Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Morten Krarup Nielsen]

Thank you.

When I run free -m I get:
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem: 15930  15771158  0191  14927

So it still doesn't look good with the amount of free RAM.

If I run top again to see in MB what the processes are using:
 2498 root  20   0 2033m 3264 1996 S  0.0  0.0   0:01.47
console-kit-dae

 2217 mysql 20   0 1270m  47m 3544 S  0.0  0.3 149:09.77
mysqld

 2694 rd20   0  979m  22m  12m S  0.0  0.1   3:17.28
nautilus

 2696 rd20   0  682m 3404 2468 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.01
bonobo-activati

 2248 root  -9   0  630m 206m 128m S  8.6  1.3   2390:15 caed


Just a guess:
I don't know if this is normal to Rivendell or if I made a mistake, but
right now the MySQL database contains a log of everything I've played since
I started my station in 2013. Could I free up some resources by removing
some of that data?
(I only have seven logs, one for each day of the week, but Rivendell still
keeps a log of everything played)


2015-03-24 13:01 GMT+01:00 Wayne Merricks :

>  Hi,
>
> Just be aware that used RAM by programs and used RAM by caching are two
> separate things (programs take priority).  Unfortunately top includes this
> caching which makes it look like RAM is all gone when it isn't.
>
> For example if I run top right now I get this (converted to GB for sanity):
>
> KiB Mem:   8GB total,  6.9GB used,  1.1GB free,   0.7GB buffers
>
> But if I run free -m (to get the output in MB):
>
>  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
> Mem:  7878   6731   1146811663   1869
> -/+ buffers/cache:   4198   3679
>
>
> As you can see in buffers/cache I'm using over 4GB of RAM but if you look
> at the free bit I actually have over 3.5GB completely free to use by
> whatever program.
>
> I may be misremembering part of this but the important bit is free under
> cache.  Check out: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ for more info.
>
>
> Wayne Merricks
> The Voice Asia
>
> On 24/03/15 06:34, Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote:
>
>Ok, the "top scores" for using my 16GB RAM are:
>  caed 10%
>  rdairplay 4%
>  ripcd 3.7%
>  xorg 1.3%
>  mysql 1%
>
>  and the rest is below 1%
>
>  Is this unusual? Top says that most of my RAM is used, but I think
> there's a long way up to 100% when I look through the processes
>
>  Thank you again
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2015-03-23 16:52 GMT+01:00 Lorne Tyndale :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sounds like something might have a memory leak.  You might want to see
>> which task / process is using up memory on your system.
>>
>> The easiest way to see this in Top, if you hit M (that's a capital M)
>> it'll sort by memory usage.
>>
>> It might give you an indication if the difficulty is something related
>> to Rivendell or something else running on your system.
>>
>> Lorne Tyndale
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Cowboy, thank you for helping me out.
>> > CPU Core i5 2500K
>> > 16GB RAM
>> > Centos 6.4 (Final)
>> > Rivendell 2.10.3
>> > (I don't know bus speed and so on).
>> >
>> > I discovered something interesting. I rebooted the machine on Friday.
>> > Running 'top' then showed a lot of free RAM - sorry can't remember how
>> > much. I could voicetrack during a commercial-break with a lot of
>> soundfiles
>> > changing fast, without RDairplay crashing. But now on Monday 'top'
>> displays:
>> > Mem:  16312864k total, 16117792k used,   195072k free,   189816k buffers
>> > Swap:   204792k total,0k used,   204792k free, 15280924k cached
>> >
>> > And of course RDairplay crashed once this morning while voicetracking.
>> > So I guess my system is eating more and more RAM?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2015-03-20 19:11 GMT+01:00 Cowboy :
>> >
>> > > On Friday 20 March 2015 03:25:58 am Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote:
>> > > > It's Centos 6 on a homebuild system (quality Intel motherboard,
>> Kingston
>> > > > RAM and so on)
>> > > > Since it seems that no has experienced this, it could be that the
>> system
>> > > is
>> > > > "stressed" when I'm voicetracking in the log running in RDairplay.
>> > >
>> > >  Again, version ? Hardware ?
>> > >  Not who branded the RAM, but how much of it.
>> > >  What processor, how much ram, buss speed, relevant hardware
>> > >  information. Does it meet the published minimums, or exceeds
>> > >  those minimums by how much ?
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Cowboy
>> > >
>> > > http://cowboy.cwf1.com
>> > >
>> > > Brook's Law:
>> > > Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later
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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Wayne Merricks]

