Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?

[Bill Putney]

Drew,

I have tried a bunch of DCP tools and right now my fav is DCP-O-Matic 
. Free, Linux and does a good consistent job. It 
really knows how to keep the CPU cores hum'in too . It supports cluster 
rendering of the JPEG2000 frames and in fact, I have 2 of those 32 core 
machines (Dell R720's) in my set up at the Film Festival that have a 10 
Gbe network that connects the cluster. There is a DCP-O-Matic player but 
I haven't really used it for much and only have a cheap PCIe video card 
to playout through. I suppose people have used this in small theaters 
but I really haven't gone there because all the theaters the Festival 
use are using Dolby/Doreme projectors that use DCP natively.


I'm not sure about VLC. I don't think it knows about DCP yet. It can 
probably play the constituent parts but I don't think it can play them 
all together.


I've got to run out for a while but I may come back a check into IRC. 
I'm Navion in there.


- Bill

On 9/5/20 9:49 AM, drew Roberts wrote:

Bill,

if you want to come to #rivendell in irc at freenode, look for zotz. 
If you would like to voice chat in a google hangout or via phone, let 
me know and we can work out details.


Do you know of a good dcp video (with audio) player for linux?

I did some dcp work years ago in making a commercial for the station 
to run on local theatre screens, but I don't recall if I  had a player 
or not available at the time. Can VLC do it yet, I just saw something 
saying it could not yet do audio and video at the same time.


all the best,

drew

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 12:39 PM Bill Putney > wrote:


Drew,

Thanks, I'll take a look at it and see what I can make work.

I've been doing content prep for the Port Townsend Film Festival
and a couple years ago we converted to Digital Cinema Package
(DCP) for the whole festival. It's kind of a disk hog because all
the video is frame by frame in JPEG2000. The upside is that it's a
standard that already exists for playout in theaters driven by xml.

One hour of 1080p video will have a max file size of about 113 GB.
A weeks worth of video (if you didn't repeat anything) would be
about 20 TB. A month is about 90 TB. A 12 drive RAID6 array for a
month's content would be about $3,300 for the disks and another
~$500 for a used SAN box?

In DCP every video is a file that has a several constituent files
that contain the video and audio and all the metadata.  In a
theater, these DCP directories are strung together on an xml "play
list" that also does things like open and close curtains and
change the house light settings.

I personally do mostly 60 min. shows on Rivendell and it seems
like it takes forever to ingest a show (~1/4 real time). I suspect
that most of that has to do with the amount of CPU time it takes
to normalize 60 minutes of audio, but a normalization certainly
happens a lot faster in Audacity. It might be that the bottleneck
is reading and writing to the NAS that has /var/snd on it over a
1Gbe network. Who knows... When I'm building DCP sets it takes
about 3/4 real time to process a video with a 64 core (4 - 8 core
Xeon processors, 2 Hyperthreads per core) and an 8 drive RAID 0
SSD array and 128 GB memory. An entirely different scale of thing.
The idea of ingesting videos makes me shudder a little. :)

- Bill

On 9/5/20 6:13 AM, drew Roberts wrote:

Bill, (Jay)

https://github.com/zotz/drradioutils/tree/master/rivvids

I suggest setting up a small test system to see how it all works
with video.

I am happy to answer questions and help get you going. (Perhaps
if someone takes me up on this, we can improve the documentation.)

For a video only system, all playable carts would be in
rdlibrary as macro cards with a special format.

rdlogmanager would be used in a fairly normal way to create
events, clocks, and the grid and to create the day's log.

rdairplay would be used to load the log and play it.

rdairplay and friends would instruct an outside video player to
play the correct videos at the correct times.

(Mike, perhaps you could help a bit if we made some improvements
when setting you up that did not make it into the docs / examples.)

all the best,

drew



On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 10:13 AM Bill Putney mailto:bi...@wwpc.com>> wrote:

Drew,

I sure would be interested in hearing more. What are your
adaptation's limitations? Things you think a "real" video
video automation system should do that your system doesn't
achieve? What is the hardware configuration?

Thanks,

Bill Putney
District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
Chief Engineer - KPTZ
El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant /

Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?

[drew Roberts]

Bill,

if you want to come to #rivendell in irc at freenode, look for zotz. If you
would like to voice chat in a google hangout or via phone, let me know and
we can work out details.

Do you know of a good dcp video (with audio) player for linux?

