived!!! I will take some physical measurements and post to the group. I still have to get the eproms programmed, filters tuned, and figure out a CW ID circuit for my call every TEN minutes during useage. Piece of Cake! Everything else is functioning, hopefully on the air by the first week in January! I will advise when I get this machine online. Thank You Rod, again, for all your support. Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. also send their Thanks. '73 Charlie Kc5ozh It is not the class of license the Amateur holds, but the class of the Amateur that holds the license. Charles Mumphrey Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh Repeater System: Rowlett Main: 441.325 MHz + 162.2 Dallas: 441.950 MHz + 162.2 Rowlett II: 441.950 MHz + 110.9 Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. Unit 823 http://www.CharliesElectronics.com http://www.CharliesElectronics.com http://www.CharliesElectronics.com http://www.CharliesElectronics.com Original Message Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:rrath%40charter.net mailto:rrath%40charter.net Date: Wed, November 14, 2007 11:36 pm To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:rrath%40charter.net mailto:rrath%40charter.net Hello to the Group! I have seen this subject come up many times here on our list. Now, looks like I am in need also! I have acquired an analog MSF-5000 with a missing TEE Cable. I plan on using one antenna for this repeater, and hook back original to the internal filter/duplexer and receiver. I was wondering if anyone has had efficient results with making a replacement Combining TLE5732A TEE Cable, instead of paying Mama Mo the suggested retail 214 dollars for one of the 16, NOS, they have left. Let me look in my stuff, I think I saw one the other day. I will get back with you tomorrow. If I do have one its yours. Rod kc7vqr -- Jay Urish W5GM ARRL Life Member Denton County ARRL VEC N5ERS VP/Trustee Monitoring 444.850 PL-88.5 Yahoo! Groups Links -- Jay Urish W5GM ARRL Life MemberDenton County ARRL VEC N5ERS VP/Trustee Monitoring 444.850 PL-88.5
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
As with many Mot rig software and programming software some have hacked it to change thing like making rigs go into the Ham bands when Mot would not (must state this is often because the rigs were not type accepted for these out of band ops and I personally do not like using equipment not intended for such, but sometimes is the only way). What is the CPU in the MSF5000 controller??? I would think a Mot, but may have a in house number on it. Mot's CPUs usually started with a 6 such as 6800 (very old, but still good 8 bitter), 68701 with internal EPROM/RAM, etc. If known might be able to hack to change some of these parameters. These parameters still might be in code plug, just not changable by Mot programming box. I'd do it this way...makes changes for the engineers easier...never know where some of these things are going. I know here we do not wish to give out Mot or other software so hope not violating a board policy here. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/11/27 Tue AM 08:15:35 CST To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable These are the only parameter areas/values that can be programmed via the R1800/1801 suitcase programmer for the MSF5000: 1) Number of Channels 10) Auto ID Call Signs 2) RF Frequency Info 11) Alarm Tones Routing 3) Coded Squelch Info 12) DC Remote Currents 4) P-T-T Timeout Timer 13) MUXBUS Power-Up 5) Repeater Drop-Out Delay 14) Spectra-TAC Info 6) P-T-T Priority Info 15) MCS Station Info 7) Repeater Control16) RA Station Info 8) Receiver Control17) Wire Line Duplex 9) TX Audio / Data Mixing Obviously the CW ID callsign is programmable, but the tone frequency, speed, and ID period are fixed values inside the program EPROM, not the code plug EPROM. With the RSS-programmed stations, you get to choose the callsign, the tone frequency, the CW ID speed, the ID period, holdoff time, etc. Bob M. == --- Jay Urish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to recall that the suitcase programmer allowed me to set id time at 10min. Content is also adjustable..How else would you put your callsign in? Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: The stock MSF brain was designed for commercial use and runs the IDer every 15 minutes. If that parameter was changeable the unit would be legal under the amateur rules only as long as you had a way to remotely shut it off (maybe a digital output from the controller on another repeater at the same site?). The MSF brain is also very inflexible - you can't change the IDer content, tone frequency, etc. For example, one local repeater announces the AC power failure by speaking Main Power Fail when the AC goes away, tags a BATT to the end of the regular IDer, and shortens the normal carrier delay (hang-in timer) from 2 seconds to 1 second. Personally, I'd set up the MSF as a full duplex continuous duty base station with no internal IDer and interface an Arcom, NHRC, S-com, CAT or a RLC into the unit and let it handle the control, repeat audio, IDer, etc (just like it was designed to). Everybody has a controller they love, and in some people it's a topic that gets as passionate as religion. Some people like Link (RLC), others like Arcom, Scom, NHRC or ACC, others homebrew theirs. Others buy one and then rewrite the firmware (like on a Palomar Telcom). I think my next purchase is going to be an ICS Linker controller (surprisingly cheap for what you get) and do some experimenting with it. Everyone I've talked to love them, one guy I know has bought five, and I'd like to get some hands-on experience with them. I've used a repeater that has one in it (a GE M2) and the audio sounds absolutely great (if the carrier delay and IDer wasn't there you'd think it was simplex). Mike WA6ILQ. At 08:05 PM 11/26/07, you wrote: What do you need a cwid circuit for? Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh wrote: Rod! It has arrived!!! I will take some physical measurements and post to the group. I still have to get the eproms programmed, filters tuned, and figure out a CW ID circuit for my call every TEN minutes during useage. Piece of Cake! Everything else is functioning, hopefully on the air by the first week in January! I will advise when I get this machine online. Thank You Rod, again, for all your support. Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. also send their Thanks. '73 Charlie Kc5ozh It is not the class of license the Amateur holds, but the class of the Amateur that holds the license. Charles Mumphrey Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh Repeater System: Rowlett Main: 441.325 MHz + 162.2 Dallas: 441.950 MHz + 162.2 Rowlett II: 441.950 MHz + 110.9 Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. Unit 823 http://www.CharliesElectronics.com http
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
The analog MSF5000s used MC6803 microprocessors in just about everything: the station itself, the tone remote control card, the MCS unit, etc. Yes, you probably can wade through 8kbytes of program space plus 4kbytes of code plug space and find the data that controls the CW ID speed etc. More power to ya. You can also hack the computer in your car to keep it from shifting out of first gear until you reach 99 miles per hour. Very few people have access to the source code for these systems, much less the ability to make such changes, so all the rest of us can do is live with what we have and work around it. Bob M. == --- Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As with many Mot rig software and programming software some have hacked it to change thing like making rigs go into the Ham bands when Mot would not (must state this is often because the rigs were not type accepted for these out of band ops and I personally do not like using equipment not intended for such, but sometimes is the only way). What is the CPU in the MSF5000 controller??? I would think a Mot, but may have a in house number on it. Mot's CPUs usually started with a 6 such as 6800 (very old, but still good 8 bitter), 68701 with internal EPROM/RAM, etc. If known might be able to hack to change some of these parameters. These parameters still might be in code plug, just not changable by Mot programming box. I'd do it this way...makes changes for the engineers easier...never know where some of these things are going. I know here we do not wish to give out Mot or other software so hope not violating a board policy here. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/11/27 Tue AM 08:15:35 CST To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable These are the only parameter areas/values that can be programmed via the R1800/1801 suitcase programmer for the MSF5000: 1) Number of Channels10) Auto ID Call Signs 2) RF Frequency Info 11) Alarm Tones Routing 3) Coded Squelch Info12) DC Remote Currents 4) P-T-T Timeout Timer 13) MUXBUS Power-Up 5) Repeater Drop-Out Delay 14) Spectra-TAC Info 6) P-T-T Priority Info 15) MCS Station Info 7) Repeater Control 16) RA Station Info 8) Receiver Control 17) Wire Line Duplex 9) TX Audio / Data Mixing Obviously the CW ID callsign is programmable, but the tone frequency, speed, and ID period are fixed values inside the program EPROM, not the code plug EPROM. With the RSS-programmed stations, you get to choose the callsign, the tone frequency, the CW ID speed, the ID period, holdoff time, etc. Bob M. == --- Jay Urish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to recall that the suitcase programmer allowed me to set id time at 10min. Content is also adjustable..How else would you put your callsign in? Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: The stock MSF brain was designed for commercial use and runs the IDer every 15 minutes. If that parameter was changeable the unit would be legal under the amateur rules only as long as you had a way to remotely shut it off (maybe a digital output from the controller on another repeater at the same site?). The MSF brain is also very inflexible - you can't change the IDer content, tone frequency, etc. For example, one local repeater announces the AC power failure by speaking Main Power Fail when the AC goes away, tags a BATT to the end of the regular IDer, and shortens the normal carrier delay (hang-in timer) from 2 seconds to 1 second. Personally, I'd set up the MSF as a full duplex continuous duty base station with no internal IDer and interface an Arcom, NHRC, S-com, CAT or a RLC into the unit and let it handle the control, repeat audio, IDer, etc (just like it was designed to). Everybody has a controller they love, and in some people it's a topic that gets as passionate as religion. Some people like Link (RLC), others like Arcom, Scom, NHRC or ACC, others homebrew theirs. Others buy one and then rewrite the firmware (like on a Palomar Telcom). I think my next purchase is going to be an ICS Linker controller (surprisingly cheap for what you get) and do some experimenting with it. Everyone I've talked to love them, one guy I know has bought five, and I'd like to get some hands-on experience with them. I've used a repeater that has one in it (a GE M2) and the audio sounds absolutely great (if the carrier delay and IDer wasn't there you'd think it was simplex). Mike WA6ILQ. At 08:05 PM 11/26/07, you wrote: What do you need a cwid circuit for? Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh wrote: Rod! It has arrived!!! I will take some physical measurements and post to the group. I still have
Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
Bob, Yes most cannot do this or at least do not have the tools, but some do. A 6803 debugger would convert the op code to at least mnemonics and source code although labels and variables would not be identified. It would take some work to see what is going on, but is doable. A typical programmer would recognize for the most part what is going on. Also if some of the data is read often one can determine what it is knowing what the control does. Such as knowing the ID timer is 15 minutes would be a clue. It could be useful for some. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/11/27 Tue AM 10:28:52 CST To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable The analog MSF5000s used MC6803 microprocessors in just about everything: the station itself, the tone remote control card, the MCS unit, etc. Yes, you probably can wade through 8kbytes of program space plus 4kbytes of code plug space and find the data that controls the CW ID speed etc. More power to ya. You can also hack the computer in your car to keep it from shifting out of first gear until you reach 99 miles per hour. Very few people have access to the source code for these systems, much less the ability to make such changes, so all the rest of us can do is live with what we have and work around it. Bob M. == --- Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As with many Mot rig software and programming software some have hacked it to change thing like making rigs go into the Ham bands when Mot would not (must state this is often because the rigs were not type accepted for these out of band ops and I personally do not like using equipment not intended for such, but sometimes is the only way). What is the CPU in the MSF5000 controller??? I would think a Mot, but may have a in house number on it. Mot's CPUs usually started with a 6 such as 6800 (very old, but still good 8 bitter), 68701 with internal EPROM/RAM, etc. If known might be able to hack to change some of these parameters. These parameters still might be in code plug, just not changable by Mot programming box. I'd do it this way...makes changes for the engineers easier...never know where some of these things are going. I know here we do not wish to give out Mot or other software so hope not violating a board policy here. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/11/27 Tue AM 08:15:35 CST To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable These are the only parameter areas/values that can be programmed via the R1800/1801 suitcase programmer for the MSF5000: 1) Number of Channels 10) Auto ID Call Signs 2) RF Frequency Info11) Alarm Tones Routing 3) Coded Squelch Info 12) DC Remote Currents 4) P-T-T Timeout Timer 13) MUXBUS Power-Up 5) Repeater Drop-Out Delay 14) Spectra-TAC Info 6) P-T-T Priority Info 15) MCS Station Info 7) Repeater Control 16) RA Station Info 8) Receiver Control 17) Wire Line Duplex 9) TX Audio / Data Mixing Obviously the CW ID callsign is programmable, but the tone frequency, speed, and ID period are fixed values inside the program EPROM, not the code plug EPROM. With the RSS-programmed stations, you get to choose the callsign, the tone frequency, the CW ID speed, the ID period, holdoff time, etc. Bob M. == --- Jay Urish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to recall that the suitcase programmer allowed me to set id time at 10min. Content is also adjustable..How else would you put your callsign in? Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: The stock MSF brain was designed for commercial use and runs the IDer every 15 minutes. If that parameter was changeable the unit would be legal under the amateur rules only as long as you had a way to remotely shut it off (maybe a digital output from the controller on another repeater at the same site?). The MSF brain is also very inflexible - you can't change the IDer content, tone frequency, etc. For example, one local repeater announces the AC power failure by speaking Main Power Fail when the AC goes away, tags a BATT to the end of the regular IDer, and shortens the normal carrier delay (hang-in timer) from 2 seconds to 1 second. Personally, I'd set up the MSF as a full duplex continuous duty base station with no internal IDer and interface an Arcom, NHRC, S-com, CAT or a RLC into the unit and let it handle the control, repeat audio, IDer, etc (just like it was designed to). Everybody has a controller they love, and in some people it's a topic that gets as passionate as religion. Some people like Link (RLC), others like Arcom, Scom, NHRC or ACC, others homebrew theirs. Others buy one and then rewrite the firmware (like
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
At 05:02 AM 11/27/07, you wrote: I seem to recall that the suitcase programmer allowed me to set id time at 10min. Not according to the info available to me. Content is also adjustable..How else would you put your callsign in? I was referring to dynamic content - like adding (word space)BATT to the IDer under outside control. The system I was referring to in my previous message operates their system from the site battery bank, and uses a wall wart that delivers around 14vDC with no load. They have a trimpot across it which is set to deliver just about 12vDC out with 120vAC in, and it's fed to an analog input. This gives them a pretty good readout of the AC voltage into the system. An alarm threshold at 6v is used as an indication of power failure. Another digital input is wired to dry contacts on a magnetic door switch on the site building entry door, and triggers a DVR track (it plays the Intruder Alert WAV file from an old video game) when triggered, and changes the stock courtesy beep (a Morse E) to a Morse I until reset. Yes, there was a power failure