Re: question about the menus in rockbox

2008-06-10 Thread Linus Nielsen Feltzing

alex wallis wrote:
Hi list, I was just wondering why in rb under settings the menu playback 
has the word settings spoken after it?
as its in the settings menu, so surely its fairly obvious its settings, 
also, as far as i can tell none of the other menus have the name 
settings after them.


It looks like a mistake in this patch: 
http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9019, that renames Playback to 
Playback settings for some reason. We'll fix that shortly. Thanks for 
noticing.


Linus


Re: question about the menus in rockbox

2008-06-10 Thread pondlife
Hi,

I deliberately renamed Playback to Playback Settings as I thought that 
Playback appearing in the WPS context menu would be confusing - people 
might expect it to be a menu with Play/Pause/Skip etc. in.

I also didn't maintain the old name under Settings as I feel that the same 
menu should be named the same from everywhere it is accessed.

Also, there are plenty of repeat uses of Settings under the Settings menu 
(Sound Settings, General Settings, Theme Settings,...) so it wasn't a 
precedent.

To be honest, I'd prefer to extend this further - for example, I find it 
confusing that the Playlist Settings menu is currently named Playlists.

pondlife





Re: question about the menus in rockbox

2008-06-10 Thread alex wallis

Hi.
Ok i'm going to address your points one by one,
firstly
I deliberately renamed Playback to Playback Settings as I thought that
Playback appearing in the WPS context menu would be confusing - people
might expect it to be a menu with Play/Pause/Skip etc. in.

I don't understand why you think people would expect those functions to be 
in a menu? as all of these functions are available with single button 
presses from within the wps, and if they do expect them to be in a menu, 
well they haven't read the manual, also, just from a common sense point of 
view, it wouldn't be logical to have options such as skip or pause in a menu 
as they are very commonly used functions, so you'd just be making work for 
yourself if they were in a menu, I no your not thinking of putting them in a 
menu, but just the idea of those common functions being in a menu really 
doesn't make sense to me.


your next point
I also didn't maintain the old name under Settings as I feel that the same
menu should be named the same from everywhere it is accessed.

On this, I agree with you, but my question to you is, why have the word 
settings after any of the menus, once you have gone into the option called 
settings? i mean isn't it fairly safe to assume that anything under the menu 
item settings, is by definition a setting to control something? so why not 
just have options called general playback etc? speaking now as a blind user, 
having the word settings spoken after every menu would really get on my 
nerves, and if that was implemented, i'd be going through the english.lang 
file whenever it was updated and altering all the strings that control how 
things are spoken to remove the word settings from the menus, or creating a 
patch to do that for me.


Also, there are plenty of repeat uses of Settings under the Settings menu
(Sound Settings, General Settings, Theme Settings,...) so it wasn't a
precedent.

it wasn't a precedent for settings in general, but it was specifically a 
precedent for the general settings menu, no other menus under general 
settings use the word settings.


To be honest, I'd prefer to extend this further - for example, I find it
confusing that the Playlist Settings menu is currently named Playlists.

Why do you find this confusing? don't you normally just click on a playlist 
within the file browser? also to access it don't you have to go through the 
settings menu anyway?
sorry if that's a stupid question, I don't use playlists at all, and I very 
rarely use the wps menu.


Lastly, sorry for this message being weird, but unfortunately outlook 
express was being very weird, and not letting me reply directly to your 
message, so I had to start a new message, and then copy and paste bits of 
your previous message into it, with my responses below. 



Re: question about the menus in rockbox

2008-06-10 Thread pondlife
IMHO the problem is one of context.

If you go into Settings, then there is no need for the suffix ...Settings 
and it should be using Playback.

However in the WPS menu, there's a need to explain that this is a settings 
menu, so there it should be using Playback Settings.

Steve Bavin