I did some dcp work years ago in making a commercial for the station to run
on local theatre screens, but I don't recall if I  had a player or not
available at the time. Can VLC do it yet, I just saw something saying it
could not yet do audio and video at the same time.

all the best,

drew

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 12:39 PM Bill Putney  wrote:

> Drew,
>
> Thanks, I'll take a look at it and see what I can make work.
>
> I've been doing content prep for the Port Townsend Film Festival and a
> couple years ago we converted to Digital Cinema Package (DCP) for the whole
> festival. It's kind of a disk hog because all the video is frame by frame
> in JPEG2000. The upside is that it's a standard that already exists for
> playout in theaters driven by xml.
>
> One hour of 1080p video will have a max file size of about 113 GB. A weeks
> worth of video (if you didn't repeat anything) would be about 20 TB. A
> month is about 90 TB. A 12 drive RAID6 array for a month's content would be
> about $3,300 for the disks and another ~$500 for a used SAN box?
>
> In DCP every video is a file that has a several constituent files that
> contain the video and audio and all the metadata.  In a theater, these DCP
> directories are strung together on an xml "play list" that also does things
> like open and close curtains and change the house light settings.
>
> I personally do mostly 60 min. shows on Rivendell and it seems like it
> takes forever to ingest a show (~1/4 real time). I suspect that most of
> that has to do with the amount of CPU time it takes to normalize 60 minutes
> of audio, but a normalization certainly happens a lot faster in Audacity.
> It might be that the bottleneck is reading and writing to the NAS that has
> /var/snd on it over a 1Gbe network. Who knows... When I'm building DCP sets
> it takes about 3/4 real time to process a video with a 64 core (4 - 8 core
> Xeon processors, 2 Hyperthreads per core) and an 8 drive RAID 0 SSD array
> and 128 GB memory. An entirely different scale of thing. The idea of
> ingesting videos makes me shudder a little. :)
>
> - Bill
> On 9/5/20 6:13 AM, drew Roberts wrote:
>
> Bill, (Jay)
>
> https://github.com/zotz/drradioutils/tree/master/rivvids
>
> I suggest setting up a small test system to see how it all works with
> video.
>
> I am happy to answer questions and help get you going. (Perhaps if someone
> takes me up on this, we can improve the documentation.)
>
> For a video only system, all playable carts would be in rdlibrary as macro
> cards with a special format.
>
> rdlogmanager would be used in a fairly normal way to create events,
> clocks, and the grid and to create the day's log.
>
> rdairplay would be used to load the log and play it.
>
> rdairplay and friends would instruct an outside video player to play the
> correct videos at the correct times.
>
> (Mike, perhaps you could help a bit if we made some improvements when
> setting you up that did not make it into the docs / examples.)
>
> all the best,
>
> drew
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 10:13 AM Bill Putney  wrote:
>
>> Drew,
>>
>> I sure would be interested in hearing more. What are your adaptation's
>> limitations? Things you think a "real" video video automation system should
>> do that your system doesn't achieve? What is the hardware configuration?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill Putney
>> District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
>> Chief Engineer - KPTZ
>> El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
>> Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection
>> Authorization
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:59 AM, drew Roberts  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Bill,
>>
>> if what I have is good enough to fit your needs, I have rivendell
>> "adapted" to do video and will be happy to help you get it set up and going.
>>
>> all the best,
>>
>> drew
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:44 AM Bill Putney  wrote:
>>
>>> Probably not, but is there something like Rivendell to automate play out
>>> of video content? The city has asked us about taking over the Cable Access
>>> channel. I know the automation  system they have now plays Sony video
>>> carts. It sounds like they don't have money to spend to update system and I
>>> don't want to takeover a mechanical nightmare. A nice big RAID array of
>>> videos would work nicely but it needs some scheduler, like Rivendell has.
>>>
>>> Bill Putney
>>> District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
>>> Chief Engineer - KPTZ
>>> El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
>>> Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection
>>> Authorization
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>>> Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
>>> 

Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?

[Bill Putney]

Drew,

Thanks, I'll take a look at it and see what I can make work.

I've been doing content prep for the Port Townsend Film Festival and a 
couple years ago we converted to Digital Cinema Package (DCP) for the 
whole festival. It's kind of a disk hog because all the video is frame 
by frame in JPEG2000. The upside is that it's a standard that already 
exists for playout in theaters driven by xml.


One hour of 1080p video will have a max file size of about 113 GB. A 
weeks worth of video (if you didn't repeat anything) would be about 20 
TB. A month is about 90 TB. A 12 drive RAID6 array for a month's content 
would be about $3,300 for the disks and another ~$500 for a used SAN box?