option for an MSF, but the brain in an MSF station was not designed to do the kind of tricks that the average ham comes up with. It was designed for Maximum System Flexibility (hence the marketing name) in the commercial and public safety world and to be as reliable as a 250 pound anvil. Hence my comment that using the MSF as a continuous duty duplex base and adding a n amateur radio repeater controller delivers Maximum System Flexibility for the repeater owner... Mike WA6ILQ Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: The stock MSF brain was designed for commercial use and runs the IDer every 15 minutes. If that parameter was changeable the unit would be legal under the amateur rules only as long as you had a way to remotely shut it off (maybe a digital output from the controller on another repeater at the same site?). The MSF brain is also very inflexible - you can't change the IDer content, tone frequency, etc. For example, one local repeater announces the AC power failure by speaking Main Power Fail when the AC goes away, tags a BATT to the end of the regular IDer, and shortens the normal carrier delay (hang-in timer) from 2 seconds to 1 second. Personally, I'd set up the MSF as a full duplex continuous duty base station with no internal IDer and interface an Arcom, NHRC, S-com, CAT or a RLC into the unit and let it handle the control, repeat audio, IDer, etc (just like it was designed to). Everybody has a controller they love, and in some people it's a topic that gets as passionate as religion. Some people like Link (RLC), others like Arcom, Scom, NHRC or ACC, others homebrew theirs. Others buy one and then rewrite the firmware (like on a Palomar Telcom). I think my next purchase is going to be an ICS Linker controller (surprisingly cheap for what you get) and do some experimenting with it. Everyone I've talked to love them, one guy I know has bought five, and I'd like to get some hands-on experience with them. I've used a repeater that has one in it (a GE M2) and the audio sounds absolutely great (if the carrier delay and IDer wasn't there you'd think it was simplex). Mike WA6ILQ.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
Rod! It has arrived!!! I will take some physical measurements and post to the group. I still have to get the eproms programmed, filters tuned, and figure out a CW ID circuit for my call every TEN minutes during useage. Piece of Cake! Everything else is functioning, hopefully on the air by the first week in January! I will advise when I get this machine online. Thank You Rod, again, for all your support. Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. also send their Thanks. '73 Charlie Kc5ozh It is not the class of license the Amateur holds, but the class of the Amateur that holds the license. Charles Mumphrey Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh Repeater System: Rowlett Main: 441.325 MHz + 162.2 Dallas: 441.950 MHz + 162.2 Rowlett II: 441.950 MHz + 110.9 Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. Unit 823 http://www.CharliesElectronics.com Original Message Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, November 14, 2007 11:36 pm To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello to the Group! I have seen this subject come up many times here on our list. Now, looks like I am in need also! I have acquired an analog MSF-5000 with a missing TEE Cable. I plan on using one antenna for this repeater, and hook back original to the internal filter/duplexer and receiver. I was wondering if anyone has had efficient results with making a replacement Combining TLE5732A TEE Cable, instead of paying Mama Mo the suggested retail 214 dollars for one of the 16, NOS, they have left. Let me look in my stuff, I think I saw one the other day. I will get back with you tomorrow. If I do have one its yours. Rod kc7vqr
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
What do you need a cwid circuit for?
Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh wrote:
Rod!
It has arrived!!!
I will take some physical measurements and post to the group. I still
have to get the eproms programmed, filters tuned, and figure out a CW ID
circuit for my call every TEN minutes during useage. Piece of Cake!
Everything else is functioning, hopefully on the air by the first week
in January! I will advise when I get this machine online.
Thank You Rod, again, for all your support. Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. also send
their Thanks.
'73 Charlie Kc5ozh
It is not the class of license the Amateur holds, but the class of the
Amateur that holds the license.
Charles Mumphrey
Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh
Repeater System:
Rowlett Main: 441.325 MHz + 162.2
Dallas: 441.950 MHz + 162.2
Rowlett II: 441.950 MHz + 110.9
Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. Unit 823
http://www.CharliesElectronics.com http://www.CharliesElectronics.com
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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
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Date: Wed, November 14, 2007 11:36 pm
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Hello to the Group!
I have seen this subject come up many times here on our list. Now,
looks like I am in need also! I have acquired an analog MSF-5000 with a
missing TEE Cable. I plan on using one antenna for this repeater, and
hook back original to the internal filter/duplexer and receiver. I was
wondering if anyone has had efficient results with making a replacement
Combining TLE5732A TEE Cable, instead of paying Mama Mo the suggested
retail 214 dollars for one of the 16, NOS, they have left.
Let me look in my stuff, I think I saw one the other day. I will get
back with
you tomorrow. If I do have one its yours.
