Re: "Backup server" question

[matt barkdull]

I'm confused here a bit.  My clients only get asked at the beginning 
of the backup.  Not per folder.  Once the backup starts, it's backing 
up until they cancel or it finishes.

Several of the people like to shut down their Macs at night, so they 
choose Shutdown and leave it at the Retrospect shutdown warning 
dialog...which goes into screen saver.  Then after the backup, the 
machine will automatically shutdown.

If a machine is shut off already, obviously, it won't back up at all. 
Laptops that are "sound asleep" won't wake up, but if they are just 
resting they will.  My PC laptop has two sleep modes.  Hibernation 
and normal sleep.  Normal sleep just puts the HD to sleep, screen 
dims and the processor slows down.  Hibernation saves the current 
state to disk and shuts down.  When woke up, it reloads the current 
state and checks for changes (ie. unplugged).




>Don't forget that if you enter 0 in the "Client Countdown" option, the
>client won't get a chance to defer the backup. I have a few users that just
>didn't want to deal with a dialog box for each folder getting backed up on
>their machine. So I set the countdown to zero and they set their CPU usage
>preference to favor them over the backup process and not be notified when
>backup is complete. It's been working well.
>
>Speaking of this, I have a question about backup server behavior. When a
>user has shut down (Mac) and the client defers it until backup, is the
>machine supposed to stay on until each folder is backed up (like a regular
>backup script) or are backup server scripts designed to shut down after only
>the first folder is backed up? (I'm using groups, by the way.)
>
>Thanks.
>
>Scott Ponzani



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Re: "Backup server" question

[Michael Lapham]

Yet another method.

I have four different backup server scripts. All of them follow these
patterns.
1   Run from 7:00 am to 6:00 pm.
2   Attempt to backup laptops daily
3   Backs up to two file sets each (A & B), rather than tape. This is to
reduce wear and tear on any slower network connections. Two are used to
insure availability of backup data when alternate backup set is reset.
4   On alternate bi-weekly cycles each file set is reset and backup all
members of its group.
5   Sets are backed up to tape every three months.


These are the different scripts in use

1   PC laptops - Script targets specific directories such as Mail,
Documents and PIM files.
2   Mac laptops - Users assign a backup label to folders or files to
determine what to backup. I preset the  preferences, mail and browser
folders. The last label is reserved for this function.
3   Encrypted file set - For obvious reasons such as the publisher.
4   All Data - For systems that are so complex to setup that I don't
want to rebuild them.



> From: Julia Frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:59:10 -0500
> To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: "Backup server" question
> 
> At 10:46 PM -0600 1/17/01, Steve Yuroff wrote:
>> Hello, list!
>> 
>> I've read the manual, reviewed the archives, but I'm still not sure
>> if this is a good idea, (or if I completely "get it") so I'd like
>> the list's input:
>> 
>> I'm responsible for a 100bT network with about 50 desktops, 15
>> laptops and 3 servers, backing up to a DDS-3 8 tape autoloader, and
>> perhaps soon to an AIT-II autoloader.  I've been using a backup
>> script to handle the backups, but it has the problem of missing the
>> commonly absent laptops.  I'm looking at using the "backup server"
>> feature to access the laptops on demand.  What I'm not clear on is
>> the best way to do it, and have 2 ideas:
>> 
>> 1) Have a script that backs up all the desktops (user machines and
>> servers) overnight, and backup all the laptops via Backup Server
>> starting early in the day. This way, the laptops left overnight
>> could get backed up before the users arrive, and those that arrive
>> later will get addressed as they're available. However, if I do
>> this, can both methods write to the same storage set?
>> 
>> 2) Do all the machines via Backup Server.  But is there a way to use
>> Backup Server and guarantee that Retrospect won't try to access
>> desktops and servers during the day, but only at night?  It seems to
>> me that if I make the active time start at midnight with a "backup
>> every 24 hrs" set, it should work that way, but I'm not confident
>> I'm right.
> 
> I may end up going to the style recommended by Craig in another
> email, once we get our new tape drive system. But I started with an
> experiment with a backup server script, so this is what I do:
> 
> Laptop backup server runs from 8:30 to 3:30, Monday-Friday. All the
> laptop user's hard drives (not the client itself, otherwise it will
> back up floppies and zips and annoy the users) are in this backup
> set. Users can defer the backup to a later time, but know when it
> ends so they plan accordingly. They have their own backup tape.
> 
> Desktop and servers run on a regular script, which runs at night.
> They have their own set of backup tapes, which rotates every night
> for two weeks of tapes.
> 
> I hope this helps!
> 
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Re: "Backup server" question

