Re: [RE: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]]

2003-11-30 Thread ac0y5
Gee John You're Real close to being right this time.
73
AC0Y


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 WOW!!  Coy said he went with the spectrum because of money.  Now 
this
 offer of a straight trade is one he can't pass up due to the money 
issue!!
 
 Kevin King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  If money is your limiting factor. I will trade you a mastr II 
mobile for
 the
  spectrum. Just so I can keep it off the air. I have been the 
recipient of
  interference from one of those at a site I use to manage.
  
  Kevin
  
  -Original Message-
  From: ac0y5 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 11:56 AM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 
VHF
  Manual]]
  
  
  Thanks for the input Tony.
  The primary reason that I'm going to try the Spectrum is It's 
what I
  can afford now and It's something I havn't ran into before. If 
this
  one gives as much trouble as indicated by thoes of you who have
  owned them then I'll do something different. But for now it 
sounds
  like a challange and it's real cheep -$0.00-. I unexpectedly came
  into two 2 meter pairs at the same time. Here in Central Florida
  getting a pair is like finding hens teeth so the first pair got 
the
  MASTRII and the second pair will get the Spectrum until I get 
tired
  of tweeking it or until I get a replacment, another MASTRII. I 
can
  only afford a little at a time.
  73 Tony and Thanks
  AC0Y
  
  
  --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Tony King - W4ZT
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   First let me start out by saying that I currently have an 
SCR1000
  in
   service on 2 meters but the Mastr II is cooking on the bench 
and
  will
   replace the Spectrum as soon as I finish the box to move the 
CAT-
  1000 into.
  
   At 08:43 PM 11/26/2003, ac0y5 wrote:
   It seems a lot of the complaints are from oscillator drift and
   tuning drift. I have a few questions Does anyone know if the 
main
   problem resides in the exciter, or the power amp?
  
   I have replaced the PA in this SCR1000 because the old one
  failed.  This is
   a 75 watt model which has the power control board (which gives 
you
  high/low
   power switching). The manual tells you that you MUST re-align 
the
  exciter
   to make it work properly on the reduced voltage.  I always 
found
  it to be a
   bit unstable so it always stayed on high power. If you tune the
  PA, you'll
   find some instability there also. I don't know the answer to 
the
  question
   of bad components or bad design. I'd rather stick with what 
I've
  got
   personal experience with.
  
   As for oscillator drift, the SCR1000 was available with a 
crystal
  oven but
   mine didn't come that way. It's lived its entire life in the 
house
  where
   there have been no extremes of heat and cold.  Yet, it would 
still
  move
   around some. I did place a small light bulb (in series with a
  resistor)
   right in the oscillator portion of the exciter board and it 
seemed
  to
   become more stable.
  
   My plan would
   eliminate all problems related to the oscillator because the 
Tx
  and
   Rx will be generated from a pair of Numerically Controlled
   Oscillators well filtered. I have already designed the entire
   circuit. Now, if Anyone knows where the problem may lay then I
  will
   be able to take care of the problem an external PA that I 
have or
  an
   exciter that I can buy cheaply. The power supply should be 
okay
  
   I had problems with the power supply.  In the 75 watt model the
  power
   resistors which are mounted on terminal strips between the
  transformer and
   the large heat sink on the back get so hot that they will melt
  their leads
   right out of the solder. That compounds the problem and led to
  erosion of a
   resistor lead and supply failure. The entire supply is horribly
   inefficient, generating more heat than the entire unit 
consumed in
  its
   electronics.  I finally removed the transformer, the resistors 
and
  the
   large heat sink with the pass transistors and powered the unit
  externally.
  
   and
   it has been stated that the receiver is quite sensitive. If
   necessary I can add a 5 or 7 pole helical resonator to the 
front
  end.
  
   It's sensitive if you can get it tuned without desensitization.
  That's the
   biggest problem with the receiver.  It isn't as sharp as
  commercial
   receivers like the Mastr II or Micor so don't expect that kind 
of
  performance.
  