Rod kc7vqr
--
Jay Urish W5GM
ARRL Life MemberDenton County ARRL VEC
N5ERS VP/Trustee
Monitoring 444.850 PL-88.5
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
Don't forget, 20 WPM max. :) Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh wrote: and figure out a CW ID circuit for my call every TEN minutes during useage. Piece of Cake!
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 900mhz MSF-5000 for sale..
They're worth a lot less than that without a model number specified in the offer. Bob M. == --- kg4gaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 5 MSF-5000 900mhz repeaters to sale. I dont know alot about the MSF models but do feel they are worth about $500 each. I do know they have 2 150w PA in each cabinet. There is a controller and some other hardware in each. The units are pick-up only because they are about 300lbs each. I have pictures i can e-mail if someone is interested. I'm located in western NC. thanks Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 900mhz MSF-5000 for sale..
You may want to give out the p/n of the units, so that one can tell if they are the analog (CLB) or digital (CXB) programmable units. I have the high-power (150w) 896 MHz trunking repeater (C85GFB5203AT) and it was easy to modify to the 900 MHz ham band. The repeater-builder website (www.repeater-builder.com, guides you through the steps to make it into a 900 MHz ham repeater, with external controller. Bob M. did an outstanding job on this write-up and it worked the first time. Roger W5RD 927.1125 Dallas, Texas From: kg4gaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/11/14 Wed AM 08:43:26 CST To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 900mhz MSF-5000 for sale.. I have 5 MSF-5000 900mhz repeaters to sale. I dont know alot about the MSF models but do feel they are worth about $500 each. I do know they have 2 150w PA in each cabinet. There is a controller and some other hardware in each. The units are pick-up only because they are about 300lbs each. I have pictures i can e-mail if someone is interested. I'm located in western NC. thanks Roger White Murphy, Texas
[Repeater-Builder] 900mhz MSF-5000 for sale..
I have 5 MSF-5000 900mhz repeaters to sale. I dont know alot about the MSF models but do feel they are worth about $500 each. I do know they have 2 150w PA in each cabinet. There is a controller and some other hardware in each. The units are pick-up only because they are about 300lbs each. I have pictures i can e-mail if someone is interested. I'm located in western NC. thanks
[Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
Hello to the Group! I have seen this subject come up many times here on our list. Now, looks like I am in need also! I have acquired an analog MSF-5000 with a missing TEE Cable. I plan on using one antenna for this repeater, and hook back original to the internal filter/duplexer and receiver. I was wondering if anyone has had efficient results with making a replacement Combining TLE5732A TEE Cable, instead of paying Mama Mo the suggested retail 214 dollars for one of the 16, NOS, they have left. Repeater-Builder shows approximate wavelengths for TX and RX legs of this cable, any idea on the T box splice? Shielded, close connect as possible! No caps.? Or, any used one for sale? Thank You all for for your time and resources! Charlie It is not the class of license the Amateur holds, but the class of the Amateur that holds the license. Charles Mumphrey Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh Repeater System: Rowlett Main: 441.325 MHz + 162.2 Dallas: 441.950 MHz + 162.2 Rowlett II: 441.950 MHz + 110.9 Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. Unit 823 http://www.CharliesElectronics.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
Hello to the Group! I have seen this subject come up many times here on our list. Now, looks like I am in need also! I have acquired an analog MSF-5000 with a missing TEE Cable. I plan on using one antenna for this repeater, and hook back original to the internal filter/duplexer and receiver. I was wondering if anyone has had efficient results with making a replacement Combining TLE5732A TEE Cable, instead of paying Mama Mo the suggested retail 214 dollars for one of the 16, NOS, they have left. Let me look in my stuff, I think I saw one the other day. I will get back with you tomorrow. If I do have one its yours. Rod kc7vqr
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
On Nov 14, 2007, at 10:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to the Group! I have seen this subject come up many times here on our list. Now, looks like I am in need also! I have acquired an analog MSF-5000 with a missing TEE Cable. I plan on using one antenna for this repeater, and hook back original to the internal filter/duplexer and receiver. I was wondering if anyone has had efficient results with making a replacement Combining TLE5732A TEE Cable, instead of paying Mama Mo the suggested retail 214 dollars for one of the 16, NOS, they have left. Let me look in my stuff, I think I saw one the other day. I will get back with you tomorrow. If I do have one its yours. Rod kc7vqr The green tee was less popular in commercial and government service, and is therefore a bit harder to come by, but they're very appreciated by hams in a high-out/low-in UHF areas of the country. I know of at least two repeater owners in the local area here looking for green tee cable harnesses for their MSF-5000's who don't want to pay Motorola's rediculous pricing for them. Sounds like Moto is about to run out if they're down to 16 in stock (if I read that right) so it sure would be great if someone would measure one and take lots of photos, perhaps... for those who would like to try to homebrew one. It's fairly simple to remove them and put a real duplexer inline, but with the right tee those repeaters seem to do a great job without much duplexer... kinda nice if you can find the right one for your specific frequency/application... or so I hear. (I have no MSF-5000's of my own, being a GE freak.) -- Nate Duehr, WY0X [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 CODEPLUG VERSION ISSUES