[Scott Ponzani]

Don't forget that if you enter 0 in the "Client Countdown" option, the
client won't get a chance to defer the backup. I have a few users that just
didn't want to deal with a dialog box for each folder getting backed up on
their machine. So I set the countdown to zero and they set their CPU usage
preference to favor them over the backup process and not be notified when
backup is complete. It's been working well.

Speaking of this, I have a question about backup server behavior. When a
user has shut down (Mac) and the client defers it until backup, is the
machine supposed to stay on until each folder is backed up (like a regular
backup script) or are backup server scripts designed to shut down after only
the first folder is backed up? (I'm using groups, by the way.)

Thanks.

Scott Ponzani


> From: matt barkdull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:20:29 -0900
> To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: "Backup server" question
> 
>> Essentially, here's what you want to do:
>> 
>> 1. Create a backup server script (Automate>Scripts>New>Backup Server) that
>> backs up notebooks all the time (the default).
>> 
>> 2. Create another backup server script that backs up desktops between 8PM
>> and 8AM only.
>> 
>> 3. Create a third script that's a regular script that backs up the servers
>> at your desired start time.
>> 
>> What will happen:
>> 
>> Notebooks will be backed up during the day, as they appear on the network.
>> Desktops will only be backed up at night. Servers will be backed up when
>> scheduled (overriding the backup server scripts). When the servers are done,
>> the backup server scripts will start again.
> 
> I'll add to this by saying that your laptop users will have the
> choice of deferring the backups as they come up as well.  Plus, if
> that script is 24 hours, they could choose to have it back up at
> night and leave the laptop connected.
> 
> I use 2 scripts.  One for all desktops and servers.  Backs those up
> every night between 7pm and 6am and from Friday at 7pm until 6am
> Monday it does the full backup.
> 
> The laptop script uses the same backup set and backs up the laptops
> as they come available or when they schedule to do the backup.
> (setting in the clients).  I've got several laptop users that will
> force a backup before they leave each night or before they go on a
> trip.
> 
> It works well.  I used to have two different backup sets, but I also
> had a DAT tape changer.  I now use a single DLT drive which has twice
> the capacity of the Changer and my number of clients were cut to
> about 1/4th of what they were.  The data being backed up is about the
> same size though.  Strangely enough...
> Backed up about 30 GB with the changer and about 70 machines.  Now, I
> have 20 machines and backup about 35 GB.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
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Unattended preference in Express

[Scott Ponzani]

I've used Retrospect at work for about a year. I just purchased and started
using Retrospect Express at home. Wouldn't be without either one.

Being accustomed to the full version, using the more "restricted" Express
has presented some challenges. For one, I'd like to be able to change the
time that Express looks ahead when deciding whether to follow the Unattended
option. I suspect it's fixed, however I'd be willing to use a ResEdit hack
(on a copy, of course!). Can anyone help?

Thanks.