From your many other posts it would appear you have 
considerable
  repeater
   experience which makes me wonder why you would want to take 
this
  on.  It's
   not a joy to work on.  The controller is junk (I replaced it 
with
  a CAT1000
   over a decade ago). It's just old technology that doesn't come
  close to the
   old technology you find built by GE and Motorola. If you must
  redesign the
   oscillators, replace the exciter and PA, 

Re: [RE: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]]

2003-11-29 Thread JOHN MACKEY
WOW!!  Coy said he went with the spectrum because of money.  Now this
offer of a straight trade is one he can't pass up due to the money issue!!

Kevin King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If money is your limiting factor. I will trade you a mastr II mobile for
the
 spectrum. Just so I can keep it off the air. I have been the recipient of
 interference from one of those at a site I use to manage.
 
 Kevin
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ac0y5 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 11:56 AM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF
 Manual]]
 
 
 Thanks for the input Tony.
 The primary reason that I'm going to try the Spectrum is It's what I
 can afford now and It's something I havn't ran into before. If this
 one gives as much trouble as indicated by thoes of you who have
 owned them then I'll do something different. But for now it sounds
 like a challange and it's real cheep -$0.00-. I unexpectedly came
 into two 2 meter pairs at the same time. Here in Central Florida
 getting a pair is like finding hens teeth so the first pair got the
 MASTRII and the second pair will get the Spectrum until I get tired
 of tweeking it or until I get a replacment, another MASTRII. I can
 only afford a little at a time.
 73 Tony and Thanks
 AC0Y
 
 
 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Tony King - W4ZT
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  First let me start out by saying that I currently have an SCR1000
 in
  service on 2 meters but the Mastr II is cooking on the bench and
 will
  replace the Spectrum as soon as I finish the box to move the CAT-
 1000 into.
 
  At 08:43 PM 11/26/2003, ac0y5 wrote:
  It seems a lot of the complaints are from oscillator drift and
  tuning drift. I have a few questions Does anyone know if the main
  problem resides in the exciter, or the power amp?
 
  I have replaced the PA in this SCR1000 because the old one
 failed.  This is
  a 75 watt model which has the power control board (which gives you
 high/low
  power switching). The manual tells you that you MUST re-align the
 exciter
  to make it work properly on the reduced voltage.  I always found
 it to be a
  bit unstable so it always stayed on high power. If you tune the
 PA, you'll
  find some instability there also. I don't know the answer to the
 question
  of bad components or bad design. I'd rather stick with what I've
 got
  personal experience with.
 
  As for oscillator drift, the SCR1000 was available with a crystal
 oven but
  mine didn't come that way. It's lived its entire life in the house
 where
  there have been no extremes of heat and cold.  Yet, it would still
 move
  around some. I did place a small light bulb (in series with a
 resistor)
  right in the oscillator portion of the exciter board and it seemed
 to
  become more stable.
 
  My plan would
  eliminate all problems related to the oscillator because the Tx
 and
  Rx will be generated from a pair of Numerically Controlled
  Oscillators well filtered. I have already designed the entire
  circuit. Now, if Anyone knows where the problem may lay then I
 will
  be able to take care of the problem an external PA that I have or
 an
  exciter that I can buy cheaply. The power supply should be okay
 
  I had problems with the power supply.  In the 75 watt model the
 power
  resistors which are mounted on terminal strips between the
 transformer and
  the large heat sink on the back get so hot that they will melt
 their leads
  right out of the solder. That compounds the problem and led to
 erosion of a
  resistor lead and supply failure. The entire supply is horribly
  inefficient, generating more heat than the entire unit consumed in
 its
  electronics.  I finally removed the transformer, the resistors and
 the
  large heat sink with the pass transistors and powered the unit
 externally.
 
  and
  it has been stated that the receiver is quite sensitive. If
  necessary I can add a 5 or 7 pole helical resonator to the front
 end.
 
