Re: [RDD] Two studios
Firstly, damn autocorrect on the iPhone! The name's Jay! :) Secondly, thanks Stan. I know we can use timed starts etc to move the log on - my question would be more this. If both studios are running on the same log, and someone makes a change to the log in Studio 1 - that change, as I understand it, would not show up in Studio 2 playout. Also, if the timed starts fire then you would end up with both studios playing at the same time. I am just wondering if anyone has any practical experience of this kind of setup. We are about to move into our new premises and will be setting up two studios - and ideally either or both of which would be able to go to air or be used for production at any one time. I know that in the paid software I have used in the past, you can mark one machine as on air, and the other(s) would just follow the log without playing out. On 26 April 2013 08:04, Stan Fotinos sfoti...@rtrfm.com.au wrote: Hi Kay If I understand correctly what you are trying to achieve is time synchronisation of your log. Using timed starts in your log and Make Next might do the trick for you. Thanks Stan On 26/04/13 1:41 PM, Jay Eames wrote: Thanks or the reply. I think my initial question wasn't quite clear enough. My bad! We gave several machines networked on Rivendell, all sharing the same database and var/snd - the question is more on how to run the same log in two studios so we can switch between them during the day Kay Sent from my iPhone On 26 Apr 2013, at 06:38, al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013, Jay Eames wrote: Has anyone used Rivendell in a setup where there is more than one live studio available? As in, where either studio can be used for the live output, and each studio has it's own playout machine, and they both share the same log? We use it in 4 studios at 3 sites. The two at the same site share files and sql on a local net. There is also an office computer that shares and is used for uploads. The other sites get scheduled backups of the main. Sound files are transferred as ogg, so they act as hot standby computers that work even if the main is down. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- There are 2 kinds of people in the world; Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Alternative MySQL port?
I can't remember if this works (but I have seen it somewhere on the net)... Try in rd.conf: Hostname=192.168.55.1 Port=5026 From: Andy Brown a...@thebmwz3.co.uk To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2013, 20:42 Subject: [RDD] Alternative MySQL port? Hi all, subject pretty much says it all. I need to connect to MySSQL running on an alternative port. I tried in /etc/rd.conf by using the colon, but this didn't connect. Is there a way of doing this? [mySQL] Hostname=192.168.55.1:5026 Loginname=rduser Password=letmein Database=Rivendell Driver=QMYSQL3 Regards, -- Andy e: andy @ thebmwz3.co.uk e: andy @ broadcast-tech.co.uk w: http://www.thebmwz3.co.uk w: http://www.broadcast-tech.co.uk ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Two studios
Greetings, Timed events don't have to be starts, they can be 'make next'. Is there no human intervention in this scenario? Cheers On 26 Apr 2013 02:13, Jay Eames alcham...@googlemail.com wrote: Firstly, damn autocorrect on the iPhone! The name's Jay! :) Secondly, thanks Stan. I know we can use timed starts etc to move the log on - my question would be more this. If both studios are running on the same log, and someone makes a change to the log in Studio 1 - that change, as I understand it, would not show up in Studio 2 playout. Also, if the timed starts fire then you would end up with both studios playing at the same time. I am just wondering if anyone has any practical experience of this kind of setup. We are about to move into our new premises and will be setting up two studios - and ideally either or both of which would be able to go to air or be used for production at any one time. I know that in the paid software I have used in the past, you can mark one machine as on air, and the other(s) would just follow the log without playing out. On 26 April 2013 08:04, Stan Fotinos sfoti...@rtrfm.com.au wrote: Hi Kay If I understand correctly what you are trying to achieve is time synchronisation of your log. Using timed starts in your log and Make Next might do the trick for you. Thanks Stan On 26/04/13 1:41 PM, Jay Eames wrote: Thanks or the reply. I think my initial question wasn't quite clear enough. My bad! We gave several machines networked on Rivendell, all sharing the same database and var/snd - the question is more on how to run the same log in two studios so we can switch between them during the day Kay Sent from my iPhone On 26 Apr 2013, at 06:38, al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013, Jay Eames wrote: Has anyone used Rivendell in a setup where there is more than one live studio available? As in, where either studio can be used for the live output, and each studio has it's own playout machine, and they both share the same log? We use it in 4 studios at 3 sites. The two at the same site share files and sql on a local net. There is also an office computer that shares and is used for uploads. The other sites get scheduled backups of the main. Sound files are transferred as ogg, so they act as hot standby computers that work even if the main is down. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- There are 2 kinds of people in the world; Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Alternative MySQL port?