Hi,

Just be aware that used RAM by programs and used RAM by caching are two 
separate things (programs take priority).  Unfortunately top includes 
this caching which makes it look like RAM is all gone when it isn't.


For example if I run top right now I get this (converted to GB for sanity):

KiB Mem:   8GB total,  6.9GB used,  1.1GB free,   0.7GB buffers

But if I run free -m (to get the output in MB):

 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:  7878   6731   1146811663   1869
-/+ buffers/cache:   4198   3679


As you can see in buffers/cache I'm using over 4GB of RAM but if you 
look at the free bit I actually have over 3.5GB completely free to use 
by whatever program.


I may be misremembering part of this but the important bit is free under 
cache.  Check out: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ for more info.



Wayne Merricks
The Voice Asia

On 24/03/15 06:34, Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote:

Ok, the "top scores" for using my 16GB RAM are:
caed 10%
rdairplay 4%
ripcd 3.7%
xorg 1.3%
mysql 1%

and the rest is below 1%

Is this unusual? Top says that most of my RAM is used, but I think 
there's a long way up to 100% when I look through the processes


Thank you again






2015-03-23 16:52 GMT+01:00 Lorne Tyndale >:


Hi,

Sounds like something might have a memory leak.  You might want to see
which task / process is using up memory on your system.

The easiest way to see this in Top, if you hit M (that's a capital M)
it'll sort by memory usage.

It might give you an indication if the difficulty is something related
to Rivendell or something else running on your system.

Lorne Tyndale


>
> Cowboy, thank you for helping me out.
> CPU Core i5 2500K
> 16GB RAM
> Centos 6.4 (Final)
> Rivendell 2.10.3
> (I don't know bus speed and so on).
>
> I discovered something interesting. I rebooted the machine on
Friday.
> Running 'top' then showed a lot of free RAM - sorry can't
remember how
> much. I could voicetrack during a commercial-break with a lot of
soundfiles
> changing fast, without RDairplay crashing. But now on Monday
'top' displays:
> Mem:  16312864k total, 16117792k used,   195072k free,   189816k
buffers
> Swap:   204792k total,0k used,   204792k free, 15280924k
cached
>
> And of course RDairplay crashed once this morning while
voicetracking.
> So I guess my system is eating more and more RAM?
>
>
>
> 2015-03-20 19:11 GMT+01:00 Cowboy mailto:c...@cwf1.com>>:
>
> > On Friday 20 March 2015 03:25:58 am Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote:
> > > It's Centos 6 on a homebuild system (quality Intel
motherboard, Kingston
> > > RAM and so on)
> > > Since it seems that no has experienced this, it could be
that the system
> > is
> > > "stressed" when I'm voicetracking in the log running in
RDairplay.
> >
> >  Again, version ? Hardware ?
> >  Not who branded the RAM, but how much of it.
> >  What processor, how much ram, buss speed, relevant hardware
> >  information. Does it meet the published minimums, or exceeds
> >  those minimums by how much ?
> >
> > --
> > Cowboy
> >
> > http://cowboy.cwf1.com
> >
> > Brook's Law:
> > Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later
> > ___
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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Morten Krarup Nielsen]

Ok, the "top scores" for using my 16GB RAM are:
caed 10%
rdairplay 4%
ripcd 3.7%
xorg 1.3%
mysql 1%

and the rest is below 1%

Is this unusual? Top says that most of my RAM is used, but I think there's
a long way up to 100% when I look through the processes