  It's sensitive if you can get it tuned without desensitization.
 That's the
  biggest problem with the receiver.  It isn't as sharp as
 commercial
  receivers like the Mastr II or Micor so don't expect that kind of
 performance.
 
   From your many other posts it would appear you have considerable
 repeater
  experience which makes me wonder why you would want to take this
 on.  It's
  not a joy to work on.  The controller is junk (I replaced it with
 a CAT1000
  over a decade ago). It's just old technology that doesn't come
 close to the
  old technology you find built by GE and Motorola. If you must
 redesign the
  oscillators, replace the exciter and PA, redesign/modify the
 receiver, come
  up with a controller, perhaps replace the power supply, hope the
 switches
  aren't intermittent (like some of mine), replace the meters (the
 originals
  were useless), toss the local microphone and get something better,
 what's
  left? It WAS a pretty box. I just spent the 

Re: [RE: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]]

2003-11-29 Thread albemarle7
Wow !!  Kevin, I got two of those Spectrum repeaters sitting on the shelf.  
Could I turn them into two Mastr II ?   I admit, the front panel is impressive, 
very pretty. The metering would be usefull also. I wanted to someday use the 
front panel and put a decent Rx  Tx unit on the chassis with a small 
controller under neath.  Sure would look good. Just too many irons in the fire.
Gary  K2UQ



 

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Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]

2003-11-26 Thread mch
I think much of the problem is in the
tuning caps on both the exciter and PA.

Joe M.

ac0y5 wrote:
 
 It seems a lot of the complaints are from oscillator drift and
 tuning drift. I have a few questions Does anyone know if the main
 problem resides in the exciter, or the power amp? My plan would
 eliminate all problems related to the oscillator because the Tx and
 Rx will be generated from a pair of Numerically Controlled
 Oscillators well filtered. I have already designed the entire
 circuit. Now, if Anyone knows where the problem may lay then I will
 be able to take care of the problem an external PA that I have or an
 exciter that I can buy cheaply. The power supply should be okay and
 it has been stated that the receiver is quite sensitive. If
 necessary I can add a 5 or 7 pole helical resonator to the front end.
 
 73
 AC0Y
 
 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  The Siouxland Amateur Radio Association in Sioux City, Iowa bought
 a used
  Spectrum repeater on 2 meters about 3 years ago for something like
 $1100,
  (with duplexer) fully operational.  I attended a meeting of the
 repeater
  managers in Sioux City about 2 weeks ago  they were saying they
 wish they had
  never bought it.  (I tried to tell them not to buy it but they
 ignored me!!)
 
 
 
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Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]

2003-11-25 Thread Neil McKie

  Yup, the UHF Mastr-Pro transmitter will do that if you don't do 
 the maintenance on it properly.  

  I have worked on a few of those transmitters over the years. 

  Neil McKie - WA6KLA 


ac0y5 wrote:
 
 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jeff DePolo WN3A
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not knocking Spectrum - I'm just relating experience. I
   have yet
to see one that stayed clean over the long haul. Any that
   aren't clean
surely can't meet the type acceptance they once had.
  
   Well said, very well said.
 
  Humor:
 
  I have a Spectrum repeater on the air.
 
  Oh really?  What frequency is it on?
 
  All of them.
 
 NOW THAT'S FUNNY.LAO.  I had a couple UHF GE MASTR PRO BASE
 STATIONS that did that ONCE for about 3 or 4 minutes, till I checked
 the output with the spectrum analyzer after tune up. It had 60 watts
 out and looked like a Christmas Tree.
 73 ALL
 




 

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Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]

2003-11-25 Thread Neil McKie

  Don't forget to place the drain bucket under the grid leak resistor. 

  Neil 


Virden Clark Beckman wrote:
 
 If you service the mastr-pro final be certain to clean the tube 
 socket and covers well as these areas are good for collecting dusty 
 swarf and can make some spurs as well as sparks inside the cage, as 
 with any tube gear be sure the drain resistors are working properly 
 before inserting any metal tools into the cage. 
 
 ac0y5 wrote:
 
  --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jeff DePolo WN3A
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm not knocking Spectrum - I'm just relating experience. I
have yet
 to see one that stayed clean over the long haul. Any that
aren't clean
 surely can't meet the type acceptance they once had.
   