Aha, good thinking. I'll try that this evening. Thanks for the suggestion. Andy On 26/04/13 08:41, MICHAEL SMITH wrote: I can't remember if this works (but I have seen it somewhere on the net)... Try in rd.conf: Hostname=192.168.55.1 Port=5026 From: Andy Brown a...@thebmwz3.co.uk To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2013, 20:42 Subject: [RDD] Alternative MySQL port? Hi all, subject pretty much says it all. I need to connect to MySSQL running on an alternative port. I tried in /etc/rd.conf by using the colon, but this didn't connect. Is there a way of doing this? [mySQL] Hostname=192.168.55.1:5026 Loginname=rduser Password=letmein Database=Rivendell Driver=QMYSQL3 Regards, ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- Andy e: andy @ thebmwz3.co.uk w: http://www.thebmwz3.co.uk g: https://github.com/andyb2000/ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Two studios
what about duplicating monitors and keyboards on the same machine?, or kvm control to the same machine from duplicate studios? take the audio playback sources and duplicate it to multiple studios, have different audio inputs to record from different locations...As long as both don't try and edit the exact same cart at the same time, it seems it should work From: Tim Camp t...@wnsp.com To: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [RDD] Two studios Greetings, Timed events don't have to be starts, they can be 'make next'. Is there no human intervention in this scenario? Cheers On 26 Apr 2013 02:13, Jay Eames alcham...@googlemail.com wrote: Firstly, damn autocorrect on the iPhone! The name's Jay! :) Secondly, thanks Stan. I know we can use timed starts etc to move the log on - my question would be more this. If both studios are running on the same log, and someone makes a change to the log in Studio 1 - that change, as I understand it, would not show up in Studio 2 playout. Also, if the timed starts fire then you would end up with both studios playing at the same time. I am just wondering if anyone has any practical experience of this kind of setup. We are about to move into our new premises and will be setting up two studios - and ideally either or both of which would be able to go to air or be used for production at any one time. I know that in the paid software I have used in the past, you can mark one machine as on air, and the other(s) would just follow the log without playing out. On 26 April 2013 08:04, Stan Fotinos sfoti...@rtrfm.com.au wrote: Hi Kay If I understand correctly what you are trying to achieve is time synchronisation of your log. Using timed starts in your log and Make Next might do the trick for you. Thanks Stan On 26/04/13 1:41 PM, Jay Eames wrote: Thanks or the reply. I think my initial question wasn't quite clear enough. My bad! We gave several machines networked on Rivendell, all sharing the same database and var/snd - the question is more on how to run the same log in two studios so we can switch between them during the day Kay Sent from my iPhone On 26 Apr 2013, at 06:38, al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013, Jay Eames wrote: Has anyone used Rivendell in a setup where there is more than one live studio available? As in, where either studio can be used for the live output, and each studio has it's own playout machine, and they both share the same log? We use it in 4 studios at 3 sites. The two at the same site share files and sql on a local net. There is also an office computer that shares and is used for uploads. The other sites get scheduled backups of the main. Sound files are transferred as ogg, so they act as hot standby computers that work even if the main is down. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- There are 2 kinds of people in the world; Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Two studios
If I'm reading you right, you want to be able to make on-the-fly changes to an active log now running in RDAirplay, and have that change immediately reflected on all machines running that particular log, correct? As I understand the flow on my own small-scale system, such changes need to be made and saved in LogEdit; after which all machines sense the alteration in the log and are prompted to refresh. But you know... for your own purpose, it does sound like a good idea -- the ability to make a change on a master RDAirplay window and have it fan out to all subservient computers tracking the same log. I'd make it an optional (turn on/off) feature though, otherwise it's one more way for live jocks to commandeer the log and create havoc. AP - Original Message - From: Tim Camp t...@wnsp.com To: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:58:50 AM Subject: Re: [RDD] Two studios Greetings, Timed events don't have to be starts, they can be 'make next'. Is there no human intervention in this scenario? Cheers On 26 Apr 2013 02:13, Jay Eames alcham...@googlemail.com wrote: Firstly, damn autocorrect on the iPhone! The name's Jay! :) Secondly, thanks Stan. I know we can use timed starts etc to move the log on - my question would be more this. If both studios are running on the same log, and someone makes a change to the log in Studio 1 - that change, as I understand it, would not show up in Studio 2 playout. Also, if the timed starts fire then you would end up with both studios playing at the same time. I am just wondering if anyone has any practical experience of this kind of setup. We are about to move into our new premises and will be setting up two studios - and ideally either or both of which would be able to go to air or be used for production at any one time. I know that in the paid software I have used in the past, you can mark one machine as on air, and the other(s) would just follow the log without playing out. On 26 April 2013 08:04, Stan Fotinos sfoti...