Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries/ UPS
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:27:48 -, Coy Hilton wrote: 13.8VDC input run it through an inverter Any UPS that is big enough to handle the load of a repeater is usually powered by 24 volts or more (many 12 volt batteries in series). The one I just listed uses an internal DC voltage of 48 volts, with all 4 33AH batteries in series. I agree with you though, the more times you convert voltage from one level to another decreases efficiency. At one of our club sites, we have a bank of 6 2 volt 500AH cells in series, being charged by a commercial Staticon unit. The batteries only have to last about 2 minutes, as there is a HUGE generator that powers everything at the site. Lucky I guess :) Tedd Doda, VE3TJD Lazer Audio and Electronics Baden, Ontario, Canada Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries/ UPS
My machines all run 12 volts when I loose 120Vac the only thing I loose is the power amp so the machine goes from 180 watts down to 30 watts the UPS backup is for the Computer in the shack. when that dies Ohh well no big loss the backup Generator should be running before that happens... back up to full power... Coy Hilton wrote: For thoes talking about using a UPS. I have a question. ARE you powering the AC side of your repeaters from the UPS? If so what about the input current rating of the power supplies and the fact that it is terrably in-efficient to take 13.8VDC input run it through an inverter,a step up transformer to get the 120VAC then turn around and Run it through another transformer to step it down then rectify it to get 13.8 VDC. 73 AC0Y Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Hello all, I know Matthew has met his needs but I thought I would share the following with the group. Just last year there was a series of articles in QST on running an Advanced Glass Mat (AGM) battery as a station backup. Another ham and I researched the project for some time and decided to use the IOTA DLS charger/power supply for our RACES/ARES stations. It is a switch mode and we added the optional computer module to provide triple mode. You can pick a supply that meets your current requirement, he used 45 amp and I used the 55. These units charge the battery and supply current to the load at the same time, when power fails the battery is by itself. The supply does not be run through a relay. We were concerned that there would be RF noise coming out of the supply as the last article in QST found in some of the units they tested. We found a dealer, Mastertech, who sent us a unit with a offer of a full refund if it produced any noise on our HF rigs. The unit was perfect. I could only pick up noise is I put the pickup loop into the opening on the side of the supply where the terminals came out while watching the spectrum analyzer. Turns out Mastertech has been to many ham swaps selling their supplies. We use the IOTA and a Optima yellow top AGM battery as a station supply. DO NOT USE THE RED TOP!! We use a MAXI fuse between the supply and the battery and a MAXI fuse between the load and the buss. We also added shunts and LCD digital meters (that run off a 9 volt battery on a momentary switch) to monitor both current from the supply and in/out of the buss. Plus a LCD digital volt meter to monitor system voltage. We learned of a supplier for the MAXI fuse holders, Waytek, that also has tons of other 12 volt relays and fuse blocks. Check them out on the web. Very fast service and the best prices by far. I used some of their relays and connectors for my alarm system in my van. You will want their catalog if you do any kind of electrical work, car or home. DO NOT USE A CHEEP BATTERY CHARGER TO CHARGE A AGM BATTERY!!! It will kill the battery. Charging an AGM over 15.? volts will destroy it. By the way, FUSE EVERYTHING!! Power Supply/Charger = http://www.iotaengineering.com/ Iota Engineering Batteries = http://www.optimabatteries.com Optima Batteries - use yellow or blue top IOTA supplier = http://www.mastertech-inc.com Mastertech Inc. - Westly Miller 1-800-848-0558 Fuse and relay supplier = http://waytekwire.com Waytek Inc. Shunts and digital meters = https://www.allelectronics.com/ All Electronics The AGM batteries can be bought at any chain auto parts store or even from Cabala's. Our systems work great. No relays or switches to change over the 12v, works fine all by itself. Has taken us through several power outages already. The below sites mentioned earlier on this list should also be FULLY read by anyone wanting to use batteries. http://www.powerfactorinc.com/Batteries/dg12-32jh.htm this batt is a AGM .. type and yes every one should read this http://www.batterystuff.com/tutorial_battery.html 73 and good luck, Shanon KA8SPW, Garden City, Michigan *** -Original Message- From: w9mwq [mailto: Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:12 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries/ UPS