In DCP every video is a file that has a several constituent files that 
contain the video and audio and all the metadata.  In a theater, these 
DCP directories are strung together on an xml "play list" that also does 
things like open and close curtains and change the house light settings.


I personally do mostly 60 min. shows on Rivendell and it seems like it 
takes forever to ingest a show (~1/4 real time). I suspect that most of 
that has to do with the amount of CPU time it takes to normalize 60 
minutes of audio, but a normalization certainly happens a lot faster in 
Audacity. It might be that the bottleneck is reading and writing to the 
NAS that has /var/snd on it over a 1Gbe network. Who knows... When I'm 
building DCP sets it takes about 3/4 real time to process a video with a 
64 core (4 - 8 core Xeon processors, 2 Hyperthreads per core) and an 8 
drive RAID 0 SSD array and 128 GB memory. An entirely different scale of 
thing. The idea of ingesting videos makes me shudder a little. :)


- Bill

On 9/5/20 6:13 AM, drew Roberts wrote:

Bill, (Jay)

https://github.com/zotz/drradioutils/tree/master/rivvids

I suggest setting up a small test system to see how it all works with 
video.


I am happy to answer questions and help get you going. (Perhaps if 
someone takes me up on this, we can improve the documentation.)


For a video only system, all playable carts would be in rdlibrary as 
macro cards with a special format.


rdlogmanager would be used in a fairly normal way to create events, 
clocks, and the grid and to create the day's log.


rdairplay would be used to load the log and play it.

rdairplay and friends would instruct an outside video player to play 
the correct videos at the correct times.


(Mike, perhaps you could help a bit if we made some improvements when 
setting you up that did not make it into the docs / examples.)


all the best,

drew



On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 10:13 AM Bill Putney > wrote:


Drew,

I sure would be interested in hearing more. What are your
adaptation's limitations? Things you think a "real" video video
automation system should do that your system doesn't achieve? What
is the hardware configuration?

Thanks,

Bill Putney
District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
Chief Engineer - KPTZ
El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant /
Inspection Authorization


On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:59 AM, drew Roberts mailto:zotz...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Bill,

if what I have is good enough to fit your needs, I have rivendell
"adapted" to do video and will be happy to help you get it set up
and going.

all the best,

drew


On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:44 AM Bill Putney mailto:bi...@wwpc.com>> wrote:

Probably not, but is there something like Rivendell to
automate play out of video content? The city has asked us
about taking over the Cable Access channel. I know the
automation  system they have now plays Sony video carts. It
sounds like they don't have money to spend to update system
and I don't want to takeover a mechanical nightmare. A nice
big RAID array of videos would work nicely but it needs some
scheduler, like Rivendell has.

Bill Putney
District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
Chief Engineer - KPTZ
El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant /
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Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?

[drew Roberts]

Bill, (Jay)

https://github.com/zotz/drradioutils/tree/master/rivvids

I suggest setting up a small test system to see how it all works with video.

I am happy to answer questions and help get you going. (Perhaps if someone
takes me up on this, we can improve the documentation.)

For a video only system, all playable carts would be in rdlibrary as macro
cards with a special format.

rdlogmanager would be used in a fairly normal way to create events, clocks,
and the grid and to create the day's log.

rdairplay would be used to load the log and play it.

rdairplay and friends would instruct an outside video player to play the
correct videos at the correct times.

(Mike, perhaps you could help a bit if we made some improvements when
setting you up that did not make it into the docs / examples.)

all the best,

drew



On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 10:13 AM Bill Putney  wrote:

> Drew,
>
> I sure would be interested in hearing more. What are your adaptation's
> limitations? Things you think a "real" video video automation system should
> do that your system doesn't achieve? What is the hardware configuration?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Putney
> District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
> Chief Engineer - KPTZ
> El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
> Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection
> Authorization
>
> On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:59 AM, drew Roberts  wrote:
>
> 
> Bill,
>
> if what I have is good enough to fit your needs, I have rivendell
> "adapted" to do video and will be happy to help you get it set up and going.
>
> all the best,
>
> drew
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:44 AM Bill Putney  wrote:
>
>> Probably not, but is there something like Rivendell to automate play out
>> of video content? The city has asked us about taking over the Cable Access
>> channel. I know the automation  system they have now plays Sony video
>> carts. It sounds like they don't have money to spend to update system and I
>> don't want to takeover a mechanical nightmare. A nice big RAID array of
>> videos would work nicely but it needs some scheduler, like Rivendell has.
>>
>> Bill Putney
>> District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
>> Chief Engineer - KPTZ
>> El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
>> Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection
>> Authorization
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Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?