@rtrfm.com.au wrote: Hi Kay If I understand correctly what you are trying to achieve is time synchronisation of your log. Using timed starts in your log and Make Next might do the trick for you. Thanks Stan On 26/04/13 1:41 PM, Jay Eames wrote: Thanks or the reply. I think my initial question wasn't quite clear enough. My bad! We gave several machines networked on Rivendell, all sharing the same database and var/snd - the question is more on how to run the same log in two studios so we can switch between them during the day Kay Sent from my iPhone On 26 Apr 2013, at 06:38, al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013, Jay Eames wrote: Has anyone used Rivendell in a setup where there is more than one live studio available? As in, where either studio can be used for the live output, and each studio has it's own playout machine, and they both share the same log? We use it in 4 studios at 3 sites. The two at the same site share files and sql on a local net. There is also an office computer that shares and is used for uploads. The other sites get scheduled backups of the main. Sound files are transferred as ogg, so they act as hot standby computers that work even if the main is down. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- There are 2 kinds of people in the world; Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Two studios
Thanks Alan, Yes you have understood correctly. Perhaps a use-case example might clarify. In our community station we have quite a few specialist shows. The presenter comes in an hour or so before their show to sort out the playout order etc from a machine in the office. This is then readily available to them when they start their show and has not disturbed the on-air presenter. We have played with rdlogedit, but the problem there is that any ad-hoc changes the on-air presenter has made get overwritten the moment the log is saved (assuming auto log refresh is on), which has potential to royally mess with our output. Jay On 26 April 2013 14:19, Alan Peterson apeter...@radioamerica.org wrote: If I'm reading you right, you want to be able to make on-the-fly changes to an active log now running in RDAirplay, and have that change immediately reflected on all machines running that particular log, correct? As I understand the flow on my own small-scale system, such changes need to be made and saved in LogEdit; after which all machines sense the alteration in the log and are prompted to refresh. But you know... for your own purpose, it does sound like a good idea -- the ability to make a change on a master RDAirplay window and have it fan out to all subservient computers tracking the same log. I'd make it an optional (turn on/off) feature though, otherwise it's one more way for live jocks to commandeer the log and create havoc. AP - Original Message - From: Tim Camp t...@wnsp.com To: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:58:50 AM Subject: Re: [RDD] Two studios Greetings, Timed events don't have to be starts, they can be 'make next'. Is there no human intervention in this scenario? Cheers On 26 Apr 2013 02:13, Jay Eames alcham...@googlemail.com wrote: Firstly, damn autocorrect on the iPhone! The name's Jay! :) Secondly, thanks Stan. I know we can use timed starts etc to move the log on - my question would be more this. If both studios are running on the same log, and someone makes a change to the log in Studio 1 - that change, as I understand it, would not show up in Studio 2 playout. Also, if the timed starts fire then you would end up with both studios playing at the same time. I am just wondering if anyone has any practical experience of this kind of setup. We are about to move into our new premises and will be setting up two studios - and ideally either or both of which would be able to go to air or be used for production at any one time. I know that in the paid software I have used in the past, you can mark one machine as on air, and the other(s) would just follow the log without playing out. On 26 April 2013 08:04, Stan Fotinos sfoti...@rtrfm.com.au wrote: Hi Kay If I understand correctly what you are trying to achieve is time synchronisation of your log. Using timed starts in your log and Make Next might do the trick for you. Thanks Stan On 26/04/13 1:41 PM, Jay Eames wrote: Thanks or the reply. I think my initial question wasn't quite clear enough. My bad! We gave several machines networked on Rivendell, all sharing the same database and var/snd - the question is more on how to run the same log in two studios so we can switch between them during the day Kay Sent from my iPhone On 26 Apr 2013, at 06:38, al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013, Jay Eames wrote: Has anyone used Rivendell in a setup where there is more than one live studio available? As in, where either studio can be used for the live output, and each studio has it's own playout machine, and they both share the same log? We use it in 4 studios at 3 sites. The two at the same site share files and sql on a local net. There is also an office computer that shares and is used for uploads. The other sites get scheduled backups of the main. Sound files are transferred as ogg, so they act as hot standby computers that work even if the main is down. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- There are 2 kinds of people in the world; Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out