Bob, I tried your first idea of reading and writing back to it and BUENO... it worked. Now I can modify it as normal. Strange. Thanks Man, that makes life a whole lot easier now that I don't have to get side tracked with a new problem. Appreciate it! Tom --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sure sounds like you have Version 5 firmware to me. Can you read the existing codeplug, then send it back immediately to the station without doing anything else, i.e. F2, followed by F8? Can you write a blank codeplug to the station? I think CONV3.DEF is the one for system 3 (version 5), but you may have to fill in a few things first, like Tx and Rx frequencies. Try reloading the software from the floppy. Yes I know it's not supposed to change, but you never know. Stuff happens. I have had stations come up with errors after being programmed, from people jamming a V5 codeplug in a V3 firmware station. I just loaded a V3 codeplug into it several times until it took it, then replaced the firmware and started fresh with V5. I don't know if you can blank an MSF5000, much less how to do it. Luckily, even with all kinds of errors, the CPUs usually respond to programming requests. This is a strange one. Bob M. == --- Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm running into a problem trying to program a Digital Capable version of the MSF 5000, UHF Low split version. I can read the codeplug and modify it but when it comes to re-programming back to the station I get an error that reads something like: SSCB Firmware is version # /3 The codeplug you are programming is version # 05. Can not program station. The software version I have is 5.21 and the two versions that flash on the station screen are 5.52 5.41. I've tried the upgrade codeplug version in the RSS but whether it is System version 1,2, or 3 the SSCB/TTRC current vs. change to versions are all set for 5. What am I missing and how do I remedy the situation? Thanks. Tom __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Wanted - MSF-5000 UHF Duplexer Cable
I have a MSF-5000 UHF base station that I want to convert to repeater service, and have all of the components needed other than the TEE cable that connects the transmit filter / receiver / antenna. Motorola P/N TLE5732A, should have a green color stripe on it. Thanks and Merry Christmas Andy -- NC Certified Firefighter III / Instructor II / EMT-A FCC Licensed Technician / Amateur Call NC4AB / Echolink Node 5761 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted - MSF-5000 UHF Duplexer Cable
Andy, If you can't find someone who is willing to give up this essential part, it is available from Motorola Parts. The TLE5732A Duplex Tee is listed on MOL for $167.45- quite a chunk of moolah for a simple harness. Perhaps one of our readers can provide exact measurements of this cable, so that you can fabricate it yourself...? 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Brinkley Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 8:07 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted - MSF-5000 UHF Duplexer Cable I have a MSF-5000 UHF base station that I want to convert to repeater service, and have all of the components needed other than the TEE cable that connects the transmit filter / receiver / antenna. Motorola P/N TLE5732A, should have a green color stripe on it. Thanks and Merry Christmas Andy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted - MSF-5000 UHF Duplexer Cable
They're definitely rare. Not many people pull them out when stripping a station to its component pieces. I have one in a working station. While I could measure it, there's the actual splice box that joins the three pieces of coax, and I don't know if there's anything magical going on inside besides one solder joint. I don't know if it could be duplicated with a common TEE connector. I do know that the leads between the output of the filter/duplexer and the TEE, and the TEE to the antenna jack on the side of the cabinet, are quite short, maybe one or two inches each. The line going to the receiver is much longer as it has to snake its way around and allow the RF tray to slide in and out. The location and color of the band at the splice box determines if the unit is used for tx freq rx freq, or tx freq rx freq, and also the band split: 403-438, 438-470, 470-512. I have a sheet on it somewhere, but it doesn't specify the cable lengths so you could make your own. I doubt the lengths are critical, due to the wide bandspread of the harness. If you don't really need the internal filter/duplexer, you might be better off with an external Bp/Br duplexer; at least it wouldn't need that expensive TEE cable. For the cost of buying a new cable from Motorola, you could almost buy a decent external duplexer. Plus the tuning would be a lot easier. Bob M. == --- Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy, If you can't find someone who is willing to give up this essential part, it is available from Motorola Parts. The TLE5732A Duplex Tee is listed on MOL for $167.45 - quite a chunk of moolah for a simple harness. Perhaps one of our readers can provide exact measurements of this cable, so that you can fabricate it yourself...? 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Brinkley Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 8:07 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted - MSF-5000 UHF Duplexer Cable I have a MSF-5000 UHF base station that I want to convert to repeater service, and have all of the components needed other than the TEE cable that connects the transmit filter / receiver / antenna. Motorola P/N TLE5732A, should have a green color stripe on it. Thanks and Merry Christmas Andy __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted - MSF-5000 UHF Duplexer Cable