Well said, very well said.
  
   Humor:
  
   I have a Spectrum repeater on the air.
  
   Oh really?  What frequency is it on?
  
   All of them.
 
  NOW THAT'S FUNNY.LAO.  I had a couple UHF GE MASTR PRO BASE
  STATIONS that did that ONCE for about 3 or 4 minutes, till I checked
  the output with the spectrum analyzer after tune up. It had 60 watts
  out and looked like a Christmas Tree.
  73 ALL
 
 
 
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Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]

2003-11-25 Thread Vincent McKever
What size drain bucket?  Maby 5000 Moos?

- Original Message - 
From: Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF
Manual]]



   Don't forget to place the drain bucket under the grid leak resistor.

   Neil


 Virden Clark Beckman wrote:
 
  If you service the mastr-pro final be certain to clean the tube
  socket and covers well as these areas are good for collecting dusty
  swarf and can make some spurs as well as sparks inside the cage, as
  with any tube gear be sure the drain resistors are working properly
  before inserting any metal tools into the cage.
 
  ac0y5 wrote:
  
   --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jeff DePolo WN3A
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm not knocking Spectrum - I'm just relating experience. I
 have yet
  to see one that stayed clean over the long haul. Any that
 aren't clean
  surely can't meet the type acceptance they once had.

 Well said, very well said.
   
Humor:
   
I have a Spectrum repeater on the air.
   
Oh really?  What frequency is it on?
   
All of them.
  
   NOW THAT'S FUNNY.LAO.  I had a couple UHF GE MASTR PRO BASE
   STATIONS that did that ONCE for about 3 or 4 minutes, till I checked
   the output with the spectrum analyzer after tune up. It had 60 watts
   out and looked like a Christmas Tree.
   73 ALL
  
  
  
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Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]

2003-11-25 Thread Neil McKie

  If you sincerely believe it is large enough. 

Vincent McKever wrote:
 
 What size drain bucket?  Maby 5000 Moos?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF
 Manual]]
 
 
Don't forget to place the drain bucket under the grid leak resistor.
 
Neil
 
 
  Virden Clark Beckman wrote:
  
   If you service the mastr-pro final be certain to clean the tube
   socket and covers well as these areas are good for collecting dusty
   swarf and can make some spurs as well as sparks inside the cage, as
   with any tube gear be sure the drain resistors are working properly
   before inserting any metal tools into the cage.
  
   ac0y5 wrote:
   
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jeff DePolo WN3A
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I'm not knocking Spectrum - I'm just relating experience. I
  have yet
   to see one that stayed clean over the long haul. Any that
  aren't clean
   surely can't meet the type acceptance they once had.
 
  Well said, very well said.

 Humor:

 I have a Spectrum repeater on the air.

 Oh really?  What frequency is it on?

 All of them.
   
NOW THAT'S FUNNY.LAO.  I had a couple UHF GE MASTR PRO BASE
STATIONS that did that ONCE for about 3 or 4 minutes, till I checked
the output with the spectrum analyzer after tune up. It had 60 watts
out and looked like a Christmas Tree.
73 ALL
   
   
   
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Re: [[[Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]]]

2003-11-25 Thread JOHN MACKEY
If you had a couple UHF Mastr Pro transmitters that were dirty, I can
guarantee it was NOT tuned and/or maintained correctly.

ac0y5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yep it was done CORRECTLY!!
 
 
 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  That can be true, since the UHF Mastr Pro transmitter is a little 
 picky about
  it's tuning. If you are unfamilar with that transmitter or don't 
 follow the
  tuning procedure CORRECTLY, it can be a dirty transmitter.  Of 
 course, any
  transmitter can have that statement said.
  
  ac0y5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   NOW THAT'S FUNNY.LAO.  I had a couple UHF GE MASTR PRO BASE 
   STATIONS that did that ONCE for about 3 or 4 minutes, till I 
 checked 
   the output with the spectrum analyzer after tune up. It had 60 
 watts 
   out and looked like a Christmas Tree.





