Re: [Rife-users] RIFE podcast

[Oliver Dohmen]

Hi,


So, any suggestions for the first podcast?


how about a introduction to RIFE, where it is going and who stands  
behind it. Maybe what`s the
difference to other Frameworks (and why we like type-safe languages  
and xml configurations.)


Maybe this can be a little advertising podcast for RIFE.

Best Regards, odo



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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE podcast

[Geert Bevin]

I really like the format of the JavaPosse, where they basically sit
around a (virtual) table and comment on news/interesting things.
Since the mailinglist has been getting a good amount of traffic since
a month or two, I was thinking of talking about the most interesting
subjects that were discussed there. Also, new efforts like the IDE
plugins can benefit from recent status updates. The same goes for
RIFE itself, and where the development is heading. We can also cover
interesting blogs and news-items that are RIFE-related. Another
possibility is to interview users about why they adopted RIFE, what
they like about it and what they find less well done.

However, I don't think that there's enough material for a weekly
podcast, so I'm thinking about a bi-weekly one. It doesn't have to be
very long either, 10-15 minutes could be enough to start out with.

Sounds good. I was thinking you were shooting for a weekly podcast.


Ok, we did the audio test and found how to get a good quality  
recording going.


So, any suggestions for the first podcast?


> I guess for me the blocker is the fact that you're going to have a
> bit of a time with just RIFE because of two things: A) low
> established userbase and B) complexity of the topic

I agree, explaining complex topics don't work on talk radio.


It seems that you can nowadays add texts, pictures and video excerpts  
to podcasts that are synced to the audio. We could use that when  
something can't be conveyed easily by just talking about it. This  
should be a last resort though, I think the main focus should be  
radio without having to watch something in particular.

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[Rife-users] Tomcat Authentication (was: WebDAV Methods, Sniffing, Authentication)

[F Baube]

> Nope, that's all done in the Authentication element. However, you need 
> nothing of this for HTTP authentication. I don't exactly remember how 
> that works but I suspect that you need to set a couple of headers.

It's dead simple; see next paragraph.  But the problem now is that 
Tomcat (version 5.5.12) will not give me access to its MemoryRealm, 
so I wonder if any of the Tomcat experts on the list can help me out.  
(See "HOWEVER", below.) 

"tcpmon" revealed what a Tomcat authentication adapter would need 
to do.  Tomcat replies to an unauthorised request with (for example)

HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized
WWW-Authenticate: Basic realm="Tomcat Manager Application"

When the browser sees "401", it ignores the body and puts up 
a login dialog box.  Click OK and the browser begins adding 
this header to every request: 

Authorization: Basic ZnJlZDp0b21jYXRkZXJm

The browser continues to send this "Authorization:" header with 
every subsequent GET.  The (sample) string "1jYXRkZXJmZnJlZDp0b2" 
is a base64 encoding (i.e. cleartext) of the string 

username:password

The browser keeps the user logged in until the browser is closed
and the browing session ends.  So it seems that to emulate this 
behavior, an adapter would have to check Tomcat's authentication 
 database on _every_ request. 

** HOWEVER ... 

An authentication adapter would ask Tomcat for direct access to 
the Realm that is in use.  But, I find that Tomcat is not being 
cooperative with its MemoryRealm authentication data  :-/ 

The wiki answers this question:
http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/HowTo#head-42e95596753a1fa4a4aa396d53010680e3d509b5

Q: How do I get direct access to a Tomcat Realm?

A: [..] Note that in order for this to work the Context 
   of the web application in question needs to have its 
   privileged attribute set to "true", otherwise web 
   apps do not have access to the Tomcat classes.
   [ then sample code is provided ] 

So, my start-up code makes these calls:

Server  server = ServerFactory.getServer();
Service svcs[] = server.findServices();

Unfortunately this code is returning a total _zero_ services, 
apparently/probably because the servlet is not privileged. So, 
I have tried editing a few candidate files, IAW what I have 
found on the web and in the book I have. 

Essentially, I have to mark my servlet's Context ("/mdc") 
with the attribute:  privileged="true"

There are three places where this should or could work:

* CATALINA_HOME/conf/server.xml 

* CATALINA_HOME/conf/[enginename]/[hostname] 

* CATALINA_HOME/conf/context.xml (so that _all_ servlets 
   that are not otherwise configured will be privileged) 

Unfortunately ... these are ALL failing to grant the privi-
lege required ... if indeed privilege is the issue here. 


