Re: [RDD] Stereo phasing

2014-02-04 Thread drew Roberts
On Monday 03 February 2014 20:24:39 Cowboy wrote:
  5:1 movie mixes are nearly as bad, where the background
  overpowers dialog to the point it loses all intelligibility
  except when heard on a 5 channel stereo system.

Ran into this or something like it watching Gladiator in a theatre.

drew
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Re: [RDD] Stereo phasing

2014-02-03 Thread Cowboy
On Monday 03 February 2014 06:18:15 pm Rick wrote:
 Virtual idea sounds great with phase check being critical.

 Except that some phase deviation is intentional, caused by mic
 placement when the source is recorded, so that's not an
 entirely acceptable solution.

 Stereo is stereo, and any attempt to mix it down to a single channel
 must result in the loss of something.

 The question becomes, how much is tolerable ?

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Re: [RDD] Stereo phasing

2014-02-03 Thread Geoff Barkman
Hi There
We had a situation in our studio when we still broadcast on AM and
mono when we had an audio lead that program makers could plug their
Ipod or laptop in and play audio. it sounded ok in the studio speakers
but when broadcast on AM... it sounded hollow with the middle channel
missing.  After lots of checking... I found that the XLR plug on the
desk had been wired wrong by a previous employee (Hot and cold wires
swapped on one plug) ... turning the channel upside down... and
getting nullified when being broadcast. Sound improved when the fault
was discovered and fixed.

Many thanks
Geoff Barkman

On 2/4/14, Cowboy c...@cwf1.com wrote:
 On Monday 03 February 2014 06:18:15 pm Rick wrote:
 Virtual idea sounds great with phase check being critical.

  Except that some phase deviation is intentional, caused by mic
  placement when the source is recorded, so that's not an
  entirely acceptable solution.

  Stereo is stereo, and any attempt to mix it down to a single channel
  must result in the loss of something.

  The question becomes, how much is tolerable ?

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 Cowboy

 http://cowboy.cwf1.com

 It's not reality or how you perceive things that's important -- it's
 what you're taking for it...

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Re: [RDD] Stereo phasing

2014-02-03 Thread Cowboy
On Monday 03 February 2014 08:14:23 pm you wrote:
 After lots of checking... I found that the XLR plug on the
 desk had been wired wrong by a previous employee (Hot and cold wires
 swapped on one plug) ... turning the channel upside down... and
 getting nullified when being broadcast. Sound improved when the fault
 was discovered and fixed.

 IMHO, one of the biggest dis-services commercial mixing desk
 manufacturers did, was to eliminate the mono monitor switch.

 Every now and again, even on network TV, you'll run across
 a spot that has hollow music, video, and apparently no voice.
 Guess what !?

 5:1 movie mixes are nearly as bad, where the background
 overpowers dialog to the point it loses all intelligibility
 except when heard on a 5 channel stereo system.

-- 
Cowboy

http://cowboy.cwf1.com

It's not reality or how you perceive things that's important -- it's
what you're taking for it...

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