I only use it to run the computers,main repeaters are full time DC powered direct from the battery banks. Computers for EchoLink,IRLP,server and two TCX-150 repeater controllers. 73,Lee,N3APP Coy Hilton wrote: For thoes talking about using a UPS. I have a question. ARE you powering the AC side of your repeaters from the UPS? If so what about the input current rating of the power supplies and the fact that it is terrably in-efficient to take 13.8VDC input run it through an inverter,a step up transformer to get the 120VAC then turn around and Run it through another transformer to step it down then rectify it to get 13.8 VDC. 73 AC0Y Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries/ UPS
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:27:48 -, Coy Hilton wrote: 13.8VDC input run it through an inverter Any UPS that is big enough to handle the load of a repeater is usually powered by 24 volts or more (many 12 volt batteries in series). The one I just listed uses an internal DC voltage of 48 volts, with all 4 33AH batteries in series. I agree with you though, the more times you convert voltage from one level to another decreases efficiency. At one of our club sites, we have a bank of 6 2 volt 500AH cells in series, being charged by a commercial Staticon unit. The batteries only have to last about 2 minutes, as there is a HUGE generator that powers everything at the site. Lucky I guess :) Tedd Doda, VE3TJD Lazer Audio and Electronics Baden, Ontario, Canada Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
I've seen people use the battery charger ... but I don't don't have an opinion on using one. Neil Mathew Quaife wrote: Got one to spare...Hi HiI don't have a problem running the batteries, it's keeping them charged at a rate that they can handle. We don't often loose power here, but there are those times. I plan to buy a generator, but still like the idea of the batteries. I've had other's say they have just used a regular car battery charger with no problems. I'm just thinking there is no regulation or isolation at all on them. What is the thought on just using a battery charger. Mathew -Original Message- From: Neil McKie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 1:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries The method I have prefered over the years is the Motorola Micor repeater TPN1105A/TPN1106A Power Supples that also charge the battery. The radio site near here uses that power supply to run both repeaters and charge the battery as well. Just my opinion. I have the one power supply that is in service and three more for spare parts. A number of years ago, had one site with three 100 watt Micor repeaters ... each repeater had one of the power supplies. The output of the three power supplies were paralleled and charged two Size 8D 'cat batteries.' One day I went to the site on a maintenance schedule and found one side of the radio systems primary power circuit breaker had failed. That caused one of the above power supplies to power all three 100 watt repeaters - for how long? I didn't know. Seems two of the repeaters were plugged into the failed side of the power line / the remaining repeater was on the other side of the power line. BTW, two of the repeaters were public safety / the power supply that was supplying all the power was on the amateur radio repeater. Neil - WA6KLA Tony King, W4ZT wrote: One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Well call this luck of the draw. I just had donated three 86 amp hour batteries and the charger that came out of a telephone communications tower. Probably will go pick them up next week. So till then, guess I don't get to use my amateur station as I robbed the power supply. Thanks for the input from everyone who replied. Mathew -Original Message- From: Neil McKie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:23 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries I've seen people use the battery charger ... but I don't don't have an opinion on using one. Neil Mathew Quaife wrote: Got one to spare...Hi HiI don't have a problem running the batteries, it's keeping them charged at a rate that they can handle. We don't often loose power here, but there are those times. I plan to buy a generator, but still like the idea of the batteries. I've had other's say they have just used a regular car battery charger with no problems. I'm just thinking there is no regulation or isolation at all on them. What is the thought on just using a battery charger. Mathew -Original Message- From: Neil McKie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 1:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries The method I have prefered over the years is the Motorola Micor repeater TPN1105A/TPN1106A Power Supples that also charge the battery. The radio site near here uses that power supply to run both repeaters and charge the battery as well. Just my opinion. I have the one power supply that is in service and three more for spare parts. A number of years ago, had one site with three 100 watt Micor repeaters ... each repeater had one of the power supplies. The output of the three power supplies were paralleled and charged two Size 8D 'cat batteries.' One day I went to the site on a maintenance schedule and found one side of the radio systems primary power circuit breaker had failed. That caused one of the above power supplies to power all three 100 watt repeaters - for how long? I didn't know. Seems two of the repeaters were plugged into the failed side of the power line / the remaining repeater was on the other side of the power line. BTW, two of the repeaters were public safety / the power supply that was supplying all the power was on the amateur radio repeater. Neil - WA6KLA Tony King, W4ZT wrote: One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