Can anyone provide some guidance here ?


fred

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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE podcast

[Geert Bevin]

On 4-dec-05, at 17:36, Emmanuel Okyere wrote:


i don't listen to podcasts either, but it wouldn't hurt to add it; a
choice for those who do listen, at least.

maybe you could also consider adding sound to the videos, like the
simple blog example, etc... that shd add to the user experience of
those resources too.


Indeed, I'm planning to do that.


(OT) what software did u use for the screen captures? can anyone on
the list suggest a good free|open source|works-on-linux software for
screen capture that allows easy integration of sound? I was planning
to create a few video tutorials myself, down the line; I know of
vncrec and xvidcap, but working with sound with them isn't trivial.


Wink is an excellent free tool for this on Linux and Windows:
http://www.debugmode.com/wink/

It would be great if you make some tutorials too, they are really  
helpful for people. Adding sound isn't easy with Wink, but the forums  
have some excellent howtos for this that seems to work well.



thanks,
-- eokyere


On 12/4/05, JR Boyens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




On 12/4/05, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 12/3/05, Keith Lea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'll write since no one has responded. I don't listen to any  
podcasts

so I don't think I'll listen to a rife podcast.

Not listening to a podcast puts you in the minority I think. :)


It took me a while to start listening too, but now I really like to
listen to podcasts regularly.


since I like working with audio, I'd like to try to create a RIFE
podcast with regular content.

Any ideas for this?


A RIFE-flavored podcast might be a little narrow in the scope of
content. What I mean is, I think you might have trouble coming up
with things to write about. Unless you start trashing RoR and other
webapp frameworks and then interview their creators in a
"Hardball" / pundit show style. That would actually be really
really cool. Listen to two people argue about why one web framework
is better than another... Hmmm


That would be cool, a bit like the frameworks smackdown at the
previous JavaOne conference. Setting that up would take quite a bit
more work than just doing your own thing. I do want it to get a RIFE
branding though, for promotion.


Do you think it's a good idea?


Sure. Can't hurt, might help. Could be interesting.


Which topics would you like me to talk about?


Talking in a podcast is even harder than talking in front of people
in a presentation, so the topics will probably have to be shallow.
You're not going to be trying to explain all of RIFE in a podcast.
I know that there are terms and concepts that are hard to vocalize.


Well it's different, but it would let me practice my English
pronunciation skills. At JIA i remember that you ha an idea of doing
a RIFE / tech podcast yourself to practice your presentation skills.
Do you feel like helping out with this one? We could do it together.



 Sure, why not. I'd be willing to help out.


Any suggestions for regular themes or subjects?


As I said above the "argue with the developers" format would be an
excellent thing. Maybe a morning coffee notes style / here's what's
going on type of thing could be interesting as well.


I really like the format of the JavaPosse, where they basically sit
around a (virtual) table and comment on news/interesting things.
Since the mailinglist has been getting a good amount of traffic  
since

a month or two, I was thinking of talking about the most interesting
subjects that were discussed there. Also, new efforts like the IDE
plugins can benefit from recent status updates. The same goes for
RIFE itself, and where the development is heading. We can also cover
interesting blogs and news-items that are RIFE-related. Another
possibility is to interview users about why they adopted RIFE, what
they like about it and what they find less well done.

However, I don't think that there's enough material for a weekly
podcast, so I'm thinking about a bi-weekly one. It doesn't have  
to be

very long either, 10-15 minutes could be enough to start out with.



 Sounds good. I was thinking you were shooting for a weekly podcast.


I guess for me the blocker is the fact that you're going to have a
bit of a time with just RIFE because of two things: A) low
established userbase and B) complexity of the topic


I agree, explaining complex topics don't work on talk radio.


I don't listen to talk radio in my car to hear about the detailed
inner workings of an engine complete with jargon and established
industry terms.


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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE podcast

[Emmanuel Okyere]

i don't listen to podcasts either, but it wouldn't hurt to add it; a
choice for those who do listen, at least.

maybe you could also consider adding sound to the videos, like the
simple blog example, etc... that shd add to the user experience of
those resources too.