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Re: "Backup server" question

[Julia Frizzell]

At 10:46 PM -0600 1/17/01, Steve Yuroff wrote:
>Hello, list!
>
>I've read the manual, reviewed the archives, but I'm still not sure 
>if this is a good idea, (or if I completely "get it") so I'd like 
>the list's input:
>
>I'm responsible for a 100bT network with about 50 desktops, 15 
>laptops and 3 servers, backing up to a DDS-3 8 tape autoloader, and 
>perhaps soon to an AIT-II autoloader.  I've been using a backup 
>script to handle the backups, but it has the problem of missing the 
>commonly absent laptops.  I'm looking at using the "backup server" 
>feature to access the laptops on demand.  What I'm not clear on is 
>the best way to do it, and have 2 ideas:
>
>1) Have a script that backs up all the desktops (user machines and 
>servers) overnight, and backup all the laptops via Backup Server 
>starting early in the day. This way, the laptops left overnight 
>could get backed up before the users arrive, and those that arrive 
>later will get addressed as they're available. However, if I do 
>this, can both methods write to the same storage set?
>
>2) Do all the machines via Backup Server.  But is there a way to use 
>Backup Server and guarantee that Retrospect won't try to access 
>desktops and servers during the day, but only at night?  It seems to 
>me that if I make the active time start at midnight with a "backup 
>every 24 hrs" set, it should work that way, but I'm not confident 
>I'm right.

I may end up going to the style recommended by Craig in another 
email, once we get our new tape drive system. But I started with an 
experiment with a backup server script, so this is what I do:

Laptop backup server runs from 8:30 to 3:30, Monday-Friday. All the 
laptop user's hard drives (not the client itself, otherwise it will 
back up floppies and zips and annoy the users) are in this backup 
set. Users can defer the backup to a later time, but know when it 
ends so they plan accordingly. They have their own backup tape.

Desktop and servers run on a regular script, which runs at night. 
They have their own set of backup tapes, which rotates every night 
for two weeks of tapes.

I hope this helps!

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Re: "Backup server" question

[Tim David]

I don't know if this will work for you but it did for me.
I also have a small number of laptops in my backup routine (12 PowerBook G3's)
So I set up a separate script that attempts a backup at lunch everyday. They can
defer if they are working through lunch. I only back up their preferences
folder, Documents and the Desktop folder so it usually goes pretty fast. Even if
I don't get every laptop everyday at least I get them a couple of times a week.
The laptops are also on the regular nightly backups so if the do leave their
laptops in the building, they will get backed up then. I'm not too worried about
having them backed up twice, better to have too much backup than not enough.
Tim


matt barkdull wrote:

> >Essentially, here's what you want to do:
> >
> >1. Create a backup server script (Automate>Scripts>New>Backup Server) that
> >backs up notebooks all the time (the default).
> >
> >2. Create another backup server script that backs up desktops between 8PM
> >and 8AM only.
> >
> >3. Create a third script that's a regular script that backs up the servers
> >at your desired start time.
> >
> >What will happen:
> >
> >Notebooks will be backed up during the day, as they appear on the network.
> >Desktops will only be backed up at night. Servers will be backed up when
> >scheduled (overriding the backup server scripts). When the servers are done,
> >the backup server scripts will start again.
>
> I'll add to this by saying that your laptop users will have the
> choice of deferring the backups as they come up as well.  Plus, if
> that script is 24 hours, they could choose to have it back up at
> night and leave the laptop connected.
>
> I use 2 scripts.  One for all desktops and servers.  Backs those up
> every night between 7pm and 6am and from Friday at 7pm until 6am
> Monday it does the full backup.
>
> The laptop script uses the same backup set and backs up the laptops
> as they come available or when they schedule to do the backup.
> (setting in the clients).  I've got several laptop users that will
> force a backup before they leave each night or before they go on a
> trip.
>
> It works well.  I used to have two different backup sets, but I also
> had a DAT tape changer.  I now use a single DLT drive which has twice
> the capacity of the Changer and my number of clients were cut to
> about 1/4th of what they were.  The data being backed up is about the
> same size though.  Strangely enough...
> Backed up about 30 GB with the changer and about 70 machines.  Now, I
> have 20 machines and backup about 35 GB.
>
> Matt
>
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Re: User deferred messages

[Julia Frizzell]

At 11:59 AM + 1/18/01, Mark Witrylak wrote:
>As I am migrating my users to the MacOS9 environment, I am observing more
>and more of them missing a backup with message "User Deferred" being
>reported on my log:  I have checked the user-guide and e-mailed
>euro-support@Dantz, both to no avail.  Has anyone seen/overcome this
>problem?  (server is 4.3 on OS8.6, clients are 4.2a/4.3)

Are you using a Backup Server environment?

