Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?
Thanks for the update on the Pi. I have read that the Pi 4 is a significant improvement over the Pi3. Come across a few people running them headless as a qsynth sound module Will Godfrey’s implementation with Yoshimi looks interesting. I wish Yoshimi’s piano sounds weren’t so awful. I like Yoshimi except for the piano but I use piano a lot in my work and so it can’t be my only sound tool Dave On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 2:28 PM steve conrad wrote: > Btw, when I last tried RG on a Pi, there was a precompiled version in the > Raspbian repo. Good thing. Pis aren't real good at compiling stuff is a > hurry. > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:26 AM steve conrad > wrote: > >> I have used Rosegarden on a Pi3. It worked about as much as any desktop >> app can be said to work on one of those things. Didn't make it crash more >> than anything else. As near as I can make out, once a Pi runs out of RAM it >> just reboots and that happens pretty often using Raspbian. >> >> PIs are basically pretty useless though. The price point is a bit of a >> hoax. By the time you gear them up with a case, a screen and such they cost >> as much as a low end laptop while offering a fraction of the performance >> and stability. >> >> If you want something small and quiet for rosegarden etc, try looking >> into a micro PC like a Gigabyte brix. They've got a real computer inside. >> >> I've had a Pi for a couple years now and while I have found it >> technically capable of performing a variety of tasks, I have yet to find >> any application for which it is the right tool. So I don't use it for >> anything at all. A solution in search of a problem. >> >> And of course they're offensively black boxed as you would expect from >> the bastard child of a bunch of Broadcom engineers. Those things are not >> open source friendly in any way. >> >> Imho, Pis are a waste of time and money but Rosegarden doesn't present >> any special problems as far as they are concerned. >> >> I've heard some people like them more than I do. >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:28 PM David Tisdell >> wrote: >> >>> I am leaning toward giving it a shot after the first of the year, >>> especially after Will Godfrey's link to the "yoshimi pi" >>> If I do, I'll post about success of lack thereof. I am thinking that I >>> will most likely have to compile RG. There probably isn't a binary in the >>> PI repository. Not that it's hard, just haven't done it in quite a while. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:16 AM Ted Felix wrote: >>> On 12/8/20 7:43 PM, David Tisdell wrote: > Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest > Raspberry PI? I have not. However, it would be an interesting test case. On my laptop (an ancient 1st gen i3) I see about 1.7% CPU being used by RG if I launch JACK after RG is up. If I launch RG after JACK is up, I see about 15% CPU for RG plus about 4.3% CPU for JACK. So, if you don't use the audio subsystem (audio tracks) in RG, you can likely reduce the CPU usage considerably. That might make it a lot easier to use RG on a Pi. Let us know how it goes if you decide to try this route. We might need to add a "disable audio" to the preferences to allow for easier performance tuning. We also might need to do some further performance tuning in the code. I'm always up for that. Ted. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user >>> ___ >>> Rosegarden-user mailing list >>> Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to >>> unsubscribe >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user >>> >> ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?
Btw, when I last tried RG on a Pi, there was a precompiled version in the Raspbian repo. Good thing. Pis aren't real good at compiling stuff is a hurry. On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:26 AM steve conrad wrote: > I have used Rosegarden on a Pi3. It worked about as much as any desktop > app can be said to work on one of those things. Didn't make it crash more > than anything else. As near as I can make out, once a Pi runs out of RAM it > just reboots and that happens pretty often using Raspbian. > > PIs are basically pretty useless though. The price point is a bit of a > hoax. By the time you gear them up with a case, a screen and such they cost > as much as a low end laptop while offering a fraction of the performance > and stability. > > If you want something small and quiet for rosegarden etc, try looking into > a micro PC like a Gigabyte brix. They've got a real computer inside. > > I've had a Pi for a couple years now and while I have found it technically > capable of performing a variety of tasks, I have yet to find any > application for which it is the right tool. So I don't use it for anything > at all. A solution in search of a problem. > > And of course they're offensively black boxed as you would expect from the > bastard child of a bunch of Broadcom engineers. Those things are not open > source friendly in any way. > > Imho, Pis are a waste of time and money but Rosegarden doesn't present any > special problems as far as they are concerned. > > I've heard some people like them more than I do. > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:28 PM David Tisdell > wrote: > >> I am leaning toward giving it a shot after the first of the year, >> especially after Will Godfrey's link to the "yoshimi pi" >> If I do, I'll post about success of lack thereof. I am thinking that I >> will most likely have to compile RG. There probably isn't a binary in the >> PI repository. Not that it's hard, just haven't done it in quite a while. >> >> Dave >> >> Dave >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:16 AM Ted Felix wrote: >> >>> On 12/8/20 7:43 PM, David Tisdell wrote: >>> > Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest >>> > Raspberry PI? >>> >>>I have not. However, it would be an interesting test case. >>> >>>On my laptop (an ancient 1st gen i3) I see about 1.7% CPU being used >>> by RG if I launch JACK after RG is up. If I launch RG after JACK is up, >>> I see about 15% CPU for RG plus about 4.3% CPU for JACK. So, if you >>> don't use the audio subsystem (audio tracks) in RG, you can likely >>> reduce the CPU usage considerably. That might make it a lot easier to >>> use RG on a Pi. >>> >>>Let us know how it goes if you decide to try this route. We might >>> need to add a "disable audio" to the preferences to allow for easier >>> performance tuning. We also might need to do some further performance >>> tuning in the code. I'm always up for that. >>> >>> Ted. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Rosegarden-user mailing list >>> Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to >>> unsubscribe >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user >>> >> ___ >> Rosegarden-user mailing list >> Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user >> > ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?
