Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link
When I say through one of the groups I refer to arrl VEC groups. You fill out ARRL VEC Form 605-C and mail it to one of the groups. Must be signed by the trustee and one officer of the club (may not be the same person). I tried changing it in the ULS system, and was _NOT_ allowed to do so. I did change my 0wn addres twice with no problem. For clarification, see: http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/605ins.html#club Interesting, it does not state that the officers of a club, other than the trustee, need to hold a ham license. Trustee must hold any class license other than Novice. How long ago did your trustee move? I is most likely that he was only able to change the address for his license, and not the club license, using the ULS system. Wayne WA2YNE On Wed, 21 May 2008 20:41:49 -0500, Mike Besemer (WM4B) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wayne, What do you mean 'routing it through one of the groups'? I'm not positive, but when the holder of our club call moved, I think he just had to go into ULS and request the changes to the mailing address. I'll ask him when I talk to him again, but I remember him saying he had a problem only because he'd never registered in ULS. Mike WM4B -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link I had tried a Google search, but as one person pointed out, too many web sites not updated. Now I see it is best to simply go directly to the FCC web site and look. regarding club calls/licenses, you cannot even put in a change of address without routing it through one of the groups, as I found out. Wayne WA2YNE On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:25:21 -0500, Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To get any FCC regs go to: http://www.fcc.gov/ Select on the left Rules Regulations. At the top select Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations. Now you can scroll down and select ANY Part you want including Part 97, the Amateur RAdio rules. You will be taken to another site. I always go to the first page of a reg to see its date. For at least 6 months after the changes in Feb 2007 when the code was removed, changes in AUX freq, etc the site had not been updated. The ARRL site was the same. Both now appear up to date. At the FCC.gov site one can do many things like apply for some license, get vanity call, renew, etc. They even take credit cards. However, a club call must be applied for on hard paper thru a VEC like ARRL or W5YI. 73, ron, n9ee/r -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link
Well, he moved quite a while ago, but the updating of the license data was forgotten about until I noticed it on QRZ.com. I forgot to ask him what he ended up doing... I'll try to file that particular brain-cell away into the 'important' database. Mike WM4B -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 3:11 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link When I say through one of the groups I refer to arrl VEC groups. You fill out ARRL VEC Form 605-C and mail it to one of the groups. Must be signed by the trustee and one officer of the club (may not be the same person). I tried changing it in the ULS system, and was _NOT_ allowed to do so. I did change my 0wn addres twice with no problem. For clarification, see: http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/605ins.html#club Interesting, it does not state that the officers of a club, other than the trustee, need to hold a ham license. Trustee must hold any class license other than Novice. How long ago did your trustee move? I is most likely that he was only able to change the address for his license, and not the club license, using the ULS system. Wayne WA2YNE On Wed, 21 May 2008 20:41:49 -0500, Mike Besemer (WM4B) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wayne, What do you mean 'routing it through one of the groups'? I'm not positive, but when the holder of our club call moved, I think he just had to go into ULS and request the changes to the mailing address. I'll ask him when I talk to him again, but I remember him saying he had a problem only because he'd never registered in ULS. Mike WM4B -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link I had tried a Google search, but as one person pointed out, too many web sites not updated. Now I see it is best to simply go directly to the FCC web site and look. regarding club calls/licenses, you cannot even put in a change of address without routing it through one of the groups, as I found out. Wayne WA2YNE On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:25:21 -0500, Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To get any FCC regs go to: http://www.fcc.gov/ Select on the left Rules Regulations. At the top select Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations. Now you can scroll down and select ANY Part you want including Part 97, the Amateur RAdio rules. You will be taken to another site. I always go to the first page of a reg to see its date. For at least 6 months after the changes in Feb 2007 when the code was removed, changes in AUX freq, etc the site had not been updated. The ARRL site was the same. Both now appear up to date. At the FCC.gov site one can do many things like apply for some license, get vanity call, renew, etc. They even take credit cards. However, a club call must be applied for on hard paper thru a VEC like ARRL or W5YI. 73, ron, n9ee/r -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link