I have the one on the this UHF MSF5000 if you need the measurements.Mathew Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy,If you can't find someone who is willing to give up this essential part, itis available from Motorola Parts. The TLE5732A "Duplex Tee" is listed onMOL for $167.45- quite a chunk of moolah for a simple harness.Perhaps one of our readers can provide exact measurements of this cable, sothat you can fabricate it yourself...?73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message-From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy BrinkleySent: Friday, December 23, 2005 8:07 AMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ComSubject: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted - MSF-5000 UHF Duplexer CableI have a MSF-5000 UHF base station that I want to convert to repeaterservice, and have all of the components needed other than the "TEE" cablethat connects the transmit filter / receiver / antenna.Motorola P/N TLE5732A, should have a green color stripe on it.Thanks and Merry ChristmasAndyYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 Time-out timer
I use an MSF-5000 as my pre-delay ifb for kfi. It has been keyed on 24/7/365 since the early 90's and the only time out it has is one of the final xstrs gives up every 3 to 5 years. td wb6mie kpk405 kfi am 640 more stimulating talk radio I work for a TV station, and we were planning to use an MSF-5000 to transmit our program audio to field crews. However, our local /\/\ shop tells us that it is not possible to disable the time-out timer, and that the maximum time is 465 seconds. We were thinking more like 35 minutes, not 7, to transmit out the audio during an entire newscast. Any suggestions? Thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 Time-out timer
As the other guy mentioned... just set it to zero. Most TV Station feeds want the unit 100% operational (ie on the air full duplex) at least 20 min before the broadcast and at least another few minutes to knock down after the remote is done. It's not uncommon to see 1/2 hour up before times for radio and tv remotes. Hence the reason they have their own RPU Frequencies. skipp Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 465 seconds is 7.75 Minutes ... I find it rare a TV station can do a news broadcast for more than 5 or 6 minutes without breaking for some damned commercials. Is it possible to completely remove the time-out-timer? Neil McKie Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 Time-out timer
I wish the lone TV station here would transmit their news broadcasts audio on an RPU channel. At least I could hear the local news when I'm not home. Neil skipp025 wrote: As the other guy mentioned... just set it to zero. Most TV Station feeds want the unit 100% operational (ie on the air full duplex) at least 20 min before the broadcast and at least another few minutes to knock down after the remote is done. It's not uncommon to see 1/2 hour up before times for radio and tv remotes. Hence the reason they have their own RPU Frequencies. skipp Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 465 seconds is 7.75 Minutes ... I find it rare a TV station can do a news broadcast for more than 5 or 6 minutes without breaking for some damned commercials. Is it possible to completely remove the time-out-timer? Neil McKie Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 Time-out timer
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, dekk5fm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work for a TV station, and we were planning to use an MSF-5000 to transmit our program audio to field crews. However, our local /\/\ shop tells us that it is not possible to disable the time-out timer, and that the maximum time is 465 seconds. We were thinking more like 35 minutes, not 7, to transmit out the audio during an entire newscast. Any suggestions? Thank you. __ _ Your MSS might want to dig out the MSF RSS manual, 6881125E68, which states in section 5.2.3 Mode Information Fields: If the Time Out Timer field is set to 0, the corresponding PTT will never time out Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 Time-out timer
If memory serves me right, if you set the time out timer to 0 (zero) it will be disabled. At least I think that is the way mine is set up. Charles Miller I work for a TV station, and we were planning to use an MSF-5000 to transmit our program audio to field crews. However, our local /\/\ shop tells us that it is not possible to disable the time-out timer, and that the maximum time is 465 seconds. We were thinking more like 35 minutes, not 7, to transmit out the audio during an entire newscast. Any suggestions? Thank you. __ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: msf 5000 uhf amplifier TLE1713
The TLE 1713A is a Micor 75 Watt PA (450-470Mhz.) If you are wanting to stay in the 20 to 40 watt range for the MSF, here are some model numbers to look for: TTE 1541A/42A single circulator 15 watt PA TTE 1552/A triple circulator 15 watt PA TTE 1521A/22A single circulator 40 watt PA TTE 1532A triple circulator 40 watt PA They did make 6, 75, and 110 watt PA's. The 6 watt was not really a PA, but an isolation network driven by the IPA. The 40 and 110 watt PA's are pretty common and see them on Ebay quite often. You do see the 75's every once in a while. If you get on the Yahoo MSF5000 group and inquire about what you are looking for, you may come up with something. The site never looks real busy, but a lot of us MSF guys view it. I got a PA from someone there once, at a lot better price than what I could do on Ebay. Prices for this stuff on Ebay get grossly inflated. Depends on what you want to pay, and how soon you need it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/msf5000/ Good luck. Gary KB7TRP --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Toby Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IF THE CLUB HAVE THE WORNG AMP ? WHAT IS THE TLE1713 GOOD FOR UHF OR VHF. AND HOW MANY WATTS. WHAT IS THE RIGHT MODEL NUBMER FOR THE AMP WE NEED FOR THE REPEATER. 