And also note that marine grade batteries wont last very long in standby duty,a little better than a car battery but not much. Its worth the extra money to buy gel cell type batteries designed for that type of duty.They are also totally sealed which may be required if used in your home or at a big tower site. Ever see a hydrogen explosion rip apart a battery? Also,pay attention to the recommended float voltages of the manufacturer,also a good idea to give them an equalizing charge monthly. I have run battery backup here for 27 years! Fuse everything! 73,Lee,N3APP Tony King, W4ZT wrote: One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
I agree! One only know how much damage could have been created once the power supply died. I don't even know if it sent any power backwards, but no damage to the equipment. The donator of the batteries is a commercial broadcast technician as is his father, and has offered his knowledge in helping with the repeater. So this is all a good thing. Mathew -Original Message- From: Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:05 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries And also note that marine grade batteries wont last very long in standby duty,a little better than a car battery but not much. Its worth the extra money to buy gel cell type batteries designed for that type of duty.They are also totally sealed which may be required if used in your home or at a big tower site. Ever see a hydrogen explosion rip apart a battery? Also,pay attention to the recommended float voltages of the manufacturer,also a good idea to give them an equalizing charge monthly. I have run battery backup here for 27 years! Fuse everything! 73,Lee,N3APP Tony King, W4ZT wrote: One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Pretty Expensive, my cost as a dealer is near the $200.00 mark, and that's before shipping. At least for the good ones. Might work. Mathew -Original Message- From: Mark Holman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:55 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries I was wondering about those new Dry Batteries that the young generation is using for their mobile Ghetto Blasters I cannot recall right now ( Brain Tired ) the brand name but Auto Zone Just started carrying them. be kinda interesting the Amper Hour Rating on those ! M. H. - Original Message - From: Q [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries And also note that marine grade batteries wont last very long in standby duty,a little better than a car battery but not much. Its worth the extra money to buy gel cell type batteries designed for that type of duty.They are also totally sealed which may be required if used in your home or at a big tower site. Ever see a hydrogen explosion rip apart a battery? Also,pay attention to the recommended float voltages of the manufacturer,also a good idea to give them an equalizing charge monthly. I have run battery backup here for 27 years! Fuse everything! 73,Lee,N3APP Tony King, W4ZT wrote: One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Just to add to Russ, W3CH. The local club in NJ that did this did NOT install the battery's in the UPS. That was not made real clear. They sit next to the APC brand UPS in two Sears battery boxes. This has been working on there repeater for well over a year. Russ is correct it is very cost effective back up power. 73, Dean Westbrook, EE,PE. Cook Towers, INC. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
I think you are talking about Optima batteries. Yea I've got one in my Minivan :) It's the main battery and has been working great for quite awile. 3 year free replacement. I have the Red top battery but all the young bucks say the yellow lasts longer. I didn't see much difference. http://www.optimabatteries.com/publish/optima/americas0/en/config/home.html I'm adding a second one thats going to live in the rear part of the van. You can mount these upside down in the passenger seat if you so desire. No venting issues (they say) Real nice thing if you have a GM (side post) battery, It gives you that extra set of top posts to wire radios to in a separate set of circuits. I'm running a 4 guage to the rear of the van and using a expansion block to split it off to several fused circuits for other radios. Also fused at the battery. K4RJJ - Original Message - From: Mark Holman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries I was wondering about those new Dry Batteries that the young generation is using for their mobile Ghetto Blasters I cannot recall right now ( Brain Tired ) the brand name but Auto Zone Just started carrying them. be kinda interesting the Amper Hour Rating on those ! M. H. - Original Message - From: Q [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries And also note that marine grade batteries wont last very long in standby duty,a little better than a car battery but not much. Its worth the extra money to buy gel cell type batteries designed for that type of duty.They are also totally sealed which may be required if used in your home or at a big tower site. Ever see a hydrogen explosion rip apart a battery? Also,pay attention to the recommended float voltages of the manufacturer,also a good idea to give them an equalizing charge monthly. I have run battery backup here for 27 years! Fuse everything! 