Wayne, What do you mean 'routing it through one of the groups'? I'm not positive, but when the holder of our club call moved, I think he just had to go into ULS and request the changes to the mailing address. I'll ask him when I talk to him again, but I remember him saying he had a problem only because he'd never registered in ULS. Mike WM4B -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link I had tried a Google search, but as one person pointed out, too many web sites not updated. Now I see it is best to simply go directly to the FCC web site and look. regarding club calls/licenses, you cannot even put in a change of address without routing it through one of the groups, as I found out. Wayne WA2YNE On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:25:21 -0500, Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To get any FCC regs go to: http://www.fcc.gov/ Select on the left Rules Regulations. At the top select Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations. Now you can scroll down and select ANY Part you want including Part 97, the Amateur RAdio rules. You will be taken to another site. I always go to the first page of a reg to see its date. For at least 6 months after the changes in Feb 2007 when the code was removed, changes in AUX freq, etc the site had not been updated. The ARRL site was the same. Both now appear up to date. At the FCC.gov site one can do many things like apply for some license, get vanity call, renew, etc. They even take credit cards. However, a club call must be applied for on hard paper thru a VEC like ARRL or W5YI. 73, ron, n9ee/r -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link
Why is it that it seems to be hard to locate the updated part 97.201 other than on the ARRL web site? I searched and searched but only came up with the older version till I searched on the ARRL site. At any rate, it does now allow one to use parts of two meter as control links. Arguing otherwise is futile, no matter how one looks at it. I would agree that it would be better to use a coordinated link when practical, plus best to use a link that is either at least 5 MHz away on say 70 centimeters, or on a different band, with good filtering on the RX to prevent problems from nearby strong signals. And using CTCSS helps prevent problems as well. For many, using a less commonly used tone might help. Also, by using a link frequency that was assigned, or at least coordinated gives one some degree of protection. Regarding using a receiver only at the repeater site, still means there is a transmitter to access said RX unit. So it still comes under control link. I have heard hams try to interpret the rules to say something other than what is in plain language. As an example, some tried to say that a repeater owner was resposible for any non legal talk or communications on his repeater, such as foul language. Not true, unless the owner or control operator does nothing to control it once said control is aware of the problem. This is as simple as shutting down the repeater at the time. Let us keep this to facts, not what was or what never was fact... YMMV Wayne WA2YNE 441.950TX 446.950RX CG Tone167.9 (Mine is a GE). On Sat, 17 May 2008 22:11:11 -0500, MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the users at the control points transmit. In WPA, such links are coordinated for a particular radius in which the station is coordinated. It helps assure that the receiver does not receive interference from other such links. Joe M. Kris Kirby wrote: On Sat, 17 May 2008, Ron Wright wrote: ยง97.213 Telecommand of an amateur station. If radio, the control link must use an auxiliary station. This says it all. A control link for controlling a repeater by radio is an auxiliary station. Also in 97.201 the freq coordination for Aux stations follows similar to repeaters. If interference the coordinated aux station has preference over non-coordinated. I really don't want to split hairs further, but there is a thought here that occurs to me -- the FCC does not require recievers to be licensed. If you are using the control link as a recieve-only radio... What coordination would be required? Is it an auxilary station? If the radio doesn't transmit -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link
-Original Message- From: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 19, 2008 2:57 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link Why is it that it seems to be hard to locate the updated part 97.201 other than on the ARRL web site? I searched and searched but only came up with the older version till I searched on the ARRL site. Did you try the FCC website? 3 clicks from the home page and you're there. And in PDF form, too, which makes searching the rules for keywords SOO much nicer! (I downloaded all of the subparts assembled them into 1 PDF document with Acrobat 6.0) George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413
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Wayne wrote: Why is it that it seems to be hard to locate the updated part 97.201 other than on the ARRL web site? I searched and searched but only came up with the older version till I searched on the ARRL site. Because most hams who have websites are clueless that Part 97 ever changes. And personal websites are boring to maintain, after seeming fun at first. (There's a lot of crappy neglected websites out there, including mine. GRIN...) They copied down some version a long time ago and never update it, instead of linking to someone who has a vested interest in having their site up to date, like ARRL or -- oh yeah, the FCC themselves. :-) Which means they kinda missed the whole design goal of hypertext and linking in the first place... Nate WY0X
Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link
George Henry wrote: Did you try the FCC website? 3 clicks from the home page and you're there. And in PDF form, too, which makes searching the rules for keywords SOO much nicer! (I downloaded all of the subparts assembled them into 1 PDF document with Acrobat 6.0) This link: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/onepage.html Is the entire thing on one page, and CTRL-F in your browser will do the same thing, a heck of a lot faster than launching Acrobat. Nate WY0X
Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link
To get any FCC regs go to: http://www.fcc.gov/ Select on the left Rules Regulations. At the top select Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations. Now you can scroll down and select ANY Part you want including Part 97, the Amateur RAdio rules. You will be taken to another site. I always go to the first page of a reg to see its date. For at least 6 months after the changes in Feb 2007 when the code was removed, changes in AUX freq, etc the site had not been updated. The ARRL site was the same. Both now appear up to date. At the FCC.gov site one can do many things like apply for some license, get vanity call, renew, etc. They even take credit cards. However, a club call must be applied for on hard paper thru a VEC like ARRL or W5YI. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 5:24 PM, George Henry wrote: -Original Message- From: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 19, 2008 2:57 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] part 97.201 was Control Link Why is it that it seems to be hard to locate the updated part 97.201 other than on the ARRL web site? I searched and searched but only came up with the older version till I searched on the ARRL site. Did you try the FCC website? 3 clicks from the home page and you're there. And in PDF form, too, which makes searching the rules for keywords SOO much nicer! (I downloaded all of the subparts assembled them into 1 PDF document with Acrobat 6.0) George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
RE: [Repeater-Builder]Part 97.201 was Control Link
Or try here for the official copy: http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/cfr/1998/47cfr9 7.pdf Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Nate Duehr George Henry wrote: Did you try the FCC website? 3 clicks from the home page and you're there. And in PDF form, too, which makes searching the rules for keywords SOO much nicer! (I downloaded all of the subparts assembled them into 1 PDF document with Acrobat 6.0) This link: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/onepage.html Is the entire thing on one page, and CTRL-F in your browser will do the same thing, a heck of a lot faster than launching Acrobat. Nate WY0X
RE: [Repeater-Builder]Part 97.201 was Control Link
Or, you can get the complete and latest edition of Part 97 here: www.repeater-builder.com/fcc/2007-part-97-rules.pdf Please take careful note that the latest and current edition of Part 97 is dated October 2007. The next edition will be dated October 2008, and will be published in January 2009. The current editions of Parts 15, 17, 90, and 95 are also available for download on the RBTIP. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n9wys Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 6:15 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder]Part 97.201 was Control Link Or try here for the official copy: http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/cfr/1998/47cfr9 http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/cfr/1998/47cfr9 7.pdf Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Nate Duehr George Henry wrote: Did you try the FCC website? 3 clicks from the home page and you're there. And in PDF form, too, which makes searching the rules for keywords SOO much nicer! (I downloaded all of the subparts assembled them into 1 PDF document with Acrobat 6.0) This link: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/onepage.html http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/onepage.html Is the entire thing on one page, and CTRL-F in your browser will do the same thing, a heck of a lot faster than launching Acrobat. Nate WY0X
Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link
- Original Message - From: Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link George Henry wrote: Did you try the FCC website? 3 clicks from the home page and you're there. And in PDF form, too, which makes searching the rules for keywords SOO much nicer! (I downloaded all of the subparts assembled them into 1 PDF document with Acrobat 6.0) This link: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/onepage.html Is the entire thing on one page, and CTRL-F in your browser will do the same thing, a heck of a lot faster than launching Acrobat. Nate WY0X Maybe so, but Acrobat will show you a pane with all of the occurrences of your keywords, in context... CTRL-F can't do that!
Re: [Repeater-Builder]part 97.201 was Control Link
I went to the ARRL site and got to Part 97 which came up as a web page. I select in EDIT SELECT ALL, COPY and then PASTE in Wordpad. Sure does not have all the pretty stuff, but does save the text. The FCC web site takes one to a list of each section and not the entire Part in one file. Good for moving around. There are many ways of saveing it. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:55 PM, George Henry wrote: - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] part 97.201 was Control Link George Henry wrote: Did you try the FCC website? 3 clicks from the home page and you're there. And in PDF form, too, which makes searching the rules for keywords SOO much nicer! (I downloaded all of the subparts assembled them into 1 PDF document with Acrobat 6.0) This link: http://www.arrl. org/FandES/ field/regulation s/news/part97/ onepage.html http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/onepage.html Is the entire thing on one page, and CTRL-F in your browser will do the same thing, a heck of a lot faster than launching Acrobat. Nate WY0X Maybe so, but Acrobat will show you a pane with all of the occurrences of your keywords, in context... CTRL-F can't do that! http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/onepage.html