(OT) what software did u use for the screen captures? can anyone on
the list suggest a good free|open source|works-on-linux software for
screen capture that allows easy integration of sound? I was planning
to create a few video tutorials myself, down the line; I know of
vncrec and xvidcap, but working with sound with them isn't trivial.

thanks,
-- eokyere


On 12/4/05, JR Boyens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 12/4/05, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 12/3/05, Keith Lea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'll write since no one has responded. I don't listen to any podcasts
> > > so I don't think I'll listen to a rife podcast.
> > >
> > > Not listening to a podcast puts you in the minority I think. :)
> >
> > It took me a while to start listening too, but now I really like to
> > listen to podcasts regularly.
> >
> > > > since I like working with audio, I'd like to try to create a RIFE
> > > > podcast with regular content.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas for this?
> > >
> > > A RIFE-flavored podcast might be a little narrow in the scope of
> > > content. What I mean is, I think you might have trouble coming up
> > > with things to write about. Unless you start trashing RoR and other
> > > webapp frameworks and then interview their creators in a
> > > "Hardball" / pundit show style. That would actually be really
> > > really cool. Listen to two people argue about why one web framework
> > > is better than another... Hmmm
> >
> > That would be cool, a bit like the frameworks smackdown at the
> > previous JavaOne conference. Setting that up would take quite a bit
> > more work than just doing your own thing. I do want it to get a RIFE
> > branding though, for promotion.
> >
> > > > Do you think it's a good idea?
> > >
> > > Sure. Can't hurt, might help. Could be interesting.
> > >
> > > > Which topics would you like me to talk about?
> > >
> > > Talking in a podcast is even harder than talking in front of people
> > > in a presentation, so the topics will probably have to be shallow.
> > > You're not going to be trying to explain all of RIFE in a podcast.
> > > I know that there are terms and concepts that are hard to vocalize.
> >
> > Well it's different, but it would let me practice my English
> > pronunciation skills. At JIA i remember that you ha an idea of doing
> > a RIFE / tech podcast yourself to practice your presentation skills.
> > Do you feel like helping out with this one? We could do it together.
>
>
>  Sure, why not. I'd be willing to help out.
>
> > > > Any suggestions for regular themes or subjects?
> > >
> > > As I said above the "argue with the developers" format would be an
> > > excellent thing. Maybe a morning coffee notes style / here's what's
> > > going on type of thing could be interesting as well.
> >
> > I really like the format of the JavaPosse, where they basically sit
> > around a (virtual) table and comment on news/interesting things.
> > Since the mailinglist has been getting a good amount of traffic since
> > a month or two, I was thinking of talking about the most interesting
> > subjects that were discussed there. Also, new efforts like the IDE
> > plugins can benefit from recent status updates. The same goes for
> > RIFE itself, and where the development is heading. We can also cover
> > interesting blogs and news-items that are RIFE-related. Another
> > possibility is to interview users about why they adopted RIFE, what
> > they like about it and what they find less well done.
> >
> > However, I don't think that there's enough material for a weekly
> > podcast, so I'm thinking about a bi-weekly one. It doesn't have to be
> > very long either, 10-15 minutes could be enough to start out with.
>
>
>  Sounds good. I was thinking you were shooting for a weekly podcast.
>
> > > I guess for me the blocker is the fact that you're going to have a
> > > bit of a time with just RIFE because of two things: A) low
> > > established userbase and B) complexity of the topic
> >
> > I agree, explaining complex topics don't work on talk radio.
> >
> > > I don't listen to talk radio in my car to hear about the detailed
> > > inner workings of an engine complete with jargon and established
> > > industry terms.
> >
> > --
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> > "Use what you need"   Avenue de Scailmont 34
> > http://www.uwyn.com   7170 Manage, Belgium
> > gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03
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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE podcast

[JR Boyens]

On 12/4/05, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/3/05, Keith Lea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I'll write since no one has responded. I don't listen to any podcasts> so I don't think I'll listen to a rife podcast.
>> Not listening to a podcast puts you in the minority I think. :)It took me a while to start listening too, but now I really like tolisten to podcasts regularly.> > since I like working with audio, I'd like to try to create a RIFE
> > podcast with regular content.> >> > Any ideas for this?>> A RIFE-flavored podcast might be a little narrow in the scope of> content. What I mean is, I think you might have trouble coming up
> with things to write about. Unless you start trashing RoR and other> webapp frameworks and then interview their creators in a> "Hardball" / pundit show style. That would actually be really
> really cool. Listen to two people argue about why one web framework> is better than another... HmmmThat would be cool, a bit like the frameworks smackdown at theprevious JavaOne conference. Setting that up would take quite a bit
more work than just doing your own thing. I do want it to get a RIFEbranding though, for promotion.> > Do you think it's a good idea?>> Sure. Can't hurt, might help. Could be interesting.
>> > Which topics would you like me to talk about?>> Talking in a podcast is even harder than talking in front of people> in a presentation, so the topics will probably have to be shallow.
> You're not going to be trying to explain all of RIFE in a podcast.> I know that there are terms and concepts that are hard to vocalize.Well it's different, but it would let me practice my English
pronunciation skills. At JIA i remember that you ha an idea of doinga RIFE / tech podcast yourself to practice your presentation skills.Do you feel like helping out with this one? We could do it together.