Talk start will set its self to immediately if you just set the talk end. I can see the reasoning with the talk markers at the end of the track. This would be confusing though if talent was watching the pie counter thinking it's counting down to segue, or talk, or how would you know which? If there's room for confusion, someone would find it. I can't figure out what you were meaning by multiple segue markers for though. Cheers, Gavin. - Original Message - From: Andy Brown a...@thebmwz3.co.uk To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 12:58 AM Subject: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out Hi folks, Still battling my way through ready to launch a community station shortly and one issue cropping up from the guys programming in music is the confusion over the different markers. The main confusion is over the TalkStart/TalkStop and SegueStart/SegueEnd. As in many songs we need multiple entries for both. E.g. at the start of a song we set a TalkStart immediately and a TalkStop just before the vocals of the song comes in. Then we would ideally need to place another TalkStart and TalkStop towards the end of the song where the last vocals are sung and its just musical until the end of the song. Similar for SegueStart/SegueEnd we have cases where having one at start one at end would also be useful, is this a fair summary or am I missing something here? Regards, -- Andy e: andy @ thebmwz3.co.uk w: http://www.thebmwz3.co.uk g: https://github.com/andyb2000/ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out
It's not the coolest solution out there, but the simplest method is to put a text notation in the Artist or Title line of the cart: POINTER SISTERS I'M SO EXCITED (end talk 3:51) The jocks are going to be watching the clock anyway. -ap - Original Message - From: Andy Brown a...@thebmwz3.co.uk To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:58:47 AM Subject: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out Hi folks, Still battling my way through ready to launch a community station shortly and one issue cropping up from the guys programming in music is the confusion over the different markers. The main confusion is over the TalkStart/TalkStop and SegueStart/SegueEnd. As in many songs we need multiple entries for both. E.g. at the start of a song we set a TalkStart immediately and a TalkStop just before the vocals of the song comes in. Then we would ideally need to place another TalkStart and TalkStop towards the end of the song where the last vocals are sung and its just musical until the end of the song. Similar for SegueStart/SegueEnd we have cases where having one at start one at end would also be useful, is this a fair summary or am I missing something here? Regards, -- Andy e: andy @ thebmwz3.co.uk w: http://www.thebmwz3.co.uk g: https://github.com/andyb2000/ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out
I haven't used the outcue field, but I'd imagine that the cut outcue field shows on the entry in the players too like the description does. - Original Message - From: Alan Peterson apeter...@radioamerica.org To: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out It's not the coolest solution out there, but the simplest method is to put a text notation in the Artist or Title line of the cart: POINTER SISTERS I'M SO EXCITED (end talk 3:51) The jocks are going to be watching the clock anyway. -ap - Original Message - From: Andy Brown a...@thebmwz3.co.uk To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:58:47 AM Subject: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out Hi folks, Still battling my way through ready to launch a community station shortly and one issue cropping up from the guys programming in music is the confusion over the different markers. The main confusion is over the TalkStart/TalkStop and SegueStart/SegueEnd. As in many songs we need multiple entries for both. E.g. at the start of a song we set a TalkStart immediately and a TalkStop just before the vocals of the song comes in. Then we would ideally need to place another TalkStart and TalkStop towards the end of the song where the last vocals are sung and its just musical until the end of the song. Similar for SegueStart/SegueEnd we have cases where having one at start one at end would also be useful, is this a fair summary or am I missing something here? Regards, -- Andy e: andy @ thebmwz3.co.uk w: http://www.thebmwz3.co.uk g: https://github.com/andyb2000/ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Two studios
So how about separate logs for separate shows, so changes made to one's show doesn't botch the others? The classic radio station broadcast day log concept has been with us since we started spraying RF into the atmosphere last century, but it may not be your best solution here. Create a different log for each presenter. The entire day's output can be merged and rendered at midnight if you truly need to have a 24-hour record of playout. -a. - Original Message - From: Jay Eames alcham...@googlemail.com To: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:25:21 AM Subject: Re: [RDD] Two studios Thanks Alan, Yes you have understood correctly. Perhaps a use-case example might clarify. In our community station we have quite a few specialist shows. The presenter comes in an hour or so before their show to sort out the playout order etc from a machine in the office. This is then readily available to them when they start their show and has not disturbed the on-air presenter. We have played with rdlogedit, but the problem there is that any ad-hoc changes the on-air presenter has made get overwritten the moment the log is saved (assuming auto log refresh is on), which has potential to royally mess with our output. Jay On 26 April 2013 14:19, Alan Peterson apeter...