 

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Re: [[[Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]]]

2003-11-25 Thread Ken Arck
At 09:59 PM 11/25/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Of  course, any transmitter can have that statement said.

---Wasn't that VHF Engineering's motto? :-)

Ken

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Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]

2003-11-25 Thread JOHN MACKEY
The Siouxland Amateur Radio Association in Sioux City, Iowa bought a used
Spectrum repeater on 2 meters about 3 years ago for something like $1100,
(with duplexer) fully operational.  I attended a meeting of the repeater
managers in Sioux City about 2 weeks ago  they were saying they wish they had
never bought it.  (I tried to tell them not to buy it but they ignored me!!)





 

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Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]

2003-11-24 Thread JOHN MACKEY
Hmm, perahps you are right.  These are the answers
I propose for those questions.

mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On the contrary. I think we will be answering a lot of questions...
 What duplexer gives me the most off-freq rejection?

The dupleser with the most off-freq rejection will be the one NOT 
connected to the Spectrum transmitter.


 What can I do to reduce TX noise

Replace the spectrum transmitter with a different manufacturer.

 
 Does anyone have a spectrum analyzer for sale?

Yes, but with all the gas money you are losing on repeat trips to the
transmitter site, along with buying the best cables, duplexer, etc for the
package you probably won't be able to afford the analyzer.

 I'm not knocking Spectrum - I'm just relating experience. I have
 yet to see one that stayed clean over the long haul. Any that
 aren't clean surely can't meet the type acceptance they once had.

Well said, very well said.





 

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RE: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]

2003-11-24 Thread Jeff DePolo WN3A
  I'm not knocking Spectrum - I'm just relating experience. I
 have yet
  to see one that stayed clean over the long haul. Any that
 aren't clean
  surely can't meet the type acceptance they once had.

 Well said, very well said.

Humor:

I have a Spectrum repeater on the air.

Oh really?  What frequency is it on?

All of them.






 

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Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]

2003-11-24 Thread JOHN MACKEY


mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ac0y5 wrote:
  Otherwise I must use what I can get at a price that I can afford.
 
 I don't know what you paid (perhaps nothing?), but you can buy a
 Motorola or GE for a couple hundred bucks down to next to nothing.
 If I were to consider my time, I would save more money spending a couple
 hundred bucks now. Yes, I would take a Spectrum. I could use the rack
 for mounting a controller or something.

The spectrum RF gear does work EXCELLENT as a door stop!!

 
 But the main problem I've had with Spectrum is that it can be 'right'
 when you put it on, but a few weeks later, the tuning changes on its own
 and it's no longer 'right'!

I've also seen this with spectrum equipment.


 I eagerly anticipate your views on Spectrum in a year. :-))

Yes, that will be interesting.





 

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Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]

2003-11-24 Thread JOHN MACKEY


Kevin Custer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sometimes the best sounding repeaters are the ones that need to be 
 looked at more closely.  Over occupied bandwidth issues can result in 
 excellent sounding audio, but at the expense of needed filtering to 
SNIP

Very very true.





 

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Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]

2003-11-24 Thread JOHN MACKEY
ac0y5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OH NO MR MACKEY, That's where you are WRONG AGAIN !! I unlike other 

When was I wrong the FIRST time?

 some people ALWAYS have questions, and I'll ask them. The perfect 
 radio presents NO challange there for no chance for a learning 
 experiance. Oh I put a line in my post for you...  Or if there is 
 someone that would like to contribute to the cause contact me off 
 board.  If you would like to contribute a, SAY, Motorola or GE, you 
 can contact me off board. Otherwise I must use what I can get at a 
 price that I can afford. First, YOU or anyone else has NEVER been 