Thank you again






2015-03-23 16:52 GMT+01:00 Lorne Tyndale :

> Hi,
>
> Sounds like something might have a memory leak.  You might want to see
> which task / process is using up memory on your system.
>
> The easiest way to see this in Top, if you hit M (that's a capital M)
> it'll sort by memory usage.
>
> It might give you an indication if the difficulty is something related
> to Rivendell or something else running on your system.
>
> Lorne Tyndale
>
>
> >
> > Cowboy, thank you for helping me out.
> > CPU Core i5 2500K
> > 16GB RAM
> > Centos 6.4 (Final)
> > Rivendell 2.10.3
> > (I don't know bus speed and so on).
> >
> > I discovered something interesting. I rebooted the machine on Friday.
> > Running 'top' then showed a lot of free RAM - sorry can't remember how
> > much. I could voicetrack during a commercial-break with a lot of
> soundfiles
> > changing fast, without RDairplay crashing. But now on Monday 'top'
> displays:
> > Mem:  16312864k total, 16117792k used,   195072k free,   189816k buffers
> > Swap:   204792k total,0k used,   204792k free, 15280924k cached
> >
> > And of course RDairplay crashed once this morning while voicetracking.
> > So I guess my system is eating more and more RAM?
> >
> >
> >
> > 2015-03-20 19:11 GMT+01:00 Cowboy :
> >
> > > On Friday 20 March 2015 03:25:58 am Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote:
> > > > It's Centos 6 on a homebuild system (quality Intel motherboard,
> Kingston
> > > > RAM and so on)
> > > > Since it seems that no has experienced this, it could be that the
> system
> > > is
> > > > "stressed" when I'm voicetracking in the log running in RDairplay.
> > >
> > >  Again, version ? Hardware ?
> > >  Not who branded the RAM, but how much of it.
> > >  What processor, how much ram, buss speed, relevant hardware
> > >  information. Does it meet the published minimums, or exceeds
> > >  those minimums by how much ?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cowboy
> > >
> > > http://cowboy.cwf1.com
> > >
> > > Brook's Law:
> > > Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later
> > > ___
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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Lorne Tyndale]

Hi,

Sounds like something might have a memory leak.  You might want to see
which task / process is using up memory on your system.

The easiest way to see this in Top, if you hit M (that's a capital M)
it'll sort by memory usage.

It might give you an indication if the difficulty is something related
to Rivendell or something else running on your system. 

Lorne Tyndale


> 
> Cowboy, thank you for helping me out.
> CPU Core i5 2500K
> 16GB RAM
> Centos 6.4 (Final)
> Rivendell 2.10.3
> (I don't know bus speed and so on).
> 
> I discovered something interesting. I rebooted the machine on Friday.
> Running 'top' then showed a lot of free RAM - sorry can't remember how
> much. I could voicetrack during a commercial-break with a lot of soundfiles
> changing fast, without RDairplay crashing. But now on Monday 'top' displays:
> Mem:  16312864k total, 16117792k used,   195072k free,   189816k buffers
> Swap:   204792k total,0k used,   204792k free, 15280924k cached
> 
> And of course RDairplay crashed once this morning while voicetracking.
> So I guess my system is eating more and more RAM?
> 
> 
> 
> 2015-03-20 19:11 GMT+01:00 Cowboy :
> 
> > On Friday 20 March 2015 03:25:58 am Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote:
> > > It's Centos 6 on a homebuild system (quality Intel motherboard, Kingston
> > > RAM and so on)
> > > Since it seems that no has experienced this, it could be that the system
> > is
> > > "stressed" when I'm voicetracking in the log running in RDairplay.
> >
> >  Again, version ? Hardware ?
> >  Not who branded the RAM, but how much of it.
> >  What processor, how much ram, buss speed, relevant hardware
> >  information. Does it meet the published minimums, or exceeds
> >  those minimums by how much ?
> >
> > --
> > Cowboy
> >
> > http://cowboy.cwf1.com
> >
> > Brook's Law:
> > Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later
> > ___
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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Morten Krarup Nielsen]

Cowboy, thank you for helping me out.
CPU Core i5 2500K
16GB RAM
Centos 6.4 (Final)
Rivendell 2.10.3
(I don't know bus speed and so on).

