Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
Chuck Kelsey wrote: > I know a radio shop that does installs like that. It's been in business for > over 30 years. > > Chuck > WB2EDV Me too. Some of them have trucks with bat-wings on them (not really moto though, they just think they are). > - Original Message - > From: "Nate Duehr" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:50 PM > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality > > >> Nightmare "f-ing Hams!" story from this weekend: >> >> I went to a site this weekend, and the "new" Amateur repeater in the new >> building the hams are moving into had 200' of 1/2 Andrews hardline on it >> that I don't even know how it was operating... it looked like someone >> had taken a ballpeen hammer to it at 5' lengths all the way across the >> ice bridge and up the tower. The hardline run was done INSIDE a tower >> leg instead of properly up the outside cable tray/unistrut with no >> hangers, and no grounding kits on the run of 1/2" anywhere. >>
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
Kris, There's a bit of disinformation in your message. The GR1225 contains a full-duplex R1225 transceiver, which includes a controller inside the single chassis. The others are pairs of mobile radios. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kris Kirby Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:58 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality http://www.radioexpressinc.com/repeaters.htm <http://www.radioexpressinc.com/repeaters.htm> Motorola GR500, GR1225, CDR500, CDR700 -- all of them are: a pair of mobiles in a box. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
I have to agree that the first version Mototrbo XPR series repeater looks to be a set of mobile radios just like the crap ICOM puts out called D-Star. However, they have the board that upgrades the MTR2000 repeater to make it TDMA and that is a real repeater. It would be hard to find anything that performs better for the price. Mike K7PFJ _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality On Mon, 4 May 2009 14:57:34 -0500 (CDT), "Kris Kirby" mailto:kris%40catonic.us> us> said: > On Mon, 4 May 2009, Nate Duehr wrote: > > There are GOOD ham radio tenants, and bad ones... that's for sure. > > If it were up to me, I'd have made ONE phone call to this guy saying > > his repeater was no longer welcome at the site, disconnected it, > > changed the door code, and set that "mobiles in a cabinet" hunk of > > Point of order: > > http://batboard. <http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=69658&hilit> batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=69658&hilit > > That's a cutting-edge Motorola TRBO. And yes, it's a pair of mobiles in > a 4U rack box. > > http://www.radioexp <http://www.radioexpressinc.com/repeaters.htm> ressinc.com/repeaters.htm > > Motorola GR500, GR1225, CDR500, CDR700 -- all of them are: a pair of > mobiles in a box. So you're saying if Motorola engineers jumped off a bridge, you'd jump too? Not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to prove Moto's quality on the low-end has deteriorated? They're not exactly a shining star of engineering skill these days. They're just copying the crowd. And the crowd wants cheap crap. Nate WY0X -- Nate Duehr n...@natetech. <mailto:nate%40natetech.com> com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
knew a radio shop in Sarasota Fl that did that kind of work on a repeater system on an 640 foot tower 800Mhz. good job. - Original Message - From: Barry To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality Interesting read , In this part of the world the regulation regarding cable installs is very stringent and as one licensed to do such things is a constant source of amusement for me , just because you have an amateur license does not mean you have to install like one :) I know of commercial installers getting fined these days who complain "we have been doing it this way for years" > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > From: wb2...@roadrunner.com > Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:16:47 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality > > > > > > > I know a radio shop that does installs like that. It's been in business for > > over 30 years. > > > > Chuck > > WB2EDV > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Nate Duehr"> > > To:> > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:50 PM > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality > > > >> Nightmare "f-ing Hams!" story from this weekend: > >> > >> I went to a site this weekend, and the "new" Amateur repeater in the new > >> building the hams are moving into had 200' of 1/2 Andrews hardline on it > >> that I don't even know how it was operating... it looked like someone > >> had taken a ballpeen hammer to it at 5' lengths all the way across the > >> ice bridge and up the tower. The hardline run was done INSIDE a tower > >> leg instead of properly up the outside cable tray/unistrut with no > >> hangers, and no grounding kits on the run of 1/2" anywhere. > >> > >>SNIP< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ Looking to move somewhere new this winter? Let ninemsn property help http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
On Mon, 4 May 2009 14:57:34 -0500 (CDT), "Kris Kirby" said: > On Mon, 4 May 2009, Nate Duehr wrote: > > There are GOOD ham radio tenants, and bad ones... that's for sure. > > If it were up to me, I'd have made ONE phone call to this guy saying > > his repeater was no longer welcome at the site, disconnected it, > > changed the door code, and set that "mobiles in a cabinet" hunk of > > Point of order: > > http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=69658&hilit > > That's a cutting-edge Motorola TRBO. And yes, it's a pair of mobiles in > a 4U rack box. > > http://www.radioexpressinc.com/repeaters.htm > > Motorola GR500, GR1225, CDR500, CDR700 -- all of them are: a pair of > mobiles in a box. So you're saying if Motorola engineers jumped off a bridge, you'd jump too? Not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to prove Moto's quality on the low-end has deteriorated? They're not exactly a shining star of engineering skill these days. They're just copying the crowd. And the crowd wants cheap crap. Nate WY0X -- Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