@radioamerica.org wrote: If I'm reading you right, you want to be able to make on-the-fly changes to an active log now running in RDAirplay, and have that change immediately reflected on all machines running that particular log, correct? As I understand the flow on my own small-scale system, such changes need to be made and saved in LogEdit; after which all machines sense the alteration in the log and are prompted to refresh. But you know... for your own purpose, it does sound like a good idea -- the ability to make a change on a master RDAirplay window and have it fan out to all subservient computers tracking the same log. I'd make it an optional (turn on/off) feature though, otherwise it's one more way for live jocks to commandeer the log and create havoc. AP - Original Message - From: Tim Camp t...@wnsp.com To: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:58:50 AM Subject: Re: [RDD] Two studios Greetings, Timed events don't have to be starts, they can be 'make next'. Is there no human intervention in this scenario? Cheers On 26 Apr 2013 02:13, Jay Eames alcham...@googlemail.com wrote: Firstly, damn autocorrect on the iPhone! The name's Jay! :) Secondly, thanks Stan. I know we can use timed starts etc to move the log on - my question would be more this. If both studios are running on the same log, and someone makes a change to the log in Studio 1 - that change, as I understand it, would not show up in Studio 2 playout. Also, if the timed starts fire then you would end up with both studios playing at the same time. I am just wondering if anyone has any practical experience of this kind of setup. We are about to move into our new premises and will be setting up two studios - and ideally either or both of which would be able to go to air or be used for production at any one time. I know that in the paid software I have used in the past, you can mark one machine as on air, and the other(s) would just follow the log without playing out. On 26 April 2013 08:04, Stan Fotinos sfoti...@rtrfm.com.au wrote: Hi Kay If I understand correctly what you are trying to achieve is time synchronisation of your log. Using timed starts in your log and Make Next might do the trick for you. Thanks Stan On 26/04/13 1:41 PM, Jay Eames wrote: Thanks or the reply. I think my initial question wasn't quite clear enough. My bad! We gave several machines networked on Rivendell, all sharing the same database and var/snd - the question is more on how to run the same log in two studios so we can switch between them during the day Kay Sent from my iPhone On 26 Apr 2013, at 06:38, al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013, Jay Eames wrote: Has anyone used Rivendell in a setup where there is more than one live studio available? As in, where either studio can be used for the live output, and each studio has it's own playout machine, and they both share the same log? We use it in 4 studios at 3 sites. The two at the same site share files and sql on a local net. There is also an office computer that shares and is used for uploads. The other sites get scheduled backups of the main. Sound files are transferred as ogg, so they act as hot standby computers that work even if the main is down. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
Re: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out
Hello guys, Actually, I was thinking of something that would help a lot any DJ using Rivendell for live : displaying the waveform of the current playing track. I used to work on a proprietary system, running on Windows,called WinRadio (not the Ham software). Very expensive (the license was approx 20.000 euros), and really not very clever. On a lot of points, Rivendellis a real challenger. Anyway, this software had one really cool feature, consisting in the displayof the waveform of the current playing track, the position of the reading head on the track, and all the markers, represented as regions on the track. I think it would be really nice. Here is a screenshot of the (very ugly, don't mind the other features) user interface of the software, found /via/Google Images : http://www.305broadcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/WinMedia_OnAir_Lite-1024x824.jpg What do you think ? Wouldn't it help your DJs who cannot set several talk regions on their cuts ? Hoggins! Le 26/04/2013 15:27, Gavin Stephens a écrit : Talk start will set its self to immediately if you just set the talk end. I can see the reasoning with the talk markers at the end of the track. This would be confusing though if talent was watching the pie counter thinking it's counting down to segue, or talk, or how would you know which? If there's room for confusion, someone would find it. I can't figure out what you were meaning by multiple segue markers for though. Cheers, Gavin. - Original Message - From: Andy Brown a...@thebmwz3.co.uk To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 12:58 AM Subject: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out Hi folks, Still battling my way through ready to launch a community station shortly and one issue cropping up from the guys programming in music is the confusion over the different markers. The main confusion is over the TalkStart/TalkStop and SegueStart/SegueEnd. As in many songs we need multiple entries for both. E.g. at the start of a song we set a TalkStart immediately and a TalkStop just before the vocals of the song comes in. Then we would ideally need to place another TalkStart and TalkStop towards the end of the song where the last vocals are sung and its just musical until the end of the song. Similar for SegueStart/SegueEnd we have cases where having one at start one at end would also be useful, is this a fair summary or am I missing something here? Regards, -- Andy e: andy @ thebmwz3.co.uk w: http://www.thebmwz3.co.uk g: https://github.com/andyb2000/ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out