73,Lee,N3APP Tony King, W4ZT wrote: One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Mathew where are you buying yours? Ebay has lots! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=7948379212category=33574 - Original Message - From: Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:13 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries Pretty Expensive, my cost as a dealer is near the $200.00 mark, and that's before shipping. At least for the good ones. Might work. Mathew -Original Message- From: Mark Holman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:55 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries I was wondering about those new Dry Batteries that the young generation is using for their mobile Ghetto Blasters I cannot recall right now ( Brain Tired ) the brand name but Auto Zone Just started carrying them. be kinda interesting the Amper Hour Rating on those ! M. H. - Original Message - From: Q [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries And also note that marine grade batteries wont last very long in standby duty,a little better than a car battery but not much. Its worth the extra money to buy gel cell type batteries designed for that type of duty.They are also totally sealed which may be required if used in your home or at a big tower site. Ever see a hydrogen explosion rip apart a battery? Also,pay attention to the recommended float voltages of the manufacturer,also a good idea to give them an equalizing charge monthly. I have run battery backup here for 27 years! Fuse everything! 73,Lee,N3APP Tony King, W4ZT wrote: One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
We also use the same idea here ... we use 2 batts from the scotters .. thay are sealed lead acids . work great !! and thay can really be drawn down if needed ( that's what thay where made to do) and the price is not bad .. we paid $100 each for them and verry will worth it and we also have them on the outside of the UPS .. thay wont fint inside :) if any one wants a model # I can provide or just go down to your local batt store .. NO not sears or the same .. but a true batt store and look around Rick On 21 Jan 2005 at 19:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to add to Russ, W3CH. The local club in NJ that did this did NOT install the battery's in the UPS. That was not made real clear. They sit next to the APC brand UPS in two Sears battery boxes. This has been working on there repeater for well over a year. Russ is correct it is very cost effective back up power. 73, Dean Westbrook, EE,PE. Cook Towers, INC. Rick Szajkowski VA3 RZS Charlotte Darby VA3 CMR Node Owners of IRLP Node 2120 Lakefield Ont Canada -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 1/17/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Mathew You should at least check the option BB on the Astron. The backup option gives 13.8V current limited at about 3A. We just replaced four deep cycle batteries in parallel after about seven years of service being kept alive with the BB option. Gran K6RIF At 09:11 1/21/2005, you wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Well the battery and power supply problem was rectified by a ham that lives about 30 miles from the repeater. He recently began using the repeater. He over heard me talking to another ham telling him what happened to the power supply, and jumped in and donated three large capacity lead-acid batteries that came out of a telephone tower with the power supply to charge them. He is going to and set them up here in a few days. Luck would have it, that his dad and him are both commercial broadcast technicians and is offering his services on the repeater technical end. I do appreciate all the support regarding this. Mathew From: Gran Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:12 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries Mathew You should at least check the option BB on the Astron. The backup option gives 13.8V current limited at about 3A. We just replaced four deep cycle batteries in parallel after about seven years of service being kept alive with the BB option. Gran K6RIF At 09:11 1/21/2005, you wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
I've been doing some research into 3-mode battery chargers and the Ibex units seem to fit the bill for my application. Using your link, I checked their web site but they state they will not sell to individuals. Is this true and is there a way around this? Richard, N7TGB -Original Message- From: Tony King, W4ZT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:59 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
