Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
The TS-64 that I had included a filter for the decoder. It filters out audio and only passes the 30 Hz to 300 Hz audio. Then that audio is feed into the decoder input. Charles Miller - Original Message - From: wb6ymh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Charles Miller ham- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with my TS-64 in my VHF Micor repeater. I had to use the input filter on the TS-64 and it started to work as good or better than the /\/\ decoder did. The discriminator audio has a lot of low frequency noise that was causing the decoder to delay the decode about 400mS. After the filter was used in took less than 100mS to decode. I have not had a single problem after doing that. Charles Miller. Sorry, I don't follow. You had to use what input filter? 73's Skip WB6YMH Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
The Communications Specialists web site shows no such configuration. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? The TS-64 that I had included a filter for the decoder. It filters out audio and only passes the 30 Hz to 300 Hz audio. Then that audio is feed into the decoder input. Charles Miller - Original Message - From: wb6ymh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Charles Miller ham- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with my TS-64 in my VHF Micor repeater. I had to use the input filter on the TS-64 and it started to work as good or better than the /\/\ decoder did. The discriminator audio has a lot of low frequency noise that was causing the decoder to delay the decode about 400mS. After the filter was used in took less than 100mS to decode. I have not had a single problem after doing that. Charles Miller. Sorry, I don't follow. You had to use what input filter? 73's Skip WB6YMH Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
Chuck is correct. The on-board included HIGH-PASS filter is used in the audio path to the controller to filter out PL tones. The PL tone decoder has its own LOW-PASS filter which allows only PL tones to pass to the decoder (maybe that is what Charles meant). The board audio input J1D (Green wire) feeds both the high and low pass filters. The high-pass filter output (usually goes to the controller) is J1G (Blue wire). The decode time specification for the TS-64 is 150 ms nominal. Good info can be found at the Communications-Specialist-Inc website site. http://www.com-spec.com/index1.htm 73, Tony VE3DWI -Original Message- From: Chuck Kelsey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Communications Specialists web site shows no such configuration. Chuck WB2EDV The TS-64 that I had included a filter for the decoder. It filters out audio and only passes the 30 Hz to 300 Hz audio. Then that audio is feed into the decoder input. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 19/08/2004 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
Let me see if I can find the paper work for the unit that I have in the repeater. Charles Miller - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? The Communications Specialists web site shows no such configuration. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? The TS-64 that I had included a filter for the decoder. It filters out audio and only passes the 30 Hz to 300 Hz audio. Then that audio is feed into the decoder input. Charles Miller - Original Message - From: wb6ymh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Charles Miller ham- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with my TS-64 in my VHF Micor repeater. I had to use the input filter on the TS-64 and it started to work as good or better than the /\/\ decoder did. The discriminator audio has a lot of low frequency noise that was causing the decoder to delay the decode about 400mS. After the filter was used in took less than 100mS to decode. I have not had a single problem after doing that. Charles Miller. Sorry, I don't follow. You had to use what input filter? 73's Skip WB6YMH Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
Ok I finally found the book for the repeater. The repeater has a board the can have up to 16 TS-32P's. The board has a low pass filter in it that can be used if needed. The manufacture notes that some systems put out more noise from the discriminator than others and is the reason they have the filter. They go on to in detail how to determine if the filter is needed or not. The discriminator output runs to the board, if used goes through the filter, then into an amp to go into a splitter. This in turns feeds audio to the decoders. If the decoder is not used then a 600 ohm resistor is inserted where the decoder goes. This is to provide a constant load to the splitter output. During the testing of the repeater I found the decode delay to be about 400mS or more. The lower the tone to longer it took. I then used the filter and the decode time was less than 100mS for all tones used. You are correct in that the TS-32 and TS-64 do not have this feature. My apologizes to the group. The company that manufactured this board has long since gone away. I have not been able to find anything other than a community repeater tone controller which this is to take it's place. This thing was manufactured a very long time ago, probable before the programmable unit hit the market. It does however show that another board can be used to expand the number of decoders that can be used. It also has a feature to use a different encode tone that the decode tone. 73's Charles Miller WD5EEH - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? The Communications Specialists web site shows no such configuration. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? The TS-64 that I had included a filter for the decoder. It filters out audio and only passes the 30 Hz to 300 Hz audio. Then that audio is feed into the decoder input. Charles Miller - Original Message - From: wb6ymh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Charles Miller ham- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with my TS-64 in my VHF Micor repeater. I had to use the input filter on the TS-64 and it started to work as good or better than the /\/\ decoder did. The discriminator audio has a lot of low frequency noise that was causing the decoder to delay the decode about 400mS. After the filter was used in took less than 100mS to decode. I have not had a single problem after doing that. Charles Miller. Sorry, I don't follow. You had to use what input filter? 73's Skip WB6YMH Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
I'm wondering the same thing. Please explain in more detail. I know that there is an on-board filter to strip out the tone so it won't pass through and get heard on the speaker, but if you have that inserted ahead of the decoder, it shouldn't decode at all. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: wb6ymh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Charles Miller ham- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with my TS-64 in my VHF Micor repeater. I had to use the input filter on the TS-64 and it started to work as good or better than the /\/\ decoder did. The discriminator audio has a lot of low frequency noise that was causing the decoder to delay the decode about 400mS. After the filter was used in took less than 100mS to decode. I have not had a single problem after doing that. Charles Miller. Sorry, I don't follow. You had to use what input filter? 73's Skip WB6YMH Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
This has been brought up before, there are mods that allow you to speed up the decode time...below is where the info is on the Repeater-builder website. Communications Specialists Information Index ... Industries Modification of the TS-32 for faster response time Information supplied by Com-Spec TS-64 Instruction Sheet This is the full data package containing the schematic, tone chart, programming ... http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/com-spec-index.html - 5k - 2003-11-01 Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57 Member: ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and ORC Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ts 64 pickup time?
wb6ymh wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There should not be a significantly noticable difference between high and low tones. If the TS-64 is slow to open ( 250mS), either you have it tapped wrong (which is nearly impossible on a Micor), the encode tone is poor, or the decoder is malfunctioning. The problem occurs with all users so I doubt it's an encoder issue. The tone is 100.0 hz. I've never had a PL decoder on this particular box before, it use to be a packet repeater. Something else that just popped into my head-it could be that the IF and discrimintor is slightly off. It's a tough thing to set just right... -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