Thanks Gavin, Maybe I'm not being very clear here. If you're familiar with other similar playout systems it may make more sense (Myriad, Soundbox, etc). In a standard song, you have a musical intro (start) and a musical extro (end), these are sections that could be segue'd over by a sweeper. This can take place at the start and the end of a track potentially, so you could sandwich music in as follows: Music sweeper Music sweeper Music So each of the music tracks in the list would have a segue intro and segue extro allowing the sweeper to play over the top of the end of one track and the start of the next. We use this a lot on another station I do work for using another playout system and it gives a very good audio sound. I do however understand your point about the talk markers and the pie counter being confusing with all these in. Regards, Andy On 26/04/13 14:27, Gavin Stephens wrote: Talk start will set its self to immediately if you just set the talk end. I can see the reasoning with the talk markers at the end of the track. This would be confusing though if talent was watching the pie counter thinking it's counting down to segue, or talk, or how would you know which? If there's room for confusion, someone would find it. I can't figure out what you were meaning by multiple segue markers for though. Cheers, Gavin. - Original Message - From: Andy Brown a...@thebmwz3.co.uk To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 12:58 AM Subject: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out Hi folks, Still battling my way through ready to launch a community station shortly and one issue cropping up from the guys programming in music is the confusion over the different markers. The main confusion is over the TalkStart/TalkStop and SegueStart/SegueEnd. As in many songs we need multiple entries for both. E.g. at the start of a song we set a TalkStart immediately and a TalkStop just before the vocals of the song comes in. Then we would ideally need to place another TalkStart and TalkStop towards the end of the song where the last vocals are sung and its just musical until the end of the song. Similar for SegueStart/SegueEnd we have cases where having one at start one at end would also be useful, is this a fair summary or am I missing something here? Regards, -- Andy e: andy @ thebmwz3.co.uk w: http://www.thebmwz3.co.uk g: https://github.com/andyb2000/ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- Andy e: andy @ thebmwz3.co.uk w: http://www.thebmwz3.co.uk g: https://github.com/andyb2000/ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out
Of course, I second that. But that wouldbe a feature one could deactivate at will, like e.g. show extra buttons in the RDAirplay configuration screen. Le 26/04/2013 15:53, Andy Brown a écrit : I'm also not sure if the waveform would help a lot of presenters (Our presenters are all volunteers for a community station, so they need very simple+clear guides). I think a lot of them would not understand the waveform, but a timer that says: Intro counter: 0:10 seconds 9 seconds 8 seconds, etc. Then at the end of the song Extro counter: 0:10 seconds 9 seconds, etc. would be easy to follow. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out
I have to agree; waveform display of an on-air cut is overkill. I can't imagine an on-air scenario where this was necessary, unless the jock was doing a mashup mix show and wanted to be able to loop and isolate portions of a song for creative scratch-mixing. In which case, MIXXX (www.mixxx.org) is probably a solution you'd be interested in, running on a non-RD machine. -AP ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Two studios
We have at KPTZ. We have a a main air studio and a production studio. They both have Rivendell client playout machines. When we do maintenance in the air studio we frequently load the same log in the production studio's Rivendell machine and start that one playing in as close to sync as we can get it. Then the cutover between the two studios is seamless on the air. In our case we only have one transmitter to feed but there's no reason the second Rivendell machine couldn't just as easily be feeding a separate Internet stream, an AM transmitter or other audio sink. Bill On 4/25/13 10:21 PM, Jay Eames wrote: Hi guys, Has anyone used Rivendell in a setup where there is more than one live studio available? As in, where either studio can be used for the live output, and each studio has it's own playout machine, and they both share the same log? Jay -- There are 2 kinds of people in the world; Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Two studios