20 TO 40 WATTS RANGE - Original Message - From: Captainlance [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] msf 5000 uhf amplifier Unfortunately, you have the wrong amp. the TLE1713 is for a Micor repeater, it takes 1.5 watts to fully drive it. Lance N2HBA - Original Message - From: n9fdf_9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] msf 5000 uhf amplifier I been putting together a uhf repeater for the club. i have it working.. but can't seem to get the amp to work. the only thing on print on the amp is TLE1713A does the mean anything??? the repeater is a motorola mfs 5000. i dont know if this was the amp for this repeater or not. this repeater been pass around for years. no one know if it every work or not. HOW MANY WATTS DOES IT TAKE TO DRIVE IT?? DOES ANY ONE HAVE ANY DOC ON IT??? HOW DO I FIND THE MODEL NUBMER. ON IT??? 73 TOBY.. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF 5000 key up delay problem
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, T.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking to see if any one on the list that runs an MSF 5000 has experienced this problem. When I key up this VHF MSF and start counting, the repeater doesn't key up and start retransmitting untill I get to four. So there is about a good two second delay to repeater key up... _ One possible cause of that behavior would be if your station was ever set up for use with a Motorola Spectra-TAC voting system. In such systems the normal repeat audio path is through the voting comparator and back to the station through the wire-line. A station that is set up for Spectra-TAC and is also set up as a repeater has a mode called in-cabinet repeat. Basically what happens is that when the receiver unsquelches, the controller expects to receive a line key command from the voting comparator. If that never comes - the station will eventually key up and repeat in-cabinet. That would exactly account for what you are seeing. If your station does have Spectra-TAC enabled, it would be preferable for you to load a conventional non Spectra-TAC codeplug, however you could go to the Edit Advanced Information page three and try setting the S-Tac Clear Repeater Delay parameter to zero. You can tell if your station has Spectra-TAC enabled by going to the F8 Station Model / Options screen in F4 Change / View. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 analog station programming
Andy did mine. http://www.brinkleyelectronics.com/ Gary KB7TRP --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Berlen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have had a MSF-5000 station donated to replace of of our UHF repeaters. This sation is one of the older analog units that require a PROM to be programmed to change the frequency. Does anyone on the list know of a source to get this done? Also, what options should be set to use the unit with an external controller? Thanks and 73, Kevin, K9HX Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 programming
Hi Kevin, Noting that you have the software and cables, you must have some experience with the MSF. Providing that it is a range #2 UHF (435mhz to 475mhz), they tune down to the ham band quite nicely. A service manual is a must, especially if it is internally duplexed. Those models are very picky in the tune up procedure. The tuning kit that came with the internally duplexed models is pretty much a must. You need the probe to tune the preselecter/duplexer with. (Along with a good service monitor and MSF metering panel) I've known a few MSF owners that have tuned theirs with a make-shift probe, but I'm sure that the performance is not MSF quality! Programming can get complicated (a lot of programmable features), but just take your time and program what you need. The shift key method is needed to get the software to take the ham frequencies. If they are going to use an external contoller it needs to be programmed as a base station. (no R in the receive qualifier) I have two CXB MSF's. (UHF VHF) I've learned most of what I know the hard way along with a few individual's help. I still do not know, by any means, everything about them. I do know that they are built like a tank (lightening being about their only enemy), and when tuned properly, they cannot be beat! Good luck! Gary KB7TRP --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Berlen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the opprutunity to help a group with a UHF MSF-5000 project. I have not yet seen the station, but if it turns out to be a digital capable station that can be programmed via RSS, is there any slight of hand necessary to get down into the 440 ham band? I have the necessary cables and RSS to program this version of the station, but have never attempted to move one down to 440MHz. TIA and 73, Kevin, K9HX Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Was MSF 5000
No, that would be mine! What does that have to do with the subject line anyway? Or are you starting another useless thead like you did on another list. My .02 cents ends here. Adam N2ACF - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Metro-Com Is that the system in or near New York that has repeaters on 10 meters, 6 meters, 2 meters, 220 MHz 440 MHz and they are tied in together so that users talking on HT's on UHF tie up the 10 meter channel during skip conditions? russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP You are going to love 927 Ham! We are having a ball on the Metro-Comm 927 system here in NJ. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS Metro-Comm repeater network. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