[Daniel Roviriego]

Hi,

If the project has plans for getting bigger, I'd recommend going for a
specific solution like https://nebulabroadcast.com/ (also a GPL project)

Cheers

Em sex., 4 de set. de 2020 às 09:54, drew Roberts 
escreveu:

> Bill,
>
> if what I have is good enough to fit your needs, I have rivendell
> "adapted" to do video and will be happy to help you get it set up and going.
>
> all the best,
>
> drew
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:44 AM Bill Putney  wrote:
>
>> Probably not, but is there something like Rivendell to automate play out
>> of video content? The city has asked us about taking over the Cable Access
>> channel. I know the automation  system they have now plays Sony video
>> carts. It sounds like they don't have money to spend to update system and I
>> don't want to takeover a mechanical nightmare. A nice big RAID array of
>> videos would work nicely but it needs some scheduler, like Rivendell has.
>>
>> Bill Putney
>> District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
>> Chief Engineer - KPTZ
>> El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
>> Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection
>> Authorization
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Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?

[Bill Putney]

Drew,

I sure would be interested in hearing more. What are your adaptation's 
limitations? Things you think a "real" video video automation system should do 
that your system doesn't achieve? What is the hardware configuration?

Thanks,

Bill Putney
District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
Chief Engineer - KPTZ
El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection 
Authorization

> On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:59 AM, drew Roberts  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> if what I have is good enough to fit your needs, I have rivendell "adapted" 
> to do video and will be happy to help you get it set up and going.
> 
> all the best,
> 
> drew
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:44 AM Bill Putney  wrote:
>> Probably not, but is there something like Rivendell to automate play out of 
>> video content? The city has asked us about taking over the Cable Access 
>> channel. I know the automation  system they have now plays Sony video carts. 
>> It sounds like they don't have money to spend to update system and I don't 
>> want to takeover a mechanical nightmare. A nice big RAID array of videos 
>> would work nicely but it needs some scheduler, like Rivendell has.
>> 
>> Bill Putney
>> District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
>> Chief Engineer - KPTZ
>> El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
>> Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection 
>> Authorization
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Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?

[Jay Schell]

I would love to know how to do this!

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone


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 on behalf of drew Roberts 

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 6:59:18 AM
To: Bill Putney 
Cc: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System 

Subject: Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?

Bill,

if what I have is good enough to fit your needs, I have rivendell "adapted" to 
do video and will be happy to help you get it set up and going.

all the best,

drew


On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:44 AM Bill Putney 
mailto:bi...@wwpc.com>> wrote:
Probably not, but is there something like Rivendell to automate play out of 
video content? The city has asked us about taking over the Cable Access 
channel. I know the automation  system they have now plays Sony video carts. It 
sounds like they don't have money to spend to update system and I don't want to 
takeover a mechanical nightmare. A nice big RAID array of videos would work 
nicely but it needs some scheduler, like Rivendell has.

Bill Putney
District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
Chief Engineer - KPTZ
El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
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Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?

[drew Roberts]

Bill,

if what I have is good enough to fit your needs, I have rivendell "adapted"
to do video and will be happy to help you get it set up and going.

all the best,

drew


On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:44 AM Bill Putney  wrote:

> Probably not, but is there something like Rivendell to automate play out
> of video content? The city has asked us about taking over the Cable Access
> channel. I know the automation  system they have now plays Sony video
> carts. It sounds like they don't have money to spend to update system and I
> don't want to takeover a mechanical nightmare. A nice big RAID array of
> videos would work nicely but it needs some scheduler, like Rivendell has.
>
> Bill Putney
> District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
> Chief Engineer - KPTZ
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Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?

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Subject: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?

Probably not, but is there something like Rivendell to automate play out of 
video content? The city has asked us about taking over the Cable Access 
channel. I know the automation  system they have now plays Sony video carts. It 
sounds like they don't have money to spend to update system and I don't want to 
takeover a mechanical nightmare. A nice big RAID array of videos would work 
nicely but it needs some scheduler, like Rivendell has.

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District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
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[RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?

[Bill Putney]

Probably not, but is there something like Rivendell to automate play out of 
video content? The city has asked us about taking over the Cable Access 
channel. I know the automation  system they have now plays Sony video carts. It 
sounds like they don't have money to spend to update system and I don't want to 
takeover a mechanical nightmare. A nice big RAID array of videos would work 
nicely but it needs some scheduler, like Rivendell has.

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District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
Chief Engineer - KPTZ
El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
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