Interesting read , In this part of the world the regulation regarding cable installs is very stringent and as one licensed to do such things is a constant source of amusement for me , just because you have an amateur license does not mean you have to install like one :) I know of commercial installers getting fined these days who complain "we have been doing it this way for years" > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > From: wb2...@roadrunner.com > Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:16:47 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality > > > > > > > I know a radio shop that does installs like that. It's been in business for > > over 30 years. > > > > Chuck > > WB2EDV > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Nate Duehr"> > > To:> > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:50 PM > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality > > > >> Nightmare "f-ing Hams!" story from this weekend: > >> > >> I went to a site this weekend, and the "new" Amateur repeater in the new > >> building the hams are moving into had 200' of 1/2 Andrews hardline on it > >> that I don't even know how it was operating... it looked like someone > >> had taken a ballpeen hammer to it at 5' lengths all the way across the > >> ice bridge and up the tower. The hardline run was done INSIDE a tower > >> leg instead of properly up the outside cable tray/unistrut with no > >> hangers, and no grounding kits on the run of 1/2" anywhere. > >> > >>SNIP< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ Looking to move somewhere new this winter? Let ninemsn property help http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
As long as the presentation is good (i.e. good/proper cabling, neatly organized, etc) it really shouldn't matter whether the lessee is using mobiles (like I do in my CDR500 [two CDM750s and duplexers in a steel box] or a full-out purpose-built repeater system (like an MTR2000, Quantar or whatnot). Mobiles when properly ventilated and designed can be used for 100% transmit duty cycle. This is well demonstrated with the previously mentioned MotoTRBO system. I'd be more aghast at the shoddy cabling (again, presentation, RF leakage, etc) and antenna mountings. *That* can directly affect other tenants at the site more so than having 'mobiles in a cabinet'. My 2 cents, for what it's worth... -Brian / KF4ZWZ On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Kris Kirby wrote: > On Mon, 4 May 2009, Nate Duehr wrote: >> There are GOOD ham radio tenants, and bad ones... that's for sure. >> If it were up to me, I'd have made ONE phone call to this guy saying >> his repeater was no longer welcome at the site, disconnected it, >> changed the door code, and set that "mobiles in a cabinet" hunk of > > Point of order: > > http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=69658&hilit > > That's a cutting-edge Motorola TRBO. And yes, it's a pair of mobiles in > a 4U rack box. > > http://www.radioexpressinc.com/repeaters.htm > > Motorola GR500, GR1225, CDR500, CDR700 -- all of them are: a pair of > mobiles in a box. > > -- > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR > Disinformation Analyst > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
On Mon, 4 May 2009, Nate Duehr wrote: > There are GOOD ham radio tenants, and bad ones... that's for sure. > If it were up to me, I'd have made ONE phone call to this guy saying > his repeater was no longer welcome at the site, disconnected it, > changed the door code, and set that "mobiles in a cabinet" hunk of Point of order: http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=69658&hilit That's a cutting-edge Motorola TRBO. And yes, it's a pair of mobiles in a 4U rack box. http://www.radioexpressinc.com/repeaters.htm Motorola GR500, GR1225, CDR500, CDR700 -- all of them are: a pair of mobiles in a box. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
Got one here too! Honestly you should see some of the "professionally installed" repeaters with mobile radios screwed to plywood, wires dangling everywhere, exposed electrical connections, repeater buildings with rusty metal sheets for siding flapping in the wind, bent leaning towers (installed that way), RG-58 jumpers, etc. etc. And then they complain about having intermod and can't figure out why!? It really annoys me to think they get paid to put up such crap. Paul N1BUG mwbese...@cox.net wrote: > Got one like that here too. It ain't just the hams that are amateurs! > > Mike > WM4B > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:22 PM , Chuck Kelsey wrote: > >> I know a radio shop that does installs like that. It's been in >> business for over 30 years. >> >> Chuck >> WB2EDV
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
Got one like that here too. It ain't just the hams that are amateurs! Mike WM4B On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:22 PM , Chuck Kelsey wrote: > I know a radio shop that does installs like that. It's been in > business for over 30 years. > > Chuck > WB2EDV > > > - Original Message - From: "Nate Duehr" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:50 PM > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality > > >> Nightmare "f-ing Hams!" story from this weekend: >> >> I went to a site this weekend, and the "new" Amateur repeater in the >> new >> building the hams are moving into had 200' of 1/2 Andrews hardline on >> it >> that I don't even know how it was operating... it looked like someone >> had taken a ballpeen hammer to it at 5' lengths all the way across >> the >> ice bridge and up the tower. The hardline run was done INSIDE a >> tower >> leg instead of properly up the outside cable tray/unistrut with no >> hangers, and no grounding kits on the run of 1/2" anywhere. >> >> SNIP<
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
I know a radio shop that does installs like that. It's been in business for over 30 years. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: "Nate Duehr" To: Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality > Nightmare "f-ing Hams!" story from this weekend: > > I went to a site this weekend, and the "new" Amateur repeater in the new > building the hams are moving into had 200' of 1/2 Andrews hardline on it > that I don't even know how it was operating... it looked like someone > had taken a ballpeen hammer to it at 5' lengths all the way across the > ice bridge and up the tower. The hardline run was done INSIDE a tower > leg instead of properly up the outside cable tray/unistrut with no > hangers, and no grounding kits on the run of 1/2" anywhere. > >SNIP<