I have bought from them several times in the past and they said on the phone that they will sell to hams. Their service was good. They don't or didn't take credit cards but did ship as soon as they received my check. 73, Tony W4ZT Richard wrote: I've been doing some research into 3-mode battery chargers and the Ibex units seem to fit the bill for my application. Using your link, I checked their web site but they state they will not sell to individuals. Is this true and is there a way around this? Richard, N7TGB -Original Message- From: Tony King, W4ZT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:59 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
The method I have prefered over the years is the Motorola Micor repeater TPN1105A/TPN1106A Power Supples that also charge the battery. The radio site near here uses that power supply to run both repeaters and charge the battery as well. Just my opinion. I have the one power supply that is in service and three more for spare parts. A number of years ago, had one site with three 100 watt Micor repeaters ... each repeater had one of the power supplies. The output of the three power supplies were paralleled and charged two Size 8D 'cat batteries.' One day I went to the site on a maintenance schedule and found one side of the radio systems primary power circuit breaker had failed. That caused one of the above power supplies to power all three 100 watt repeaters - for how long? I didn't know. Seems two of the repeaters were plugged into the failed side of the power line / the remaining repeater was on the other side of the power line. BTW, two of the repeaters were public safety / the power supply that was supplying all the power was on the amateur radio repeater. Neil - WA6KLA Tony King, W4ZT wrote: One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Got one to spare...Hi HiI don't have a problem running the batteries, it's keeping them charged at a rate that they can handle. We don't often loose power here, but there are those times. I plan to buy a generator, but still like the idea of the batteries. I've had other's say they have just used a regular car battery charger with no problems. I'm just thinking there is no regulation or isolation at all on them. What is the thought on just using a battery charger. Mathew -Original Message- From: Neil McKie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 1:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries The method I have prefered over the years is the Motorola Micor repeater TPN1105A/TPN1106A Power Supples that also charge the battery. The radio site near here uses that power supply to run both repeaters and charge the battery as well. Just my opinion. I have the one power supply that is in service and three more for spare parts. A number of years ago, had one site with three 100 watt Micor repeaters ... each repeater had one of the power supplies. The output of the three power supplies were paralleled and charged two Size 8D 'cat batteries.' One day I went to the site on a maintenance schedule and found one side of the radio systems primary power circuit breaker had failed. That caused one of the above power supplies to power all three 100 watt repeaters - for how long? I didn't know. Seems two of the repeaters were plugged into the failed side of the power line / the remaining repeater was on the other side of the power line. BTW, two of the repeaters were public safety / the power supply that was supplying all the power was on the amateur radio repeater. Neil - WA6KLA Tony King, W4ZT wrote: One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them. Ibex http://www.ibexmfg.com carries two 3 mode chargers that are very well suited for the job. If you look at their web page under the 12 volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability. That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion. Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of the AC power supply and the batteries. I personally prefer to do this with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time and be there when you need them. 73, Tony W4ZT w9mwq wrote: Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries
Hey every one, Here is something neat. One of the repeater groups around here took a computer type UPS and took out the lead acid battery and installed two deep cycle marine batteries in parallel and it seems to work fine for them. The repeater has no hum or buzz. Mite be some thing to look into. It sure would be down and dirty cheap. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: w9mwq [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries Last night my power supply took a dump! Good thing for backups. Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the batteries. If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of noise, or would the batteries filter that. What would be a good source to charge these batteries? The power supply that will be taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron 52 Amp Rack Mount Supply. I have heard in the past that batteries have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if true or not. Any ideas? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