I discovered something interesting. I rebooted the machine on Friday.
Running 'top' then showed a lot of free RAM - sorry can't remember how
much. I could voicetrack during a commercial-break with a lot of soundfiles
changing fast, without RDairplay crashing. But now on Monday 'top' displays:
Mem:  16312864k total, 16117792k used,   195072k free,   189816k buffers
Swap:   204792k total,0k used,   204792k free, 15280924k cached

And of course RDairplay crashed once this morning while voicetracking.
So I guess my system is eating more and more RAM?



2015-03-20 19:11 GMT+01:00 Cowboy :

> On Friday 20 March 2015 03:25:58 am Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote:
> > It's Centos 6 on a homebuild system (quality Intel motherboard, Kingston
> > RAM and so on)
> > Since it seems that no has experienced this, it could be that the system
> is
> > "stressed" when I'm voicetracking in the log running in RDairplay.
>
>  Again, version ? Hardware ?
>  Not who branded the RAM, but how much of it.
>  What processor, how much ram, buss speed, relevant hardware
>  information. Does it meet the published minimums, or exceeds
>  those minimums by how much ?
>
> --
> Cowboy
>
> http://cowboy.cwf1.com
>
> Brook's Law:
> Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later
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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Rob Landry]

On Wed, 18 Mar 2015, Cowboy wrote:


Voice tracking is not to delay what should be live announcements
by a few minutes. That's just bad programming.


I don't necessarily agree. The ability to voice-track frees a jock from 
being moored fore and aft to a console for the duration of his or her 
shift. Do you need to produce a spot with a client, but your record's 
going to run out? Record a voice track, insert it at the appropriate 
place, and you've just bought yourself some time.


In my days at WCRB I saw jocks do this all the time. Management got a lot 
more work out of them. As strange as this may sound, voice-tracking 
actually saved some jobs, as without it, the station's bottom line would 
have been worse and it may have been sold several years earlier than it 
eventually was.



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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Cowboy]

On Friday 20 March 2015 03:25:58 am Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote:
> It's Centos 6 on a homebuild system (quality Intel motherboard, Kingston
> RAM and so on)
> Since it seems that no has experienced this, it could be that the system is
> "stressed" when I'm voicetracking in the log running in RDairplay.

 Again, version ? Hardware ?
 Not who branded the RAM, but how much of it.
 What processor, how much ram, buss speed, relevant hardware
 information. Does it meet the published minimums, or exceeds
 those minimums by how much ?

-- 
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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Morten Krarup Nielsen]

It's Centos 6 on a homebuild system (quality Intel motherboard, Kingston
RAM and so on)
Since it seems that no has experienced this, it could be that the system is
"stressed" when I'm voicetracking in the log running in RDairplay. So
Monday I will try a fresh restart of the system before voicetracking, and
see if it makes a difference

2015-03-18 22:21 GMT+01:00 Cowboy :

> On Wednesday 18 March 2015 05:08:16 pm Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote:
> > If I promise we're only voicetracking, when the talent can't be in studio
> > at the time of broadcast,
>
>  You don't have to justify.
>  I was merely answering a question.;)
>
> > maybe somebody will give me a hint of the
> > stability of RDairplay (when voicetracking in the log currently running)
>
>  Version, OS, hardware ??
>
>  I know of this being done, never without "problems" but those
>  problems had nothing to do with the system.
>  ( operator error, due the time constraint overwhelming the operator )
>
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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Cowboy]

On Wednesday 18 March 2015 05:08:16 pm Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote:
> If I promise we're only voicetracking, when the talent can't be in studio
> at the time of broadcast, 

 You don't have to justify.
 I was merely answering a question.;)

> maybe somebody will give me a hint of the 
> stability of RDairplay (when voicetracking in the log currently running)

 Version, OS, hardware ??