You can easily find a a Motorola or GE at most hamfests and on ebay.
Example on this web link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3059774381category=4674


 interfered with by one of MY repeaters. I DO NOT PUT UP TRASH !!! IF 
 it's not right, it does not go into service by me period. You did 

We'll see what happens AFTER you put up your Spectrum

SNIP
 shure that it was one of the best sounding machines in town and may 

Please be sure to read what Kevin told you about the best sounding
machines





 

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Re: [Re: [[Repeater-Builder] Spectrum Communication SCR1000 VHF Manual]]

2003-11-24 Thread Mike WA6ILQ
At 11:03 PM 11/24/03 -0600, you wrote:

mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  ac0y5 wrote:
   Otherwise I must use what I can get at a price that I can afford.
 
  I don't know what you paid (perhaps nothing?), but you can buy a
  Motorola or GE for a couple hundred bucks down to next to nothing.
  If I were to consider my time, I would save more money spending a couple
  hundred bucks now. Yes, I would take a Spectrum. I could use the rack
  for mounting a controller or something.

The spectrum RF gear does work EXCELLENT as a door stop!!

  But the main problem I've had with Spectrum is that it can be 'right'
  when you put it on, but a few weeks later, the tuning changes on its own
  and it's no longer 'right'!

I've also seen this with spectrum equipment.

  I eagerly anticipate your views on Spectrum in a year. :-))

Yes, that will be interesting.

Let me tell you about a certain high-band Spectrum...

Many years ago the W6TRW ham radio club at TRW in Los
Angeles had a Spectrum that was factory ordered in the low
end of the 145mhz range...

Mind you this group had some high powered RF types as
members guys that designed RF links for spy satellites...
I worked there in the 1986-87-88 time frame For a feeling
of the environment there read the book The Falcon and the
Snowman sometime... it all happened there.

The Spectrum SCR-1000 RX was quite sensitive once you
got past the tendency to desense (use the best duplexer
you can afford), and the TX was OKexcept...

We had it feeding a isolator, a pass cavity, a PD 6-can pass-
reject duplexer, 30-40 feet of 7/8 feedline and a 22' Stationmaster.

The equipment was installed in the utility room of the penthouse of a
12 story office building, with the antenna on a 10 foot tower section
mounted to the roof of the adjacent elevator equipment room.

There was one other radio there, a 60w GE Mastr-II UHF repeater used
by the company rent-a-cops (the radio was complete with a 4-channel
GE voter, with three aux receivers in outlying buildings - this was a
10-12 building campus spread across 4 city blocks).

There is still to this day another 3 story government office building across
the street that hosts a number of city, county, state and federal agencies
and on the roof is a forest of antennas...

Despite the skill of the RF engineers at TRW, and at least one, maybe two
return trips to Spectrum, over a period of time the Spectrum caused the
W6TRW folk to get to know the radio techs from the LAPD, the LAFD,
the LA county radio shop, the FBI, the FAA (at LAX, a few miles away), the
Navy, the Air Force, the Secret Service, and at least one alphabet soup
agency that officially doesn't exist... (one of the customers for the spy 
satellites)
all of which used the radio spectrum in the 136-150 or 160-172mhz range
or somewhere in the 225-420mhz range

Each time the interference complaints stopped the day the Spectrum
went off the air.  Each time it was turned back on after being fixed it
was clean for a while (anything from a week to 4 months) then a phone
call arrived from a different agency...

It was replaced with a factory built 136-150mhz 90w Mastr-II that was
set up by WA6DPB's commercial 2-way shop. The day it went up on
the building the temptation to drop the Spectrum off the side was there
but the ham club would have had to pay for the cracked concrete 12
stories below.  Aside from resetting the frequency about 6 months after
it went up (after the crystals aged a little) the GE radio has needed zero
attention in over 12 years.

Please tune your new toy with a spectrum analyzer, then think three
times about putting it on an antenna, and if you value your amateur
license don't put it on a hill.

Mike WA6ILQ





 

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