Hi, I understand the premise of going live between studios but I don't understand why everyones going the complicated route. We do the same here but we use good old fashioned Audio on a fader. In each studio we have a selectable fader. When we switch from Studio 1 to Studio 2, we set Studio 2's fader to pick up Audio from Studio 1. Then we hit the broadcast rack switcher to go live in Studio 2 (via a GPIO signal). At this point Rivendell inside Studio 2 is doing nothing but waiting for a show to start (manually moved to the correct starting point). When the presenter is ready in Studio 2 we fade down Studio 1 (usually at the end of pips or a song or whatever so there is no hard cut). Fade up the Studio 2 Rivendell + Mics and away you go. Repeat the process in reverse next time we move studios. Regards, Wayne On 26/04/13 16:18, Bill Putney wrote: We have at KPTZ. We have a a main air studio and a production studio. They both have Rivendell client playout machines. When we do maintenance in the air studio we frequently load the same log in the production studio's Rivendell machine and start that one playing in as close to sync as we can get it. Then the cutover between the two studios is seamless on the air. In our case we only have one transmitter to feed but there's no reason the second Rivendell machine couldn't just as easily be feeding a separate Internet stream, an AM transmitter or other audio sink. Bill On 4/25/13 10:21 PM, Jay Eames wrote: Hi guys, Has anyone used Rivendell in a setup where there is more than one live studio available? As in, where either studio can be used for the live output, and each studio has it's own playout machine, and they both share the same log? Jay -- There are 2 kinds of people in the world; Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Two studios
Even though in the facility I am in currently we are using a different automation system but we do a very similar setup in that we have to have the ability to playout the same log from any studio. Our playout box is located in our equipment rack and is fed into our wheatstone audio network and can be pulled up on any console (can do the same with analog system with a DA) and we use a remote KVM to select which automation playback machine the talent looks at in each studio. So if they switch studios they can pull up the MAIN A playout box in the MAIN B studio or vice versa. On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Jay Eames alcham...@googlemail.comwrote: Firstly, damn autocorrect on the iPhone! The name's Jay! :) Secondly, thanks Stan. I know we can use timed starts etc to move the log on - my question would be more this. If both studios are running on the same log, and someone makes a change to the log in Studio 1 - that change, as I understand it, would not show up in Studio 2 playout. Also, if the timed starts fire then you would end up with both studios playing at the same time. I am just wondering if anyone has any practical experience of this kind of setup. We are about to move into our new premises and will be setting up two studios - and ideally either or both of which would be able to go to air or be used for production at any one time. I know that in the paid software I have used in the past, you can mark one machine as on air, and the other(s) would just follow the log without playing out. On 26 April 2013 08:04, Stan Fotinos sfoti...@rtrfm.com.au wrote: Hi Kay If I understand correctly what you are trying to achieve is time synchronisation of your log. Using timed starts in your log and Make Next might do the trick for you. Thanks Stan On 26/04/13 1:41 PM, Jay Eames wrote: Thanks or the reply. I think my initial question wasn't quite clear enough. My bad! We gave several machines networked on Rivendell, all sharing the same database and var/snd - the question is more on how to run the same log in two studios so we can switch between them during the day Kay Sent from my iPhone On 26 Apr 2013, at 06:38, al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote: On Friday 26 April 2013, Jay Eames wrote: Has anyone used Rivendell in a setup where there is more than one live studio available? As in, where either studio can be used for the live output, and each studio has it's own playout machine, and they both share the same log? We use it in 4 studios at 3 sites. The two at the same site share files and sql on a local net. There is also an office computer that shares and is used for uploads. The other sites get scheduled backups of the main. Sound files are transferred as ogg, so they act as hot standby computers that work even if the main is down. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- There are 2 kinds of people in the world; Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Two studios
- Original Message - From: Matthew Chambers n...@grandcanyonham.info Even though in the facility I am in currently we are using a different automation system but we do a very similar setup in that we have to have the ability to playout the same log from any studio. Our playout box is located in our equipment rack and is fed into our wheatstone audio network and can be pulled up on any console (can do the same with analog system with a DA) and we use a remote KVM to select which automation playback machine the talent looks at in each studio. So if they switch studios they can pull up the MAIN A playout box in the MAIN B studio or vice versa. This seems like a good time to point out that Fred's original architecture plan was that all the UIs lived on a Big Server Box in the engineering room, and you VNCd into them to run your airshift... Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274 ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Two studios
Yup and I forgot to mention the really neat part is that during voice tracked hours we just change some cross points in Wheatstone so that the playout of the automation feeds directly to the uplink to the satellite and out to the stations without running through any studio or console. Matthew A. Chambers, CBT Broadcast Engineer Family Life Radio On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Matthew Chambers n...@grandcanyonham.info Even though in the facility I am in currently we are using a different automation system but we do a very similar setup in that we have to have the ability to playout the same log from any studio. Our playout box is located in our equipment rack and is fed into our wheatstone audio network and can be pulled up on any console (can do the same with analog system with a DA) and we use a remote KVM to select which automation playback machine the talent looks at in each studio. So if they switch studios they can pull up the MAIN A playout box in the MAIN B studio or vice versa. This seems like a good time to point out that Fred's original architecture plan was that all the UIs lived on a Big Server Box in the engineering room, and you VNCd into them to run your airshift... Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274 ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Two studios