I have used Rosegarden on a Pi3. It worked about as much as any desktop app can be said to work on one of those things. Didn't make it crash more than anything else. As near as I can make out, once a Pi runs out of RAM it just reboots and that happens pretty often using Raspbian. PIs are basically pretty useless though. The price point is a bit of a hoax. By the time you gear them up with a case, a screen and such they cost as much as a low end laptop while offering a fraction of the performance and stability. If you want something small and quiet for rosegarden etc, try looking into a micro PC like a Gigabyte brix. They've got a real computer inside. I've had a Pi for a couple years now and while I have found it technically capable of performing a variety of tasks, I have yet to find any application for which it is the right tool. So I don't use it for anything at all. A solution in search of a problem. And of course they're offensively black boxed as you would expect from the bastard child of a bunch of Broadcom engineers. Those things are not open source friendly in any way. Imho, Pis are a waste of time and money but Rosegarden doesn't present any special problems as far as they are concerned. I've heard some people like them more than I do. On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:28 PM David Tisdell wrote: > I am leaning toward giving it a shot after the first of the year, > especially after Will Godfrey's link to the "yoshimi pi" > If I do, I'll post about success of lack thereof. I am thinking that I > will most likely have to compile RG. There probably isn't a binary in the > PI repository. Not that it's hard, just haven't done it in quite a while. > > Dave > > Dave > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:16 AM Ted Felix wrote: > >> On 12/8/20 7:43 PM, David Tisdell wrote: >> > Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest >> > Raspberry PI? >> >>I have not. However, it would be an interesting test case. >> >>On my laptop (an ancient 1st gen i3) I see about 1.7% CPU being used >> by RG if I launch JACK after RG is up. If I launch RG after JACK is up, >> I see about 15% CPU for RG plus about 4.3% CPU for JACK. So, if you >> don't use the audio subsystem (audio tracks) in RG, you can likely >> reduce the CPU usage considerably. That might make it a lot easier to >> use RG on a Pi. >> >>Let us know how it goes if you decide to try this route. We might >> need to add a "disable audio" to the preferences to allow for easier >> performance tuning. We also might need to do some further performance >> tuning in the code. I'm always up for that. >> >> Ted. >> >> >> ___ >> Rosegarden-user mailing list >> Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user >> > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?
I am leaning toward giving it a shot after the first of the year, especially after Will Godfrey's link to the "yoshimi pi" If I do, I'll post about success of lack thereof. I am thinking that I will most likely have to compile RG. There probably isn't a binary in the PI repository. Not that it's hard, just haven't done it in quite a while. Dave Dave On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:16 AM Ted Felix wrote: > On 12/8/20 7:43 PM, David Tisdell wrote: > > Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest > > Raspberry PI? > >I have not. However, it would be an interesting test case. > >On my laptop (an ancient 1st gen i3) I see about 1.7% CPU being used > by RG if I launch JACK after RG is up. If I launch RG after JACK is up, > I see about 15% CPU for RG plus about 4.3% CPU for JACK. So, if you > don't use the audio subsystem (audio tracks) in RG, you can likely > reduce the CPU usage considerably. That might make it a lot easier to > use RG on a Pi. > >Let us know how it goes if you decide to try this route. We might > need to add a "disable audio" to the preferences to allow for easier > performance tuning. We also might need to do some further performance > tuning in the code. I'm always up for that. > > Ted. > > > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?
That is cool On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:23 AM Will Godfrey wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 19:43:55 -0500 > David Tisdell wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest > >Raspberry PI? I had read that earlier versions of the PI were not fast > >enough for audio/multimedia creation but that the PI 4 would be a giant > >leap forward in this area. Thinking about giving it a whirl but don't want > >to spend the money if it will simply be an exercise in > >frustration/futility. Thanks. > > > >Dave > > Not tried Rosegarden on it yet, but it does run a full-fat Yoshimi quite > happily. To the extent I've been able to attract some non-Linux users with > this: > > http://www.musically.me.uk/YoshimiPi/index.html > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > > > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?
On 12/8/20 7:43 PM, David Tisdell wrote: Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest Raspberry PI? I have not. However, it would be an interesting test case. On my laptop (an ancient 1st gen i3) I see about 1.7% CPU being used by RG if I launch JACK after RG is up. If I launch RG after JACK is up, I see about 15% CPU for RG plus about 4.3% CPU for JACK. So, if you don't use the audio subsystem (audio tracks) in RG, you can likely reduce the CPU usage considerably. That might make it a lot easier to use RG on a Pi. Let us know how it goes if you decide to try this route. We might need to add a "disable audio" to the preferences to allow for easier performance tuning. We also might need to do some further performance tuning in the code. I'm always up for that. Ted. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 19:43:55 -0500 David Tisdell wrote: >Hi All, > >Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest >Raspberry PI? I had read that earlier versions of the PI were not fast >enough for audio/multimedia creation but that the PI 4 would be a giant >leap forward in this area. Thinking about giving it a whirl but don't want >to spend the money if it will simply be an exercise in >frustration/futility. Thanks. > >Dave Not tried Rosegarden on it yet, but it does run a full-fat Yoshimi quite happily. To the extent I've been able to attract some non-Linux users with this: http://www.musically.me.uk/YoshimiPi/index.html -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?
Hi All, Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest Raspberry PI? I had read that earlier versions of the PI were not fast enough for audio/multimedia creation but that the PI 4 would be a giant leap forward in this area. Thinking about giving it a whirl but don't want to spend the money if it will simply be an exercise in frustration/futility. Thanks. Dave ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