Sure, why not. I'd be willing to help out. 
> > Any suggestions for regular themes or subjects?>> As I said above the "argue with the developers" format would be an
> excellent thing. Maybe a morning coffee notes style / here's what's> going on type of thing could be interesting as well.I really like the format of the JavaPosse, where they basically sitaround a (virtual) table and comment on news/interesting things.
Since the mailinglist has been getting a good amount of traffic sincea month or two, I was thinking of talking about the most interestingsubjects that were discussed there. Also, new efforts like the IDEplugins can benefit from recent status updates. The same goes for
RIFE itself, and where the development is heading. We can also coverinteresting blogs and news-items that are RIFE-related. Anotherpossibility is to interview users about why they adopted RIFE, whatthey like about it and what they find less well done.
However, I don't think that there's enough material for a weeklypodcast, so I'm thinking about a bi-weekly one. It doesn't have to bevery long either, 10-15 minutes could be enough to start out with.

Sounds good. I was thinking you were shooting for a weekly podcast. 
> I guess for me the blocker is the fact that you're going to have a> bit of a time with just RIFE because of two things: A) low
> established userbase and B) complexity of the topicI agree, explaining complex topics don't work on talk radio.> I don't listen to talk radio in my car to hear about the detailed> inner workings of an engine complete with jargon and established
> industry terms.--Geert
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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE podcast

[Geert Bevin]

On 12/3/05, Keith Lea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'll write since no one has responded. I don't listen to any podcasts
so I don't think I'll listen to a rife podcast.

Not listening to a podcast puts you in the minority I think. :)


It took me a while to start listening too, but now I really like to  
listen to podcasts regularly.



> since I like working with audio, I'd like to try to create a RIFE
> podcast with regular content.
>
> Any ideas for this?

A RIFE-flavored podcast might be a little narrow in the scope of  
content. What I mean is, I think you might have trouble coming up  
with things to write about. Unless you start trashing RoR and other  
webapp frameworks and then interview their creators in a  
"Hardball" / pundit show style. That would actually be really  
really cool. Listen to two people argue about why one web framework  
is better than another... Hmmm


That would be cool, a bit like the frameworks smackdown at the  
previous JavaOne conference. Setting that up would take quite a bit  
more work than just doing your own thing. I do want it to get a RIFE  
branding though, for promotion.



> Do you think it's a good idea?

Sure. Can't hurt, might help. Could be interesting.

> Which topics would you like me to talk about?

Talking in a podcast is even harder than talking in front of people  
in a presentation, so the topics will probably have to be shallow.  
You're not going to be trying to explain all of RIFE in a podcast.  
I know that there are terms and concepts that are hard to vocalize.


Well it's different, but it would let me practice my English  
pronunciation skills. At JIA i remember that you ha an idea of doing  
a RIFE / tech podcast yourself to practice your presentation skills.  
Do you feel like helping out with this one? We could do it together.



> Any suggestions for regular themes or subjects?

As I said above the "argue with the developers" format would be an  
excellent thing. Maybe a morning coffee notes style / here's what's  
going on type of thing could be interesting as well.


I really like the format of the JavaPosse, where they basically sit  
around a (virtual) table and comment on news/interesting things.  
Since the mailinglist has been getting a good amount of traffic since  
a month or two, I was thinking of talking about the most interesting  
subjects that were discussed there. Also, new efforts like the IDE  
plugins can benefit from recent status updates. The same goes for  
RIFE itself, and where the development is heading. We can also cover  
interesting blogs and news-items that are RIFE-related. Another  
possibility is to interview users about why they adopted RIFE, what  
they like about it and what they find less well done.


However, I don't think that there's enough material for a weekly  
podcast, so I'm thinking about a bi-weekly one. It doesn't have to be  
very long either, 10-15 minutes could be enough to start out with.


I guess for me the blocker is the fact that you're going to have a  
bit of a time with just RIFE because of two things: A) low  
established userbase and B) complexity of the topic


I agree, explaining complex topics don't work on talk radio.

I don't listen to talk radio in my car to hear about the detailed  
inner workings of an engine complete with jargon and established  
industry terms.


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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE podcast

[Eddy Young]

JR Boyens wrote:
> On 12/3/05, *Keith Lea* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> 
> I'll write since no one has responded. I don't listen to any podcasts
> so I don't think I'll listen to a rife podcast.
> 
> 
> Not listening to a podcast puts you in the minority I think. :)

I don't listen to podcasts either, but your other suggestions are valid.

Eddy
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