I have the laptops in our office backed up using a backup server 
during the day, wherein the users can defer the time of backup. But I 
use a non-server environment at night to back up the desktop clients, 
so there is no chance of the user deferring.

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Windows Client Question

[Julia Frizzell]

Okay, I'm going to admit my ignorance here.

We have a Mac-based server for Retrospect, and for the most part of 
Mac only clients. The few Windows NT clients we have are server, and 
are never shut off.

Well, we're now adding an NT machine that is not a server, and 
therefore it's usually turned off at night.

I need to know in what state the machine needs to be left in order to 
get it backed up. I have looked in the book, but I think this is 
something that's just intuitive to Windows folk, and not to me, who 
is used to Macs.

I feel silly asking this question, but I don't want to keep 
experimenting until I find out what works. :)

Thanks tons in advance!

[by the way, I'm only doing document/file backing up on this machine. 
No registry or program backing up.]
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RE: Backing up PC Outlook *.pst files with Retro 4.3 on the Mac

[Steve Maser]

>
>If you run backups from a Windows box, you can tell the Retrospect Client to
>exit Outlook 2000, start the backup, and then restart Outlook 2000.
>


So, is this a functionality that *will* be coming to the Mac version or not?

I (like others) am starting to get concerned that the only way to 
sucessfully back up Windows clients is by running the Windows version 
of Retrospect (and I include the Win2000 registry backup issue in my 
concern here...)

- Steve
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User deferred messages

[Mark Witrylak]

As I am migrating my users to the MacOS9 environment, I am observing more
and more of them missing a backup with message "User Deferred" being
reported on my log:  I have checked the user-guide and e-mailed
euro-support@Dantz, both to no avail.  Has anyone seen/overcome this
problem?  (server is 4.3 on OS8.6, clients are 4.2a/4.3)

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RE: "Backup server" question

[matt barkdull]

>Essentially, here's what you want to do:
>
>1. Create a backup server script (Automate>Scripts>New>Backup Server) that
>backs up notebooks all the time (the default).
>
>2. Create another backup server script that backs up desktops between 8PM
>and 8AM only.
>
>3. Create a third script that's a regular script that backs up the servers
>at your desired start time.
>
>What will happen:
>
>Notebooks will be backed up during the day, as they appear on the network.
>Desktops will only be backed up at night. Servers will be backed up when
>scheduled (overriding the backup server scripts). When the servers are done,
>the backup server scripts will start again.

I'll add to this by saying that your laptop users will have the 
choice of deferring the backups as they come up as well.  Plus, if 
that script is 24 hours, they could choose to have it back up at 
night and leave the laptop connected.

I use 2 scripts.  One for all desktops and servers.  Backs those up 
every night between 7pm and 6am and from Friday at 7pm until 6am 
Monday it does the full backup.

The laptop script uses the same backup set and backs up the laptops 
as they come available or when they schedule to do the backup. 
(setting in the clients).  I've got several laptop users that will 
force a backup before they leave each night or before they go on a 
trip.

It works well.  I used to have two different backup sets, but I also 
had a DAT tape changer.  I now use a single DLT drive which has twice 
the capacity of the Changer and my number of clients were cut to 
about 1/4th of what they were.  The data being backed up is about the 
same size though.  Strangely enough...
Backed up about 30 GB with the changer and about 70 machines.  Now, I 
have 20 machines and backup about 35 GB.

Matt



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