Thanks for the ideas guys. As always I have the issue of being in community radio, meaning on the whole: a) No money for kit, and b) Presenters being occasional amateurs on the whole rather than seasoned jocks (although we are blessed with a few of those as well) So things have to be as simple (and as relatively foolproof) as they can be. On 26 April 2013 19:13, Matthew Chambers n...@grandcanyonham.info wrote: Yup and I forgot to mention the really neat part is that during voice tracked hours we just change some cross points in Wheatstone so that the playout of the automation feeds directly to the uplink to the satellite and out to the stations without running through any studio or console. Matthew A. Chambers, CBT Broadcast Engineer Family Life Radio On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Matthew Chambers n...@grandcanyonham.info Even though in the facility I am in currently we are using a different automation system but we do a very similar setup in that we have to have the ability to playout the same log from any studio. Our playout box is located in our equipment rack and is fed into our wheatstone audio network and can be pulled up on any console (can do the same with analog system with a DA) and we use a remote KVM to select which automation playback machine the talent looks at in each studio. So if they switch studios they can pull up the MAIN A playout box in the MAIN B studio or vice versa. This seems like a good time to point out that Fred's original architecture plan was that all the UIs lived on a Big Server Box in the engineering room, and you VNCd into them to run your airshift... Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274 ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- There are 2 kinds of people in the world; Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Trying to Mount USB Drive in CentOS 5
Thanks Robert and Alessio! I appreciate your response. I have now copied the /var/snd library from the old ubuntu 10.04 box (32 bit) to the new CentOS appliance (5.9 Final) 2.5 Rivendell /var/snd directory. Now, I anxiously enter RDLibrary, only to find the test tone (cart# 99) supplied with the new appliance setup and nothing else. Hmmm. Oh, maybe the database needs to be restored from the 2.2 version on the old machine. I was sure I'd read to do that. So in a daring (foolish) poke of the button, I restore the previous db. And now, the results of that trial. What? The RDLibrary is empty, RDAirPlay buttons are grey'd out and so is LogEdit. I'm betting there's a simple command or two to straighten out permissions. (yes, I did back up the new 2.5 as soon as I got it situated on the new box rdbackup-20130402-202.sql 11.3 gzip file -rw-r-r-- root root). Well, that's interesting since the previous db backup was -rwxr--r-- rd users so I'd have to unzip the backup to take the 2.5 db a step back to the clean new setup. Correct? Or, hopefully I can fix this as it sits now. Thanks for your patience with a production guy/wannabe Rivendell operator. Steve Atkins Portland, Or - Original Message - From: Jeffares, Robert jeffares.rob...@gmail.com To: Rivendell, Mail List rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:28:08 PM Subject: Re: [RDD] Trying to Mount USB Drive in CentOS 5 you should have been able to copy the contents of /var/snd/ on the old system onto the WD which will be mounted at /media/nameofdrive/ The network copy works better and I tend to use rsync because you can recover from any interruption and there seems to be a better throughput than cp which may be just me. Hope that's some help regards Robert Jeffares Big Valley Radio On Fri, 2013-04-19 at 02:48 +, Steve Atkins wrote: I'm trading up to the Paravel appliance (2.5) and attempting to copy carts from the ubuntu 10.04 machine (riv 2.2) via a WD usb drive. While now learning the CentOS etiquette, I'm looking for the accepted method of finding the drive and using it on this nice shiney new box. I imagine this has been covered earlier, but I can't find it in the archives. I have found lots of creative methods on-line but I'll defer to your advice to be safe. Many thanks! -Steve ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out
You can't tell voice ramps much by waveform's either. A lot of times I'm setting talk end markers I do it by guess at first, according to the waveform, then when I hit play I realise the vocals start much earlier etc... - Original Message - From: Alan Peterson apeter...@radioamerica.org To: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [RDD] Confused! Talk In/Out Segue In/Out I have to agree; waveform display of an on-air cut is overkill. I can't imagine an on-air scenario where this was necessary, unless the jock was doing a mashup mix show and wanted to be able to loop and isolate portions of a song for creative scratch-mixing. In which case, MIXXX (www.mixxx.org) is probably a solution you'd be interested in, running on a non-RD machine. -AP ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