 I know of this being done, never without "problems" but those 
 problems had nothing to do with the system.
 ( operator error, due the time constraint overwhelming the operator )

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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Morten Krarup Nielsen]

If I promise we're only voicetracking, when the talent can't be in studio
at the time of broadcast, maybe somebody will give me a hint of the
stability of RDairplay (when voicetracking in the log currently running)

Thank you :-)

2015-03-18 21:26 GMT+01:00 Robert Jeffares :

>
>
> On 19/03/15 09:15, Cowboy wrote:
>
>  Voice tracking is not to delay what should be live announcements
>  by a few minutes. That's just bad programming.
>
>
>
>
> *Ave! *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Hear, hear! Malo! [Mahalo!] Good On Yer Mate! Robert Jeffares Big Valley
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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Robert Jeffares]

On 19/03/15 09:15, Cowboy wrote:

  Voice tracking is not to delay what should be live announcements
  by a few minutes. That's just bad programming.


*Ave!

**Hear, hear!

Malo! [Mahalo!]

Good On Yer Mate!

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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Cowboy]

On Wednesday 18 March 2015 03:42:45 pm Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote:
> Doing it live is not an option for all of our radiohosts, and then what
> would be the point of the voicetrack feature.

 The point of voice tracking is:

 When the announcer/talent can not be there at the microphone during
 the time that the show must air, for whatever reason, so that the
 announcer does not have to pre-record the entire show.
 Ergo, an announcer can record his six hour over-night shift in two
 hours in the afternoon, so that he can be doing the other show
 he has to do in the same time window that both must air.
 Or, that announcer can be doing an eight hour shift, six live and
 recording another six hour show to air next week when he is
 on vacation, rather than doing 12 hour days to pre-record next
 weeks six hour shows the week in advance.

 Voice tracking is not to delay what should be live announcements
 by a few minutes. That's just bad programming.

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Where seldom is heard
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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[Morten Krarup Nielsen]

Doing it live is not an option for all of our radiohosts, and then what
would be the point of the voicetrack feature.

Is no one else having this problem? Because if I'm the only one, then it
must be something related to my setup. (Custon Centos6 using the Paravell
repos)

2015-03-17 14:36 GMT+01:00 :

> Morten,
>
> I work for a radio group that is using a closed source automation system
> and our jocks were trying the same thing, but the log would just skip
> over the voicetrack and keep going.  I brought the problem up to the
> manager and he asked why the jock wasn't doing it live, instead of
> voicetracking, since it would air after the element that was playing on
> the air.
>
> I didn't think of that option.
>
> Todd
>
> Hi.
>
>
> I've discovered this problem as long as I've used Rivendell, so I guess
> it's not a bug, but a "feature" that should be changed?
>
>
> It happens when you're voicetracking in RDlogedit, in the log currently
> playing in RDairplay: If you hit save so the log is refreshing at the
> same time RDairplay skips to the next item, RDairplay sometimes crashes.
> It's very difficult for new presenters to remember, that you can't hit
> save when 5 seconds or less remains of the currently playing item.
>
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Re: [RDD] RDairplay crashes when you voicetrack

[techdan]

Morten,

I work for a radio group that is using a closed source automation system
and our jocks were trying the same thing, but the log would just skip
over the voicetrack and keep going.  I brought the problem up to the
manager and he asked why the jock wasn't doing it live, instead of
voicetracking, since it would air after the element that was playing on
the air.

I didn't think of that option.

Todd

Hi.


I've discovered this problem as long as I've used Rivendell, so I guess
it's not a bug, but a "feature" that should be changed?


It happens when you're voicetracking in RDlogedit, in the log currently
playing in RDairplay: If you hit save so the log is refreshing at the
same time RDairplay skips to the next item, RDairplay sometimes crashes.
It's very difficult for new presenters to remember, that you can't hit
save when 5 seconds or less remains of the currently playing item.
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